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LiQuiD_FuSioN
Couldn't have some years become lost throughout time? e.g. one of the historians overslept a few days or went for a vacation. Unlike the registration dates you see on our UM accounts, there really is no accurate Earth reg. date. The whole Mayan-2012 thing is responsible for these thoughts!

What also bugs me is that theoretically, the earth has been in existence for billions of years as opposed to 2000 A.D. I guess religion plays a role too. Then again, who wants to add up and write down all those ones and zeros when filling out a paper? wink2.gif
Wolfcub
What a strange question. 2006 is just a human number for the year we live in (and not all of us use it), it has nothing to do with time itself. So we have lost nothing.
LiQuiD_FuSioN
QUOTE(Wolfcub @ Aug 21 2006, 07:10 AM) [snapback]1315841[/snapback]

What a strange question. 2006 is just a human number for the year we live in (and not all of us use it), it has nothing to do with time itself. So we have lost nothing.


So, you mean to tell me you've never had to use today's date? blink.gif Believe me, we use the day we live in for everything. It has very much to do with time itself too.. otherwise we'd just be holding candle sticks and living in huts! Communication and globalization has brought us new things. We learn from history by studying mistakes and improving our overall welfare.
LiQuiD_FuSioN
Just out of pure curiousity.. we know that the Mayan calendar will end in 2012. How would that date fall according to plan, accurately on our own modern-day calendars? It's a wish.. but, realistically, how would we know it really is 2006 anyway? From 1 to now. How is the process of setting down a date even made?
Poetic Reven
Complaining about numbers are we? Its 2006, get over it.
ai_guardian
To be technically correct, it is actually 2005 huh.gif

The Gregorian (current) and Julian (pre-dating the Gregorian) calendars are missing year 0. ie. the calendar goes 2 BC -> 1 BC -> 1 AD -> 2 AD etc. etc.
Year 0 is missing hence there is no date with 1/1/0 to 31/12/0 .
BTW, the calendar we use now was invented in 1582 (IIRC) and gradually adopted by countries with the last of them in 1926 so some caution had to be used in the past (and perhaps still) when talking about dates from countries that used different calendars.

But with respect to the Mayan calendar I don't think this omission makes any difference. The mayans worked on cycles of planets (and maybe stars not sure) which makes diddly squat difference whether we had year 0 or not. It'll still be the year 2012 when the Mayan calendar ends its main cycle 13.0.0.0 (or something like that) and starts a new main cycle.

Cheers
Foxe
QUOTE(ai_guardian @ Aug 21 2006, 08:36 AM) [snapback]1315854[/snapback]

To be technically correct, it is actually 2005 huh.gif

The Gregorian (current) and Julian (pre-dating the Gregorian) calendars are missing year 0. ie. the calendar goes 2 BC -> 1 BC -> 1 AD -> 2 AD etc. etc.
Year 0 is missing hence there is no date with 1/1/0 to 31/12/0 .



Of course there is no year 0! Anything with a value of 0 does not exist. You wouldn't look at a row of houses and say of the tenth one "That's actually number 9 because there's no number 0 in this street".

It's 2006.
Essan
Actually, it's 4704.

Or is it 1427?

Or 5,767?

Or maybe 5,108?

Fact is, many different cultures have different calendars to the one we commonly use (the Gregorian calendar) In fact, the vast majority of people on Earth follow calendars different to us - including the Chinese, Islamic, Jewish and Hindu calendars for which the years corresponding to 2006 are mentioned above.

So, it's rather arrogant of us to presume any significance in what number we give the year unsure.gif
ai_guardian
As I said and I repeat, Foxe, technically it is year 2005 - the 2006th year

The short and simple way to prove it is like this...
What is the 1st hour, 1st minute & 1st second on your watch? 00:00:00 AM - NOT 01:01:01 AM
00:00:01 is only evident AFTER the 1st second has passed.
What is the 1st year (not on your calendar because it is inconsistent yes.gif ) ? 0
Only AFTER the 1st year has passed is it year 1.
BTW, you can apply it to your house analogy also. Only after you have passed the first house do you have a house. If I give you half a house you DO NOT have a house.

The reason for this is quite simple and is as follows...
The Julian calendar (predecessor of the Gregorian) was invented during the Roman empire (IIRC) where there was no concept of 0. Notice how Roman numerals don't have a zero? There was no way to write the start of the calendar correctly. sad.gif The Gregorian calendar sadly just followed suit yes.gif

Both, date and time are temporal measurements BUT they are inconsistent in the logic that is applied. That is why your watch is correct and the calendar is not. Should it be changed? Of course not unless you want to create a lot of headaches. The reason I brought it up is because it is quite relevant to the OP even if it is just playful. thumbsup.gif

Technically the date and time where I sit is: 20/7/2005 11:56 PM grin2.gif

Cheers
ai_guardian
QUOTE(Essan)
Fact is, many different cultures have different calendars to the one we commonly use (the Gregorian calendar) In fact, the vast majority of people on Earth follow calendars different to us - including the Chinese, Islamic, Jewish and Hindu calendars for which the years corresponding to 2006 are mentioned above.
That is true Essan, there are many calendars but you will find that the Gregorian is the standard used pretty much all over the world even in the countries you mention. The countries you mention and any others that used to have different calendars as the norm now only use these culturally and for specific purposes, AFAIK. And I probably will stand corrected on that.

Can you imagine the problems in communication if they didn't officially use the Gregorian - tourists would be in a lot of strife and they are not because if you go to a Chinese airport to book a date & time of a flight (for example) you don't have to study a whole new calendar *sigh of relief*. Similarly, if one studied history (not specific cultural history of the country one is in) that information would pretty much be useless anywhere else (with a different calendar) in the world.

So, IMO, in relation to this thread, I think it is necessary to talk about the now standard Gregorian calendar otherwise, as you say, it can be a multitude of dates in multitude of forms. I could even make my own, couldn't I?

Cheers
Ichiban Avtar
from what i kow on this topic is, the Gregorian calendar is 5 years slow, meaning it like 2011.
this is because it goes off of the death of Yeshua ben Yoseph, which is 5 years earlier than what we know.

supposedly. blink.gif
odas
Essan, agree with you on this one.
The Gregorian calender is the standard but it does not mean that this the only correct one.
Standard is what it means - just standard of conviniance.
What year we realy have, to use the old frase, only God knows.
Foxe
I see your logic Guardian, but it really depends on how you look at it since the labelling of time is really an abstract (and can thus be looked at however you wish). On a digital watch 00.00.01 is a way of sybolising midnight (which passes the very instant it occurs) +1 second. If watches were made to the degree of showing absolutely continuous time there would be no discernable 0 figure (nor any other figure for that matter).

Years on the other hand are more easy to measure and label (though essentially the labelling of them remains just as arbitrary as the labelling of any other unit of time). The first year (starting whenever you want) therefore has the label "1", because it is the first of something. We are in the 2006th year, so it has the label 2006, despite, as you so correctly point out, only 2005 full years have passed since the beginning of the calendar.

The labelling of time is indeed inconsistent, but it is impossible to prove that one way is wrong and another is right.

I suspect this could go on for some time, so I'm just going to agree to differ from you in my arbitrary labelling of an abstract concept. grin2.gif
ai_guardian
thumbsup.gif Foxe

I'm glad you see the logical inconsistency and in the end that's all it is. One can argue these things from dawn to dusk and still not resolve anything - that wasn't my point as you have realised. In the end it makes diddly squat difference and will not make humanity plunge into new dark ages but it is rather eye openning.

I really don't wish this discussion to get any more drawn out for the reasons above and we can and do agree to disagree which convention is better. I for one however would hate to see ruler edges starting with 1. wink2.gif But it would make for some quite interesting mathematics.

Cheers & nice having a chat original.gif

Guardian
Otacon
We don't, but it's nice to think that it's 2006.
Jok3r
Why does it really matter. If it is a different number it won't change anything at all. Good question though.
Bosanchero
WHO CARES ! ! ! maybe we should restart the counter at 2012 original.gif
luminousphoenix
Yeah it doesn't really matter to me... 2006 it is! thumbsup.gif
angrycrustacean
QUOTE(LiQuiD_FuSioN @ Aug 21 2006, 01:22 AM) [snapback]1315846[/snapback]

Just out of pure curiousity.. we know that the Mayan calendar will end in 2012.


Sigh...am I going to have to explain this every day until December 2012?

The Mayan calendar does NOT end in 2012 any more than our Gregorian calendar ends on December 31st, 2006. It merely restarts, just like our calendar.

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How would that date fall according to plan, accurately on our own modern-day calendars? It's a wish.. but, realistically, how would we know it really is 2006 anyway? From 1 to now.


It doesn't matter. Time is measurable only by how we choose to divide it. Whether we calll it 2006 or 56001, it's still the present time no matter what. Dates and times are assigned only to help us plan and measure our lives by a common standard.

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How is the process of setting down a date even made?


Dates in the Gregorian calendar are calculated from various astronomical factors related to Earth's orbit, tilt, and spin. Other calendars are based on the lunar cycle, or a combination of all of the above. The starting date from which we count is dictated by culture. We count 2006 in the Gregorian calendar as being 2006 anno domini, or 2006 years after the alleged birthdate of Jesus Christ. More recently, A.D. has been named C.E., or Common Era.

Really, your question is as uneducated as it is irrelevant.
Cadetak
On a day to day basis it doesn't really matter if the calendar is accurate or not
all that matters is that the number of days and months are the same each year. It's just a tool we use so when we know when we need to do things.

Only scientists and historians would need to know a 100% accurate calendar.
Saint
Why does it matter what year it is?
Bone_Collector
As long as everybody refers to the same calendar, I don't really see what the problem is or where the confusion would stem from when we refer to a particular date?

Everything is relative, nothing can be treated as a universal standard. All the rules for everything around us are made and followed just for our own convenience, nothing else.
LiQuiD_FuSioN
QUOTE(Arbiter22 @ Aug 21 2006, 07:24 AM) [snapback]1315847[/snapback]

Complaining about numbers are we? Its 2006, get over it.


Wow, the maturity in your comment literally astounds me.. drool and all. Why not get over yourself and stay outta my topic? kthx. tongue.gif
Wookie McFly
This is a rediculous topic. As said many times in this post, it doesn't matter what the year is, just that we agree to run our lives based on it, which we do.

All it is is a method of dividing and containing time.

and liquid fusion, attacking arbiter for making a very valid point is... far more childish. I really don't think you thought this out too much before the OP... but that's just me.

--Marty
LiQuiD_FuSioN
QUOTE(angrycrustacean @ Aug 22 2006, 05:45 AM) [snapback]1317040[/snapback]

Sigh...am I going to have to explain this every day until December 2012?

The Mayan calendar does NOT end in 2012 any more than our Gregorian calendar ends on December 31st, 2006. It merely restarts, just like our calendar.
It doesn't matter. Time is measurable only by how we choose to divide it. Whether we calll it 2006 or 56001, it's still the present time no matter what. Dates and times are assigned only to help us plan and measure our lives by a common standard.
Dates in the Gregorian calendar are calculated from various astronomical factors related to Earth's orbit, tilt, and spin. Other calendars are based on the lunar cycle, or a combination of all of the above. The starting date from which we count is dictated by culture. We count 2006 in the Gregorian calendar as being 2006 anno domini, or 2006 years after the alleged birthdate of Jesus Christ. More recently, A.D. has been named C.E., or Common Era.

Really, your question is as uneducated as it is irrelevant.


Everything that has a beginning has an ending. Clearly your knowledge on the Mayan calendar is faulty at best. Quit feeding more useless facts with even more useless facts.

And I'm not talking about whether this is our present time or not.. I am coherent, but not as much as you are too. I understand we live by a date. Even our very posts are dated. However, the Gregorian calendar was recorded only 2000 years ago. If the Mayans were correct and they knew an anamoly would intefere with our orbit in the year 2012, we're pretty much screwed. You see, I'm only making a statement on the acurracy of our year not about conspiracy. Only what if. How would people keep track of every day anyway? Did they just write it off?

Thirdly, let me ask you something.. how is my topic any different than most on this forum? Ofcourse, not everyone is a professor or scientist.. instead of lambasting me for posting a question, why not migrate to a forum where there's less of people like me? Clearly, you are getting too damn personal. You are indeed a great waste of my time and energy. You're answers are no more relevant than the next. Get over yourself.
LiQuiD_FuSioN
QUOTE(Marty Floyd @ Aug 23 2006, 08:12 PM) [snapback]1319022[/snapback]

This is a rediculous topic. As said many times in this post, it doesn't matter what the year is, just that we agree to run our lives based on it, which we do.

All it is is a method of dividing and containing time.

and liquid fusion, attacking arbiter for making a very valid point is... far more childish. I really don't think you thought this out too much before the OP... but that's just me.

--Marty


It's funny.. I check up on UM atleast 4 times a week. I see many topics riddled with grammar mistakes and completely ridiculous topics as well. Ofcourse, the kids pretty much outnumber the adults. At times, you can never tell a difference. Case in point. I just cannot believe the negativity my thread has received. It's absolutely disappointing. What's wrong with you all? no.gif

Anyway, I've got better things to do.. thanks UM, I still have the front page! Trolls = none. thumbsup.gif
Wookie McFly
You are assuming that dates have special meanings... which they don't. Prime example: all the hysteria surrounding the mellenium. Nothing happened.

Dates are a manmade thing, thus they have no signifigance outside of our own emotions etc. You are making a severely flawed assumption here as well... How are you sure (if these dates are wrong as you postulate) that it is in fact 2012 when something bad happens? How would we know? For all you know, the 2012 calculation is tremendously wrong and may have already happened or may not happen for another 30 or 40 years.

The main problem here is that you are keeping some things constant and attack other things which feel can be movable. That's not how it works. If the system is flawed, then all predictions you like to cite are also flawed.

If nothing is flawed then you have wasted all of our time with this pointless and undereducated question. And the world will end in 2012. It doesn't matter one way or another. If it ends it ends, if not then yet another apocaplyptic date has been proven incorrect.

Whoopdy Doo.

BTW, he was right in saying it just starts over. That's what it does. That's what all measurements of time do. Every minute is a restart of counting to 60, just as hours, days and years do the same.

Think before you post.
angrycrustacean
QUOTE(LiQuiD_FuSioN @ Aug 23 2006, 02:13 PM) [snapback]1319026[/snapback]

Everything that has a beginning has an ending.


f course it does, but calendars generally do not have set end date. This is INCLUSIVE of the Mayan calendar.

QUOTE
Clearly your knowledge on the Mayan calendar is faulty at best. Quit feeding more useless facts with even more useless facts.


On the contrary, but I grow weary of writing new posts every time I have to explain the end of the fourth Long Count epoch to someone, so I'm just going to paste in a post I made in another thread.

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December 21st, 2012, marks the end of the 13th b'ak'tun in the Long Count (a b'ak'tun comprises 144,000 days, or ~395 years) of this epoch. This was considered important by the Maya, as a time of rebirth, since the Mayan glyph for "epoch" is more or less "13 b'ak'tuns"

The calendar which indicates the alleged "end of the world" is in fact the Long Count, which begins with the notation 13.0.0.0.0, where the first digit on the left indicates the b'ak'tun number, the next to the right represents the K'atun (20 K'atun to a b'ak'tun), the next is the Tun count (20 Tun to a K'atun), next is the Winal (18 Winal to a Tun), then the K'in (20 K'in to a Winal, where one k'in is one day). The b'ak'tuns progress 13, 1, 2, ... 12.

For example, today is 12.19.13.9.17 in the Long Count. As you can see, as we draw closer to Dec. 21st, 2012, the b'ak'tun will turn to 13 when the k'atun count reaches 20.

I hope that helped explain things a bit, and why it is viewed as the end of this epoch.

Bear in mind that the Mayans celebrated, and revered, many astrological occurances, not just the end of epochs. They would erect monuments or stelas to commemorate events even as small as the completion of a k'atun. The end of the epoch, and what was expected by the Maya to accompany it, is nothing more than the clash between very accurate mathematics and tribal traditions and religion.


The Mayan calendar is not ending now any more than it ended with the coming of the first through third epochs (sets of 13 b'ak'tuns).

QUOTE
If the Mayans were correct and they knew an anamoly would intefere with our orbit in the year 2012, we're pretty much screwed.


I'd agree, but what makes you think the end of the 12th b'ak'tun of the Third Epoch has anything to do with an orbital anomaly?

QUOTE
Thirdly, let me ask you something.. how is my topic any different than most on this forum?


Unlike most topics in this forum, yours does not clearly provoke any specific set of thoughts. Clearly most, if not all, of the people replying to this thread have no idea what you're asking at all. The question of how accurate the date is has no bearing on anything, so there is very little to discuss.

QUOTE
Ofcourse, not everyone is a professor or scientist..


Nor am I.

QUOTE
instead of lambasting me for posting a question, why not migrate to a forum where there's less of people like me?


Because I ask stupid questions too.

QUOTE
Clearly, you are getting too damn personal. You are indeed a great waste of my time and energy. You're answers are no more relevant than the next.


Uh huh.

QUOTE
Get over yourself.


Ouch, a little personal, don't you think? wink2.gif
ivytheplant
Time really is relative. It does not reflect the actual time so much as it reflects what we think what time it is at the moment. It's 2006 because it's a Western standard that it's 2006 at this time. Whether or not it's really 2005 doesn't matter because it's been agreed that the standard is 2006. In three hundredish years, it will be Stardate 40759.5 instead of October 5, 2363. We could never be completely accurate on what the date is anyway. Should we start at the age of the universe? Then it's around year 15,700,000,000. Give or take a million years. How about the age of the earth? Then it's 4,550,000,000 give or take a few hundred thousand. How about the age of life on earth? Then we can narrow it down a little more to 3,900,000,000. From there we can keep going to eukaryotes, chordates, mammals, primates, genus homo etc.

Currently, we aren't even so much going by human history for time either. There are many groups who think the earth is 6,000 years old so all the civilizations that existed before then don't exist. Every civilization has its own classification system. It's hardly absolute. Time is completely a reflection of the attitudes of the time and in a few hundred years (or sooner or later) we could have a whole new system.

So yes and no. It is really 2006 and it isn't. Personally, I like to think it's the year 27 ADA (After Dark Ages).
AtlantisRises
I think that it should be the year 19 as a calender based on my birth makes perfect sense to me.

LiQuiD_FuSioN
QUOTE(angrycrustacean @ Aug 23 2006, 11:28 PM) [snapback]1319314[/snapback]

Ouch, a little personal, don't you think? wink2.gif


Wow, I was expecting a harsh response from you because of my harsh words. mellow.gif

In turn, I'd like to review what I said earlier.. I may have been pretty mean, but I felt trapped and attacked. I really hate to fight. If it's any relevance, I am already a part of a forum where I fight (mostly for fun), but I really come to these other forums to escape it.

I know my questions are stupid as well, but I never anticipated so many negative answers. I should have atleast expected it, but I know to be more cautious of what I post. With a little outside work on my part, hopefully something like this doesn't happen again.

Regarding my actual topic - I really don't know a lot about the Mayan calendar myself.. but if it does end at a certain date, it will forever be an enigma of ancient history until 2012 does pass. However, the world could end at any time, but we just have to make the most of life right now. original.gif
psyionic-potential
2006 years after the birth of christ.
Poetic Reven
QUOTE(LiQuiD_FuSioN @ Sep 1 2006, 12:46 AM) [snapback]1331119[/snapback]

Wow, I was expecting a harsh response from you because of my harsh words. mellow.gif

In turn, I'd like to review what I said earlier.. I may have been pretty mean, but I felt trapped and attacked. I really hate to fight. If it's any relevance, I am already a part of a forum where I fight (mostly for fun), but I really come to these other forums to escape it.

I know my questions are stupid as well, but I never anticipated so many negative answers. I should have atleast expected it, but I know to be more cautious of what I post. With a little outside work on my part, hopefully something like this doesn't happen again.

Regarding my actual topic - I really don't know a lot about the Mayan calendar myself.. but if it does end at a certain date, it will forever be an enigma of ancient history until 2012 does pass. However, the world could end at any time, but we just have to make the most of life right now. original.gif

I was being more sarcastic than confrontational. Maybe one of these " tongue.gif " woulda helped? I mean, what I was tryin to say, it is, by what the majority of people that use the Gregorian calander know is, it may be, in fact, the year 2006. Changing it probably wouldnt do much to anyone exept have all the records that were kept in history start off a year late. I like to believe it's 2006. Thats what the scientists that a lot of people trust say, so I'm going with it. But I wouldnt really change my lifestyle if it were 2005. Or 20XX. Its not like we would have to roll back or increase time somehow. It would be interesting if we hav been living a small fib all this time.

Oh and ac, I dunno if it was for my cause, and I don't exactly agree on some things you did as of late, but thanks anyways. yes.gif
ReviewDude
QUOTE(psyionic-potential @ Sep 2 2006, 07:26 AM) [snapback]1332637[/snapback]

2006 years after the birth of christ.


Actually, estimates have shown that we're off the exact date by around 10-30 years, which is pretty lousy accuracy, even for Augustinian monks. Yes, I almost wrote monkeys there - although I suppose if we had an infinite number of them... Anyway, I digress. If you say it's the extreme, then counting Christ's birth as 0 - we're in year 2036... blink.gif
OldTimeRadio
There is indeed one year missing from the First Century AD.

Thus when we say that the year 2000 was the first year of the 21st Century rather than the final year of the 20th Century we are indeed in error.

But we are only 1/20th of one percent in error!
MVxK
QUOTE(LiQuiD_FuSioN @ Aug 21 2006, 08:02 AM) [snapback]1315836[/snapback]

Couldn't have some years become lost throughout time? e.g. one of the historians overslept a few days or went for a vacation.


That has to be one of the stupidest things ever written down by a human being.
ReviewDude
QUOTE(MVxK @ Sep 4 2006, 10:23 AM) [snapback]1335133[/snapback]

That has to be one of the stupidest things ever written down by a human being.


Nice personal attack there thumbsup.gif


Anyway, it could actually have happened that some years had nothing documented from them, but it's almost impossible that it would have been skipped altogether (e.g. went from 7 AD to 12 AD because someone forgot the year).

EDIT: Close bracket.
Waspie_Dwarf
QUOTE(ReviewDude @ Sep 4 2006, 12:56 PM) [snapback]1335224[/snapback]

Nice personal attack there thumbsup.gif


I'm not sure that this constitutes a personal attack as it is a criticism of what was said rather than the individual.

As a general comment to all, please refrain from comments which could be seen as flamming.
ReviewDude
QUOTE(Waspie_Dwarf @ Sep 4 2006, 01:11 PM) [snapback]1335231[/snapback]

I'm not sure that this constitutes a personal attack as it is a criticism of what was said rather than the individual.

As a general comment to all, please refrain from comments which could be seen as flamming.


Hmm... I guess you have me on a technicality there tongue.gif Not sure I'd want to be told what I write is 'the stupidest thing written by a human', though. Regardless of the fact that's normally true.

Anyway, sorry for getting my facts wrong blush.gif
AtlantisRises
I don't understand what the problem is, the date is a man made thing it has no relation to reality.

Just because we say it is 2007 instead of 2006 isn't going to affect the movement of the earth around the sun which isi the real measurment of time.
odas
QUOTE(AtlantisRises @ Sep 4 2006, 07:45 PM) [snapback]1336161[/snapback]

I don't understand what the problem is, the date is a man made thing it has no relation to reality.

Just because we say it is 2007 instead of 2006 isn't going to affect the movement of the earth around the sun which isi the real measurment of time.



It is not the year 2006 or 2007 or 5070 or any other man made year.
We simply can not tell the exact time. So why bother.
If almost the whole world goes by 2006 for conviniance, so be it.
If we change it tomorrow for another year, fine with me.
The reson? Time has no significanse, no meaning other then conviniance and order.
ReviewDude
QUOTE(odas @ Sep 5 2006, 01:49 AM) [snapback]1336281[/snapback]

It is not the year 2006 or 2007 or 5070 or any other man made year.
We simply can not tell the exact time. So why bother.
If almost the whole world goes by 2006 for conviniance, so be it.
If we change it tomorrow for another year, fine with me.
The reson? Time has no significanse, no meaning other then conviniance and order.


True, true. It doesn't matter where we are, so long as we can define how long it will be until the sun etc, or how long ago the Renaissance was.

EDIT: Spelling.
N-droe
QUOTE(MVxK @ Sep 4 2006, 11:23 AM) [snapback]1335133[/snapback]

That has to be one of the stupidest things ever written down by a human being.


Why can't mistakes have been made in counting the years. I'm no expert on this subject, but didn't they measure a year by the movement of stars, the moon or the pasing of the seasons? Those were made by scientists and as far as I know scientist hardly ever agree with eachother.

These scientists may have come up with different measurements and someone had to be wrong then. Even now scientists make mistakes and come up with new results about 'known facts'.

So it is really irrelevant in relation to the year we live in now, but it is conceivable that there have been mistakes made in the counting of the years since the calender we use (or the one it is bassed on) started.

That's how I read the original question. Not asking if it is any problem that a mistake has been made, but if it is possible. In my opinion it is possible but one can have a discussion about it for ages (and perhaps forget to count the years in the process wink2.gif)
netza
The year 2006 is just...a number, a name. It help the christians to keep track on things. You know, not the whole world count this year as 2006. original.gif Its just a number... dont take it to seriously. wink2.gif If you had counted the earth after how ould it was it would hav been year billion something...original.gif
:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR:
QUOTE(netza @ Sep 26 2006, 04:58 PM) [snapback]1366309[/snapback]

The year 2006 is just...a number, a name. It help the christians to keep track on things. You know, not the whole world count this year as 2006. original.gif Its just a number... dont take it to seriously. wink2.gif If you had counted the earth after how ould it was it would hav been year billion something...original.gif


Agreed. The Gregorian calendar is just, simply put, a mesuring unit for time, just like a ruler is a mesuring unit for distance, or a number is a mesuring unit for registering an amount. Even if it's not year 2006, it makes no difference. We can't return to the past nor can we fast forward in the future. tongue.gif
OldTimeRadio
Daily newspapers go back more than 400 years, so there's no doubt concerning those centuries. It would be impossible for even a single year to get "lost" during that period.

But even before that there exist many DIARY entries.

The Catholic Church has kept records of Sunday masses for well over 1000 years.

European courts have recorded edicts and law enactments since the time of Charlemagne.

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicles preserved details of the years from circa 800 AD to 1100 AD.

The ancient Roman historians kept very good accounts of the passing of the years and the events which transpired in each.

And let's not forget tree rings which when very old trees have eventually been cut down have been keyed to many historical events - some of them from even before the time of Christ.
N-droe
Yep, sounds to me it's prety impossible to miscalculate and 'lose' a year. thumbsup.gif
Samael
2006 is merely the 'number of years since Christ was born.' Even though the most recent evidence shows that he was born 6 years before we think he was, if that makes sense. So in theory, you could be right, as the year is actually 2012... wacko.gif
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