Is Zion Conspirasy true?

Your not allowed to talk about that, thats off limits.Just kidding, sort off. And your langauge is so vague no one knows exactly what you mean by that. I realize English may not be your first langauge, but could you explain in more detail exactly what your talking about?

Says who?

I was just kidding. And making a sarcastic comment at the same time.I wasn't serious, there were subtle layers to my comment and a hint of satire.

I think Personally people have a right to talk about anything they want, I was making fun of people who think it's there job to silence anything they don't want people to talk about, thats where the satire came in.

Let me ask a stupid question:

When people say "Zionists", they are actually referring to Jews, right?

Wasn't Zion the name of the human city in the matrix?

ZIOOOON!!

It is the promised land.

my understanding so far is

some, the "racist" ones, do say Zionists = All Jews = All Evil blah blah

some, differentiate between the Race, the Ethnicity/Culture, the Religion, and "Special Interest Groups" of which "Zionists" would be a sect.

some say Zionists are the good guys, some say they're the bad guys.

personally I do think there is truth in the "zion" conspiracy but I don't have enough info to make wideranging judgements... my thought is any global government based on the laws of man will lead to misery and ruin.

Not necessarily. Most of the Bible Belt "Israel-can-do-no-wrong" Christian conservatives are Zionists too.

Actually, the Jewish Question really does appear to be off-limits here.

A day or two ago, I posted two articles dealing with Jewish conspiracies. Both were written by Jews. One was by Benjamin Freedman, the other, by Marcus Eli Ravage. Both posts have completely vanished without a trace.

I read and posted in both of your Jew-bashing threads that disappeared. I believe they reeked of cut-and-paste with little to no comment from the OP. I've seen a plethora of topics posted on UM just like this one where a poster wants to make a personal statement and wants to cloak it in the guise of news. Actually its just an opinion piece.

The fact that you insists on blaming the Jews for your personal misfortune scares me a bit. Perhaps you should join a site that promotes that sort of insolence. It doesn't seem to bode well here as other people have found.

The threads where people bash and place blame on broad, generalized swaths of culture and religion are reserved for those who hate Americans..Anti-Zionists need not apply!!

Just kidding; only a few threads are dedicated to that particular subject.

anything is okay here but leave this subject out ...
thatll only get you into arguements and maybe even banned!!
you only need to look at the answers so far to see that there is no conspiracy.
and only a racist bigoted, jew baiting nazi pedophile would ask such a question.
stick to ufos and the like much nicer

That's absolute rubbish. Let the facts be known, and let the chips fall where they may.

Since when is free speech OK unless it involves opinions on Zionism? Anyone who brings it up or has a negative opinion on Israel is instantly tarred with the label "Anit-Semitic" or is called a "racist".

But the mainstream media and some people on these boards rip into the Arabs/Muslims as "fantatical terrorists" or the like virtually 24/7, but that's apparently fine and dandy.

The whole modern Jewish conspiracy thing came about because of the wealth and power of the Rothchilds of England and the Guggenheims of the United States.
Read the hsitories of the families and you will see why some feared them.

the roths childs of england??
i think youll find that the name rothschild comes from the emblem that was above the familys door in the jewish area of frankfurt..a red shield
they are not english at all.
zionism is an extream that is always tolerated.
no other extremism can be its just too anti semetic

also ask yourself why there are crash courses offered on jewish history at the bottom of this page?
and who are they provided by and from what sources?

I see an ad for alien abductions...

Clearly the aliens are all behind this.

Can someone please explain something to me... It might be a bit off topic but for the sake of some knowledge, I dont think it could hurt too much.

Do all the Arab countries hate Israel?

Is Israel hated because they're seen to of "Stolen" the land that is rightfully Palastines?

Why do most muslims say that to clear evil of this world, would mean to kill every Jew?

And were the Palastinians kicked out of Israel? Forcefully? Or how did it all begin?

Grateful to anyone who can clear this up for me and I'm sure your efforts would be appreciated by others who wish to know the same! I know I could just google it but I dont want Sematic or Anti-sematic views.. just straight down the line!

Yes, the ones whose money defeated Napoleon at Waterloo.
Those.

People fear great wealth. Wealth is power.

I wouldn't read too much into those. Those ads are generated automatically by Google based on keywords in the posts.

Probably. They see what's happened to Iraq and what may be about to happen to Iran, and they're probably thinking, "we're next." There is a widespread (and not unfounded) perception in the Arab/Moslem world that Israel wants to conquer the Middle East and is getting the U.S. to do its dirty work (read The Israel Lobby). In the words of Malayasian ex-Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad: ". . . today the Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them."



To a large degree, yes.

From a letter to President Bush by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadi-Najad:



Download the whole letter from: http://www.americanfreepress.net/Ahmadinejad_Speech.pdf

From the November 2001 ADV broadcast "Advice For Patriots":





I've never heard a Moslem say that.



That's a complicated issue, and the answer you're likely to get depends on who you're talking to. You'll get very different responses to this question depending on whether you're talking to a Palestinian refugee or a Zionist Jew (and frankly, most Jews are Zionists, whether they advertise it or not, so the term "Zionist Jew" is a bit redundant; "Jew" would've sufficed, though some people have an irrational knee-jerk reaction to the term).

Here's an online book that will answer most of your questions:

The Founding Myths of Modern Israel

The author of this book, Roger Garaudy, was taken to court for one of its chapters (the one dealing with the Holocaust). He was fined and ordered to remove the offending chapter from subsequent editions. So much for freedom of speech in France.

For the Zionist side of the story, look no further than the Washington Post or the New York Times, or the "Jewish Interest" section of your local chain bookstore.

You had me going there.

only one son of the old man rothschild was sent to england they were in france too, that dont make them french does it?
they were not english
rothschild name comes from the german words rot schild thats red shield to you and me.
THEY ARE NOT ENGLISH!!!

"Of" means the ones who lived there.
Really, please read the history.
I am not going to spoon feed it to you bite by bite from Napoleon up through the second world war.

Germans.........

Thanks Gadfly really appreciate it!!!

whats the germans got to with this?
your saying the roths childs of england and bcos im not gonna get into one of these long.
i know more then u debates ...its yours yes the rothschilds are english ok
thanx for the history lesson.


there is more to learn!!!!

It's true the Rothschild name was taken from the emblem of their family business. The original Rothschild was born in Frankfurt, Germany in 1743, and his true, original name was Mayer Amschel Bauer.

But to say "the Rothschilds of England" does not mean they are English, which is what Bella-Angelique explained. It's meant to specifically indicate those from the Rothschild family who lived (and live) in England.

"The ______ (family) of _______ (country or region)" is a sort of snooty term used primarily to indicate royalty or affluent families in the so-called "upper crust" of society. We don't use the term today with the subservience that these pretentious fatcats once demanded of "their subjects", and revelled in as their "sovereign Lords".

IMO, the entire notion of "social status" and monarchy was and still is vile and immoral. That it still exists today is repulsive, and should have been done away with ages ago.

As for the Rothschilds, they are hardly a family that holds any loyalty to a nation(s) or others of Jewish heritage. They have happily funded both sides of every war around the world since they first took on the Rothschild name, and even before then were financiers of immoral intent.

ok thats all hunky dory, i agree.
i just dont want people waliking around with the idea that anti semitism
and the big zionists conspiracy started in my home land.
it didnt.
but this statement here...

its a dream, those people will never let go of those super sized lifestyles.
but its us all of us that keep them on top.
and questions raised about their status in life and how they plan to maintain it for the long term future is the reason we argue its not a conspiracy its a reality.
and a large part of that reality involves zionists jews.
and capitalists of all and every group.
i say all are open to scrutiny but some things wrong it seems ...EVERY time some one wants to address zionism they are a anti semite and then come all the other racists slurs and what not.
remember that the swiss banks held billions of dollars in jewish familys moneys.
the big jewish and zionists coorporates fought that battle and won billions of dollars in the end .
but how much of that went to the real familys?

and anyone who blindly defends them is the real anti semite.
thats my humble opinion.
and they claim to champion their own people.they do not so when we talk about zionism we are saying those jews which are zionists are evil people jews or not.

There is nothing evil about buying land.
That is rediculous. One person's money to make a purchase is as good as another's.

rothschild = rotes schild.. german

the thing with zionism is that being Jewish is like being christian. its a faith not a race. right?
so there being a homeland for the Jews is kind of odd when you think of it like that.

but im far from educated in the matter

Zionism History source

Zionism did not spring full blown from a void with the creation of the Zionist movement in 1897. Jews had maintained a connection with Palestine, both actual and spiritual, even after the Bar Kochba revolt in 135, when large numbers of Jews were exiled from Roman Palestine, the remains of their ancient national home. The Jewish community in Palestine revived and, under Muslim rule, is estimated to have numbered as many as 300,000 about 1000 AD, prior to the Crusades. The Crusaders killed most of the Jewish population of Palestine or forced them into exile, so that only about 1,000 families remained after the reconquest of Palestine by Saladin. The Jewish community in Palestine waxed and waned with the vicissitudes of conquest and economic hardship, and invitations by different Turkish rulers to displaced European Jews to settle in Tiberias and Hebron. At different times there were sizeable Jewish communities in Tiberias, Safed, Hebron and Jerusalem, and numbers of Jews living in Nablus and Gaza. A few original Jews remained in the town of Peki'in, families that had lived there continuously since ancient times.

In the Diaspora, religion became the medium for preserving Jewish culture and Jewish ties to their ancient land. Jews prayed several times a day for the rebuilding of the temple, celebrated agricultural feasts and called for rain according to the seasons of ancient Israel, even in the farthest reaches of Russia. The ritual plants of Sukkoth were imported from the Holy Land at great expense.

From time to time, small numbers of Jews came to settle in Palestine in answer to rabbinical or Messianic calls, or fleeing persecution in Europe. Beginning about 1700, groups of followers led by rabbis reached Palestine from Europe and the Ottoman empire with various programs. For example, Rabbi Yehuda Hehasid and his followers settled in Jerusalem about 1700, but the rabbi died suddenly, and eventually, an Arab mob, angered over unpaid debts, destroyed the synagogue the group had built and banned all European (Ashkenazy) Jews from Jerusalem. Rabbis Luzatto and Ben-Attar led a relatively large immigration about 1740. Other groups and individuals came from Lithuania and Turkey and different countries in Eastern Europe.

whats the point here?
this is that history lesson youve been dying to tell me about.
but its got zero to do with the original point.
11 /10 for the in depth study of the movements of the tribes of judah.
im talking, as is the originator of this thread of ZIONISM!!!
not just any people of jewish stock or belief..zionism is the question...
and is there a zionist conspiracy? thats the question.