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user posted image rSubmitted by Kratos: Skeletons found at an unearthed site in Mexico show Aztecs captured, ritually sacrificed and partially ate several hundred people traveling with invading Spanish forces in 1520. Skulls and bones from the Tecuaque archaeological site near Mexico City show about 550 victims had their hearts ripped out by Aztec priests in ritual offerings, and were dismembered or had their bones boiled or scraped clean, experts say.The findings support accounts of Aztecs capturing and killing a caravan of Spanish conquistadors and local men, women and children traveling with them in revenge for the murder of Cacamatzin, king of the Aztec empire's No. 2 city of Texcoco.Experts say the discovery proves some Aztecs did resist the conquistadors, led by explorer Hernan Cortes, before the Spaniards attacked the Aztec capital, Tenochtitlan, now Mexico City.History books say many indigenous Mexicans welcomed the white-skinned horsemen in the belief they were returning gods but turned against the Spaniards once they tried to take over the Aztec seat of power in a conflict that ended in 1521.

"This is the first place that has so much evidence there was resistance to the conquest," said archaeologist Enrique Martinez, director of the dig at Calpulalpan in Tlaxcala state, near Texcoco."It shows it wasn't all submission. There was a fight."The caravan was apparently captured because it was made up mostly of the mulatto, mestizo, Maya Indian and Caribbean men and women given to the Spanish as carriers and cooks when they landed in Mexico in 1519, and so was moving slowly.The prisoners were kept in cages for months while Aztec priests selected a few each day at dawn, held them down on a sacrificial slab, cut out their hearts and offered them up to various Aztec gods.Some may have been given hallucinogenic mushrooms or pulque -- an alcoholic milky drink made from fermented cactus juice -- to numb them to what was about to happen.

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__Kratos__
That'd be one hell of a way to go out to. wacko.gif

Though, it is great to see a piece of the puzzle put into place that there was a fight back. I always heard that the white men were accepted as Gods because of their horses, skin and beards. Guess this is proven false now.
Jok3r
Really different from what the History teachers tell you today. Either that or they aren't aware about it either.
Bigfoot_Is_Real
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Aug 24 2006, 02:42 PM) [snapback]1320455[/snapback]

That'd be one hell of a way to go out to. wacko.gif

Though, it is great to see a piece of the puzzle put into place that there was a fight back. I always heard that the white men were accepted as Gods because of their horses, skin and beards. Guess this is proven false now.


It all depends on dating actually if they were killed at about the same time as the Spanish arrived then yes we have to change something but if its after Montezumas assaination then no we won't change anything
pbarosso
this means nothing. except taht the aztecs were savages, and the spaniards probably thought it their duty to destroy them.

i think they did the right thing.
:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR:
QUOTE(pbarosso @ Aug 25 2006, 06:14 AM) [snapback]1321232[/snapback]

this means nothing. except taht the aztecs were savages, and the spaniards probably thought it their duty to destroy them.

i think they did the right thing.


If you had outsiders attacking your town, hurting your friends and family, you'd defend yourself by all means necessary. In your mindframe, doing so would constitute you as a savage too. Just because the Aztecs defended themselves in a traditional sense, it doesn't make them savages. Keep in mind superstitions played a big role in every civilization throughout history. The Aztecs were a society or architect, astronomy, math, and culture.

Your very sentence is blasphemy. I respect the right of opinion, but please, keep your racist remarks to yourself. They had the right to live their lives in their own way too. Every race and culture, were at one point in time, "savages". angry.gif
starlitkate
Ugh, I know I wouldn't want to be numb while my skin was being literally ripped from my bones and my bones scraped or my heart ripped out. sad.gif
crawler2000
aztecs dident survive too long thats why theres not alot of information on them.its possible that these aztecs were head hunters or cannibals.its difficult to say because of lack of information.the boiled bones could be that they cooked or just tortured the intruders to death.
Felly
i bet it wouldn't take too long before the aztecs got sick of being killed and enslaved by their returning white skinned gods and said *f- this, i wonder how they taste!
__Kratos__
QUOTE(:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR: @ Aug 25 2006, 07:06 AM) [snapback]1321305[/snapback]

If you had outsiders attacking your town, hurting your friends and family, you'd defend yourself by all means necessary. In your mindframe, doing so would constitute you as a savage too. Just because the Aztecs defended themselves in a traditional sense, it doesn't make them savages. Keep in mind superstitions played a big role in every civilization throughout history. The Aztecs were a society or architect, astronomy, math, and culture.

Your very sentence is blasphemy. I respect the right of opinion, but please, keep your racist remarks to yourself. They had the right to live their lives in their own way too. Every race and culture, were at one point in time, "savages". angry.gif


I wonder how much of a threat dead or captured soldier is that they had to eat them. wink2.gif

You really ought to calm down and see he's against the acts of these people. I mean, it isn't normal nor is it pretty.

QUOTE(crawler2000 @ Aug 25 2006, 11:17 AM) [snapback]1321642[/snapback]

aztecs dident survive too long thats why theres not alot of information on them.its possible that these aztecs were head hunters or cannibals.its difficult to say because of lack of information.the boiled bones could be that they cooked or just tortured the intruders to death.


If you read the rest of the article:

Knife cuts and even teeth marks on the bones show which ones had meat stripped off to be eaten, Martinez said.

QUOTE(starlitkate @ Aug 25 2006, 11:14 AM) [snapback]1321638[/snapback]

Ugh, I know I wouldn't want to be numb while my skin was being literally ripped from my bones and my bones scraped or my heart ripped out. sad.gif


Umm... Why wouldn't you want to be numb? blink.gif Wouldn't that be a good thing?
:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR:
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Aug 25 2006, 02:49 PM) [snapback]1321761[/snapback]

I wonder how much of a threat dead or captured soldier is that they had to eat them. wink2.gif

You really ought to calm down and see he's against the acts of these people. I mean, it isn't normal nor is it pretty.


Haha, the threat I was refering to was from the initial attacks. Of course prisoners of war captured aren't much of a nuissance. tongue.gif

And I am not really pissed as the angry smilie suggests, but a bit offended by his last comment. Maybe you interpreted his comment differently. I read it in comparison as if someone would say the white men took black men in slavery, and then stating the white men did a good thing. How I see it, it's blasphemy.

I know what the Aztecs performed was gruesome and inhumane, but it was their way after all. It was for the Spaniards to leave them alone! wink2.gif I mean, even today, certain tribes are so primitive, it's best not to interfere. Take a simple photo of a member and you'll get speared to death for stealing his or her soul! laugh.gif

blu_shark_29
Well......waste not, want not.... ohmy.gif did i type that outloud?

QUOTE(:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR: @ Aug 25 2006, 02:33 PM) [snapback]1321912[/snapback]

Haha, the threat I was refering to was from the initial attacks. Of course prisoners of war captured aren't much of a nuissance. tongue.gif

I know what the Aztecs performed was gruesome and inhumane, but it was their way after all. It was for the Spaniards to leave them alone! wink2.gif I mean, even today, certain tribes are so primitive, it's best not to interfere. Take a simple photo of a member and you'll get speared to death for stealing his or her soul! laugh.gif



Ok...let's think about this. The initial threat of the Spanish attacking? and then, the Aztecs retaliated? but even though they were boiling the Spaniards and eating them, it was up to the Spanish, to leave them alone? WTH...it sounds provoked to me. I'd slaughter people who ate my people, too.
pbarosso
QUOTE(:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR: @ Aug 25 2006, 08:33 PM) [snapback]1321912[/snapback]

Haha, the threat I was refering to was from the initial attacks. Of course prisoners of war captured aren't much of a nuissance. tongue.gif

And I am not really pissed as the angry smilie suggests, but a bit offended by his last comment. Maybe you interpreted his comment differently. I read it in comparison as if someone would say the white men took black men in slavery, and then stating the white men did a good thing. How I see it, it's blasphemy.

I know what the Aztecs performed was gruesome and inhumane, but it was their way after all. It was for the Spaniards to leave them alone! wink2.gif I mean, even today, certain tribes are so primitive, it's best not to interfere. Take a simple photo of a member and you'll get speared to death for stealing his or her soul! laugh.gif



its ok little boy, maybe you dont understand the nature of things. might make sright or havent you learned? men with power dominate others. thats nature. depends on how those dominated were treated. if those that are to be dominated are behaving in crazy inhumane ways the best way to deal with them is inhumane.

this is the way of the world get used to it. i think a better way to do things would be to have used diplomacy and lived and worked together, but its kinda hard when you would be seeing them killing and sacrificing captives and then eating them.

imagine being invited to a feast at a social function where they behave like this. it is not right, and i believe the spaniards did the right thing, its awfull hard to reeducate neolithic people all at once.

woody82
QUOTE(:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR: @ Aug 25 2006, 08:33 PM) [snapback]1321912[/snapback]

Haha, the threat I was refering to was from the initial attacks. Of course prisoners of war captured aren't much of a nuissance. tongue.gif

And I am not really pissed as the angry smilie suggests, but a bit offended by his last comment. Maybe you interpreted his comment differently. I read it in comparison as if someone would say the white men took black men in slavery, and then stating the white men did a good thing. How I see it, it's blasphemy.

I know what the Aztecs performed was gruesome and inhumane, but it was their way after all. It was for the Spaniards to leave them alone! wink2.gif I mean, even today, certain tribes are so primitive, it's best not to interfere. Take a simple photo of a member and you'll get speared to death for stealing his or her soul! laugh.gif


Got to admit i agree with the best leave them alone thign they were a race that were generally primitive but hell what they build in them pyramids or what 'others' built was simplet amazing at that time people where couldn't imagine of building out liek that even these days we'd struggle.

Bu still i agree with the point they were defending there homeland, if people invade it's human nature to defend go back to primitive days or even in the jungle if another animal comes into anothers hunting ground, steps on it's terorritree(or however you spell it grin2.gif lol ) they fight and the last one standing runs that ground, or the one invading retrearts or the defender dies and goes into nothingness liek the Aztecs.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR: @ Aug 25 2006, 07:06 AM) [snapback]1321305[/snapback]

If you had outsiders attacking your town, hurting your friends and family, you'd defend yourself by all means necessary. In your mindframe, doing so would constitute you as a savage too. Just because the Aztecs defended themselves in a traditional sense, it doesn't make them savages. Keep in mind superstitions played a big role in every civilization throughout history. The Aztecs were a society or architect, astronomy, math, and culture.

Your very sentence is blasphemy. I respect the right of opinion, but please, keep your racist remarks to yourself. They had the right to live their lives in their own way too. Every race and culture, were at one point in time, "savages". angry.gif

If they ate people then they were savages. It is quite a good term for them. Nothing to do with race. Pitiful. People have to always throw the race card.
SnakeProphet
Too bad they retaliated too late. The spanish didn't sustain as many casualties as they should have.


I wonder how spaniards taste like.
leadbelly
Cortez had begun studies to be a lawyer, then dropped out and tried to rob the central bank of another country. Nahh!
Bone_Collector
huh.gif I thought this was already known. I remember seeing a documentary on discovery long time ago which said that the Aztecs regularly made ritual human sacrifices and ate invaders.
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Snake_6024 @ Aug 26 2006, 11:17 PM) [snapback]1323592[/snapback]

Too bad they retaliated too late. The spanish didn't sustain as many casualties as they should have.
I wonder how spaniards taste like.


I bet they were good if they kept getting eaten. tongue.gif

QUOTE(Bone_Collector @ Aug 29 2006, 07:16 AM) [snapback]1326363[/snapback]

huh.gif I thought this was already known. I remember seeing a documentary on discovery long time ago which said that the Aztecs regularly made ritual human sacrifices and ate invaders.


I think most people just heard about the human sacrifices. Before I read this article I didn't know invaders were eaten. ph34r.gif


Poetic Reven
Psssst. Boiled bones doesn't mean anybody was eaten. Maybe a form of tourture/killing. Maybe they were cooked for the gods then just left there for the birds to pick away at. If they did eat invaders, my father would have told me about it.
AtlantisRises
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Aug 26 2006, 03:19 AM) [snapback]1321761[/snapback]

I wonder how much of a threat dead or captured soldier is that they had to eat them. wink2.gif

You really ought to calm down and see he's against the acts of these people. I mean, it isn't normal nor is it pretty.
If you read the rest of the article:




Whats "Normal". thats a completely subjective statement for what is normal to you may be completely againbst my nature,

QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Aug 27 2006, 03:41 AM) [snapback]1323007[/snapback]

If they ate people then they were savages. It is quite a good term for them. Nothing to do with race. Pitiful. People have to always throw the race card.



I always would love to know why cannabalism is so bad. I don't see it as any worse then tying people to stakes and burning them and that was done to alot more Aztecs then there were Spaniards eaten.

It seems to be a good and economic way of gettting rid of the dead as apposed to burying them while they rot for years, though i suppose they make pretty good Fertilizer
:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR:
QUOTE(blu_shark_29 @ Aug 25 2006, 07:28 PM) [snapback]1322166[/snapback]

Ok...let's think about this. The initial threat of the Spanish attacking? and then, the Aztecs retaliated? but even though they were boiling the Spaniards and eating them, it was up to the Spanish, to leave them alone? WTH...it sounds provoked to me. I'd slaughter people who ate my people, too.


Although I agree to why the Spaniards responded to the Aztecs' method, it's still the Spaniards who provoked the Aztecs in the first place. tongue.gif

QUOTE(pbarosso @ Aug 25 2006, 08:27 PM) [snapback]1322280[/snapback]

its ok little boy, maybe you dont understand the nature of things. might make sright or havent you learned? men with power dominate others. thats nature. depends on how those dominated were treated. if those that are to be dominated are behaving in crazy inhumane ways the best way to deal with them is inhumane.

this is the way of the world get used to it. i think a better way to do things would be to have used diplomacy and lived and worked together, but its kinda hard when you would be seeing them killing and sacrificing captives and then eating them.

imagine being invited to a feast at a social function where they behave like this. it is not right, and i believe the spaniards did the right thing, its awfull hard to reeducate neolithic people all at once.


Sticks and stones pbarosso. My opinions are just as valid as yours. I am fully aware of how men of power works. Just like George W. Bush at the moment. Different cultures have different rituals. Get used to that.

QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Aug 26 2006, 03:11 PM) [snapback]1323007[/snapback]

If they ate people then they were savages. It is quite a good term for them. Nothing to do with race. Pitiful. People have to always throw the race card.


Ok, I can admit I was a little harsh on the racist part. It's just how I interpreted the earlier comment. Eating people is indeed savage, but so was burning people to the stake, chinese torchure, and slavery to name a popular few. Cannibalism was just another form.

At any rate, I am only expressing my two cents. I know I've been off topic with the subject. I'll behave! thumbsup.gif
evancj
Lets not forget that the Spanish were just as savage if not more so. Although I do not condone cannibalism I don’t think it’s be all or end all of savagery. The Spanish were responsible for numerous atrocities against the peoples of the new world, ranging from slavery to genocide, all in the name of Christ, the Queen, and gold. Let’s face it the human race is not as humane as we would like to think we are, regardless of race or culture. If you ask me both sides used religion as a catalyst to carry out their savage acts against one another, if we look at the state of the world today we can see not much has changed. The old saying “the more things change the more they remain the same” definitely applies here.
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(pbarosso @ Aug 25 2006, 05:14 AM) [snapback]1321232[/snapback]

this means nothing. except taht the aztecs were savages, and the spaniards probably thought it their duty to destroy them.

i think they did the right thing.


The tribes that joined in with them to get free of the Aztecs thought they did a good thing also.
The Aztecs were the Nazis of the continent in their time.
Katkandoo_kw
QUOTE(MindFreak718 @ Aug 24 2006, 02:54 PM) [snapback]1320476[/snapback]

Really different from what the History teachers tell you today. Either that or they aren't aware about it either.

EXACTLY! I'm printing it out and showing it to my American History teacher on Monday, because that is exactly what we are learning about...I hope I get extra credit...I need it lol
Avinash_Tyagi
Yup they were savages just like these guys:

Deuteronomy 28:53-57 (also Lev 26:29)

Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you. Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. The most gentle and sensitive woman among you - so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot - will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For she intends to eat them secretly during the siege and in the distress that your enemy will inflict on you in your cities.


And these:

John 6:53-56

Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.


wink2.gif
Bella-Angelique
That is off topic.
It has nothing to do with the subject of the Aztecs.
Avinash_Tyagi
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Sep 9 2006, 01:58 AM) [snapback]1342673[/snapback]

That is off topic.
It has nothing to do with the subject of the Aztecs.



Just shows that the Abrahamics have the same things in their beleifs even if they like to pretend otherwise
AtlantisRises
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Sep 9 2006, 03:28 PM) [snapback]1342673[/snapback]

That is off topic.
It has nothing to do with the subject of the Aztecs.



No but it has much do do with the topic of Ritualised Cannabalism.
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