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Never_Hit_Nirvana
http://www.aliensandchildren.org/DrawingsofAliens.htm
Odd, but explainable without jumping to the "abducted!" conclusion.
artymoon
Wow mellow.gif they resemble the poster boy alien everyone knows and loves. rolleyes.gif ph34r.gif
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(artymoon @ Aug 28 2006, 11:02 AM) [snapback]1325186[/snapback]

Wow mellow.gif they resemble the poster boy alien everyone knows and loves. rolleyes.gif ph34r.gif

But it must be evidence of abduction!
artymoon
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Aug 28 2006, 12:10 PM) [snapback]1325201[/snapback]

But it must be evidence of abduction!

Yeah, its some type of abduction alright!
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(artymoon @ Aug 28 2006, 11:13 AM) [snapback]1325204[/snapback]

Yeah, its some type of abduction alright!

"No, Daddy, no!"
"It's not Daddy it is an alien!"

Pretty sad that abduction is used as a cover-up for darker problems.
FireMoon
Not going into details ,for obvious reasons.... but i have a close friend who went through the whole abduction experience as a child and who suffered some pretty awful abuse.... it happened to him long before the idea of *alien abductions* had hit the headlines...
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(FireMoon @ Aug 28 2006, 11:44 AM) [snapback]1325240[/snapback]

Not going into details ,for obvious reasons.... but i have a close friend who went through the whole abduction experience as a child and who suffered some pretty awful abuse.... it happened to him long before the idea of *alien abductions* had hit the headlines...

Yes, but does he have any evidence of abduction other than unreliable, by nature, memories? The human mind has odd ways of dealing with trauma. Perhaps, before jumping to the "It was aliens!!" conclusion, folks out to look to more mundane -- and horrific -- explanations for abuse.
FireMoon
No ,he is totally aware that he suffered terible physical abuse by a family member , and can detail it very specifically... but concurrent with that he was also suffering the classic symptoms of *abduction*... The *abduction* memories in no way *replaced* the memories of the abuse... They are both distinct and totally seperate experiences from what he remembers...

Im not offering it, and neither does he, as any way giving proof he was *abducted* just that it wasn't him constructing a *story* to negate what was happening to him in a very real way...
Chantilas
That's the problem.

Unless an individual experiences the "real" thing himself,he/she will always deny the facts according to the abductees.

But when he experiences it in reality,then the post abduction period is so severe that he refuses to talk about it anymore or sometimes accept the fact(in front of the public)that it had ever happened to him.
snuffypuffer
Fact is, it happens, though. So you have to keep that in mind. Not saying that it's the case with everyone, but I guess for some folks the idea of being abducted by aliens is easier to deal with than being brutalized by family members.
hazzard
In 1991, Hopkins, Jacobs and sociologist Dr. Ron Westrum commissioned a Roper Poll in order to determine how many Americans might have experienced the abduction phenomenon. Of nearly 6,000 Americans, 119 answered in a way that Hopkins et al interpreted as supporting their ET interpretation of the abduction phenomenon.

Based on this figure, Hopkins et al estimated that nearly four million Americans might have been abuducted by extraterrestrials. To me that sounds highly unlikely, have a look here for a little more "down to Earth" explanations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_abducti...ed_explanations
ivytheplant
I know someone who said he had an abduction experience by beings that were exactly like the aliens in Communion. However, this was long before the book or movie came out. I know he isn't lying about it and there's nothing in his past that would indicate abuse. Who knows.
ivytheplant
Also, I had a weird experience once. I saw something...odd in my house and while talking to someone with psychology experience, we determined that it wasn't sleep paralysis (or swamp gas), play of light from traffic outside (I had long since memorized every conceivable pattern), the cats (they were huddled in terror next to me), or other easily explanable sources.

The odd thing was, it looked exactly like a ringwraith from the LotR movies, but this was before the movies ever came out. And since I was never able to get through the first chapter of The Hobbit I didn't get the image from there either. I still haven't found a contemporary source I might have gotten the image from. Though I did watch a lot of TV once I got into college.
Anukis
Anyone raed this? its preety disturbing i must say mellow.gif

http://www.aliensandchildren.org/InterviewwithProf.htm
ex infernis
QUOTE

made by children who are abducted by aliens.

I think this site needs some help in the grammar department wink2.gif
rapid7
QUOTE(Anukis @ Aug 29 2006, 12:20 PM) [snapback]1326368[/snapback]

Anyone raed this? its preety disturbing i must say mellow.gif

http://www.aliensandchildren.org/InterviewwithProf.htm


Dr David Jacobs: Well, the one hope I have right now is not much of a hope. But the hope that I have right now is the fact that it's still secret. That is to say that as long as it's still secret, they must assume that they are still vulnerable and therefore there's a way that we can affect the program. That's not a whole lot to hang on to, for me. But you know I despair that the scientific community is going to realize the importance of what's happening in front of them. I think that even if they do, there's so much water under the bridge and we're so far down the line with this that indeed it may make no difference.

rapid7

http://www.aliensandchildren.org/

This site is the best and worst of Ufology in one package.
Highly accurate information combined with er…. madness.
Of course, it would take additional information to differentiate between the two.
Oh, and some access to verified facts.


boorite
user posted image

Look, it's Kif from Futurama!

I had the abduction experience when I was 5, long before I ever heard of it, and long before Strieber, Hopkins, and all those appeared. Holy Christ, it's scary. Whether this is some archetype barfed up by the collective unconscious or actual, physical, little blue dwarf bastards who sneak in at night to poke and prod us, I don't claim to know.
ivytheplant
QUOTE(boorite @ Aug 29 2006, 08:18 PM) [snapback]1327598[/snapback]

user posted image

Look, it's Kif from Futurama!


And is that his girlfriend, Amy next to him?
Atheist God
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Aug 28 2006, 12:03 PM) [snapback]1325260[/snapback]

Yes, but does he have any evidence of abduction other than unreliable, by nature, memories? The human mind has odd ways of dealing with trauma. Perhaps, before jumping to the "It was aliens!!" conclusion, folks out to look to more mundane -- and horrific -- explanations for abuse.


Extreme physical or psychological trauma often results in that person as 'post traumatic stress' syndrome. What happens for example is your mind will block or repress a memory resulting in a gap in memory. For some this may appear as time loss or amnesia. Others who may have experienced something very traumatic may indeed cover one memory with another. For example if you as a child seen something really horrific like someone getting shot in the face, your mind may block this out as it causes psychological harm and replace that memory with another. It is one of the brains natural functions to protect you from harm whether it be physical or psychological.

When it comes to kids they are often more likely to completely fabricate false memories. For example a childs mind may not be able to handle extreme abuse so they fabricate a memory of alien abduction. For years all over tv shows and movies have been shown even though a child may not understand what they are seeing that memory sticks in the subconscious. This memory or rather imagry stored in the brain may be recalled to replace a harmfull memory.

Even though a small child may not understand the concept of abduction or recall something they may have seen on TV or in a movie. The imagry of what they seen sticks in the brain this memory or imagry they may remember whether it be conscious or not may be used at any time to replace a memory that may be psychologically harmfull. This often also leads to poor mental health of a child and often depression and other psychological disorders later on if it is not properly dealt with.

People would rather fabricate a memory if a real memory is to much for them to handle. It is a part of the human self defense mechanism.
ivytheplant
QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Aug 29 2006, 10:31 PM) [snapback]1327889[/snapback]

When it comes to kids they are often more likely to completely fabricate false memories.


I know speaking from experience, I ended up creating false memories that I just recently realized weren't real. Some of them because I was lonely, some of them because of the "excellent" job my mother did in destroying my sense of self worth. It's disturbing realizing that some important event in your life isn't real. I still have a hard time telling myself it wasn't because the fiction is so much nicer.
Atheist God
QUOTE(ivytheplant @ Aug 30 2006, 12:29 AM) [snapback]1327973[/snapback]

I know speaking from experience, I ended up creating false memories that I just recently realized weren't real. Some of them because I was lonely, some of them because of the "excellent" job my mother did in destroying my sense of self worth. It's disturbing realizing that some important event in your life isn't real. I still have a hard time telling myself it wasn't because the fiction is so much nicer.


Ivy you are a perfect example of how traumatic psychological and or physical experiences may be blocked by false memory. Unlike many however you realize that those fabricated memories are not real experiences and though you would like to beleive they were you just can't. Only because the memories of mother are not as enticing as the fabricated ones.

I myself have had a traumatic experience and suffer post traumatic stress syndrome. Although I never fabricated memories that specific incodent is blank. I am still missing a chunk of memory almost like 'missing time'. This was due to physical trauma i experienced in 98 when i had broken my neck diving in a lake.

Many types of events can trigger memory lapse, and especially in children abuse is often the main cause for this type of psychological self defense mechanism to activate.

boorite
I've had lots of traumatic things happen to me. I remember lots of them. The little blue SOBs is one of those traumatic things, and I sure as hell remember that. It is not a cover memory for some other trauma. Those things scared me worse than anything that ever happened in my screwed-up family. Why would I cover a trauma with a worse trauma?

Nothing like those blue things existed in any medium I was aware of at age 5. And yet other people saw them, too. Strieber, for example, even describes the same sounds and other highly specific sensations associated with the experience. Therefore, I think we're dealing with something bigger than individual psychology. Even if these things come from ourselves, we have to explain why so many of them look and act as they do.

I'm very aware of PTSD. I have treated it. Some PTSD or PTSD features may be associated with the "abduction" experience, because it is traumatic, but I do not think it is possible that the whole experience is caused by or is a symptom of underlying PTSD. I think the experience is somehow primary.
ivytheplant
QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Aug 29 2006, 11:52 PM) [snapback]1328010[/snapback]

Ivy you are a perfect example of how traumatic psychological and or physical experiences may be blocked by false memory. Unlike many however you realize that those fabricated memories are not real experiences and though you would like to beleive they were you just can't. Only because the memories of mother are not as enticing as the fabricated ones.


Actually, I didn't create memories to replace traumatic ones. I always remembered the traumatic memories (save one I purposefully put out of my mind, but never really forgot). What I did was create additional memories. I once calculated that if those memories were real, I would have added an extra five to ten years to my life. I just wanted to have some happy memories so I created them in addition to all the lousy memories I had. That way I didn't feel near as depressed when I looked back and saw there was a lot more happy going on.
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