Ring Tailed Lemur
Aug 29 2006, 07:59 PM
GreyWeather
Aug 29 2006, 08:05 PM
yeah its sad, but people have always eaten dogs

specially in china.
Poetic Reven
Aug 29 2006, 08:08 PM
They eat cats, guinea-pigs and hamsters too. Dun believe it's only dogs.
GreyWeather
Aug 29 2006, 08:10 PM
QUOTE(Arbiter22 @ Aug 29 2006, 09:08 PM) [snapback]1326963[/snapback]
They eat cats, guinea-pigs and hamsters too. Dun believe it's only dogs.
yes. I know. but the topic wasn't directed at who eats what, the topic is about the OP's surprise of finding out that people eat dogs.
Poetic Reven
Aug 29 2006, 08:12 PM
QUOTE(Leliel @ Aug 29 2006, 04:10 PM) [snapback]1326966[/snapback]
yes. I know. but the topic wasn't directed at who eats what, the topic is about the OP's surprise of finding out that people eat dogs.
Thanks, Lel, but I was talkin to the OP. It does have to do with dogs too.
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dun believe it's only dogs
See? Dogs, Topic=dogs, I posted about dogs as well, get where I'm goin? And it is very sad that this happens.
BurnSide
Aug 29 2006, 08:16 PM
What's the difference between eating a dog and eating any other animal? They're all animals that feel and exist, just because one type of animal has been tamed by humans to be pets does not mean they are any different than animals that have been tamed by humans for use as food. If you're against some cultures eating some animals, perhaps you should be against eating animals in general.
Poetic Reven
Aug 29 2006, 08:24 PM
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Aug 29 2006, 04:16 PM) [snapback]1326976[/snapback]
What's the difference between eating a dog and eating any other animal? They're all animals that feel and exist, just because one type of animal has been tamed by humans to be pets does not mean they are any different than animals that have been tamed by humans for use as food. If you're against some cultures eating some animals, perhaps you should be against eating animals in general.
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Great, now you got me feelin bad and all, since I'm 85% carnivore most the time. But the diffence I would say is, the animals bein bred for food in the US are livestock mostly, bein that they lead horrible lives, and since they do, I thank them and consume to prolong my own life. But domestic animals have been bred to express emotion far greater than livestock. Now, this doesn't change the fact that livestock are living animals that feel and exist, but it does make one feel more sympathy for the domestic animals. I'm against all unruly killing of anything, but if it's for food, that lessens the impact, but still, only for food when it's absolutely neccesary. I doubt I'll be turnin vegan or vegitarian in my lifetime. But I do consider what these animals must have been thru.
crouton
Aug 29 2006, 08:25 PM
While the thought of raising, killing, and eating a dog, or cat sickens me, I have to agree with Burnside. We in the States only feel this way because we tend to think of them as family members. Other cultures view them as food. In India, most people would feel just as sick about us eating a cow. It's simply a matter of culture. (Although, if I could, I would rescue every single dog and cat, and any other 'exotic' animal headed for the slaughter house)
BurnSide
Aug 29 2006, 08:32 PM
I am in the same boat, and although i desire to not eat meat due to how i feel about it, i guess i'm not strong enough to cut it out of my diet.
But i have never seen a difference between a pet and livestock. It's almost like seeing a difference between an african child who can eat maybe once a week, and an american child who has so much to eat 50% of it is thrown in the trash. Is there a difference between these two simply because one was born into a fortunate, loving life while the other was born into desperation and suffering? No, of course not, they're both still humans and should be treated equally. I do see a difference between humans and animals, naturally, but i do not see why one is expected to suffer in slavery and be eaten while the other is expected to be loved and cared for and have a great life.
Besides, it's that whole differences in cultures argument over again too. What if over there they actually kept pigs as pets and bred dogs into pens to be kept as livestock, to grow until fat enough to slaughter? To them, sympathy would be given to their loving pigs while the dogs were ignored and eaten. No big deal right.

It's difficult to accept the values and ideals of another culture when they clash so bizarrely with ones own, especially when we have been programed to care for one specific type of animal and abuse another.
Me too crouton, i in no way enjoy the thought of dogs being eaten.

But no less than i enjoy the thought of a shark thrown back into the ocean with it's fin cut off or a raccoon being skinned for it's fur. Humans are vile to nature, it doesn't matter what country it is, we're all the same.
Poetic Reven
Aug 29 2006, 08:44 PM
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Aug 29 2006, 04:32 PM) [snapback]1327002[/snapback]
I am in the same boat, and although i desire to not eat meat due to how i feel about it, i guess i'm not strong enough to cut it out of my diet.
But i have never seen a difference between a pet and livestock. It's almost like seeing a difference between an african child who can eat maybe once a week, and an american child who has so much to eat 50% of it is thrown in the trash. Is there a difference between these two simply because one was born into a fortunate, loving life while the other was born into desperation and suffering? No, of course not, they're both still humans and should be treated equally. I do see a difference between humans and animals, naturally, but i do not see why one is expected to suffer in slavery and be eaten while the other is expected to be loved and cared for and have a great life.
Besides, it's that whole differences in cultures argument over again too. What if over there they actually kept pigs as pets and bred dogs into pens to be kept as livestock, to grow until fat enough to slaughter? To them, sympathy would be given to their loving pigs while the dogs were ignored and eaten. No big deal right.

It's difficult to accept the values and ideals of another culture when they clash so bizarrely with ones own, especially when we have been programed to care for one specific type of animal and abuse another.
Me too crouton, i in no way enjoy the thought of dogs being eaten.

But no less than i enjoy the thought of a shark thrown back into the ocean with it's fin cut off or a raccoon being skinned for it's fur. Humans are vile to nature, it doesn't matter what country it is, we're all the same.
-and that bad feeling jes got worse. I agree wit not killing animals as a whole. But it really isn't so much as my fault that I feel more for the domestic animals than livestock, almost every human is raised with this notion, and it oddly sticks. It is a cultural thing, but everyone disagrees on whats right and wrong even in the same culture. Its more of a diverse situation. Vegans and meat eaters, tho they may or may not be in the same culture, will clash. I think it's more of an issue of eating meat, or not eating meat. I can't exactly erase meat from my meals, but that doesn't mean I feel glee when I bite into a once living creature.
frogfish
Aug 29 2006, 10:18 PM
There is nothing wrong with putting meat in your mouth and swallowing. It's part of a survival technique called
eating. Some of you may know that, we cannot survive without eating

Be it that poor piece of cauliflower or that innocent cow. We need to eat.
Eating dogs...it's a norm in their culture, maybe not in ours. We must respect that.
Now, the way we get some food is what I disagree with.
Avinash_Tyagi
Aug 29 2006, 10:58 PM
Ring Tailed Lemur
Aug 29 2006, 11:12 PM
eating dogs is different because they TORTURE THEM AND SKIN THEM ALIVE

. i would feel they same way if they did that to cows or pigs
frogfish
Aug 29 2006, 11:17 PM
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eating dogs is different because they TORTURE THEM AND SKIN THEM ALIVE
How about if they killed them humanely, then ate them?
samanthauk23
Aug 29 2006, 11:47 PM
QUOTE(Avinash_Tyagi @ Aug 29 2006, 11:58 PM) [snapback]1327285[/snapback]
Same here

ya won't catch me eatin anythin that had a face these days lol! Feel much fitter for it surprisingly.... thought i'd feel rough to start with, but didn't at all!
But, on topic: eating a dog is no worse than any other animal....take how pigs are slaughtered...they are given an electric shock to the temple to send them into a fit to stop them fighting while being slit along their stomachs, from their groin up to the throat and having their innards pulled out (all whilst being tied upside down) and left to bleed to death! It's all as bad as the dogs......
Have a veggie burger lol
BurnSide
Aug 30 2006, 12:12 AM
RTL, ever had Lobster? Traditionally, they're boiled alive.. that's pretty torturific.
Western society does incredibly inhumane things to animals, and samanthauk posted a good example.
frogfish
Aug 30 2006, 01:08 AM
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won't catch me eatin anythin that had a face these days lol!
So no more broccoli?

poor guy didn't even get to say buy to his wife and kids before being viscously torn out of his home. He never wanted to leave his roots
Ring Tailed Lemur
Aug 30 2006, 01:33 AM
QUOTE(frogfish @ Aug 29 2006, 07:17 PM) [snapback]1327339[/snapback]
How about if they killed them humanely, then ate them?
i little better but i wouldnt eat even then because i love dogs
Ring Tailed Lemur
Aug 30 2006, 01:36 AM
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Aug 29 2006, 08:12 PM) [snapback]1327427[/snapback]
RTL, ever had Lobster? Traditionally, they're boiled alive.. that's pretty torturific.
Western society does incredibly inhumane things to animals, and samanthauk posted a good example.

no i don't

and thats why
Avinash_Tyagi
Aug 30 2006, 02:36 AM
QUOTE(frogfish @ Aug 29 2006, 09:08 PM) [snapback]1327507[/snapback]
So no more broccoli?

poor guy didn't even get to say buy to his wife and kids before being viscously torn out of his home. He never wanted to leave his roots

Difference is Broccoli has no brain or nerve endings so it doesn't feel pain when you rip it out of the ground.
Also that makes you doubly cursed because you eat plants and animals, you horrible butchering savage
Bone_Collector
Aug 30 2006, 05:37 AM
Yeah, just because they're dogs and just because few breeds are tamed and kept as pets by some people doesn't necessarily make their killing any worse than the killing of several other animals for their meat. I find it strange when some meat eaters cry wolf over the killing(for meat) of some other animal they like.
People like meat and people will eat meat, only their preferences vary but while the killing goes on, it would be much better if the killing techniques were a little more humane. Make the strike sharp and make it quick!
scipherel
Aug 30 2006, 08:46 AM
Best thing is not to post topics like this.
I don't like killings too, be it animals or plants.
If i have to pull out a plants for consumption, i have to say
sorry for the plants. " sorry mate! i have to eat. "
And that vegetable will pardon me.
Roj47
Aug 30 2006, 09:16 AM
QUOTE(Avinash_Tyagi @ Aug 30 2006, 03:36 AM) [snapback]1327641[/snapback]
Difference is Broccoli has no brain or nerve endings so it doesn't feel pain when you rip it out of the ground.
Now what is that faction of thought? Fruitarian? Whereby anything living (such as fruit on a tree) is alove until it falls to the ground.
At which point you are allowed to eat it.
I still think it bizarre that the french eat snails, frog's legs and horses.
I tried deer last year. Very nice
Always remember the fall in sale of pork after Babe - Pig in the City
Saint
Aug 30 2006, 09:20 AM
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Aug 29 2006, 08:16 PM) [snapback]1326976[/snapback]
What's the difference between eating a dog and eating any other animal?
This is my standard answer to outrage expressed about dogs/cats etc being eaten. Thanks Burnside, you put it in a nutshell! I can't add anything.
GoGoGodzilla
Aug 30 2006, 09:29 AM
My issue isn't with them eating the dogs.. its with the torturing them and then skinning them alive. eating dog is one thing.. if they're bred for food like cows.. but skinning them alive is just sick.
frogfish
Aug 30 2006, 12:52 PM
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Also that makes you doubly cursed because you eat plants and animals, you horrible butchering savage
Just trying to survive

It's a cruel world.
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I tried deer last year. Very nice
Venison is tasty, I love it! Especially freshly hunted deer. My uncle hunts them and he always gives us some meat...
Roj47
Aug 30 2006, 01:01 PM
QUOTE(frogfish @ Aug 30 2006, 01:52 PM) [snapback]1328271[/snapback]
Venison is tasty, I love it! Especially freshly hunted deer. My uncle hunts them and he always gives us some meat...
I mis-typed my post. I meant to say that I tried Bambi and it was very nice.
Babe was alright, but cow and chicken are the best

Anyone for Donald and plum sauce?
samanthauk23
Aug 30 2006, 01:23 PM
QUOTE(frogfish @ Aug 30 2006, 02:08 AM) [snapback]1327507[/snapback]
So no more broccoli?

poor guy didn't even get to say buy to his wife and kids before being viscously torn out of his home. He never wanted to leave his roots

Oh man, that's it! I can't stand it! Never again will a broccoli be forced to up-root away from his family to be part of some quiche, I'm opening a Broccoli Sanctuary, where Broccoli and their families can dwell in peace!
Roj47
Aug 30 2006, 01:34 PM
I can just picture the advert in the shop window.
Remember.... A dog is not just for Christmas........ Save some for Boxing Day.
crouton
Aug 30 2006, 06:40 PM
QUOTE(1dominick1 @ Aug 30 2006, 02:29 AM) [snapback]1328119[/snapback]
My issue isn't with them eating the dogs.. its with the torturing them and then skinning them alive. eating dog is one thing.. if they're bred for food like cows.. but skinning them alive is just sick.
I agree. But think about it---could this even be possible? I mean, a live dog will fight back quite a bit as it's being skinned, before eventually dying. Horrible to think about, but I would think that it would be easier to skin a dead, or, unfortunately, sedated, dog. I don't think skinning alive is really feasible. Correct me if I'm wrong, any one who really knows.
Jok3r
Aug 30 2006, 06:48 PM
That really makes me sick. Why dogs? Eat cats instead and not man's best friend. Great, now I have to go give my dog a hug because im soo sad. =(
blak~fox
Aug 30 2006, 11:53 PM
QUOTE(MindFreak718 @ Aug 30 2006, 02:48 PM) [snapback]1328782[/snapback]
That really makes me sick. Why dogs? Eat cats instead and not man's best friend. Great, now I have to go give my dog a hug because im soo sad. =(
eww, how could anyone want to put an adorable kitty down their throat?
Id like to become a vegitarian, but until they can make fried chicken out of tofu, its not gonna happen. I kinda feel bad about eating plants too, just because they cant express their feeling doesnt mean they dont hav any. At least Finding Nemo stopped me from eating fish.
frogfish
Aug 31 2006, 01:11 AM
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That really makes me sick. Why dogs? Eat cats instead and not man's best friend. Great, now I have to go give my dog a hug because im soo sad.
Because it's food! Why chicken? Why turkey? Why cow, deer, duck, and fish?
They are just eating.
frogfish
Aug 31 2006, 01:13 AM
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I don't think skinning alive is really feasible. Correct me if I'm wrong, any one who really knows.
They do it...
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Oh man, that's it! I can't stand it! Never again will a broccoli be forced to up-root away from his family to be part of some quiche, I'm opening a Broccoli Sanctuary, where Broccoli and their families can dwell in peace!
Yay for free Broccoli!
Jok3r
Aug 31 2006, 01:33 AM
QUOTE(frogfish @ Aug 30 2006, 09:11 PM) [snapback]1329360[/snapback]
Because it's food! Why chicken? Why turkey? Why cow, deer, duck, and fish?
They are just eating.
Have you ever tried dog?
frogfish
Aug 31 2006, 01:39 AM
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Have you ever tried dog?
Well....

No

Have you ever tried Beef? You think it's normal to eat beef? Not in India. What you have a problem with here is not the food, but the culture. They're just eating...The way the kill the dogs is horrific, but I don't see any problem with
eating dogs.
cubsfan7
Aug 31 2006, 02:42 AM
QUOTE(crouton @ Aug 29 2006, 03:25 PM) [snapback]1326990[/snapback]
(Although, if I could, I would rescue every single dog and cat, and any other 'exotic' animal headed for the slaughter house)

so u would take away and important food source from people which would most probably lead to less food for the people who already dont have enough so really u would be dooming humans instead of sacrificing cats and dogs...so u would like to see even more ppl starve to death just for a few cats/dogs...im not saying thats bad if u like to see/know that kind of stuff(i think its bad that people try to save and save things and they dont even think about the consquences of their action(s)

)
QUOTE(frogfish @ Aug 29 2006, 08:08 PM) [snapback]1327507[/snapback]
So no more broccoli?

poor guy didn't even get to say buy to his wife and kids before being viscously torn out of his home. He never wanted to leave his roots


thats the greatest thing ive ever seen but i would just like to say y is it better to eat plants(for u vegatarians) then animals both r living things and r killed

(and please dont say because they, plants dont have nerves)..and it may not seem as brutal because theres no blood involved
frogfish
Aug 31 2006, 02:45 AM
Well, plants can be distressed, but not on the level of physical pain as animals...So that's why veggie-killing is more humane!
cubsfan7
Aug 31 2006, 03:03 AM
yea its more humane but ur still killing something so unles u eat something artificaily created w/o plants or animals ur still killing something
Jok3r
Aug 31 2006, 04:37 AM
QUOTE(frogfish @ Aug 30 2006, 09:39 PM) [snapback]1329395[/snapback]
Well....

No

Have you ever tried Beef? You think it's normal to eat beef? Not in India. What you have a problem with here is not the food, but the culture. They're just eating...The way the kill the dogs is horrific, but I don't see any problem with
eating dogs.
But it's a dog. Man's best friend. Dog's are just too close to us to have them tortured and then eaten. You might not agree with me but I just find it too horrific.
CelestialGazer
Aug 31 2006, 06:03 AM
As horrifying as the thought of eating dog meat is....it is in fact just seen as meat to those who enjoy it. For them, it is no different than eating chicken, duck, beef, pork, venison, buffalo, shark, snake, other animals or if you are a cannibal, human flesh (because face it, we are considered animals as well so we are indeed part of the food chain, no matter how sick that seems) .... The truth is, no one is really thinking of them as pets when they are chowing down on the meaty bits of doggy on their plate. Although they could find a more merciful way to kill the animals then skinning them alive. That is as bad as in the slaughterhouses when the workers hang livestock , whilst still alive, upside down and slash their throats open so they bleed out. I personally wouldn't eat dog meat, being an owner of 2 dogs....but hey..if that's what you enjoy, go for it....just don't try to eat my pets or I'll be showing you the barrel of my .22.
Roj47
Aug 31 2006, 08:59 AM
QUOTE(MindFreak718 @ Aug 31 2006, 02:33 AM) [snapback]1329391[/snapback]
Have you ever tried dog?
I am guessing you have never had the pleasure of a UK take away at 3am on a Sunday morning.
QUOTE(MindFreak718 @ Aug 31 2006, 05:37 AM) [snapback]1329565[/snapback]
But it's a dog. Man's best friend. Dog's are just too close to us to have them tortured and then eaten. You might not agree with me but I just find it too horrific.
I would say that the closest person to me is my GF, and I feel tortured on a daily basis.
I have little interest in the soaps or what the lastest celebrity did..... pure torture. Get onto the offside rule.
Poetic Reven
Aug 31 2006, 09:10 AM
QUOTE(MindFreak718 @ Aug 31 2006, 12:37 AM) [snapback]1329565[/snapback]
But it's a dog. Man's best friend. Dog's are just too close to us to have them tortured and then eaten. You might not agree with me but I just find it too horrific.
Oddly enough, dogs kill more humans than the cats you want dead. But, like I said, they (most of Asia) eat everything that has a brain. How do I know this? Google can turn up some horrific results even with innocent searches.
Wolfox
Sep 4 2006, 01:40 PM
*tranforms into a werewolf and kills those canine murderers!*
DIE DIE DIE!!!
if they came near Mocha, the most beloved dog to me, i'll rip their friggin skeltal structure outta their bodies!!!!!!
Roj47
Sep 4 2006, 01:52 PM
QUOTE(Lycanthrope Kid @ Sep 4 2006, 02:40 PM) [snapback]1335347[/snapback]
if they came near Mocha,
Mmmmmmmmmmmm........ Mocha.......
glenndo4000
Sep 4 2006, 01:54 PM
dog is most popular in korea, where it is often a food eaten on special occasions.
they almost worship them
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Because it's food! Why chicken? Why turkey? Why cow, deer, duck, and fish?
They are just eating.
because dogs are more intelligent (11th removed from humans) and at one with humans than animals such as the chicken, or the cow
glenndo4000
Sep 4 2006, 01:56 PM
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i'll rip their friggin skeltal structure outta their bodies!!!!!!
what, like subzero on mortal kombat?
FATALITY!
Wolfox
Sep 4 2006, 02:01 PM
*snickers* a little bit...but, i'd rather use a "jutsu" on him, like Naruto! *thinks for a moment* ...Byakugan? Sharigan? oh, choices so hard
IamsSon
Sep 4 2006, 02:09 PM
QUOTE(Ring Tailed Lemur @ Aug 29 2006, 02:59 PM) [snapback]1326952[/snapback]
In Korea dogs have been considered a tasty dish for probably centuries
They can't understand why Americans and Europeans find it wrong.
QUOTE(Ring Tailed Lemur @ Aug 29 2006, 07:59 PM) [snapback]1326952[/snapback]
If you grew up and were raised there you probably wouldnt find it gross.
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