Submitted by Rick Hamell: A series of pictures showing a mysterious creature some are describing as a "Plesiosaur" has been stirring up interest. From the source article: This creature was found by Russian soldiers on Sakhalin Sakhalin area is situated near to Japan, it’s the most eastern part of Russia, almost 5000 miles to East from Moscow (Russia is huge). People don’t know (what it) is. According to the bones and teeth - it is not a fish. According to its skeleton - it’s not a crocodile or alligator. It has a skin with hair or fur. It has been said that it was taken by Russian special services for in-depth studies, and we are lucky that people who encountered it first made those photos before it was brought away.

For more photographs see the full story link.

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Those links aren't working for me.

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Judging by the teeth, and you can correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like a large mammal to me that's badly decomposed and missing it's limbs.

Double checked links, they appear to be working correctly. It's possible that the source site was down when you tried to click through to it, if you are still having problems accessing it now, try using a different browser.

the teeth and length make me think of an orca, and the "hair" is probably an added feature that happened while it was decomposing. Or perhaps when the skin and fat began turning liquid the "fur" perhaps got stuck to it as it passed by.

Could be, in picture #8 and #10 the teeth look more like molars though.

The shape of the jaw really does look like an Orca's.

Orca Jaw Image: http://www.boneclones.com/KO-044J.htm

actually - it looks like one of those mystics from the dark crystal...

actually you are right,,lol

Very long body, sharp teeth=predator(I think, fish eater). 1000%, this is a Basilosaurus

Stumbled on this link last night, and I believe they hit it right on the money.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/...an-plesiosaur3/

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Its an orca, if you scroll down theres comments. and one comment speaks of that the russians trained water-mammels for anti-mine purposes, so it's probably a test gone wrong. which would explain why the military took it away so quickly. .

Edit. also... a dinosaur? come on! dinosaurs are extinct... if they weren't then we would deffiently know of them being in existance. specially in the waters (remember, we have Navy's), if dinosaurs survived then they would have reproduced back to a full population (I mean its been 65 million years). Plus plesiosaur's were air breathing creatures (like whales)... and even though whales are at dangerous low population levels, people still see them while dinosaurs? no. well... unless you're crazy.

It's a Orca or Killer Whale, the skeleton is identical.



Look closely at the jaws. Pretty much a perfect match, as well as the bone structure and long tail. Even the size is correct.

There is no 'hair' that is a description of the pictures made by the article writer. The hair is actually decomposing flesh that is peeling away from the bone, it can and does look like hair in photographs.

Bones and decomposing skeletal remains very very rarely even closely resemble what they originally looked like, especially when that corpse has been floating around in the waves and currents of the ocean for a certain amount of time, picked at by other fish etc.

Cousin of nessie

Im nOt AnNOYeD, MayBE You JeSt doN'T GeT THa ConCEPt? StOP RaGgIng on people du, they can type however they want. Jeez.

thats interesting...could it be that not all dinosaurs went extinct? I mean crocodiles survived...and that pleasarus(spll?) lived in the sea as well....hmmmm....

P.S.this is my first post....woohoo!

nah, if that dinosaur did survive and then survived the ice age, it would have no doubt been spotted. due to all the human fisheries that are bound to the sea ect . If any dinosaur did survive it'd have adapted to the climte by shrinking or changing its self, such as the ancestors of the crocodile. Or they would have been out-numbered by the animals that did adapt to the climate changes who now had the advantage.



that's not typing... thats MSN messenger speech This is a forum "du"

Edit: Welcome to UM forums skary

Sure looks like an orca skeleton to me. But th Molar like teeth are weird.

Not sure if you believe in Sasquatch or Bigfoot, but the same could be said with the amount of hunters we have in the world. Remember that the earth is made up of more water then land mass, and it runs far deeper then we have ever been able investigate. We are still finding new insects and reports of rare birds said to of been extinct.

haha, yeah I thought of that after I wrote that. but still, they were air breathing like whales, so they'd have been documented by now

It's definitely an Orca or Beluga. Their are no nasal passages in the skull

The skeletons are identical, and the 'fur' and rotting flesh.

Dinosaurs and marine reptiles are long gone...

yeh that was my first thought. i said, wow nessie is a long way from home.

but seriously, it does look like a beluga whale

my first post too, hey and it didn't hurt at all

grats on ur first post

also i would just like to point out that nessie isnt the only creature like itself...many other countries have there own nessie so it could have been "theirs" but they r really all the same plus or minus some features

Who wrote this article? love the (Russia is huge) reference, really gives this article validity and professionalism

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but maybe the dinosaurs are smart, like we are, too
so they dont let themselves to be spotted. (except crocodiles)



yaay, first post...

Must be the whale...though I was really hoping for evidence of a Wise old, Great Mystical Water Dragon, that would confuse and amuse many boring logical minds...
Ah well...maybe next time.

I don't see the resemblence in the 2 skeletons. O.o

Why did they jump to the conclusion it was a dino so readily. whats up with that.

Maybe it's a Grendal.

I'd say it was too small to be an orca whale, unless it was an immature one. Perhaps more likely a beluga..........although it does bear a marked resemblance to an Ichthyosaur.




A type of fish called the coelacanth was once thought to have been extinct for millions of years until a fisherman caught one in his net in 1938. Who really knows what remains in the depths of the ocean. There could be still more species, of fish, mammals and reptiles that we believe to be extinct, yet to be discovered alive.

yeah, but you have one flaw in that. the Coelacanth is a fish - they have gills and are not required to breath air. Whilst mammals and reptiles are , the coelacanth lived at quite a depth which would resort in very little need to evolve to fit into its environment. While mammals and reptiles live on land - there is a larger response to the climate, competition, and change in prey.
if it was a dinosaur, its very appearance would have changed. Either dramatically or of a small significance, since it's been 65 million years since they died out. Mankind itself has changed dramatically in only 2 million years, whilst the jellyfish, octopus, shrimp (ect) haven't.

Still, dinosaurs do still live on today, be it birds or reptiles themselves.

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The evidence is OVERWHELMING that marine reptiles went extinct 65 MYA

The Dark Crystal was derived from a true story perhaps. (kidding)

Somehow it looks like it was intelligent. Old and wise before it died. I don't think it was an ocean dweller but somehow ended up in the ocean.

I wish for some great water dragon to be discovered as well. The world needs something like that desperately.

Are you serious? It's a whale, period!

Yes i was serious, but now i feel silly. I just wanted it to be more then a whale now that i look back. Why cant we find nesse or something dang it.!

I don't know if anyone has said this, but it looks like a graboid from tremors to me, just one that swims!

Has that been verified yet?



Yeah well, some things that we thought were exstinct, end up turning up.

I'm somewhat versed in biology, and unfortunately, I have to say that the organism in question appears to be a classic decaying cetacean, most likely an orca. I would like to mention however that the belief in "extinct" organisms living in contemporary times is not unfounded, and in point of fact is highly likely to an extent. I personally feel that there may be dozens of refugiums not yet discovered by man, including some that may contain the extant descendants of some forms of nonavian dinosauria, particularly those of the late cretaceous. Please note that I am not saying that one day we, researchers, will stumble upon a family of Tyrannosaurs, but rather a smaller, more modern variation suited to life in contemporary times. Though, I must admit, I believe it is much more likely to find mammalian species, such as Siberian mammoths, etc, in modern times than the later. Cheerio...

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Oh, by the way. Forgive me for being too technical, but I just want to mention something for those who do not yet know: Dinosaurs are strongly recognized as a separate form of animal from the pterosaurs, crocodilians, turtles (and tortoises), lizards (and snakes), plesiosaurs, pliosaurs, phytosaurs, pelycosaurs, thecodonts, etc. The only TRUE living relative, indeed descendants, of the dinosauria are our avians, or birds. The only other form of modern life that can be associated with the dinosauria is the crocodilians, for which can only be attributed to the belief that the family( crocodilians) descended from the ancestors of the dinosauria themselves, thus being classified as "cousins" of the dinosauria in the Archosaur family (other noted archosaurs are pterosaurs, phytosaurs, and birds). Crocodilians are not in anyway the descendants, nor living examples of, the dinosauria. Cheerio again…

Welcome to UM, and great first post!

The first thing I thought was "Dark Crystal" when I saw that picture. However the jaw and "nose/beak" makes it all look like it's in fossil form. Like they were dredging sea bottom of something and brought this thing to the surface. The matted material on it's body isn't in keeping with the P.saur pictures posted. (I'm thinking of the remains that have been found in pete bogs in Scotland and such. Their tissues are preserved in such a way as to resemble what I can see of this creature in the pictures.)
Fascinating none the less. Great article.

Graboid and the "Russian Plesiosaur"



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it's nice meeting you, and I hope you continue posting such excellent posts...

only, please consider using a larger font...

Thank you all for the warm welcome. I plan to be a frequent visitor Cheerio...

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Firstly.....I never did say the "mystery creature" was a dinosaur, or even imply that. I said it was more than likely either a young orca or a beluga.

The reason the coelacanth is often referred to as the "living fossil" is because it has remained unchanged in appearance for millions of years. Those found alive today still look like those in fossils millions of years old. Evolution is usually a result of environment and necessity. In the case of the coelacanth, it likely remained unchanged simply because it had no need to change. Its environment has remained for the most part unchanged. The same could conceivably be true for other aquatic creatures, such as the icthyosaurs. There may be other creatures that did not change much if at all, simply because it wasn't necessary. You can't really compare it to mankind, since mankind is not an aquatic animal.
Whales breathe air, yet are capable of staying underwater for very long periods of time, without benefit of gills. How can we say for certain that fishermen's claims over the centuries, of sea monsters, etc., are not due to the existence (albeit rare) of creatures we believe to be extinct, or never knew to even exist. IMO we can't entirely rule out such a possibility.

just a thought... could these 'sea monsters' have been salt water crocodiles?



LINK-> Crocodile

BTW, the animal that washed up on the beach looks like an Orca to me...

Also, the species of coelecanth found was new to science.

So, does anyone actually know what it is yet? IMO it cant be an orca, because as far as i know, they don't have that sort of skeleton... the skull is too elongated, orca skulls are more stubby...

Its a Beluga whale, they are identical, also, Belugas can be found in the coastal waters where this skeleton was found:



http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beluga




http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/...an-plesiosaur2/

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/...an-plesiosaur3/