Full Version: The Evil of Disney
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| Well, then don't get a tv set. Problem solved! |
Actually, KayEl, you have a point.....
.....we are each responsible for what our kids view on the tube....
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Actually, KayEl, you have a point..... .....we are each responsible for what our kids view on the tube.... |
But, shouldn't responsibility also fall to those in charge of teh media as well? It's a two fold responsibilty.
Well, that is why we have Freedom To, rather than Freedom From. People have choice to allow what goes in or out of their houses.
Merchants shouldn't be selling porno mags to underage kids . And from what I have seen, kids are in school during the day and the most sexually explicit programmings are at night, when the parents are home also. If you are concern about daytime contents of TV, then don't get cable television at all. If I am going to pay for television, it better be broadcasting something I don't usual get over on normal network television. Otherwise, what's the point?
Merchants shouldn't be selling porno mags to underage kids . And from what I have seen, kids are in school during the day and the most sexually explicit programmings are at night, when the parents are home also. If you are concern about daytime contents of TV, then don't get cable television at all. If I am going to pay for television, it better be broadcasting something I don't usual get over on normal network television. Otherwise, what's the point?
The point is that with the large outcry against the explicit shows on TV you'd think that the networks would be more understanding. Instead the shows get worse.
I understand it is my choice and my responsibility to decide what is allowed in my house.
However, the networks should be held accountable for some of the programming.
Hell, even Disney is getting as bad.
So far I have found one network I can trust to be on. So I do watch alot of PBS now. When I had my dish I watched alot of history and Discovery.
I do like my things that are out of the childs range but I am careful to make sure it is safe to watch or listen to them. I don't want compleate censorship (that's wrong) but, I do want some hedging back of the trash put on TV.
I understand it is my choice and my responsibility to decide what is allowed in my house.
However, the networks should be held accountable for some of the programming.
Hell, even Disney is getting as bad.
So far I have found one network I can trust to be on. So I do watch alot of PBS now. When I had my dish I watched alot of history and Discovery.
I do like my things that are out of the childs range but I am careful to make sure it is safe to watch or listen to them. I don't want compleate censorship (that's wrong) but, I do want some hedging back of the trash put on TV.
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| But, shouldn't responsibility also fall to those in charge of teh media as well? It's a two fold responsibilty |
how about you issue some self control and self-censorship
if you don't like it tough, the majority do.
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| I do like my things that are out of the childs range but I am careful to make sure it is safe to watch or listen to them. |
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| how about you issue some self control and self-censorship if you don't like it tough, the majority do. |
How about reading the entire post before having a knee-jerk reaction. What makes you think you know what is on the mind of the majority anyway?
I think TV is pretty tame nowadays. Is there an outcry? Perhaps people are overreacting. If there are a few people who can't handle TV and do stupid things as a result, it is them who needs to be fixed. 
You guys are crazy. The only thing about Stories and cartoons that I find bad is the whole blonde is good and brunette is bad policy. I grew to hate all blondes because I felt discriminated against even when I was under age 10. And yes movies/cartoons are made to brain wash everyone. If You want to talk sh** about something don't limit yourself to Disney, they are just out for money like everyone else. No wander that our "values" are almost not present. And decrease each generation. I still think you are crazy. 
That'll be the...um..diplomatic approach I assume 
As far as what should or should not be shown on telivision...
Well, there's a reason there's a watershed, and there's a reason why some of the more explicit telivision is limited to its own channel. There's a reason why you're able to install password protection for channels nowadays, and there's a reason why there's a nice little tv guide so you can look through and see what you want to watch, and don't find yourself having to flick through anything that you don't wanna see...
There are a wealth of options given to you to limit what is watched in your home as much or as little as you want. You may not like violent movies with harsh language or bloody fight scenes...other people do...you might not like Jackass...other people do...Proposing that the content of telivision should be changed based upon your own ability to stomach certain programmes, when you have it in your power to simply change the channel, is ridiculous. The job of the telivision company is to entertain as large an audiance as possible, not to cencer the veiwing material of your children.
Telivision is supposed to be a universal mode of entertainment, entertaining everyone, no matter what their tastes...not every show will be for you, just like not every show you watch will be appealing to the people watching other ones. It's your job to police what your child is exposed to you as you see fit...that's part of your job as a parent. If you don't believe somthing is suitable, then there's no reason why it should be watched...
The last time I checked, people were actually capable of doing other things than sitting in front of a telivision screen...I've also heard that telivisions are actually capable of moving from one station to another! Wow! If you don't enjoy the programme on one channel, then a majority of you will probably have at least 100 more to choose from
As far as what should or should not be shown on telivision...
Well, there's a reason there's a watershed, and there's a reason why some of the more explicit telivision is limited to its own channel. There's a reason why you're able to install password protection for channels nowadays, and there's a reason why there's a nice little tv guide so you can look through and see what you want to watch, and don't find yourself having to flick through anything that you don't wanna see...
There are a wealth of options given to you to limit what is watched in your home as much or as little as you want. You may not like violent movies with harsh language or bloody fight scenes...other people do...you might not like Jackass...other people do...Proposing that the content of telivision should be changed based upon your own ability to stomach certain programmes, when you have it in your power to simply change the channel, is ridiculous. The job of the telivision company is to entertain as large an audiance as possible, not to cencer the veiwing material of your children.
Telivision is supposed to be a universal mode of entertainment, entertaining everyone, no matter what their tastes...not every show will be for you, just like not every show you watch will be appealing to the people watching other ones. It's your job to police what your child is exposed to you as you see fit...that's part of your job as a parent. If you don't believe somthing is suitable, then there's no reason why it should be watched...
The last time I checked, people were actually capable of doing other things than sitting in front of a telivision screen...I've also heard that telivisions are actually capable of moving from one station to another! Wow! If you don't enjoy the programme on one channel, then a majority of you will probably have at least 100 more to choose from
Well said.
Also, I think it is easier to blame and fix television than going to find and fix the real source of the "moral decay" of America.
Also, I think it is easier to blame and fix television than going to find and fix the real source of the "moral decay" of America.
I checked out the site mentioned and there was several things I never noticed before, and my little girl is a big Disney fan, we have all the movies in question. As far as the Jessica Rabbit thing, yeah that looks like her cootchie. But if that's the only thing the person could find I'm surprised. What about when she pretty much puts her boobs in the P.I.'s face? Or the game of Patty-Cake with Mel Blank(?). Let's face it, there was no hiding her sexuality. As for the sex in the dust in the Lion King, yeah that looked like it. Hunchback of Notre Dame was definitely partially about the "Priest's" repressed and twisted sexuality. The flasher in the window of the Rescuers was there. I even saw the phallus in the Little Mermaid.
As an artist I understand that Disney has hundreds of artists working for them, I also know how easy it is to put vandalism in a work because of being disgruntled. Especially when there are a million pictures in a production, there is simply no way to scan each and every one. I never noticed the stuff before and I know my daughter never will. I'd much rather have her watch Disney than the junk that rules T.V. land.
About stereotype, and Pocahontas: where they thought she was like a playboy model I have no idea, I think this person has some issues. Of course, if they were accurate and made her 12 years old then this same person would accuse Disney of being pedophillic. As being from the Native American culture I know that the real story of Pocahontas was much more complicated than presented, and wasn't totally a love story. I did not care too much to how the natives were presented in the movie, as far as how the Europeans were presented I'm not sure. But my daughter is Native American and she loves that movie. Let her enjoy it and keep the politics to the adults.
I did, however, notice the nude scene in Return Of The Jedi. Also C-3PO and R2-D2 do appear to be homosexual robot lovers. The hints of incest between Luke and Leia, "I've always known, even when I stuck my tongue in your mouth". Nobody makes a big deal about that, and neither do I.
Why don't we get to what this is really about? Gay Day at Disney World. If it's so much like the set of "Caligula" then why don't you just find out what one day a year it is and schedule your vacation at a different time?
As an artist I understand that Disney has hundreds of artists working for them, I also know how easy it is to put vandalism in a work because of being disgruntled. Especially when there are a million pictures in a production, there is simply no way to scan each and every one. I never noticed the stuff before and I know my daughter never will. I'd much rather have her watch Disney than the junk that rules T.V. land.
About stereotype, and Pocahontas: where they thought she was like a playboy model I have no idea, I think this person has some issues. Of course, if they were accurate and made her 12 years old then this same person would accuse Disney of being pedophillic. As being from the Native American culture I know that the real story of Pocahontas was much more complicated than presented, and wasn't totally a love story. I did not care too much to how the natives were presented in the movie, as far as how the Europeans were presented I'm not sure. But my daughter is Native American and she loves that movie. Let her enjoy it and keep the politics to the adults.
I did, however, notice the nude scene in Return Of The Jedi. Also C-3PO and R2-D2 do appear to be homosexual robot lovers. The hints of incest between Luke and Leia, "I've always known, even when I stuck my tongue in your mouth". Nobody makes a big deal about that, and neither do I.
Why don't we get to what this is really about? Gay Day at Disney World. If it's so much like the set of "Caligula" then why don't you just find out what one day a year it is and schedule your vacation at a different time?
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| I did, however, notice the nude scene in Return Of The Jedi. |
Ok share time I wanna hear about this one....
In Jabba's palace, when he starts getting horny for his dancing slave girl, "Oola" the green girl with the two tentacle things coming out of the back of her head. The girl refuses as Jabba keeps yanking her chain, and her boobs start falling out. He pushes the button and before she falls through the trap door you can see her boobs. No biggie, I just happened to catch it one time and couldn't believe it, so I paused it there to check. They might have missed it in the editing room, maybe not, but who cares? I've seen more on National Geographic. Pretty funny though.
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Adolf wasn't a Jew.... |
I have not yet seen an answer to the Hitler question about being Jewish.. I wanted to show two sides, there are many rumors that state that either Hitlers grandmother or grandfather were jewish, however there is also a possiblity that it was a misinterpetted acount that his "godparents" were jewish since he was supposedly catholic through his mothers family ( hard to believe since you can not be a god parent to a catholic if you are jewish at any time in that history of catholism) however, it is there that the rumors were he recieved his jewish side through his mothers side of the family...Just a thought
http://wais.stanford.edu/Holocaust/hitlers...iers081003.html
http://www.suntimes.co.za/1998/10/18/news/news03.htm
http://www.holocaust-history.org/questions...er-jewish.shtml
Seems to me that all you have proven is that (1) Disney made animated features of pre-existing fairy tales or novels, (2) followed them quite closely (how many times have you come from a movie, based on a book you read, complaining that it was nothing like the book?), and (3) had animationists with a normal sense of humor. My question is "What kind of pervert goes through a film frame by frame hoping (nay - praying) that they find something nasty?" 
| QUOTE (Consummate Deist @ Jan 15 2004, 09:49 AM) |
| , (2) followed them quite closely (how many times have you come from a movie, based on a book you read, complaining that it was nothing like the book |
Umm no they did not.
In fact, many of the Disney movies that are based on classic fairy tales are a lot gruesome and macabre than the finished Disney product. If they followed the tale closely, they wouldn't need to insert hidden sexual content!
This bad mabba jamba here once almost got into a fight with a Disney World SS trooper (security guard) after the punk tried to detain me (I"m a Milwaukee Gang Squad Cop) and my girlfriend after he said he saw me steal from a store. "Hey guy, guess what, I wasn't in your store and wish I didn't listen to the chick next to me and came here on my vacation." I requested to inform a lawyer before he proceeded to call a supervisor and inform him that he should Mirandize me if he wanted to detain my a$$. Punk, get a real job, like at McDonalds.
i like disney's movies. they are nice and colorful. i liked the fat-obese dancing ballet hippos from Disney Fantasia. they were very elegant and graceful. HAHAHAHAHA. anyways, I wonder if American Tail has any weird stuff like Who framed Roger Rabbit.
Sound like Disney's employees are not treated nice there. that is why there are so many gross-out stuff slipped into the Disney's movie. Disney managers can be cut-throats.
Sound like Disney's employees are not treated nice there. that is why there are so many gross-out stuff slipped into the Disney's movie. Disney managers can be cut-throats.
I thought this thread died....
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| I thought this thread died.... |
hahaha wrong!
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hahaha wrong! |
damn...
i can do an eerily accurate impression of mickey mouse. especially strange since my voice is so deep naturally.
i don't trust disney at all. any company so outwardly squeaky clean and good HAS to have something diabolical going on...maybe it's like umbrella in the resident evil series; in the lowest levels of disney, they're trying to make a REAL mickey mouse, goofy, and all the rest of them. if you go to one of their amusement parks, be vigilant to see if the character your hugging is a person in a costume or not...
i don't trust disney at all. any company so outwardly squeaky clean and good HAS to have something diabolical going on...maybe it's like umbrella in the resident evil series; in the lowest levels of disney, they're trying to make a REAL mickey mouse, goofy, and all the rest of them. if you go to one of their amusement parks, be vigilant to see if the character your hugging is a person in a costume or not...
I don't like the way Disney twisted all my favourite stories up. Fairy tales have a special old world magic to them but Disney cartoons simply took that away. I've seen many non-Disney fairytales that, even with their own versions put in, they still manage to keep the same mystical enchantment in the stories. Disney's hybrid fairytales are like sickly popcorn & cola trash.
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| Disney's hybrid fairytales are like sickly popcorn & cola trash. |
but...i like popcorn and cola...
This reminds me of Music class, we were watching The Lion King, and this girl pause it at the grass and dust scene, It supposed to be SFX but it's looks like SEX, I remember watching this movie with my friends when I was younger, when your little you don't notice these things, I on;y noticed it cause somebody pointed it out
EDIT: I have a picture of it too
EDIT: I have a picture of it too
Found this on the net a while ago, about subliminal messages and Disney:
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| The debate over subliminal messages has been alive and well for more than forty years, and both sides of the issue have been explored in their entirety. Do subliminal messages exist, or are they just a figment of one’s imagination? If they do exist, do they work, or are the advertisers just wasting valuable time when they could be devising ways to better serve their potential customers, ethically? These are some of the more popular questions being asked about subliminal messages. I’ll let you be the judge. The first known experiment with subliminal projection occurred in 1956, when a special projector was installed in a Fort Lee, New Jersey movie theater by a New York City firm, Subliminal Projection Co., Inc. During a six-week period, patrons reportedly were exposed to two advertising messages projected subliminally on the screen during the regular presentation of the motion picture "Picnic." The words "Drink Coca-Cola" and "Hungary? Eat Popcorn" were flashed on the screen every five seconds at the subliminal level of 1/3000th of a second. The Subliminal Projection Co. reported that the sale of popcorn and Coca-Cola increased as a result of this simulation. There have been many more recent experiments conducted in recent times. There was an experiment conducted by Dr. Kenneth Parker at Queens College in New York where testees were shown the word PLASTIC for such a short time that they cannot be conscious of having seen it. This is tested first. There should have been no conscious perception.When the testees are asked to make a word with the letters PLA, they all give PLASTIC. Other possibilities such as PLASTICINE, PLACE, PLANT…are not suggested by anyone. Also, of the two most popular words starting in ELA – ELASTIC and ELATED – the testees only chose ELASTIC after having perceived the word PLASTIC subconsciously. Not only have subliminal messages been tested by experiment, they have also been used in advertising. When subliminal messages are used in advertising, it has been said that the most common forms of messages relate to sexual aggression, violence, and power. Many people have claimed that the Camel cigarettes’ advertisement, containing Joe Camel, projects sexual implications. Supposedly, the head of Joe Camel represents the head of male genitalia. Also, in an advertisement for Kent cigarettes many years ago, during the time of the Cold War, there was a picture of three individuals on a ski lift. There was a woman in between two men. The man on the left was dressed in red and yellow, typically communist colors. On the other side of the woman there was a man, obviously more attractive, dressed in patriotic red, white, and blue. It was evident by the picture that the woman was more interested in the gentleman in red, white, and blue that the other man in communist colors. Consequently, the man in "patriotic" colors was holding the Kent cigarette. Subliminal messages go beyond just print advertising. There are many examples cited in movies. Disney received an incredible amount of criticism for the appearance of the word SEX in the movie Lion King. Not only does the word appear, but it appears twice! Coincidence? I’ll let you be the judge. Another situation involving the Lion King deals with the names of the characters. In Swahili, the name ‘Simba’ means lion and the name ‘Shenzi’ means barbarian, but the word Pumba (the name of the warthog), when translated from Swahili, means ‘excretion from under the foreskin.’ I cannot verify the Swahili translation, but if that is correct, that is absurd. Disney did not stop at Lion King. There have been other incidences cited in the movies Aladdin and The Little Mermaid. In Aladdin, if one were to listen closely, you can hear a whispered message that states, "Good teenagers, take off your clothes." Although Disney spokesperson Rick Rhoades claims the cited verse supposedly says, "Good tiger, take off and go," I’ve heard the cited verse, and it sounds to me like Disney meant to do wrong. In The Little Mermaid, there is a seen where a man performing a wedding is shown in profile and appears to get an erection as the bride and groom approach. Rick Rhoades declined to comment on this incident. Subliminal messages are around us everyday, if one would want to believe so. If one were to look at the Windows 95 startup screen (for quite some time) they might possibly begin to notice a few images. For instance, a dark horse (representing power and authority) rearing on its hind legs can be made from the shaded area just to the left of the Windows insignia. Another image could possibly be made from the shadow above and to the right of the insignia. This could represent a flying bird with outstretched wings. This could perhaps symbolize flying and freedom. (Or is it a vulture!) Finally, many people have been able to make out (pardon the pun!) a man caressing a woman laying in the missionary position. If you look above the insignia, you can see the profile of a man’s face, with the tip of his nose touching the very top left part of the logo. The white clouds can be imagined as the hair of a woman, supposedly with her head resting on a pillow. If one were to use their imagination, this could be seen, with whatever connotations one would want to apply. Subliminal messages can be seen everywhere, if one wants to believe so. There are many examples of subliminal messages, both obvious and not. Is it a mistake that the letters SEX appear on advertisements in magazines all over the world or is it just coincidence? Is it an explicit attempt by Disney to convey sexual overtones in its movie cartoons, or has Disney just been the blunt of bad criticism? Are these blatant subliminal messages or are they just occurrences of chance? |
oh yeah in practicly every disney movie the parents get killed off during the movie or the kids and orphan, which is really kinda scary lol but if they are evil or not either way it draws in ppl to see the movie...it adds more drama i guess and more angst to the story. ive always hated that whole *hi im a prissy lil princess and i need help from a big strong man* kinda thing..like in the classics..guess thats always pissed the hell otta me. but their animation is incredible ill give em that...
ive done reports on walt disney....he was a racist lil freak..an antisemite i believe...and have u ever watched thos old olld ollllddd cartoons that are in black and white...they have a lot of racisim in them and sterotypes.
sure back in day the "classic" disney films were good...but now...lol now they just suck...pixar withdrew their partnership with disney....and for a good reason too.
if you really really think about it...people went to see dumbo, the lion king, aladdin...because of the whole *im alone with no parents and i gotta save the day* kinda thing...
i dunno the only disney movie i really liked was the emperors new groove...now that was just funny lol
as for goofy..i think he was supposed to be a dog...or something like it.
and mickys original name was mortimer hehe modeled after some mouse that lived in walt apt when he was 1st starting out.
oh! 1 more thing lol as for disneys sqeaky clean rep....did u hear about that poor guy working at disneyland, i think it was that 1 or maybe world... but anyways! he was in some parade and got run over by a float!! a float!! i mean those things go at like..what 5...10 mph....and the float atually fell on the guy....but people didnt notice because it happend further down the road...talk about unsafe...you have screaming lil kids standing there with a shifty float goin by... yikes!
ive done reports on walt disney....he was a racist lil freak..an antisemite i believe...and have u ever watched thos old olld ollllddd cartoons that are in black and white...they have a lot of racisim in them and sterotypes.
sure back in day the "classic" disney films were good...but now...lol now they just suck...pixar withdrew their partnership with disney....and for a good reason too.
if you really really think about it...people went to see dumbo, the lion king, aladdin...because of the whole *im alone with no parents and i gotta save the day* kinda thing...
i dunno the only disney movie i really liked was the emperors new groove...now that was just funny lol
as for goofy..i think he was supposed to be a dog...or something like it.
and mickys original name was mortimer hehe modeled after some mouse that lived in walt apt when he was 1st starting out.
oh! 1 more thing lol as for disneys sqeaky clean rep....did u hear about that poor guy working at disneyland, i think it was that 1 or maybe world... but anyways! he was in some parade and got run over by a float!! a float!! i mean those things go at like..what 5...10 mph....and the float atually fell on the guy....but people didnt notice because it happend further down the road...talk about unsafe...you have screaming lil kids standing there with a shifty float goin by... yikes!
Bout the only Disney movie I like is Mulan.
As for the aladin thing... it is "Go on, Take off." ;P Sorry, but after seeing that a bajillion times due to the childcare job I had... (along with Hurculeseseses) ...
Lion King was good for the music! The story was a bit.. meh. And it spawned a mess of artists to make up lion king artistic style characters.
As for the aladin thing... it is "Go on, Take off." ;P Sorry, but after seeing that a bajillion times due to the childcare job I had... (along with Hurculeseseses) ...
Lion King was good for the music! The story was a bit.. meh. And it spawned a mess of artists to make up lion king artistic style characters.
ohh i liked mulan too! hehe its all about the azn girl pride an azn girl myself lol so i loved it even more....loved it when the huns came over the mountian...yeah disneys got some good movies but i didnt like most of em...dumbo made me cry lol and so did bambi
an azn girl myself lol so i loved it even more....loved it when the huns came over the mountian...yeah disneys got some good movies but i didnt like most of em...dumbo made me cry lol and so did bambi
the only disney movie that came close to upsetting me was "the fox and the hound." sad, sad movie. dumbo was just terrifying. you remmber that part where he's hallucinationg or whatever? that was crazy...
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| dumbo was just terrifying. you remmber that part where he's hallucinationg or whatever? that was crazy... |
They'd never get away with a scene like that these days.
lol oh way not in this day and age lol especialy with the FCC tryin to screw us all over lol i mean all the cartoons that shows that come over from Japan to the US have been censored so badly that the US cut out all the good parts lol and changed everything around! anywho i took my 11 year old cousin to see home on the range he didnt like it and neither did i....lol i caught him sleeping through part of it.
hehe his fave movie is mulan haha!! i jave taught him well!
hehe his fave movie is mulan
haha!! i jave taught him well!
According to Dan Brown, Disney is full of overtones of the Goddess Cult and Mary Magdalen as the cup of christ bearing the blood of christ (eg. a kid). An awful lot of the animators would have had to have been in on the joke tho, and most were being hounded for being communists and Goddesses were probably the last thing on their mind.
Besides which, whatever Disney did have it aint got no more. Since Jeffrey Katzenberg left for Dreamworks Disney is crap. Apart from Mulan Dreamwork's animation and artwork (until they fell in love with metal boxes for animation replacing the artists perfectly adequate hand) is now by far superior to Disney's. The Eagle's wings at the beginning of Spirit, Stallion of the Cimarron is a case in point. Nothing in Disney was done so lovingly recently. The sun flashes through the feathers in the expanse of the wing, it's art in a film!
Besides which, whatever Disney did have it aint got no more. Since Jeffrey Katzenberg left for Dreamworks Disney is crap. Apart from Mulan Dreamwork's animation and artwork (until they fell in love with metal boxes for animation replacing the artists perfectly adequate hand) is now by far superior to Disney's. The Eagle's wings at the beginning of Spirit, Stallion of the Cimarron is a case in point. Nothing in Disney was done so lovingly recently. The sun flashes through the feathers in the expanse of the wing, it's art in a film!
So the stories in Disney movies are shocking, well those stories were rewriten to make the viewers more at ease, all "Prince and Princess" tales are quite harsh they usually get killed, cursed for the rest of there lives or they suicide them selfs.
Disney really manage to cut "the ugly" without removing the bases of the stories...
I'm an Illustrator and working all day long on someone elses work really sucks, so of course I'll add my own "signature"... and who dosen't like a lil' subliminal joke once in a while.
I just guess the guys at Disney are tired, making lil happy-go-lucky characters all day...
-We're only human people!...don't you make fun of your boss at work or simply want to leave a mark on the face of history!
-kikushiro
Disney really manage to cut "the ugly" without removing the bases of the stories...
I'm an Illustrator and working all day long on someone elses work really sucks, so of course I'll add my own "signature"... and who dosen't like a lil' subliminal joke once in a while.
I just guess the guys at Disney are tired, making lil happy-go-lucky characters all day...
-We're only human people!...don't you make fun of your boss at work or simply want to leave a mark on the face of history!
-kikushiro
Well as people have said disney wasn't the first to tell tales of murder, beheading and such to little children. Alot of the old folktales like the ones we know, even cinderella were even worse than they are now. And alot of diffrent cultures had similar tales. In some versions of the cinderella stories she takes her vengence on the evil stepmother by murdering her and the stepsisters. Hanzel and Gretel? Cannibal witch? Need I say more? My thinking is that bad stuff like that did really happen in one form or another now and then. Also sometimes the mother figure dying may be simbolic for something else. One theorie is, it simbolizes the lost of spiritual guidence, or the loss of the mother religion. As many people think there is alot of pagan philosphy hidden inside of the stories. Altho I have heard it argued there is christian philosphy as well. Who know?
Disney fanatic here !!! and proud of it.
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| Donald and Goofy are the manifestations of demons (did anyone ever figure out exactly what kind of creature Goofy is?), and those evil little chipmunks are plotting to destroy mankind. |
Not only is Disney horribly eeevvviill, but they also have some hilarious easter eggs in their movies such as this famous one from the Rescuers.
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isnt disneyland just a giant human trap run by a mouse?
Hmmm...some interesting points that was made in the "paste" given by the thread starter...but in my opinion, I think the writter that wrote what was written in the "paste" has some serious unresolved sexual abuse issues.
First of all...it's Disneys rights to have their material copyrighted. It's the law to be able to sue regardless of the nature to where it stems from if it's stolen or are not given permission to use.
I really don't remember the full details to the disney stories because it's been so many years, I wouldn't watch Bambie for my love of deer's (and well, a lot of other cartoons and other children movies that weren't disney), but I very much agree that women are degraded in it, but hey, that was society back in the day! Women still are fighting for equel rights! And if I remember correctly, Snow White did win over evil as well as women in the other films! And, don't some family's expose their children to hunting nevertheless many forms of abuse in real life?
And about Pocahontas film.. I'm 75% English and I have Shawnee Indian in me...I'd care to spit on the white man for stealing the Indians land out of selfishness in those days...BUT in grade schools, it is VERY common for our school systems to not give the facts straight in history subjects and of reading story books. They tell you in a fairytale way so you're more captured to listen yet giving false facts along with the truth! I know I wasn't alone when I got into further grades and based my knowledge on false facts that the teachers gave us from earlier grades!
Even if some Disney cartoons were more adult based...there are other cartoons that were meant for adults but ended up on t.v. during children hours like Popeye (made for sailors) and then the...what was is called???...with the moose??? And well, geez...nearly every cartoon in the past and current to date are not fit for children.
Grant it...I'm not a pervert and do not expose sex upon kids. Honestly, I only peck or briefly kiss my partner and hold hands in public or in front of any other people regardless if I'm at a gay bar or wherever we may be outside of our privacy because that is just my style.
But when it comes to homophobes...whether you accept it or not, homosexuality it's natural! Bi sexuality is natural as well as heterosexuals.
Some think it's a sin...well it's also common with animals such as rams and porcupines and many other animals. The Bible is understood differently by many different people, just as a song or a poem may be understood by one that was totally different than the feelings and meaning of the writter.
And of those who believe in reincarnation...do you think every single past live of yours was of only one sex and you by happened to have not fallen inlove with an "old" lover that just happened to be the same sex as yours this time around? Nor gathered many of the people in your lives sharing a similar experience and stance to learn from regardless of sexuality? I'll tell you all...It isn't an easy road being lesbian with the hatred from some others around you, but I wouldn't change my life even if I could and it also taught me more courage, self-acceptance, love and a whole lot of other things that I couldn't claim to know as well if I were straight this time around. And the wonderful people I know who are gay....
I believe in each life time people and situations are meant for reasons and the only "sin" in life is to not be who you are and what enhances oneself to the light.
When it comes to Gay Day at parks and of those that don't care to be exposed to it nor their children...well, you send a strong message of fear and hatred. Suicide rates with gay children are in the top 3 because they were thrown out of their homes and/or were not accepted for their sexuality.
It's taken a long time for African Americans as well as women to have rights...rights that still aren't equel to the overall society.
Where it comes to gay bashing and unacceptance of ones sexuality...underneathe it all...you are gay or bi yourself or have been and/or are sexually abusing others, or are very sexualy insecure...in my opinion!
Flamboyant drag queens, gay men running around in S&M gear, butch women...they don't represent the community as a whole. Neither does a heterosexual that dresses in S&M gear, runs around topless ect....represent the "straight" community. Some gay people wouldn't be so flamboyant about their sexuality if society wouldn't degrade us. It's an acceptance issues and often acted out in distaste by a very small portion of "our" society.
So be it in our schools giving false facts to children during studies...overall I don't see any difference than a homophobe trying to hide their children away from homosexuals especially when I've heard some spell or even whisper the word gay in front of their one year old after saying they have no problem with gays. Adults often underminded children for what they are able to handle and understand. As a foster child counselor, we are strict to not lie to the children because they see through it and continue to learn distrust.
We all are different. In a perfect world, everyone would accept each other regardless of religion, sexuality, color, race, differences and uniqueness in a whole...but hmmm...if that happened then why would most of us be here and for most...reincarnated? Because Earth would be just like Heaven and no reason for us to be here, except to show/remind us how much love and acceptance outways hatred...
First of all...it's Disneys rights to have their material copyrighted. It's the law to be able to sue regardless of the nature to where it stems from if it's stolen or are not given permission to use.
I really don't remember the full details to the disney stories because it's been so many years, I wouldn't watch Bambie for my love of deer's (and well, a lot of other cartoons and other children movies that weren't disney), but I very much agree that women are degraded in it, but hey, that was society back in the day! Women still are fighting for equel rights! And if I remember correctly, Snow White did win over evil as well as women in the other films! And, don't some family's expose their children to hunting nevertheless many forms of abuse in real life?
And about Pocahontas film.. I'm 75% English and I have Shawnee Indian in me...I'd care to spit on the white man for stealing the Indians land out of selfishness in those days...BUT in grade schools, it is VERY common for our school systems to not give the facts straight in history subjects and of reading story books. They tell you in a fairytale way so you're more captured to listen yet giving false facts along with the truth! I know I wasn't alone when I got into further grades and based my knowledge on false facts that the teachers gave us from earlier grades!
Even if some Disney cartoons were more adult based...there are other cartoons that were meant for adults but ended up on t.v. during children hours like Popeye (made for sailors) and then the...what was is called???...with the moose??? And well, geez...nearly every cartoon in the past and current to date are not fit for children.
Grant it...I'm not a pervert and do not expose sex upon kids. Honestly, I only peck or briefly kiss my partner and hold hands in public or in front of any other people regardless if I'm at a gay bar or wherever we may be outside of our privacy because that is just my style.
But when it comes to homophobes...whether you accept it or not, homosexuality it's natural! Bi sexuality is natural as well as heterosexuals.
Some think it's a sin...well it's also common with animals such as rams and porcupines and many other animals. The Bible is understood differently by many different people, just as a song or a poem may be understood by one that was totally different than the feelings and meaning of the writter.
And of those who believe in reincarnation...do you think every single past live of yours was of only one sex and you by happened to have not fallen inlove with an "old" lover that just happened to be the same sex as yours this time around? Nor gathered many of the people in your lives sharing a similar experience and stance to learn from regardless of sexuality? I'll tell you all...It isn't an easy road being lesbian with the hatred from some others around you, but I wouldn't change my life even if I could and it also taught me more courage, self-acceptance, love and a whole lot of other things that I couldn't claim to know as well if I were straight this time around. And the wonderful people I know who are gay....
I believe in each life time people and situations are meant for reasons and the only "sin" in life is to not be who you are and what enhances oneself to the light.
When it comes to Gay Day at parks and of those that don't care to be exposed to it nor their children...well, you send a strong message of fear and hatred. Suicide rates with gay children are in the top 3 because they were thrown out of their homes and/or were not accepted for their sexuality.
It's taken a long time for African Americans as well as women to have rights...rights that still aren't equel to the overall society.
Where it comes to gay bashing and unacceptance of ones sexuality...underneathe it all...you are gay or bi yourself or have been and/or are sexually abusing others, or are very sexualy insecure...in my opinion!
Flamboyant drag queens, gay men running around in S&M gear, butch women...they don't represent the community as a whole. Neither does a heterosexual that dresses in S&M gear, runs around topless ect....represent the "straight" community. Some gay people wouldn't be so flamboyant about their sexuality if society wouldn't degrade us. It's an acceptance issues and often acted out in distaste by a very small portion of "our" society.
So be it in our schools giving false facts to children during studies...overall I don't see any difference than a homophobe trying to hide their children away from homosexuals especially when I've heard some spell or even whisper the word gay in front of their one year old after saying they have no problem with gays. Adults often underminded children for what they are able to handle and understand. As a foster child counselor, we are strict to not lie to the children because they see through it and continue to learn distrust.
We all are different. In a perfect world, everyone would accept each other regardless of religion, sexuality, color, race, differences and uniqueness in a whole...but hmmm...if that happened then why would most of us be here and for most...reincarnated? Because Earth would be just like Heaven and no reason for us to be here, except to show/remind us how much love and acceptance outways hatred...
AH-HAH!! Another indicator for Disnevil! I was just made aware of this. Disney Film Studios produced a slew of racist, pro-war cartoons during WWII:
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| "They were," Valley said, "the greatest things I’d ever seen in my life"—well-animated, hilarious and highly effective in their brainwashing efforts. But Valley also understood why Disney shrouded them in secrecy. Like all Hollywood studios during World War II, Disney turned over its facilities to the Pentagon and produced pro-war films preaching sacrifice and Jap-bashing. But Walt Disney devoted his company to the cause with an intensity unmatched by any other mogul. Unlike the animation departments at Warner Bros. and MGM, Disney’s cartoons openly called for annihilation rather than mere light-hearted mayhem, placed its characters on the front lines instead of metaphorical battlegrounds, and accomplished it in a way so beloved by the Armed Forces that, according to Thomas Doherty’s 1993 book, Projections of War: Hollywood, American Culture, and World War II, "Sandbags and anti-aircraft guns surrounded the only Hollywood studio designated as a ‘key war-production plant’ and ‘essential industry.’" |
(Emphasis mine)
Now, I'm a patriot, no doubt about that. But isn't using cartoons to promote war, genocide, and racism a bit extreme? Wasn’t the giant rodent and his mangy mob supposed to be entertainment for the kiddies? Was this propaganda any worse than what the enemy produced?
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| These films demonized the enemy in a way that would’ve made Hitler jealous. |
I realize it was during the greatest war of our time, but was Disney's gung-ho attitude really representative of what we were brought up to believe Disney was all about?
Beyond the lovable, fatherly facade of "Wonderful World of Disney" there lurks the dark, menacing visage of the "Malevolent Managerie of Disnevil."
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| Disney was an obnoxiously proud American, to be sure—he eagerly cooperated with Joe McCarthy’s commission during the 1950s and was notoriously anti-union. |
Where is the line between Patriotism and Fanatacism? It is one thing to support the war effort, another to promote it with images of wholesale bloodlust.
Quotes from: OC Weekly
Oh god.. I was really really into Disney when I was a kid. I wore Bambi shirts to school . Well actually I did not want to do that but my Mom presured me into it.
Well I remember this Disney movie- The Hunchback of Motre Dame, that movie made me sad... The ugly hunchback guy fell in love with this pretty girl and even after he saved her life she still went off with the hot guy. Bad message.... although he was accepted by everyone in the town in the end of the move.
Another movie I remeber is the Fox and the Hound (or whatever the hell it is called) . The hound was brought up to kill foxes but the hound became friends with a fox; later on in the hound's life (after he was made to never see the fox again) he was supposted to kill the same fox he was friends with and he decided not to kil him but it was just a strange movie.. I feel like there is a hidden message here.....
. Well actually I did not want to do that but my Mom presured me into it. Well I remember this Disney movie- The Hunchback of Motre Dame, that movie made me sad... The ugly hunchback guy fell in love with this pretty girl and even after he saved her life she still went off with the hot guy. Bad message.... although he was accepted by everyone in the town in the end of the move.
Another movie I remeber is the Fox and the Hound (or whatever the hell it is called) . The hound was brought up to kill foxes but the hound became friends with a fox; later on in the hound's life (after he was made to never see the fox again) he was supposted to kill the same fox he was friends with and he decided not to kil him but it was just a strange movie.. I feel like there is a hidden message here.....
Guns don't kill people, Disney does.
Even more questionable is why Rafiki is even IN the Lion King. I don't care, but why did Disney add occultish things into their movies? How can anyone translate swahili (spelling?). Why can ANYONE trust it was that language (exaggerating it a bit here) not some evil language or a curse? Your little kids could be trying to mimick Rafiki's speech, unknowlingly muttering a powerful curse on their parents. "HEY MOM, LISTEN TO THIS.."
Might be the last thing your mother hears...I would advise staying away from Rafiki.
Disney has a lot more of subliminal messaging in their movies, check out www.albinoblacksheep.com for some urban legends movies on subliminal messaging, it includes the s-e-x formation of clouds in The Lion King.
I advise all Disney Fanatics and anyone that goes to Disney World make sure to carry the following items for your safety(a little overboard here):
~Wooden Stake
~Crusifix
~Garlic
~Salt
~50' Desert Eagle with a lot of ammo
~Lighter and Oil for burning down Disney World
~A long knife
~Rope for dying up the CEO of Disney
~Paper Shredder for destroying the cartoons
~C4 to blow up the Disney HQ
Sorry, but I just had to say that. I hate Disney, their movies are indeed lame and have something hidden in them all...watch out the next time you see Mickey, he would love to seduce us and bring us into a darkness below.
Even more questionable is why Rafiki is even IN the Lion King. I don't care, but why did Disney add occultish things into their movies? How can anyone translate swahili (spelling?). Why can ANYONE trust it was that language (exaggerating it a bit here) not some evil language or a curse? Your little kids could be trying to mimick Rafiki's speech, unknowlingly muttering a powerful curse on their parents. "HEY MOM, LISTEN TO THIS.."
Might be the last thing your mother hears...I would advise staying away from Rafiki.
Disney has a lot more of subliminal messaging in their movies, check out www.albinoblacksheep.com for some urban legends movies on subliminal messaging, it includes the s-e-x formation of clouds in The Lion King.
I advise all Disney Fanatics and anyone that goes to Disney World make sure to carry the following items for your safety(a little overboard here):
~Wooden Stake
~Crusifix
~Garlic
~Salt
~50' Desert Eagle with a lot of ammo
~Lighter and Oil for burning down Disney World
~A long knife
~Rope for dying up the CEO of Disney
~Paper Shredder for destroying the cartoons
~C4 to blow up the Disney HQ
Sorry, but I just had to say that. I hate Disney, their movies are indeed lame and have something hidden in them all...watch out the next time you see Mickey, he would love to seduce us and bring us into a darkness below.
| QUOTE (schadeaux @ Oct 30 2003, 05:33 PM) | ||
| It is no secret that I hold no love of Disney. Disnevil as I call it. I firmly believe that Micky is Satan himself and Pluto is his faithful hellhound. Donald and Goofy are the manifestations of demons (did anyone ever figure out exactly what kind of creature Goofy is?), and those evil little chipmunks are plotting to destroy mankind. Anyways, I came across this article and found it very interesting. It just reinforces my own pathetic opinion that Disney cartoons are meant to rot your soul and that giant, half naked rodent is evil incarnate, the hellspawn dedicated to delivering your soul and that of our children into the very fires of desolation and destruction that darkens the unholy path away from righteousness and salvation, the insidious nature of the corrupted beast that feeds on our fears and weaknesses, that…  ...um, sorry... got carried away there. Read on please.
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lol, i firmly suggest you look at the snopes website about some of the comments you said.... where as i agree its a bit weird that the parent dies in a film.... how many films have you, or your children have watched were someone dies in it, be it parent or not?
snopes disney link
| QUOTE (madelyne @ May 29 2004, 10:46 AM) |
| Well as people have said disney wasn't the first to tell tales of murder, beheading and such to little children. Alot of the old folktales like the ones we know, even cinderella were even worse than they are now. And alot of diffrent cultures had similar tales. In some versions of the cinderella stories she takes her vengence on the evil stepmother by murdering her and the stepsisters. Hanzel and Gretel? Cannibal witch? Need I say more? My thinking is that bad stuff like that did really happen in one form or another now and then. Also sometimes the mother figure dying may be simbolic for something else. One theorie is, it simbolizes the lost of spiritual guidence, or the loss of the mother religion. As many people think there is alot of pagan philosphy hidden inside of the stories. Altho I have heard it argued there is christian philosphy as well. Who know? |
the brothers grim penned the tales of snow-white, cinderella, rapunzel etc and not disney.... and yes, they were a lot more violent too.... not so soft and lovey dovey, so to speak
The Hunchback of Notre Dame (Le Bossu de Notre Dame) has been written by a very famous french writter called Victor Hugo. At the end of the book, the Hunchback and Esmeralda are killed (they burn them alive). He also write "The Miserables" (les Misérables), Germinal (about workers in cole-mine). He lived in the XIXe and those time were hard. I have an old record with the stroy of the little Mermaid. At the end, she kills the Prince and commited suicide. I recently receive a book with 1000 faerietales and some of them are very cruel.
Please forgive me for my bad english.
Please forgive me for my bad english.
| QUOTE (Moonfairie @ Jun 23 2004, 05:31 AM) |
| I recently receive a book with 1000 faerietales and some of them are very cruel. |
Most Fairy Tales were originally created as Scary Tales, and for good reason. They were used to scare children (and some adults!) away from bad things. They had a purpose. Like Aesop’s Fables, they had morals. Stay on the right path, bad things may happen to children who wander alone in the woods. Don’t talk to strangers. Don’t take gifts from strangers. Not everyone is what they appear, may be a Wolf in Grandma’s clothing! Basically, they were meant to "scare kids straight."
My rant on what they, not just Disnevil, has done to the original stories is better suited to another thread, as it gets farther off topic.
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