Adolf Hitler and Russian leader Stalin were possessed by the Devil, the Vatican's chief exorcist has claimed. Father Gabriele Amorth who is Pope Benedict XVI's 'caster out of demons' made his comments during an interview with Vatican Radio. Father Amorth said: "Of course the Devil exists and he can not only possess a single person but also groups and entire populations. "I am convinced that the Nazis were all possessed. All you have to do is think about what Hitler - and Stalin did. Almost certainly they were possessed by the Devil. "You can tell by their behaviour and their actions, from the horrors they committed and the atrocities that were committed on their orders. That's why we need to defend society from demons." According to secret Vatican documents recently released wartime pontiff Pope Pius XII attempted a "long distance" exorcism of Hitler which failed to have any effect. Father Amorth said: "It's very rare that praying and attempting to carry out an exorcism from distance works.

"Of course you can pray for someone from a distance but in this case it would not have any effect. "One of the key requirements for an exorcism is to be present in front of the possessed person and that person also has to be consenting and willing. "Therefore trying to carry out an exorcism on someone who is not present, or consenting and willing would prove very difficult.

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There's no reason to use the notion of demons to explain profoundly evil people. Human beings are entirely capable of being profoundly good and/or profoundly evil all by themselves. Almost all people spend their lives between those two extremes. Just as a tiny few people are very tall and a few are very small, a few are very good and a few are very evil. Demons are not needed to explain what we see.

I agree totally.

What i do find odd or even "supernatural" about Hitler was his power of persuassion, power to talk directly to the inner evil in all the people of his nation and stir it up with his almost shamanistic "rituals".

The economic situation that Germany was in at that time was surely to his advantage, but still he was damn good at his evil.

Devil must be pretty smart to help the US go to the moon or to invent the jet airplane

I belIeVe HiTlER maY haVe BeEn poSeSSed, his actions WeRe diScuStiNg, BuT aS a HiStoRiCaL FiGuRe, LikE The aBove CoMMeNt MaY StaTe, He WaS daMM GooD aT HiS eViL, BeiNg aBlE to PErSuade N MaNiPuLaTe, I DoNt RuLe OuT the DeViL's WoRk...PEACE!!

The greatest trick the devil ever played was to convince the world he doesn't exist.

Humans alone are just monkeys. There must be dozens of outside influences working on humanity from the universe. Some good and some bad. Each of them wanting to aid in human progress and others that hate life and want it to suffer and die.

The most interesting things to happen to humanity such as the Bible or natural phenomina derive from some form of paranormal or supernatural influence or ecological-gaiatic- mysterie. To say it is just us and there's nothing else is Vanity.

Einstien said that "We know only one-onethousandth of one percent of what nature has yet revealed to us."

Hitler and Stalin where Demons plain and simple. Or at least that's the name given to the type of being that these humans are. Humans are demons. Demons are humans. If not then what could explain Hitlers perfect timing and climate in Germany for Anti-Semitism. It was pre-ordained or something. I think humans are being terribly manipulated and blindfolded in all of life affairs good or bad and we have yet to discover a kernal of truth as to "What's really going on."

However i could be dead wrong. Who knows?

"what could explain Hitlers perfect timing and climate in Germany for Anti-Semitism. It was pre-ordained or something."

Germany had a history of anti-Semitism for centuries. It was deeply ingrained. The only timing was that Hitler took advantage of the Depression, which was hitting Germany very hard, and shame over losing WWI.

Winston Churchill would have been a minor politician with a brash tongue who was unnoticed by history if he had not been thrown into greatness by WWII. Hitler would have been a miserable, mumbling nobody if he had not been thrown into despotism by his times.

No, it was not "pre-ordained". Lots of things that happen due to coincidence appear too unlikely to have happened for no reason, yet they do. How many things in life happen by chance and are not remarkable? Trillions. That a handful of those trillions of things that happen by chance end up being extraordinary doesn't require gods or demons. It's just chance.

There have been lots and lots of charismatic, evil people in the world. Most gather a small handful of followers and finally die miserably. David Koresh, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, etc. Hitler got lucky, if you can call it that, and he rose very high before being dragged down.

Hitler was a master of persuasion. He also had an audience eager to hear his message of blaming others for their problems. He had ready-made targets in the Jews, the Poles, the Russians, the Gypsies, etc., whom many or most Germans already hated. Germany was a very intolerant nation at that time. By the time rational Germans woke out of their trance, the machinery of state-run terror was so strong that few dared to speak out.

All of this is purely human. Humans can do incredibly wonderful things and incredibly horrible things all by themselves.

its 2006 and the vatican is still offering 'the devil' as an explanation?
ha ha ha.

10 million deaths because of one man goes beyond coincidences. He had backing from somewhere. Manson is little boy peep compared to Hitler.Im sure you have heard of Nostradamus saying that a man named Hister will come and be a tyrant and many deaths will follow. Hister is pretty dang close to Hitler. It was obviously Hitler. For reasons we can't explain, Hitler was meant to be. It transcends the good/evil argument i believe because free will in exchange for pre-ordainment cancels each other out and it remains a mysterie.

OR... i could be wrong...
Maybe where just humans after all and there is no God and we all die into nothingness the end. If thats the case then who really cares what happens?

Humans are capable of more evil than the devil himself.
I don't believe in the devil by the way.

History lesson time now i think. Okay at the time Hitler rose to power being voted in by the German peple Germany was in a depression, in trouble lots of unemployed, people looking for a way out, people wanting change.

What happened?

The Nazi party led by Hitler promised jobs, traditional values and promised to make Germany great once again, so why did Hitler get in power?

Because of the German people, he gained power due to the fact that he would help Germany rise up again and be powerful, return to glory have no unemployment.

This could even have in the small print of a poster or a leaflet i am going to whipe out the jews or invade england and people would still vote as they would feel it would be minor to what they would gain out of jobs and such.

So was Hitler posessed? This is a big question do you believe in God? Do you believe that the devil can posses people?

I myself believe in God, the afterlife and the devil, as for Hitler being possesed i'm not sure, think about it from Hitler's view point now i'm not condoling what he did as i know it was pure evil and i would never and i reapet never say waht he did was just.

But for sake of arguement look at it from his point of view why did he want to rid the world of the jewish race>?

Because of some of these reason, one is his mother was treated by a jewish doctor before she died and he blamed him.
Secondly rumour has it he had sex with a jewish prostitue and gained a disease.
Thirdly the jewish took advantage of the german people during the depression and days when germany was rich and they were upper class rich people holding high status.
Fourthy Hitler wanted a pure race, German, if you're not German you're not welcome in germany which to some people that would be fine if he just threw out the peopkle out of his country. He didn't he went a step too far and killed poeple which is wrong!

So the past caused Hitler to have a grudged and the german people, SS officers etc to have it against Jewish people, so it was a matter of time before something liek the war crimes happened.

So would it be caused by a man possesed?

Well if you remember or knew Hitler wasn't never going to do the whole final solution thing, it was advised by Himmler and adivisors high up in the Nazi party and so he went along how true this is i don't know but still it's a matter of why it happened who could kill millions?

Is it human nature?

Well for myself i don't understand how humans can kill other humans it's wrong and i don't condone it, but every human can be pushed to a limit and maybe snap and kill. But Hitler and the Nazi's killed in mass numbers some people who never affect them, or did out against them, so possesed would be a possibility here.

Overall i can say now i know Hitler was a very bad man, he killed many but he order them, if he was possesed or not is a argument we will never know, it's oppinion, he may of been possesed by the devilm but he may of been possesed with his passion to make germany great, to make a pure race of aryans.

What he was possed by passion, the devil, ambition, can be argued forever as it will be.

Hitler came to power because of the depression, no jobs, no money, germany in huge toruble needing change, the depression was caused by American and the wall street crash, without that then maybe Hitler would never of became leader as no one would of needed change as Germany before the depression was well and fine.

Maybe if the treaty of versaile wasn't so harsh Hitler wouldn't of rose up, sure they did bad stuff but it was harsh and it was always going to leave Germany with a abd taste in there mouth and in the back of there mind they'd alwaus be plotting there revenge.

Hitler was meant to be?

Yes, because of events that happened elsewere, you can do the what if the depression hadn';t happened would USA be as strong as it is now?

Would we have had millionms of Jews dead by the German nation?

What if is always going to happen as long as we continue to question what happened in the past, and why someone did what they did.

In conclusion i believe in god as i said, in a after life, i believe Hitler was true evil, and i don't however believe he was possed, it's possible but i do not believe. My reasoning is simple humans have the nature somewere inside to do bad things how bad is not known, it's all about how our brain functuions, but whether Hitler acted out of the devils orders, own personal vendeter, or even something as simple as he was told what to do by other shadow cabinet nazi's we'll never know....

As for Satlin, he was a dictator he wanted power, he wanted to rule the living world, and he wanted to push forwards communism, for me he wasn't possed by the devil but by ambition by hunger for more.
he killed millions building a damn or a cannal which was too small for what was planned, sure he cost millions there lifes in the Berlin raid in may 1945, but he was one of the ambitious men, and sometimes with ambition people go too far, and do anything to gain absolute power even if it means costing millions there lives.

Thats my view anyway.

Maybe Hitler was like the Mule in Asimoves Foundation books. He had a few probloms with people when he was younger(Jews) and used his talent and genius to lash out against millions. That coupled with the Anti-semitism was a ripe environment for revenge perhaps.

What i try to graple with is how soldiers in the german army could have commited such hainous crimes against people under Hitlers influence. Humans are like sheep and if one jumps off a cliff others will follow. Hitler was pure evil but his example clearly displays the power one individual will is capable of.

I don't know enough about Stalin to talk about him but i still believe that something other then human will at least sets the stage and leaves it up to human wills to act when the time is right.

As for demons,well, they are no body's fool it seems and still seem to remain safely hidden in the Devils favorite sin.

VANITY.

This is an interesting and curious article. I learned much... I'm glad that Pope Pius XII at least tried to do something positive to help stop the horrors.
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I wonder about the words 'consenting and willing' that they used in reference to an exorcism? I doubt a host of a full blown demon possession would have enough 'control' to give permission for an exorcism.

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"As for Satlin, he was a dictator he wanted power, he wanted to rule the living world, and he wanted to push forwards communism, for me he wasn't possed by the devil but by ambition by hunger for more."

I agree about Stalin. He killed more people than Hitler and most of the people he killed were his own citizens!
Japan also killed millions of innocent people and committed state-run atrocities every bit as bad as the Nazi atrocities.
The Allies killed hundreds of thousands of people by carpet-bombing cities, knowing full well that they were killing civilians as well as soldiers. The times were horrible. It was a desperate struggle between mighty powers and the ordinary folk suffered the most.

I've seen video of one ant nest invading another ant nest. Thousands of ants are killed. The victor nest kills all of the adults in the defeated nest, takes that nest's territory and all of its food and sometimes even takes the larvae to enslave them once they become adult. Are demons causing this? Of course not. Ants are doing it. Humans have far better weapons than ants have but they behave in the same way when they go to war. Demons are not needed to explain human evil. Humans are entirely capable of committing horrific evil without any supernatural help.

"I'm glad that Pope Pius XII at least tried to do something positive to help stop the horrors."

By performing long-distance rituals from the safety of the Vatican? The Pope should have been screaming at the top of his lungs against the wholesale murder of millions of innocent people! He should have used his political and popular power to convince Christian Germans that they were doing and permitting things that would make Jesus sob with horror.

The Pope may very well have calculated that speaking out against the Fascists would cause them to smash the Vatican to silence him. He may have decided that "going along" was better than speaking out. That may have been the right decision, I don't know. The Pope, however, deserves no credit for resisting Fascism, even if he did try a "remote-exorcism".

Well why did they follow?

Well the soldiers followed due to the fact that if they didn't they'd be shot or thrown in concentration camps and be gassed or made to work and die of exhustion. They may of not wanted to do it, but the fact is simple if they didn't they'd bekilled.

But why did all the army do this? Theres enough to over throw power?

To answer this you got to go back too indoctrination, the propoganda, it was everywere, on the radio, on posters you couldn't escape it not matter where you went. It ws up on walls down the streets, on trains, trams, everywere. So it had it's effect and the German's related to it and well took to it and it imprinted in there mind therefore causing this hatred and they went along.
As soon as the war was over most knew what had happened and they felt sorry, and guilty for how they could follow Hitler's evil.

So the soldiers also if they came up through the Hitler youth were indoctrinated from a early age to be 'Evil' to do things against nature, to beat up non members of the youth etc so they went into the army in most cases and took forward this belief in the 1000 year reich.
It's the main reason behind why most the soldiers followed Hitler, they believed in him, they loved him if you will, and wanted to take Germanny to becoming strong.

Was there a secondary reason to why they followed?

Yes. In world war 1 and such the Jewish people, business men took advanatge of the german people, they made money out of the war and them so whilst the Jew's where getting rich the German people were getting poor. This is one cause to why some believed what Hitler was doing and the Nazi's was right.



Good view point, but the difference between the allies bombing and the germans attrocities is that the German soldiers held up cities had them barraced and strongly defended, th allies knew going in on foot fighting would cost more lives than it would bombing them, hitting them with artileray so it's a which is the lesser evil. Killing innocent Germans or loosing troops like the number the russians did in Berlin.

But also another thing was the USA have done things similar to Hitler. The use of naplam and agent orange on innocent Vitamese, the slaughters at mei lei, bombing landscapes and shooting many innocents. They weren't trained for it i admit, and by the end of the vietnam war they were most on drugs but still they were soldiers who went in and killed some weren't under orders either.
Also the USA bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima these killed not only millions with the blasts, but killed millions with the aftermath, and still affect japan to this day. So the US can be said to have done this evil that could be put up to that of Hitler. But it can also be slated as self defense but how you can defend two a-bombs on Japan on innocent people can never be defened.

Us Brits aren't without blame for war crimes and evil happenings. Iraq our troops have beaten people, back in the colonial days we went over to American and killed countless numbers ofnative amercians taking there land.
We killed countless numbers ofinnocents increasing our empire, so every country near enough at some point has done evil. It's Human nature.



Okay this is one of them posts which goes totally against the facts, lets say the Pope did speak out he wouldn't of been able to change out, as the Nazi party like it or not made change in Germany, they did near everything they promised made jobs for the yumeployed, installed traditional values, this all is what they wanted thanks to the depression so in actual fact whether the Pope did or didn't speakout against the war crimes for me it wouldn't of helped.

The only time it would of helped is when Germany was loosing the war and the peoplehad lost faith, but still peopl supported them, this was mainly after Hitler made the deadly and stupid mistake of invading Russia, if Hitler would of looked back at Napoleon someone who was stronger than HJitler, had more power and infulence got crushed and caused the fall of his empire, so Hitler made the mistake they lost and they soon enough lost the faith and was soon beaten.

So if the Pope spoke out then he would of had more of an impact but it was pointless as germany was falling it was onlyu a matter of time before the total collapse.

me and hitler are just morally corrupt . thats about it . him and the jews never had good ties. what he did , by society's standards was wrong. by ancient society maybe not so much

The Jews did not have this money you speak of. That is a popular myth that has been investigated and proven false. My source is a book called- Understanding the Diary of Anne Frank.- That book investigates the reasons for Anti-Semitism as well. It says that less thern 1 percent of the population of the Jews had this financial advantage over the gremans. But since at least one or two of the jews had this they could easily say that this was so.

Well if you're source comes from a diary of a Jewish person in the time then i admit it maybe true, but it maybe also a bit biased. There were many high profile rich jews who did 'supposedly' make money off the pro war.

There are other reasons they did what they did, but this was a reason why it happened, as the propaganda used was part of the reason it became a big issue.
As i may of said before in that time there was posters, the anti semitism posters, and lots of different kinds everywere you wenty you couldn't escape it and it poison the minds if you will and they became anti-jew.