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name='itsnotoutthere' date='Sep 27 2006, 07:37 AM' post='1367127']
If there are such craft, why do you assume they are of alien origin?
I may be on the wrong side of YOUR fence indeed.
Their performance characteristics indicates an exotic flying machine whose advanced technology is not well understood in the realm of science and the fact those flying objects have been tracked on radar and other means exceeding velocities not yet reached by today's conventional aircraft in addition to their maneuvering capabilities not yet achievable by conventional aircraft as well. If we had such advanced technology we wouldn't be using chemical rockets or conventional propulsion systems of today.
UFO reality can't be denied because they have been tracked and recorded on just about every tracking device made by mankind. They have been photographed, video taped, tracked on airborne and ground-based radar and ELINT systems and space surveillance devices as well. Commercial and military pilots, air traffic controllers, police officials worldwide have confirmed reality of those flying objects, along with many politicians, intelligence and senior military officers and many military enlisted personnel. The Air Force had issued orders for its pilots to shoot them down and there have been attempts to do just that. The following is an example.
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INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE - VOLUME II
CHAPTER XXXIII
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS
DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS - USAF
UNITED STATES AIR FORCE ACADEMY
"More recently, on 24 July 1957 Russian anti-aircraft batteries on the Kouril Islands opened fire on UFO's. Although all Soviet anti-aircraft batteries on the Islands were in action, no hits were made. The UFO's were luminous and moved very fast."
" We too have fired on UFO's. About ten o'clock one morning, a radar site near a fighter base picked up a UFO doing 700 mph. The UFO then slowed to 100 mph, and two F-86's were scrambled to intercept. Eventually one F-86 closed on the UFO at about 3,000 feet altitude. The UFO began to accelerate away but the pilot still managed to get within 500 yards of the target for a short period of time. It was definitely saucer-shaped. As the pilot pushed the F-86 at top speed, the UFO began to pull away. When the range reached 1,000 yards, the pilot armed his guns and fired in an attempt to down the saucer. He failed, and the UFO pulled away rapidly, vanishing in the distance."
I might add that the pilot of that F-86 was severely reprimanded by his squadron commander for firing on that 'flying saucer.'
UFOs are not secret aircraft because they do not comply with international flight rules governing flight operations within controlled flight zones, not to mention they are witnessed everywhere around the globe where we do not conduct such flight test operations. Those who claim they are secret aircraft are not familiar with the way such operations are conducted. Secret aircraft are classified for a particularly good reason and to suggest that UFOs, which sometimes hover directly over cities or fly right through airport control zones without permission indicates that UFOs are not secret aircraft because even secret aircraft must abide by flight safety regulations as the following incident indicates.
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Bariloche UFO Incident, 1995
SAN CARLOS DE BARILOCHE 02/08 (AFP)
"On Monday morning, around ten eye-witnesses reported that, moving at high velocity and defying all known laws of physics, a white flying saucer perturbed the air traffic at the San Carlos de Bariloche airport, located 1 800 km S-W of Buenos-Aires, during 15 minutes on Monday to Tuesday night."
"The observation stated on Monday at 23:30 GMT (Tuesday 01H30 HB) while Aérolinas Argentinas flight 674, en route from Buenos Aires with 102 passengers and 3 crew members was on final approach to land on the runway of Bariloche airport, an in vogue winter resort located on the first slopes of the Andes."
"The pilot of the plane had to accomplish a desperate escape maneuver not to collide with an unidentified flying object (UFO)" said several members of the Argentine military air forces. These testimonies were confirmed by Major Jorge Oviedo himself who "also saw a UFO" and who stated that "a power failure occurred at the same time in the city and all recording and measure apparatus at the airport were jammed". Several inhabitants claimed they saw the UFO just before the power failure."
I first read about the Bariloche UFO incident in the San Francisco Chronicle.
We can now establish that the UFOs in question are not secret aircraft because they do not conform to international laws government flight operations, and once again, the characteristics of their performance capabilities as recorded via a number of detection systems also indicate that they are not conventional aircraft of any type either.
The Air Force has already admitted that UFOs are extraterrestrial spacecrafts as noted in its 1948 EOTS report, ATIC, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH and its 1952 Intelligence Report on UFO maneuvers. Then, we have AFR 200-2 and JANAP-146, which effectively controlled UFOs reports made by pilots in an effort to keep UFO aerial encounters from the front pages of newspapers. In other words, thousands of UFO encounters have taken place and the public was totally unaware of those encounters because of JANAP-146.
At one time, there was a federal law known as the ET Exposure Law, where you could be fined $ 5000,00 for coming in contact with an alien being and not many people knew that either.
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ET EXPOSURE LAW
"In July 1969, the ET Exposure Law was added to US law without public debate, a law that prohibits anyone to come into contact with a UFO or any aliens. If a person breaks this law, he or she can be fined up to $5000 (yes, _five_thousand_dollars_, approximately 3300 UK pounds) and be jailed for up to a year. On top of that, a NASA administrator is empowered to determine, with or without a hearing, if a person has been "extra-terrestrially exposed" and can impose that the person can be locked up in quarantine under armed guard for _any_ period of time."
"The decision cannot be reversed, not even by a court order, making the law completely against the American Constitution. The law also effectively makes anyone involved in a CLOSE ENCOUNTER a criminal. Since the law is in Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations, very few people know about it since you would have had to have gone through at least 1210 other laws in the book to find it."
The ET Exposure Law is now history I might add. I know as a fact that UFOs are real because I have witnessed a huge orange saucer-shaped UFO over Vietnam in 1968. UFOs over Vietnam were called, helicopters because the military didn't want the public to know what was really going on. I later found that another air base besides mine, had experience its own UFO sightings two years earlier.
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Viet Nam UFO Incident Uncovered
Nha Trang June 1966 "It came from the north and was moving from real slow to real fast...Some of the jet fighter pilots which were here...said it looked to be about 25,000 feet (in altitude) ... then the panic broke loose. It dropped right towards us and stopped dead still about 300 to 500 feet up. It made this little valley and the mountains around look like it was the middle of the day; it lit up everything."
http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/nhatrang.htm So yes, UFOs are very real and not of this Earth and I state that as a matter of fact, not only because of my own UFO sighting and those of my compatriots, but what history has shown and recorded in regards to UFO reality.