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Anukis
There are various theories about why are ET's visting earth over decades of periods now. Some say they want to say Earth from self distruction, some claim that its only for scientific reasearch and others think that they want to invade us, and some just dont believe they exist at all! Whats the truth? nobody truly knows...but here we have the oportunity to share our opinions.

http://aliensandchildren.org/InterviewwithProf.htm

I would like you to read this article and make an opinion. This professor states some awful statements, that if are true, are preety disturbing.

Personaly i took this with a pinch of salt. But it could be possible all the way. Still i don't have an opinion yet, im confused and doubtious about many things regarding ET s and their visits. I would like to think that they are here with peacefull intentions, but if they are so more advanced than us its possible that their intentions are not so good. Presume a human and a dog, its obvious the human will control the dog because its an inferior specie, i couldnt imagine a dog giving orders to a human rolleyes.gif

So what do you think...or better, what do you Beleive?
dmurdock36
If it is real there intentions are not to invade us or we would allready be slaves working for them. No if they are real then they have been here for a long long time and they havent done anything harmful to us yet. If they are real they are just observing us to see what messed up stuff we do next kinda like saturday morning cartoons. I can picture them sitting up ther in ther craft just laughing themselves sick over the stupid things we do.
Pax Unum
QUOTE(dmurdock36 @ Aug 31 2006, 08:43 AM) [snapback]1329832[/snapback]

If it is real there intentions are not to invade us or we would allready be slaves working for them. No if they are real then they have been here for a long long time and they havent done anything harmful to us yet. If they are real they are just observing us to see what messed up stuff we do next kinda like saturday morning cartoons. I can picture them sitting up ther in ther craft just laughing themselves sick over the stupid things we do.

if they (ET's) have been here a long time, why do abductee's claim they were examined and probed like a scientist would on a unknown species? after all, they should already know all about human physiology... or are they just trying out the newest model of anal probes?
Anukis
LOL that was funny indeed Pax tongue.gif maybe they have various models o f anal probes, and they are tasting the quality of each heheh rolleyes.gif

I think does ET s a something in mind for sure, call it a programme, call it a mission. i dont know. I think someday humanity will confornt them. Btw, anyone read the link i gave in my first post?? i think its interesting...anyone has an opinion about it?

Twitch98
We must realize that this is one man's concept and deductions based on possibly accurate or possibly flawed data. It would simply revolve around how any aliens perceive the human race- as an interesting species but inferior or as a race that has growth potential. After all, we view chimpanzes as animals even though they share 99% of our DNA!
dmurdock36
If I were an alien visiting this planet and seeing the things we are doing on earth and too this earth and each other, the main thing that would be on my mind is keeping us out of space because we are a truly evil species and I am sure they dont want us anywhere near them. As far as the abduction thing I find that hard to beleive its most likely just sleep paralysis, or maybe they are just trying to figure out what is wrong with us.
Never_Hit_Nirvana
I think this would make a kick-a$$ plot arc for a television series.
Wait a minute...
Damn you, Chris Carter!
Anukis
Actually everyone has his or her own theory. some are credible enough and some are less credible. I myself still cant decide what to believe. Why all this abductions? and why all this sightings?. If aliens are so advanced than us, why all this interest in an inferior specie?.
There is alot to ponder about..

This Jacobs insists that aliens have a programme, this is to create a hybreed race, half human, half alien. But why? is because aliens cant clone themselves anymore? or perheps because they want to create a powerful race (the powerful mind of an alien, and the strenght of a human body) disgust.gif ...and if so, would that mean an alien invasion?.
I dont beleive all the abduction cases we hear are genuine, tough if aliens are really abducting people, frequently, im begining to think that something is going on, and i don't know if that is good..or bad.


Raptor
QUOTE
Why all this abductions? and why all this sightings?. If aliens are so advanced than us, why all this interest in an inferior specie?.
There is alot to ponder about..


Maybe the same reason that humans go to the African Savannah to watch lions and other wildlife. Now that I think about it, from a lions perspective, if it were to be shot with a tranquilizer to be taken and get electronically tagged, that would be a lot like an alien abduction for a human. tongue.gif

But anyway, my opinion; aliens have never been to Earth. If they exist, it's on a planet very far away.
SOUL-DRIFTER
QUOTE(Anukis @ Aug 31 2006, 03:52 PM) [snapback]1330519[/snapback]

Actually everyone has his or her own theory. some are credible enough and some are less credible. I myself still cant decide what to believe. Why all this abductions? and why all this sightings?. If aliens are so advanced than us, why all this interest in an inferior specie?.
There is alot to ponder about..

This Jacobs insists that aliens have a programme, this is to create a hybreed race, half human, half alien. But why? is because aliens cant clone themselves anymore? or perheps because they want to create a powerful race (the powerful mind of an alien, and the strenght of a human body) disgust.gif ...and if so, would that mean an alien invasion?.
I dont beleive all the abduction cases we hear are genuine, tough if aliens are really abducting people, frequently, im begining to think that something is going on, and i don't know if that is good..or bad.

Perhaps we are the result, of a genetic experiment with Neanderthols, eons past.
They see how we live and decided we have too much primitive emotion in us.
They breed a race of hybrids to replace the waring volitile humans of the present.

Just a thought. grin2.gif
rapid7

I think David Jacobs is years ahead from most alien researchers. However I was a little disappointed in his book ‘The Threat’. Some of the witnesses sound far from credible, pushing even my super human ability to ‘suspend judgment’. lol laugh.gif
I’m talking specifically about the women who claimed they had sexual relationships with hybrid alien. Almost to the point of sounded like a mills and boon romantic novel, which I found incredibly annoying.

Anyway, I can say some of the description of these aliens (from the book), is accurate and also the way they communicate. So, even though I consider hypno-therapy far from reliable, at least in these regards it seems to be accurate.

Jacob’s overall theory relies on whether or not this alien hybrid program is actually real.
It’s beyond my experience so I can’t really comment. It’s also beyond the experience of anyone I know personally. I think, it's too important to get wrong.
Although in Jacobs defence he maintains there is no error in the data.
He only includes information into his scenarios, which has been separately mentioned by more than one abductee.
earthchick
QUOTE(SOUL-DRIFTER @ Aug 31 2006, 07:59 PM) [snapback]1330614[/snapback]


They breed a race of hybrids to replace the waring volitile humans of the present.




I'd say the experiment isn't going very well.
D is here
QUOTE(Anukis @ Aug 31 2006, 08:04 AM) [snapback]1329812[/snapback]

There are various theories about why are ET's visting earth over decades of periods now. Some say they want to say Earth from self distruction, some claim that its only for scientific reasearch and others think that they want to invade us, and some just dont believe they exist at all! Whats the truth? nobody truly knows...but here we have the oportunity to share our opinions.

http://aliensandchildren.org/InterviewwithProf.htm

I would like you to read this article and make an opinion. This professor states some awful statements, that if are true, are preety disturbing.

Personaly i took this with a pinch of salt. But it could be possible all the way. Still i don't have an opinion yet, im confused and doubtious about many things regarding ET s and their visits. I would like to think that they are here with peacefull intentions, but if they are so more advanced than us its possible that their intentions are not so good. Presume a human and a dog, its obvious the human will control the dog because its an inferior specie, i couldnt imagine a dog giving orders to a human rolleyes.gif

So what do you think...or better, what do you Beleive?


I read the article, thought about it for a few hours... and have concluded...

If, in his heart, Mr. Jacobs thinks there are truly hybrids and he knows where they are, why doesn't he just ask them what 'the agenda' is?
Mr. Jacobs seems to love to write and compile info, I'm sure he could write up a dandy survey with multiple choice questions. He could interview the hybrids about the answers and see what the majority thinks.

wink2.gif

Shadow_Wolf
QUOTE(Raptor X7 @ Aug 31 2006, 11:02 PM) [snapback]1330536[/snapback]

Maybe the same reason that humans go to the African Savannah to watch lions and other wildlife. Now that I think about it, from a lions perspective, if it were to be shot with a tranquilizer to be taken and get electronically tagged, that would be a lot like an alien abduction for a human. tongue.gif

But anyway, my opinion; aliens have never been to Earth. If they exist, it's on a planet very far away.


You are trying to be humourous, but take the analogy a logical step further, and consider the perception of a creature in a zoo or animal park when keepers/vets have to administer medical care and welfare. The creature may be separated from its pack before being darted; it may then be taken away to medical facilities for care and/or surgery, before being returned to its environment. The creature's perception of this would be very similar to the claimed abduction scenario; however the human keepers and vets have nothing but the creature's well being and welfare as their prime concern, they have nothing other than compassion and love for the creature - two very different perspectives...

makaya325
abductions i think might just be a undiscovered condition that people experience like maybe theyre just seeing ball lightning or simply making it up.
Hurrikane
Definitely going to try and get this guy's book...relationt to einstein anyone? laugh.gif

There is a lot of evidence going both way's in this subject towards the truth about abductions and that there is actually a thing called sleep paralysis. I however view that not all encounters can be sleep paralysis and think that there is more to it than a brain function. How can this person really know what's going on? Not once did he mention a true source in that whole ramble. If there are UFO's abducting people then why are they leaving signs, surely there's some sort of way if they're that intelligent to stop us from seeing and remembering them? Even if there isn't the fact still stands about what they're wanting with us?

**Thinks of South Park and how Earth is actually just a galactic reality show** I honestly don't know what they're doing and don't know if I am ready to know what they are doing, I hope it isn't a wotw thing.
kobie
well to a small degree "horse fesis"is wot i'll say... as anyone can gather information and put it together to seem factual or as a fundermental theory into realism...as i could add and say wot if as this greatly advanced civerlisation found a beautifal planet with a incredible diverese bio-sphere found the perfect adabtable mammal which already had the potential over others to evolve and sped it up by crossing sum important facters from there own genes "warelaa!" we have a beautiful creature a homo-sapheain to continue to adabt and evolve and they still test now because if we had the same tec advancement we would do it!thats a fact....go on! hit me with your books!
kobie
maybe as well as they continue there research...there is a whole galatical expanse of life to do this with and share the fruits of life as this is wot we are creationist....they maybe intriged as we may hold some other potentials or hidden desires that even they have not been gifted with either way we will end up doing the same thing playing god and finding that perfect world temming with life that we find that perfect creature to turn into a beast of knowledge!HA Ha.....
liokee
I read the article and found that Jacobs spends a fair amount of time laying groundwork for the day when this DOESN'T come to pass. He says something similar to, "I could be wrong/I hope I'm wrong." at least three times in his replies. I wonder if he's just an author, trying to keep the royalty cheques rolling in...

He also seems to think that when the alien plot unfolds and they descend, we as humans will be reduced to second-class citizens. He seems to think that this is a new and alarming theory. Maybe he should take a look at human history sometime - the whole world is and always has been run by class systems and conformists (grand-scale Communism, anyone?). I wonder if it would be all that different if the aliens decided to step in - maybe it would stop all the pointless fighting!

Jacobs also makes a big deal about how this alien invasion/hostile take-over of the Earth is a big secret, and we might buy ourselves some time by keeping quiet about it. Apparently, if the aliens think that we know nothing of their dastardly plan, "there's a way we can affect the program". Call me crazy, but somehow, I don't think publishing a book on the subject is the best way to keep a secret...
supercar
Considering all the wars and fighting that takes place here.....

Maybe aliens are breeding us as a warrior race,to someday fight their enemies.

Maybe aliens are encouraging wars on earth to keep us out of space.
Shadow_Wolf
QUOTE(supercar @ Sep 8 2006, 08:28 AM) [snapback]1341225[/snapback]

Maybe aliens are breeding us as a warrior race,to someday fight their enemies.

There was a very good Outer Limits episode that dealt with just this scenario - the twist in the tail was brilliant ohmy.gif
(Mt) Spirituality
QUOTE(supercar @ Sep 8 2006, 09:28 AM) [snapback]1341225[/snapback]

Considering all the wars and fighting that takes place here.....

Maybe aliens are breeding us as a warrior race,to someday fight their enemies.

Maybe aliens are encouraging wars on earth to keep us out of space.


According to ancient Sumerian texts, we were created by the Anunaki to mine for gold in African mines!
F-16 Falcon
They "want" to invade us? They've already proved to be more technologically advanced than us. They would have taken over the planet long ago if they were to invade us.
(Mt) Spirituality
Since this is my first post, I'd like to say hi to everyone and complement Anukis for her interesting post. original.gif Yes, I read the interview with Prof. Jacobs, thanks.

Now, I'd like to say that I have a lot of respect for Prof. Jacobs, Budd Hopkins and many others who do all this research for the benefit of the whole world and go through all the ridicule putting their careers and credibility at risk. They are truly unsung heros.

So first, we should try to establish whether the events are really happening, i.e. are abductions real or are they the products of sleep paralysis, hallucinations etc.? (I personally believe that if we are not alone in this Universe and that there are other beings who have evolved technologically so as to travel through Space, then abductions are obviously possible just like anthropologists go to study indigenous tribes in the jungles. By the way, for the tribes, we would be aliens believe it or not! So if you're on vacation in a tropical country, watch out for the spears and arrows. grin2.gif )

Anyway, if abductions are really occurring, the evidence does seem to suggest that in most cases 'they' don't want us to remember what happened. Why? Is it for our own good or is it bad? That is another question.
They seem to have some sort of ways of blocking our conscious recollections of the experience. Or else, it's our own mind that blocks out the memories - as a defence mechanism to block out any memories which could cause psychological damage to us. We don't know for sure. It could either or or both or none of these.
So, through hypnosis, these memories are supposed to emerge (since the unconscious is accessed). Now, it's important to note that hypnosis itself is still a controversial method of accessing the unconscious. (It is argued that false memories can be induced by the hypnotist knowingly or unknowingly into the mind of the person undergoing hypnosis.) However, many agree that at present, it is the best way we know of doing it.

Now I'll come to my own opinion. I think that just like there are good and bad people here on Earth, I believe there are good and bad ETs our there. (A galactic 'soap opera' if you will. grin2.gif ) I say ETs because I believe there are not one but many different races of ETs visiting the planet, as evidence suggests, and some of them are good, some are bad and some are indifferent. They all have their own agendas. Some might want to use us for making alien-human hybrids. On the other hand, others might be here to help us not to blow ourselves up with nuclear weapons and carry on evolving technologically. (Or maybe they're here for the beer, just like in the cartoon I once came across! grin2.gif )

Anyway, in my opinion, Prof. Jacobs seems to be concentrating only on the 'bad' aliens and seems to assume that these biological experiments are harmful to us, whereas we don't yet know whether they're for our own benefit or harm.

But I'm not saying he's wrong. I sure wish he was wrong, though because if indeed we are being used and abused by aliens, then it would be a real tragedy. However, I'm sure that one day we'll get to the bottom of this.
ohio tsunami
Why would an alien race really want to enslave the Human race? I believe they are here, but they want to keep thier distance.

For our great natural resources. In theory, ET's have been here for a long time, so they know how destructive we have been towards our own planet. Destroying the rain forests, polluting the oceans, burning way too much fossil fules, ultimatley destroying the planet. If these aliens are in need of any of our resources, then for them to invade us to try and take them would be out of desperation.

The alien hybrid theory is interesting, but flawed IMO. Look at it this way, why would these beings want to take a step back in thier evolution. It's obvious they have a far more advanced mind then we do. Would they want to add a part of the barbaric human race to thier exsistance and then have to use thier own resources to keep these hybrids in check?

Humanity is a volitle and immature race, the aliens have been watching us for centuries and have figured this out. If they were to invade, they have to understand that humans wont be so keen on laying down. There would be many casulities on both sides and for beings far from home this would mean possibly having to send for reinforcements which could take a while. We humans have the philosophy that if we can't beat our enemy then take them down with us. I think the ET's know this and feel the more they distance themselves from us, the better.

Jacobs interview is an interesting piece of work. I think he may need to sit back and look at what he is saying and put himself in the aliens shoes before stating theories that may lead to mass paranoria.
John Q Conundrum
QUOTE(Anukis @ Aug 31 2006, 10:32 AM) [snapback]1329870[/snapback]

LOL that was funny indeed Pax tongue.gif maybe they have various models o f anal probes, and they are tasting the quality of each heheh rolleyes.gif





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LOL ROFLMAO

That was funny, girl!
rapid7

QUOTE(Alienated Being @ Sep 26 2006, 01:33 PM) [snapback]1365842[/snapback]

They "want" to invade us? They've already proved to be more technologically advanced than us. They would have taken over the planet long ago if they were to invade us.


This old chestnut. Maybe they are already in control, maybe they see no reason to bother taking control but one thing’s for sure, this argument does not equate that the aliens are spiritually more advanced, full of brotherly love or have our best interests at heart.

btw I'm not directing this at you as such, just proponents of the argument in general such as Dr Greer.

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Twitch98
If aliens are here for evil purposes and they are as advanced as we've been led to believe then there's nothing we can do about it. That sound you hear is the fat lady singing. Till then I'm living my life a day at a time like always and will worry about things pertenent to my daily existence. original.gif
itsnotoutthere
Here's a suggestion thats really far out, perhaps aliens don't exist, & never have.
How about it's all in the mind! Perhaps some people lead such dull & dreary lives that they need something else to believe in. Perhaps some people want to believe so much, that they
will cling on to any old piece of made up drivel & use as proof to back up there psychosis.

just a thought thumbsup.gif
boemba
Lol, i didn't knew most things that where said here grin2.gif
Combined all the posts here you would get the following story:
Aliens created mankind to be some kind of warmachine. They 'cloned' a few humans and told them to multiply. In the meanwhile, they would play stratego with them. They would give them goldfever so they would allways be looking for prescious gold to build there weapons. Now and than they would 'abduct' some humans to see them evolve into smart, backstabbing, coldblooded killers, psychomaniacs etc... and insert probes in there asses to keep them monitored. In the old days they where busted and made them believe they where Gods. Fieuw close one there... They would probably leave crop circle's to let there fellow aliens know they allready checked out that place.

Maybe i should start writing a Sf-book or something! I just got to much damn immagination ^^
Aztec Warrior
If "they" were going to attack....what are "they" waiting for?
hidyaphrodite
I believe that they are the missing link in our DNA and that otherwise we'd still be covered in hair and picking lice from one another. They are here because we're family.
http://www.hidyscloset.com
skyeagle409
QUOTE
name='itsnotoutthere' date='Sep 26 2006, 08:54 PM' post='1366410']
Here's a suggestion thats really far out, perhaps aliens don't exist, & never have.
How about it's all in the mind! Perhaps some people lead such dull & dreary lives that they need something else to believe in. Perhaps some people want to believe so much, that they
will cling on to any old piece of made up drivel & use as proof to back up there psychosis.
just a thought thumbsup.gif


Considering that there are flying objects under intelligent control that have nothing to do with conventional aircraft, I would have to say that you are on the wrong side of the fence.
IamsSon
Given that some of the men who have spent the longest time investigating the UFO/Alien topic, such as Jaques Vallee, have come to the conclusion that "they" have not only been here for millenia, but that "they" are the same ones humanity has refered to as "the Little People", and even more interestingly, incubi and sucubi or just demons, and that it is more probable that these entities are interdimensional rather than extraterrestrial, I believe they are the angels which were cast out of Heaven after they rebelled and attempted to assist Lucifer in his attempt to usurp God.
Caana
Well, their not invading because that part has been done for a very long time. Why invade when you can infiltrate the various goverments and control the very people that control the rest of us.

If they have, then they are the source of RV infection that has plagued and destroyed us for so long. If you enforce an absolute on a population, you can keep it ignorent and unaware and in fear of it's own people, subjegating itself.{religion}

It would be simple things at first, take away the freedom of sensuality and sexuality, limit how people can enjoy themselve's, keep them{majority} working with just enough to get by for most, keep the semi weathy in check with high tax's and for those who they allow to get very rich that are outside the secret nation and their alien controllers, allow them the freedoms the rest of us don't have and use what they may do with that freedom to control their actions and for those where blackmail does'nt work, the threat of life and limb, their own and their loved one's.

There are examples everywhere and all through history of their degradation of our specie's, though bigger in body these days, the human race is both weaker in body as well as mind, after thousands of years of downgrades. I had to giggle over that maybe they want us as warriors. We used to be more then they could handle, thats why they made us weaker.

The next thing is life span, if you lived a thousand years say, would'nt you have a different sense of time and perspective? The alien scum certainly do have an agenda and to us would be considered a long played out one. They have the time and the power to do what they do at their own leisure. Also, if you lived a thousand years it would then be possable to travel to other star systems in your sector of the galaxy.

Some other points incorparate dimensonal theory. It has been noted that most of these ships are not very large, the majority of them are fighter up to cruiser class ships, by our own viewpoint due to what we know. What if the insides of those ships were larger then the outside's? tech can achieve many things. If you could generate a bubble around your ship with the chacteristics of atoms themselve's, then you could go anywhere, anywhen, as you would be outside time itself inside the atom bubble.

Another theory is that they come from another diminsion within our cosmic string, which itself is holographicly generated, the list goes on. One person whose post i read noted that they are here, does it matter where they come from? We need to deal with it and soon, but i'm afraid our own goverment won't let us, as well as certain segments of our society. We can forgive the certain segments that would prevent this, as it is what the've been trained to do without knowing.

Our whole society is geared for disbelief, even though more and more people are waking up, i'm afraid it will be a case of to little, to late. The next question would be, why so many different types of alien's? as well as story's of underground city's and aliens that can go through water like it's not even there, if they can do that then they can go through just about anything. An analogy for it would be that episode on the next generation where will riker had to recover that experimental cloaking device, if you remember the episode you saw how it went right through the asteriod as if it was'nt there.

The question of cloaking. How does the goverment seem to find out and accomplish some of what it does? besides the mundane oppressive crap we already know. If the goverment or the secret nation that rules it has cloaking tech, then we are all well and truly screwed.
How to keep a planetary population ignorent of what it does, just use cloak. So you see, all the talk about spirits and a god is the hogwash most know it for, planted and contrived.

Holographic tech already developed beyond what we know of it, could be responsable for a lot of things. I think the concepts of a solid hologram you can touch and feel and hear have already been developed outside of the science fiction shows. I have lots more, but you need to let me know if you want more. Interesting though is'nt it? I love writting things that tear up comfortable notions to some and seem horror fantasy's to others, because it's closer then the dribble most people have been given or told in the last 2000yrs here.

Anyway, there's some of my thoughts.
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Sep 27 2006, 02:56 AM) [snapback]1366828[/snapback]

Considering that there are flying objects under intelligent control that have nothing to do with conventional aircraft, I would have to say that you are on the wrong side of the fence.


If there are such craft, why do you assume they are of alien origin?

I may be on the wrong side of YOUR fence indeed.
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE(Caana @ Sep 27 2006, 05:15 AM) [snapback]1366976[/snapback]

Well, their not invading because that part has been done for a very long time. Why invade when you can infiltrate the various goverments and control the very people that control the rest of us.

If they have, then they are the source of RV infection that has plagued and destroyed us for so long. If you enforce an absolute on a population, you can keep it ignorent and unaware and in fear of it's own people, subjegating itself.{religion}

It would be simple things at first, take away the freedom of sensuality and sexuality, limit how people can enjoy themselve's, keep them{majority} working with just enough to get by for most, keep the semi weathy in check with high tax's and for those who they allow to get very rich that are outside the secret nation and their alien controllers, allow them the freedoms the rest of us don't have and use what they may do with that freedom to control their actions and for those where blackmail does'nt work, the threat of life and limb, their own and their loved one's.

There are examples everywhere and all through history of their degradation of our specie's, though bigger in body these days, the human race is both weaker in body as well as mind, after thousands of years of downgrades. I had to giggle over that maybe they want us as warriors. We used to be more then they could handle, thats why they made us weaker.

The next thing is life span, if you lived a thousand years say, would'nt you have a different sense of time and perspective? The alien scum certainly do have an agenda and to us would be considered a long played out one. They have the time and the power to do what they do at their own leisure. Also, if you lived a thousand years it would then be possable to travel to other star systems in your sector of the galaxy.

Some other points incorparate dimensonal theory. It has been noted that most of these ships are not very large, the majority of them are fighter up to cruiser class ships, by our own viewpoint due to what we know. What if the insides of those ships were larger then the outside's? tech can achieve many things. If you could generate a bubble around your ship with the chacteristics of atoms themselve's, then you could go anywhere, anywhen, as you would be outside time itself inside the atom bubble.

Another theory is that they come from another diminsion within our cosmic string, which itself is holographicly generated, the list goes on. One person whose post i read noted that they are here, does it matter where they come from? We need to deal with it and soon, but i'm afraid our own goverment won't let us, as well as certain segments of our society. We can forgive the certain segments that would prevent this, as it is what the've been trained to do without knowing.

Our whole society is geared for disbelief, even though more and more people are waking up, i'm afraid it will be a case of to little, to late. The next question would be, why so many different types of alien's? as well as story's of underground city's and aliens that can go through water like it's not even there, if they can do that then they can go through just about anything. An analogy for it would be that episode on the next generation where will riker had to recover that experimental cloaking device, if you remember the episode you saw how it went right through the asteriod as if it was'nt there.

The question of cloaking. How does the goverment seem to find out and accomplish some of what it does? besides the mundane oppressive crap we already know. If the goverment or the secret nation that rules it has cloaking tech, then we are all well and truly screwed.
How to keep a planetary population ignorent of what it does, just use cloak. So you see, all the talk about spirits and a god is the hogwash most know it for, planted and contrived.

Holographic tech already developed beyond what we know of it, could be responsable for a lot of things. I think the concepts of a solid hologram you can touch and feel and hear have already been developed outside of the science fiction shows. I have lots more, but you need to let me know if you want more. Interesting though is'nt it? I love writting things that tear up comfortable notions to some and seem horror fantasy's to others, because it's closer then the dribble most people have been given or told in the last 2000yrs here.

Anyway, there's some of my thoughts.


err........... hmm.gif
REBEL
I think what hes basically say'n itsnotoutthere, is there's a force 'thatisoutthere' that is and always has been conTROLLING our every day lives. I'm personnally hoping it's for the better and not the worst as Caana claims.
I've still got a few things in life i still want to do. alien.gifhuh.gifalien.gif
Atheist God
QUOTE(REBEL @ Sep 27 2006, 03:00 AM) [snapback]1367147[/snapback]

I think what hes basically say'n itsntoutthere, is there's a force 'thatisoutthere' that is and always has been conTROLLING our every day lives. I'm personnally hoping it's for the better and not the worst as Caana claims.
I've still got a few things in life i still want to do. alien.gifhuh.gifalien.gif


That has to be one of the most absurd things I have heard. Nothing controls your life but you. You have free will use it. Not to mention there is not a single shred of evidence to support this theory anyway.
REBEL
QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Sep 27 2006, 05:36 PM) [snapback]1367152[/snapback]

That has to be one of the most absurd things I have heard. Nothing controls your life but you. You have free will use it. Not to mention there is not a single shred of evidence to support this theory anyway.

If your replying to me,.....
Thanks for the tip! wink2.gif I'm as 'free' as i ever wanna be.
If your'e replying to the other bloke.
I thought that's what he was just doing,....using his 'free will'.
He's on here(forum)at his own 'free will' just giving us his 'theory only', about the possibility of humans being controlled by an outside force.
Right or wrong who friggin cares....Let the man xpress 'free thinking' & 'free speech'.
I think it might help not to take all too seriously,...if you get my drift. thumbsup.gif
skyeagle409
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name='itsnotoutthere' date='Sep 27 2006, 07:37 AM' post='1367127']
If there are such craft, why do you assume they are of alien origin?
I may be on the wrong side of YOUR fence indeed.


Their performance characteristics indicates an exotic flying machine whose advanced technology is not well understood in the realm of science and the fact those flying objects have been tracked on radar and other means exceeding velocities not yet reached by today's conventional aircraft in addition to their maneuvering capabilities not yet achievable by conventional aircraft as well. If we had such advanced technology we wouldn't be using chemical rockets or conventional propulsion systems of today.

UFO reality can't be denied because they have been tracked and recorded on just about every tracking device made by mankind. They have been photographed, video taped, tracked on airborne and ground-based radar and ELINT systems and space surveillance devices as well. Commercial and military pilots, air traffic controllers, police officials worldwide have confirmed reality of those flying objects, along with many politicians, intelligence and senior military officers and many military enlisted personnel. The Air Force had issued orders for its pilots to shoot them down and there have been attempts to do just that. The following is an example.

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INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE - VOLUME II
CHAPTER XXXIII
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS
DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS - USAF
UNITED STATES AIR FORCE ACADEMY


"More recently, on 24 July 1957 Russian anti-aircraft batteries on the Kouril Islands opened fire on UFO's. Although all Soviet anti-aircraft batteries on the Islands were in action, no hits were made. The UFO's were luminous and moved very fast."

" We too have fired on UFO's. About ten o'clock one morning, a radar site near a fighter base picked up a UFO doing 700 mph. The UFO then slowed to 100 mph, and two F-86's were scrambled to intercept. Eventually one F-86 closed on the UFO at about 3,000 feet altitude. The UFO began to accelerate away but the pilot still managed to get within 500 yards of the target for a short period of time. It was definitely saucer-shaped. As the pilot pushed the F-86 at top speed, the UFO began to pull away. When the range reached 1,000 yards, the pilot armed his guns and fired in an attempt to down the saucer. He failed, and the UFO pulled away rapidly, vanishing in the distance."


I might add that the pilot of that F-86 was severely reprimanded by his squadron commander for firing on that 'flying saucer.'

UFOs are not secret aircraft because they do not comply with international flight rules governing flight operations within controlled flight zones, not to mention they are witnessed everywhere around the globe where we do not conduct such flight test operations. Those who claim they are secret aircraft are not familiar with the way such operations are conducted. Secret aircraft are classified for a particularly good reason and to suggest that UFOs, which sometimes hover directly over cities or fly right through airport control zones without permission indicates that UFOs are not secret aircraft because even secret aircraft must abide by flight safety regulations as the following incident indicates.


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Bariloche UFO Incident, 1995

SAN CARLOS DE BARILOCHE 02/08 (AFP)
"On Monday morning, around ten eye-witnesses reported that, moving at high velocity and defying all known laws of physics, a white flying saucer perturbed the air traffic at the San Carlos de Bariloche airport, located 1 800 km S-W of Buenos-Aires, during 15 minutes on Monday to Tuesday night."

"The observation stated on Monday at 23:30 GMT (Tuesday 01H30 HB) while Aérolinas Argentinas flight 674, en route from Buenos Aires with 102 passengers and 3 crew members was on final approach to land on the runway of Bariloche airport, an in vogue winter resort located on the first slopes of the Andes."

"The pilot of the plane had to accomplish a desperate escape maneuver not to collide with an unidentified flying object (UFO)" said several members of the Argentine military air forces. These testimonies were confirmed by Major Jorge Oviedo himself who "also saw a UFO" and who stated that "a power failure occurred at the same time in the city and all recording and measure apparatus at the airport were jammed". Several inhabitants claimed they saw the UFO just before the power failure."




I first read about the Bariloche UFO incident in the San Francisco Chronicle.

We can now establish that the UFOs in question are not secret aircraft because they do not conform to international laws government flight operations, and once again, the characteristics of their performance capabilities as recorded via a number of detection systems also indicate that they are not conventional aircraft of any type either.

The Air Force has already admitted that UFOs are extraterrestrial spacecrafts as noted in its 1948 EOTS report, ATIC, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH and its 1952 Intelligence Report on UFO maneuvers. Then, we have AFR 200-2 and JANAP-146, which effectively controlled UFOs reports made by pilots in an effort to keep UFO aerial encounters from the front pages of newspapers. In other words, thousands of UFO encounters have taken place and the public was totally unaware of those encounters because of JANAP-146.

At one time, there was a federal law known as the ET Exposure Law, where you could be fined $ 5000,00 for coming in contact with an alien being and not many people knew that either.

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ET EXPOSURE LAW

"In July 1969, the ET Exposure Law was added to US law without public debate, a law that prohibits anyone to come into contact with a UFO or any aliens. If a person breaks this law, he or she can be fined up to $5000 (yes, _five_thousand_dollars_, approximately 3300 UK pounds) and be jailed for up to a year. On top of that, a NASA administrator is empowered to determine, with or without a hearing, if a person has been "extra-terrestrially exposed" and can impose that the person can be locked up in quarantine under armed guard for _any_ period of time."

"The decision cannot be reversed, not even by a court order, making the law completely against the American Constitution. The law also effectively makes anyone involved in a CLOSE ENCOUNTER a criminal. Since the law is in Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations, very few people know about it since you would have had to have gone through at least 1210 other laws in the book to find it."



The ET Exposure Law is now history I might add. I know as a fact that UFOs are real because I have witnessed a huge orange saucer-shaped UFO over Vietnam in 1968. UFOs over Vietnam were called, helicopters because the military didn't want the public to know what was really going on. I later found that another air base besides mine, had experience its own UFO sightings two years earlier.

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Viet Nam UFO Incident Uncovered
Nha Trang June 1966


"It came from the north and was moving from real slow to real fast...Some of the jet fighter pilots which were here...said it looked to be about 25,000 feet (in altitude) ... then the panic broke loose. It dropped right towards us and stopped dead still about 300 to 500 feet up. It made this little valley and the mountains around look like it was the middle of the day; it lit up everything."

http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/nhatrang.htm


So yes, UFOs are very real and not of this Earth and I state that as a matter of fact, not only because of my own UFO sighting and those of my compatriots, but what history has shown and recorded in regards to UFO reality.
G_Money
One theory for the 'Greys' that holds some weight in my book, is that they are actually a product of genetic engineering buy another race of human like beings only way further down the chain of evolution than ourselves.

The 'Greys' are somewhat human like, but more advanced in certain areas.

Flexible bones, but super strong (to withstand arduous space travel?).
Larger Lungs.
Enlarged Brains (for telepathic controll over the crafts?).
No waist system, they do not appear to eat food, but gain nutrience through some sort of outer skin. (maybe as they travel such long distances through space for such great amounts of time, they eradicated the need for food as we know it).

I read reports from the book: The Day After Roswell: A Former Pentagon Official Reveals the U.S. Government's Shocking UFO Cover-up

Reading Phil Corso's rendition of the autopsy reports, It all points towards the fact that these extraterrestrials are purely geared up for space travel.

The ships are controlled by a headband that sits on the 'greys' head. Electromagnetic waves produced from their brains then controls the saucers by some form of electro magnetic anti gravity propulsion.

I think there is too much information surrounding these 'grey' aliens for every single thing (video, text, photos) to be fake or a farse???

Why is it so hard to believe?




Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(kobie @ Sep 4 2006, 06:55 AM) [snapback]1335190[/snapback]

.they maybe intriged as we may hold some other potentials or hidden desires that even they have not been gifted with


Well, there is that piece that Sauru found where we turn our electricity we generate into photons and shoot it out through our fingers, feet, and forehead as photons.
That seems interesting, and since we have developed in a supernova hot bubble and are relatively close to our star, we might be more radioactive than most other intelligent species.
We also carry multiple viruses and bacteria in us and on us like walking bioweapons.
Twitch98
Hey itsnotoutthere, how come you make it your personal mission to add snide, almost unrealted comments to threads. You never say anything logical or constructive. No one solicits those sarcastic comments so why are you irresistably compelled to make them? Maybe the aliens are making you do it. original.gif
rapid7

QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Sep 27 2006, 08:06 AM) [snapback]1367152[/snapback]

That has to be one of the most absurd things I have heard. Nothing controls your life but you. You have free will use it.


laugh.gif Reminds me of Anthony Robbins.

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Get the edge II
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You're only in control so much, not even Anthony Robbins can stop death, meteors or aliens. To name but a few. It's all an illusion of ego.
REBEL
QUOTE(Twitch98 @ Sep 28 2006, 01:01 AM) [snapback]1367468[/snapback]

Hey itsnotoutthere, how come you make it your personal mission to add snide, almost unrealted comments to threads. You never say anything logical or constructive. No one solicits those sarcastic comments so why are you irresistably compelled to make them? Maybe the aliens are making you do it. original.gif

I think itsnotoutthere adds good humour to threads at times aswel, that cant be a bad thing.
It somtimes helps keep the topic moving with plenty of good laughs along the way. thumbsup.gif
Atheist God
QUOTE(REBEL @ Sep 27 2006, 03:34 PM) [snapback]1367854[/snapback]

I think itsnotoutthere adds good humour to threads at times aswel, that cant be a bad thing.
It somtimes helps keep the topic moving with plenty of good laughs along the way. thumbsup.gif


I agree with you....

People just need to lighten up and get a funny bone.... grin2.gif

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laugh.gif Reminds me of Anthony Robbins.


This is actually the first time I have heard of Anthony Robbins....I need to get out more lol

I agree with the second part of your statement we cannot control everything. But what I was implying is that when it comes to how you live your life when it comes to the decisions you make your free will gives you the choice to choose your own path. There is no God or universal powers controlling my every action I do and same with everyone else.

REBEL
QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Sep 28 2006, 06:56 AM) [snapback]1367920[/snapback]

I agree with you....

People just need to lighten up and get a funny bone.... grin2.gif
This is actually the first time I have heard of Anthony Robbins....I need to get out more lol

I agree with the second part of your statement we cannot control everything. But what I was implying is that when it comes to how you live your life when it comes to the decisions you make your free will gives you the choice to choose your own path. There is no God or universal powers controlling my every action I do and same with everyone else.

To me Anthony Robbin$ comes across as just a Benny Hinn with Hip & flare..... whos made alot money from peoples insercuretie$ about themselves & life in general.
Nothing you or i can't take care of ourselves. wink2.gif
His basic motto is ''Follow me & i''ll help you access your inner powers & make you filthy rich beyond your wildest dream$''...
Sound Familiar.
Scallion77
I just read the article, and he does make good points, however if aliens wanted to control earth and it's beings, why? And why not just use its obviously more sophisticated technology instead of such a slow process.

This could lead to the idea that maybe they are not a war-like race, because if they were indeed trying to intergrate and become 1st class citizens then they probably don't want to kill us off. A war like race would simply commit themselves to destroying a population.

Then there is the possibility that they are a sick race that wants to slowly destroy and demene us. Basically hitting us where it hurts: making us conform to a completely different lifestyle where you have a role and a sole purpose and no creativity in life. Pretty much trying to make us un-human.

Those are just two thoughts, but obviously there are more possible intentions of an alien race. But that still brings up the question of "why?" Why bother do all of this if it's all for intergration? Why would they have a desire to intergrate? Possibly to make us their worker bees?
rapid7

Interesting points, itlnstlon77 thumbsup.gif

Part 10: Differences Between Alien and Human Society


In human society, much of the quality of life is dependent upon the hearing mechanism. In a society based on telepathy, it must not be assumed that the aliens have lost their ability to hear through eons of evolution; their communicative abilities might well have evolved and developed as a normal part of their genetics (if, indeed, they have genetics). Thus, the non-hearing society would not have the benefit of the aesthetic world that comes with hearing. All musical forms (and perhaps dance), which enriches and fulfills our lives in innumerable ways and which are some of the earliest and most important artistic expressions for all human societies, would be nonexistent in a telepathic society. It means that the aliens might have no built-in aesthetic sense and/or inner emotions satisfied by rhythmic and melodic notes produced by patterned tones and beats.

The normal visual cues that both deaf and hearing humans rely upon for complete communication are, in telepathic communication, not present. The aliens do not use their hands to gesture expressively. The subtle and wide range of expression that humans can use -- cynicism, irony, sarcasm, drama -- seems to be limited for the aliens, and the range of communicative expression that comes from subtle facial movements is almost nonexistent. Abductees do not report the use of “body language” to communicate subtleties and nuance, although it is possible that aliens may have incorporated this into their telepathic communication without abductees being able to recognize it.

source http://www.ufoabduction.com/telepathy10.htm

Interesting essay. It's a tad long but worth reading over time.

Telepathy and Emotion in Alien Society by David M. Jacobs.

http://www.ufoabduction.com/telepathy1.htm




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