A typical retort to non believers when the 'big bang' theory is mentioned is ' yes but what was there before the big bang?' infering that everything has a beginning, if so then i think a valid question would also be 'what came before God?''

always was, always is, and always will be, God.

Who knows? Maybe God is just a being that is a conglomeration of energies, the gravitational pull of a black hole meets solar winds meets the force of a comet's impact on Jupiter. Maybe God is the first being, and as we possibly evolved, He evolved into consciousness.
A stupid answer, I know, but it makes as much sense as Cyclonus J's.

stages of my emotions as I read this.

Cyclonus J's isn't any sort of answer, more of a cop out

How is that a cop out ??? Cyclonus J is a chrsitan...its his belief...so now you are saying he is not entitled to give what he believes is truth??

If you only wanted answers from NON BELIEVER then why didnt you freaking state that...or did you intentionally make this thread ..KNOWING FINE WELL that religious people would give you that kind of answer...one that you can poke fun at....who the heck do you think you are??


here is my answer...There is no man alive can tell you what the heck came before God....how on earth can you get an accurate answer to that stupid question???

There is no real answer...get a clue and. do us all a favour....

You fail to mention what other theory believed by many scientists. It is known as the "Steady State" universe, in which the universe has existed does exist and always will exist. I guess you could think of it as both theories combined, the Big Bang started the universe we know today, and yet Steady-State as God has been here all along. If you would like more info post here or PM me and I'll send you some more stuff

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QUOTE(itsnotoutthere @ Aug 31 2006, 07:27 PM)

Cyclonus J's isn't any sort of answer, more of a cop out


How is that a cop out ??? Cyclonus J is a chrsitan...its his belief...so now you are saying he is not entitled to give what he believes is truth??

If you only wanted answers from NON BELIEVER then why didnt you freaking state that...or did you intentionally make this thread ..KNOWING FINE WELL that religious people would give you that kind of answer...one that you can poke fun at....who the heck do you think you are??


here is my answer...There is no man alive can tell you what the heck came before God....how on earth can you get an accurate answer to that stupid question???

There is no real answer...get a clue and. do us all a favour....





You could say that about 95% of all subjects on these boards.

But doesn't it make you sick to your stomach to think that -nothing- turned into -something- .. it does mine. It also makes me sick to my stomach to think that there is no end to the universe, and if there is, we obviously will never find it.

You really are a very angry person arn't you......why i wonder

Good point...

ditto

scientists now believe the big bang is perpetual, the universe grows like ripples in a pond, it eventually stops and starts to contract until it disappears, and the process starts all over again.

What i'd like to know is why did "God" leave it 200,000 odd years before informing us of his existence.

Hmm. Well Jewish mystics say it was Ain "No thing" then Ain Soph "Limitless light".

Egyptians say the primordial sea of Nu (chaos or no thing). Who God came into being from.

The greeks which if I remembered right there was the father of Chronos (sorta like Aeons to eary christians) who chronos killed then later got killed which made time no longer constant; so I guess A living Chronos was. Im not familiar with greek though.

I know in hindu, im dont know the names. But there was God who is Supreme Conciousness before him nothing for he is outside of time, and begining and end are children of time. And somthing about a string and vibrations and then you sitting at your computer creating this Topic.

But then again they could be all talking about the creation of life. So maybe God himself doesnt know. It was just there.
Sorta like who came first the Chicken or the Egg. I say the chicken cause I believe in a creator god. But some might say an Egg, if your into the big bang and no god creating the universe.

...Huh?

Would it be be...cause..most topics are about proof of God?? RELIGION is all about
Another thing if you want to quote ME....try clicking the reply button next time...as I amost skipped your post...when you click the reply button on the right hand side NEXT to the quote button...it will quote that persons post, that you wish to comment on ...there is a second add reply button too...but the one I am talking about sits next to the quote button...and it makes it easier to quote peoples posts....and it saves the hassle of copy and paste...

"There is no real answer to this post" can be said about a lot of posts on this board. Even things like "Are ghosts real?" "Are aliens real?" There is no real answer to those either, but people still come up with theories. Like this question, he is curious as to what people think about what was here before god, or if it is possible. I personally thought you telling him to stop making stupid posts was rude...

Anyways, back onto topic, I've thought about this question before also. It really kind of freaks you out to think about it, nothingness is impossible, it never existed.... weird. How can that be? Nothingness NEVER existed..... I think I'm gonna go puke now...

Me telling him to stop making stupid posts was not meant to be friendly...I was serious

He asks a question that people cant give an accurate answer to..its IMPOSSIBLE...so tell me was his comments to CY..not rude ?? calling it a cop out for an answer........why is this not rude to you?? Is it because you are a non believer??? if so AHA any wonder you are pouncing on me LOL biased I see

Goodthing I am not biased...I am not even religious but blimey...I can read what others are saying...and the christian that answered his post..was just saying what he BELEIVES.....what the heck was so bad about that??

This topic is stupid...cuz you will get the same freaking answers....

go something like...

Nothing was there..
God was always there

We dont know..its hard to prove anything

Or your answer -- Nothingness NEVER existed!!
over and over again....Nothing..god...nothing...god...god nothing... what else can anyone say...??

Have a guess where this topic will soon wind up?? it will sink...and sink fast...cuz NOTHING OR GOD was always there are the only freaking answers that it will get...unless you get a smart as* in to be funny about it all

This is the last I'm going to say, b/c I think ranting and arguing with someone w/in a post is extremely rude...

Can you give an answer to "Are ghosts real?" "Are aliens real?" ..... those questions appear a lot on this board, they are impossible to answer... all theories.

I think his intention was to get people to think, there obviously is no real answer.



I know this, this is why I said it was rude. Who tells someone to "stop making stupid posts" and is friendly about it? Who are you to say his post is stupid? If you don't have anything productive to say, then leave the guy alone...

Time does not apply to God, or the spiritual world. How can we really say that God has a beggining if we don't know what he is or where he is. If he is timeless and placeless then does time really apply to him. Until we can comprehend what God really is, that question should remain unanswered

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Time does not apply to God, or the spiritual world. How can we really say that God has a beggining if we don't know what he is or where he is. If he is timeless and placeless then does time really apply to him. Until we can comprehend what God really is, that question should remain unanswered

Why does everyone think god is a 'he'?

jk jk. I often do that also, honest mistake.

Good answer though...

I really hope everything is answered once we pass on

The answers to "What was before God-What is God-What is behind space-How can something come from nothing-is The Twilight Zone.

If we knew our little human brains would explode.

Everyonce in a while i get a terrified feeling when thinking about this stuff. Every once in a while i ask just where the heck are we all and what's going on?

It's an awesome thought that one day we might find these answers. I wonder what they are?

A book i read called the answers to these questions "The secret fire". In the end the book says, when the story of Earth is complete, at last all the roaming spirits both good and bad will gather in a great assembly and God will share the secrets and every life form will be given the understanding of the purpose of life and the reasons for there existence. From there our spirits will move on into the beyond. Beyond even the answers to these questions, and other questions will arise.

For now however the play couldn't go on if we knew too much.

Or it's just a dream and we one day wake up in some other life and go AHHHHHHHHHHh!

My problem with this is.... Everything has a cause right? Well, how did the universe come to be? Scientists agree that somethings started it(The bigbang), so the big bang must have a cause, but then that has to have a cause, etc......

Could something have really always existed? Time had no beginning and you can go back for an infinite amount of time and it's still there? I don't get it.


Wether the Earth is natural, or created, it's still confusing to me.... >.>

Something had no cause... how is that possible.


I'm honastly not sure if the human brain is evolved enough to learn the truth. We can't comprehend it.

NOPE...pardon the pun..but NOPE..I wont leave anyone alone that pokes fun at a christians honest answer calling it a cop out...funny thing you never noticed that ...did ya now??

NOPE you didnt..there goes that PUN again !!!!

"I am the Alpha and Omega".

Meaning, I have no beginning and I have no end.

The timeline goes infinite in each direction.

Why does it make you feel sick? Scared sick? Frustrated Sick? Like so many of life's unexplained mysteries, I find it fascinating and exciting, but not enough to make me feel unwell. A bit like death really. For example, in a very real sense, all that you are, came from nothing, and will return to nothing. I refuse to feel worried about returning to where ever i came from before my earthly existence. It wasn't too bad then and shouldn't be in the future.

God and the universe are sort of metaphors for each other. We can measure the effects of each, create a set of rules to live by for each, and yet not really understand either, particularly their origins.
Just as we can't really understand or define god, i don't think we are yet quite capable of defining/ understanding either the nothing or the some thing that you are speaking of.Perhaps one day we will have a better understanding of both. I have no doubt our minds are capable of comprehending both but most people dont have the tools to work towards this.

So let me ask you the same question.

What existed before the "big bang?"

Your answer would be this....

So therefore you would basically have the same answer just replace "god" with "universe" correct?

Yet if you said this it wouldn't be a "cop out," to the original question?

The universe has always existed along with God as its "gaurdian". That make any sense?

The first modern humans appeared on earth around 250,000 years ago, Why didn't an Abrahamic monotheistic God reveal his presence from the beginning.

Isn't that the very essence of these boards? Ghost....nothing ...... UFO.......nothing...... nothing on these boards can be proven.
I think millions of years of evolution went on before "God" he only came into existence when man desired it.

I like this reply a lot...

Especially the part I put in bold... I wonder if God even knows what was before him?

Maybe, just maybe, there is a completely different religion in the spirit world (heaven/hell) and everyone worships another there.... how could anyone explain how nothing turns into something? You cant!

I mainly have a problem with the idea of something not having a cause more than something coming from nothing... at least that part can sorta make sense to me. Quarks vanish.. and then come back, wich basically looks like something coming from nothing... but always existing? Blah! My brain hurts.....

Here's how I see the original question: Something physical such as a Big Bang needs a beginning before that. Something non-corporeal, not bound to these laws needs no such thing. God being such (many Faiths even say God created those physical laws in the first place), it need not necessarily require a beginning, like a physical thing needs a beginning.

That's how I view it at least.

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calm down, take your mogadon

Can't really blame anyone for freakin out in discussions like this. It's frustrating and everyone knows that no one knows and everyone has an opinion that they know is futile to explain God. It is endless and without boundries. Well beyond human language. I'll bet the idea the answers might contain wouldn't even be able to be processed by the human brain.

Or if one did they would explode into an energy beam of light and become one with the universe. Humans and answers like that just don't mix well.

For someone who thinks this is a stupid question it seems to have pressed some of your buttons. so far you have posted 5 times on a topic you deem worthless.

Here's a tip, if you don't like the topic ..butt out. do something else you think more worthy of your time, others on this thread have obviously asked themselves the same question.

Putting it into words is simple, but actually grasping the idea is impossible for me..... Something always existing... >.>

well im gussing that they werent developed enough mentaly to comprend god and couyld they even talk let alone spread the word of god it would be pretty hard to try to explain to a bunch of really smart monkyes God and everything about him by hand actions. well id wait untill they can talk before i tell them them but thats just me.

God always has been, and he always will be. Mortal minds such as us cannot understand the existence of him.... but tell me... what came before the big bang anyway?

but if God is all powerful then he would be able to make them understand what he was saying, or know how to put it into a form that they would be able to comprehend.

I'm agnostic in belief, and I think that's a valid point, but maybe God didn't want people to know about Him. I mean (assuming His existance) if He knows everything, He probably knew that people would fight in His honour, and I guess He wouldn't want that - and it was Jesus (who may or may not have been his son) who gave them the information when He thought they could handle it...

well, personally i dont believe jesus was the son of god, actually i dont believe in the Judeo-Christian version of god so i really cant say, but than again i could be wrong, assuming Jehovah's (thats his name right? lol I dont know this stuff) existence he could have just not wanted people to know.

Well looking now, it could have been that Jesus actually hurtled religion back - because until then people believed what they came up with themselves (well - their people long ago) and now one guy comes along, and they're all supposed to accept that? Well obviously, they didn't, and spent two millennia fighting about it.

An implosion the remnants of the big bang before that, perpetual motion? what's fuelling it? now if man could work that one out the troubles of the world would be over.

I used to be an agnostic, but i'm not so sure now

Interesting... what made you change your opinion/view/belief? Our half-thought out theory about Jesus being bad for the world? Wow...

God could be just an Extremely Powerfull being that has the power to creat life, hell god could be part of his own civilization like we are.....

every thing that has a BEGINING has a cause, God is ETERNAL. He has no start no 'cause' and no end he just is. Or as he explains " I AM" he just is.

So there was nothing before God then?

The term 'before God' does not exist in truth.