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itsnotoutthere
Question:-

If in the future we did make contact with aliens that were far in advance of us, & they didn't believe in a higher being (God) would it have any effect on our beliefs?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(itsnotoutthere @ Sep 1 2006, 02:07 AM) [snapback]1330757[/snapback]

Question:-

If in the future we did make contact with aliens that were far in advance of us, & they didn't believe in a higher being (God) would it have any effect on our beliefs?

IMO............NOPE...it wouldn't matter what they believed in........but then again I dont care who believes in God and who doesnt...I just believe..my beliefs would be still as they are today...kept to myself...

I cant say aliens exist.or not.......but its rather ignorant to think we are the only beings in this entire universe...its a big universe...and if God created it...I cant imagine as to WHY he would only put life on one of the smallest of planets - Earth as we know it


For all I know..on other planets they might worship a higher being or beings for that matter...

I am a FIRM believer in evolution...one that I believe God is responcible for..but regardless of what the bible says...IMO we evolved...so I guess MAYBE on other plantets other beings have evolved.........so IF in the future...these beings came to earth...it would shock us...but if later we found they dont believe in God...It would be no skin off my nose lol
But I can just imagine how some religious folk would do to convert them w00t.gif
Imaginary Friend
To answer the original question. No. I figure they are more technologically (and hopefully, socially) advanced than we, but that doesn't mean they know more than what we do in our faiths across this planet. Though I'd be tickled pink to sit down with them and find out what they do think, with respect to what ever faith or ideas of that which is responsible for their being created. And maybe if their captain is cool, they'll let me drive one of those UFO's!

Wooo Hooo !!! user posted image Beam me up Scotty, I never lost a street race in all the years I ran 'em, just let me open that baby up one time in warp drive and I'll die happy. user posted image Hopefully not all at the same time, though. That would sorta put a kink in the chuckle. crying.gif laugh.gif
exeller
It would affect me. I mean if God really did create the universe, then he should tell all his creatures advanced enough to understand him about his existence hmm.gif

The only reason why God wouldn't tell them he exists is if the aliens were like really stupid.
Amalgamut
QUOTE(itsnotoutthere @ Aug 31 2006, 08:07 PM) [snapback]1330757[/snapback]

Question:-

If in the future we did make contact with aliens that were far in advance of us, & they didn't believe in a higher being (God) would it have any effect on our beliefs?

Not mine. I think there are many scriptures in the bible that would suggest that these "beings" were unholy.
Ichigo
Anyone believe that maybe the "God" thats in the bible is actually an Alien? I believe so, there is always the question: then who created the aliens? it doesnt matter it goes the same for who created "God" grin2.gif
Imaginary Friend
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Sep 1 2006, 04:12 PM) [snapback]1331232[/snapback]

Not mine. I think there are many scriptures in the bible that would suggest that these "beings" were unholy.

Please, I'd be interested in hearing which scriptures you would be referring to. original.gif alien.gif
zandore
QUOTE(Imaginary Friend @ Sep 1 2006, 08:46 AM) [snapback]1331432[/snapback]
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Sep 1 2006, 02:42 AM) [snapback]1331232[/snapback]

Not mine. I think there are many scriptures in the bible that would suggest that these "beings" were unholy.

Please, I'd be interested in hearing which scriptures you would be referring to. original.gif alien.gif

**Leans forward with interest**

alien.gif
dixiepixie
To answer the question, I would continue on with my belief in God. Aliens would have no affect on that. As far as the comment that aliens are evil creatures in the bible...Depending on interperation(and this is mine) wasn't Ezekiel approached by creatures that could be aliens...and didn't he leave with them...again, My interpertation.
Ichigo
"God" is also a little evil http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...p;#entry1331667
Amalgamut
QUOTE(Imaginary Friend @ Sep 1 2006, 07:46 AM) [snapback]1331432[/snapback]

Please, I'd be interested in hearing which scriptures you would be referring to. original.gif alien.gif

I will give a few one's here..

Made Alive in Christ

1As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. (Ephesians 2:1-2)

Kinda odd scripture here. This is talking about Satan. Satan is known as the "ruler of the kingdom of the air".

Now, why would he be labeled this? Why would he be a ruler of this "kingdom of the air?"

He has power over the air. Airplanes crashing into buildings, being hijacked, exploding in mid air....you name it. The air is the devils playground. It's his kingdom that he rules.

What else comes from the air? You guessed it. alien.gif (And I dont mean God Zandore!)

Here is another one...

12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

We again see there is some form of evil and power in the "heavenly realms."(and I don't mean God Zandore w00t.gif )

Hmmm...evil in heavenly realms? What does this mean here? Could it be....... alien.gif ?

I have more if you like. There are many more.

It all started in Genesis 6:4 and it will end in Revelation. The Nepilim have been around for thousands of years and continue to do what they did long ago. Except now it's not only just women.


zandore
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Sep 1 2006, 02:59 PM) [snapback]1331954[/snapback]

12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Wait just a moment.....Heaven....is that by chance where God dwells?

There is "evil in the heavenly realms"?

So does that mean that God......
Amalgamut
QUOTE(zandore @ Sep 1 2006, 02:15 PM) [snapback]1331969[/snapback]

Wait just a moment.....Heaven....is that by chance where God dwells?

There is "evil in the heavenly realms"?

So does that mean that God......

Thats why I specifically said
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(and I don't mean God Zandore)

I'll stop giving these if you aren't going to take me seriously.
zandore
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Sep 1 2006, 03:21 PM) [snapback]1331974[/snapback]

I'll stop giving these if you aren't going to take me seriously.

Hey you were the one that said this....not me

QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Sep 1 2006, 02:42 AM) [snapback]1331232[/snapback]

Not mine. I think there are many scriptures in the bible that would suggest that these "beings" were unholy.

Amalgamut
QUOTE(zandore @ Sep 1 2006, 02:32 PM) [snapback]1331983[/snapback]

Hey you were the one that said this....not me

Hey you are the one that asked.

If you maybe opened your mind a little bit you would understand. But yours is shut like a steel trap and won't open.

You may think God is evil and what not but this is clearly referring to some other evil in a heavenly realm.
The title of the scripture is...

"The Armor of God"
Why would God write a scripture and say...

"Follow me and wear my armor because our struggle is against evil in the heavenly realms, so this means me, and this also means that I am making no sense because I just told you to follow me and wear my armor but I just told you that I was evil, oops". rolleyes.gif
zandore
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Sep 1 2006, 03:44 PM) [snapback]1331993[/snapback]

Hey you are the one that asked.

Check the thread and see who asked for the verses thumbsup.gif


QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Sep 1 2006, 03:44 PM) [snapback]1331993[/snapback]

If you maybe opened your mind a little bit you would understand. But yours is shut like a steel trap and won't open.

w00t.gif
I am saying the samething about you.

BTW: If my mind was like a "steel trap"....why would I have quit religion?
Dispite what you may think about me....I was and still am open to NEW ideas and the key word in 'NEW'. You have yet to say anything that is new.


QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Sep 1 2006, 03:44 PM) [snapback]1331993[/snapback]

You may think God is evil and what not but this is clearly referring to some other evil in a heavenly realm.
The title of the scripture is...

I read that verse and did not see where it was "clearly referring to some other evil in a heavenly realm". It only mentions "Heaven".


QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Sep 1 2006, 03:44 PM) [snapback]1331993[/snapback]

"The Armor of God"
Why would God write a scripture and say...

Why don't God just snap his fingers and get rid of all the evil......if he could.
Amalgamut
QUOTE(zandore @ Sep 1 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]1332018[/snapback]

Check the thread and see who asked for the verses thumbsup.gif
w00t.gif

You wanted to know just like IF who asked.
QUOTE(zandore @ Sep 1 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]1332018[/snapback]

I am saying the samething about you.

I believe in evolution AND a God.

You just believe in evolution.
QUOTE(zandore @ Sep 1 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]1332018[/snapback]

BTW: If my mind was like a "steel trap"....why would I have quit religion?
Dispite what you may think about me....I was and still am open to NEW ideas and the key word in 'NEW'. You have yet to say anything that is new.

I thought you quit because the bible says you shouldnt smoke...

QUOTE(zandore @ Sep 1 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]1332018[/snapback]

I read that verse and did not see where it was "clearly referring to some other evil in a heavenly realm". It only mentions "Heaven".

I'm sorry you don't understand it.

QUOTE(zandore @ Sep 1 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]1332018[/snapback]

Why don't God just snap his fingers and get rid of all the evil......if he could.

The day and hour was set long ago.
Lady Warrior Ravynwynn
I couldn't deny what I know to be true in every part of my mental, spiritual, emotional being, including my physical body, that God is real and there is no way that could ever change.
Amalgamut
QUOTE(Lady Warrior Ravynwynn @ Sep 1 2006, 10:41 PM) [snapback]1332509[/snapback]

I couldn't deny what I know to be true in every part of my mental, spiritual, emotional being, including my physical body, that God is real and there is no way that could ever change.

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kimberly4748
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Sep 1 2006, 01:59 PM) [snapback]1331954[/snapback]

I will give a few one's here..

Made Alive in Christ

1As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. (Ephesians 2:1-2)

Kinda odd scripture here. This is talking about Satan. Satan is known as the "ruler of the kingdom of the air".

Now, why would he be labeled this? Why would he be a ruler of this "kingdom of the air?"

He has power over the air. Airplanes crashing into buildings, being hijacked, exploding in mid air....you name it. The air is the devils playground. It's his kingdom that he rules.

What else comes from the air? You guessed it. alien.gif (And I dont mean God Zandore!)

Here is another one...

12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

We again see there is some form of evil and power in the "heavenly realms."(and I don't mean God Zandore w00t.gif )

Hmmm...evil in heavenly realms? What does this mean here? Could it be....... alien.gif ?

I have more if you like. There are many more.

It all started in Genesis 6:4 and it will end in Revelation. The Nepilim have been around for thousands of years and continue to do what they did long ago. Except now it's not only just women.


In my opinion I would say:
Ephesians 6:11 that you quoted should be read in full. Each one of us use a different bibles so here is what mine states.
Put on the whole armour of god, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of the world, against the spiritual wickedness in the high places (do you think this would be meaning government? The people who make the major decision of what happens to the people). 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of god, that ye may be able to withstand the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, which is the word of god:
I interpret this differently then you. I see this as meaning that one day we will have to stand up for our beliefs. Each different religion or belief can be interpreted as being spiritual. It may be an expression for life perceived as higher, more complex or more integrated with one's worldview, as contrasted with the merely sensual. Then original.gif he tells us to put on our armour metaphorically speaking. Not real armour but our spiritual armour. Again this is my opinion
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(itsnotoutthere @ Sep 1 2006, 11:07 AM) [snapback]1330757[/snapback]

If in the future we did make contact with aliens that were far in advance of us, & they didn't believe in a higher being (God) would it have any effect on our beliefs?
I'd say probably not. It might if and/or when we met such a being, but as it stands now, it probably wouldn't change my mind.

Can i throw the question back at you now? If in the future we did make contact with aliens that were far in advance of us and they DID believe in a higher being (God) would it have any effect on your beliefs?
zandore
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Sep 1 2006, 05:58 PM) [snapback]1332162[/snapback]

You wanted to know just like IF who asked.

I have heard so many Christians here laugh at the thought of aliens in the Bible.....I was amazed you had the nerve to mention what you did! wink2.gif

QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Sep 1 2006, 05:58 PM) [snapback]1332162[/snapback]

I believe in evolution AND a God.

You just believe in evolution.

I thought you quit because the bible says you shouldnt smoke...

Evade and deflect rolleyes.gif



QUOTE(Lady Warrior Ravynwynn @ Sep 1 2006, 11:41 PM) [snapback]1332509[/snapback]

I couldn't deny what I know to be true in every part of my mental, spiritual, emotional being, including my physical body, that God is real and there is no way that could ever change.

From how the OT portrays God (the sadistic ritualistic violence).....this is a very scary thought.
Amalgamut
QUOTE(zandore @ Sep 2 2006, 06:33 AM) [snapback]1332789[/snapback]

I have heard so many Christians here laugh at the thought of aliens in the Bible.....I was amazed you had the nerve to mention what you did! wink2.gif


Do you believe that aliens exist?
Amalgamut
QUOTE(kimberly4748 @ Sep 2 2006, 03:30 AM) [snapback]1332682[/snapback]

Not real armour but our spiritual armour. Again this is my opinion

Yes I think this too.
zandore
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Sep 2 2006, 03:58 PM) [snapback]1333223[/snapback]

Do you believe that aliens exist?

Do I believe life on a different planet (in this system or outside of it).....without hesitation yes!
There are 100 billion (100,000,000,000) stars in our galaxy......and billions upon billions of galaxies out there. To think we are the only ones.....would be very narrow minded.
kobie
yes if you could grasp the diversity of it all and the extreme vast expanse of it all yes,they very much do exsist as i and you do....as for them being satans followers i doubt that....like us as a civerlisation on this planet we are multi-complex in balances....positive/good..neutral...negative/bad a trinity of universal law....these aliens/civerlisations would most probably be the same with there own belifes/values and because of the calculated amounts of possible life out there they will be an number of good and bad intentions...any one can label antone and thats not fair...with attitudes of there satan dwellers will get us nowhere but more striffe and distrust...common in human nature...acting like.....burn the witch!she floats! w00t.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(zandore @ Sep 3 2006, 12:35 PM) [snapback]1333959[/snapback]

Do I believe life on a different planet (in this system or outside of it).....without hesitation yes!
There are 100 billion (100,000,000,000) stars in our galaxy......and billions upon billions of galaxies out there. To think we are the only ones.....would be very narrow minded.

Excellent answer
liokee
I'd like to say that if we met with aliens and they DIDN'T believe in a higher power, it wouldn't change my beliefs. How would that be all that different from meeting with an atheist? Just because aliens are more technologically advanced, it doesn't mean that they know everything - that would make them gods, on their own, wouldn't it?

That said, if we met with aliens and they DID believe, it would make for a VERY interesting conversation, that's for sure. Much the same as meeting with someone who doesn't share your personal religious views.

Here's another thought, though. How would your personal beliefs be affected if aliens did make contact, and actually subscribed to a religion practised here on Earth? Especially if it were a religion that you, yourself, don't subscribe to?
zandore
Welcome Liokee to the UM forum.

QUOTE(liokee @ Sep 5 2006, 12:08 PM) [snapback]1336995[/snapback]

Here's another thought, though. How would your personal beliefs be affected if aliens did make contact, and actually subscribed to a religion practised here on Earth? Especially if it were a religion that you, yourself, don't subscribe to?

There are literally thousands of different religions so if aliens were to land and start practicing an earthling religion....chances are it would not be a form of Christianity.

EDIT: Forgot to give a link to a list: Webpage
liokee
QUOTE(zandore @ Sep 5 2006, 11:00 AM) [snapback]1337074[/snapback]

Welcome Liokee to the UM forum.


There are literally thousands of different religions so if aliens were to land and start practicing an earthling religion....chances are it would not be a form of Christianity.

EDIT: Forgot to give a link to a list: Webpage

Hi Zandore, thanks for the welcome!

I realize that there are innumerable religions on Earth, I was more just wondering in general. I didn't mean to pick a particular religion for the aliens to practise in this instance, more just how it would affect each person's personal views regarding their own religions.

I guess I also wasn't very clear, but I meant what would happen if the aliens arrived, already practising this established Earth-religion?
kobie
Hi liokee...well just a quick snippet.....but i dont think it would change much of wot people react like to our own....even though people would be intrested to know....i certaintly would want to investigate....

....imagine wot fanatics would react like....devilsssss w00t.gif fallen angles w00t.gif the scum of satan....!
Unforgiven
I know a few christians, whom if aliens were discovered believers or not / intelligent or not. it would shatter their faith like a crystal ball.
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