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girty1600
Police: Girl, 11, sexually assaulted by 20 boys
POSTED: 9:52 p.m. EDT, September 7, 2006


MILWAUKEE, Wisconsin (AP) -- An 11-year-old girl was sexually assaulted by as many as 20 boys as a 16-year-old girl watched and told her what sex acts to perform, authorities say in the latest mob attack to rock Milwaukee and set off another round of civic soul-searching.

"It almost leaves me speechless. It is just senseless acts of violence. It is inhumane. It is embarrassing to the city of Milwaukee and its people. ... There should be outrage," Barbara Nuell-Moore, director of the neighborhood-improvement group Project Respect.

The 16-year-old girl and a 15-year-old boy have been charged in juvenile court in the attack, which authorities said took place on Monday in a house on the city's north side. A 40-year-old man who also had sex with the child may also be charged, authorities said.

As for the others, "we're dealing with a lot of nicknames so we're trying to track down these people," said prosecutor Matthew Torbenson.

Numerous violent crimes have shocked the city this summer, starting with a Memorial Day weekend in which 28 people were shot.

Homicides overall are down this year, but two other categories of violent crime are up from 2005 -- assaults by 22 percent and robberies by 36 percent, Police Chief Nan Hegerty told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Hegerty's spokeswoman said the chief had no comment on the alleged gang rape.

According to court papers, the 11-year-old girl told police she was interested romantically in the 16-year-old girl, who looked and dressed like a boy.

The alleged victim and two friends went to the 16-year-old's house, where the child performed oral sex on three teenage boys, according to court papers. The 40-year-old uncle of the 16-year-old admitted he also had sex with the 11-year-old and told police that the 16-year-old was directing the child, the papers said.

The 11-year-old then went to the basement, where there were about 15 males and she told police she "began to choose who she wanted to perform oral sex on," court papers said.

The 16-year-old told police that the 11-year-old had told her she wanted to perform oral sex on the boys in the house. The 16-year-old denied encouraging her.

The 16-year-old girl and the 15-year-old boy were charged with being a party to sexual assault. Torbenson said he will probably seek to have them tried as adults.

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AtlantisRises
Hopefully they end up in jail for the rest of there lives.

Reading that left me speechless with anger and i hope they find all the bastards who were there.

The 40 year old uncle should get the death penalty.

Raping an 11 year old girl. I could shoot them myself
MadMachine
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According to court papers, the 11-year-old girl told police she was interested romantically in the 16-year-old girl, who looked and dressed like a boy.

The alleged victim and two friends went to the 16-year-old's house, where the child performed oral sex on three teenage boys, according to court papers. The 40-year-old uncle of the 16-year-old admitted he also had sex with the 11-year-old and told police that the 16-year-old was directing the child, the papers said.

The 11-year-old then went to the basement, where there were about 15 males and she told police she "began to choose who she wanted to perform oral sex on," court papers said.

The 16-year-old told police that the 11-year-old had told her she wanted to perform oral sex on the boys in the house. The 16-year-old denied encouraging her.


While children having sex is stupid and immoral in my opinion, this area of the post makes me wonder if it was really "rape."
Shivel
I'm glad I'm not the only person who fails to see how this is to be considered rape. I fail to see how this is even assault, for that matter.

It honestly sounds as if the girl wanted to do these things, and there was no admitted force involved.

Though, having said that, this story is very sick and I think they are taking very appropriate measures. hmm.gif
dixiepixie
QUOTE(JayMan895 @ Sep 8 2006, 03:11 AM) [snapback]1341256[/snapback]

I'm glad I'm not the only person who fails to see how this is to be considered rape. I fail to see how this is even assault, for that matter.

It honestly sounds as if the girl wanted to do these things, and there was no admitted force involved.

Though, having said that, this story is very sick and I think they are taking very appropriate measures. hmm.gif


Although it may not be considered "rape" in the technichal sense. She was a child...not a stupid teenager with raging horemones, but a child. She has had her innocence lost, and can never go back to being what she should , just a little girl. So if anything her mind and innocence were raped.

But I would like to know what parent lets an 11 year old "hang out" with 15 & 16 yrolds. I NEVER let my son hang aroung kids who were in high school when he was that age. For that very reason!!!! I shall step down from the soap box...JayMan..that was not a personal attack, please take no offence at the mad rages of a MOM!
coldethyl
QUOTE(AtlantisRises @ Sep 7 2006, 10:26 PM) [snapback]1341099[/snapback]

Hopefully they end up in jail for the rest of there lives.

Reading that left me speechless with anger and i hope they find all the bastards who were there.

The 40 year old uncle should get the death penalty.

Raping an 11 year old girl. I could shoot them myself


I agree totally.

I would consider it a form of rape because an 11 year old is not able to make sound judgements involving such things. The 11 year old was probably manipulated into these acts. Eleven is the age of a CHILD.
Never_Hit_Nirvana
Keep up that early sex-ed in schools! thumbsup.gif It's doing wonders.
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According to court papers, the 11-year-old girl told police she was interested romantically in the 16-year-old girl, who looked and dressed like a boy.

By "interested romantically" I don't think they mean the typical crush an 11 year-old would have. The victim should also have her head examined.
Not to mention an investigation into her parent(s) and whatever school she attended.
Note to self: Stay the $%@# out of Milwaukee. Everything Peter Straub has written about it is apparently true.
BurnSide
QUOTE(MadMachine @ Sep 8 2006, 04:32 AM) [snapback]1341243[/snapback]

While children having sex is stupid and immoral in my opinion, this area of the post makes me wonder if it was really "rape."


QUOTE(JayMan895 @ Sep 8 2006, 05:11 AM) [snapback]1341256[/snapback]

I'm glad I'm not the only person who fails to see how this is to be considered rape. I fail to see how this is even assault, for that matter.



This is an 11 year old child.
Regardless of the circumstances, a 11 year old child have sex or performing sexual acts is rape, period.
I agree with NHN there, something needs to be said about this case. An 11 year old girl cannot be held accountable for this type of behaviour, it is the parents the investigation should be turning to. Something is wrong with her household.
Shivel
QUOTE(dixiepixie @ Sep 8 2006, 09:00 AM) [snapback]1341384[/snapback]

Although it may not be considered "rape" in the technichal sense. She was a child...not a stupid teenager with raging horemones, but a child. She has had her innocence lost, and can never go back to being what she should , just a little girl. So if anything her mind and innocence were raped.

But I would like to know what parent lets an 11 year old "hang out" with 15 & 16 yrolds. I NEVER let my son hang aroung kids who were in high school when he was that age. For that very reason!!!! I shall step down from the soap box...JayMan..that was not a personal attack, please take no offence at the mad rages of a MOM!


Actually you are right, and I was very wrong.

It was early in the morning, I didn't take into account the idea of statutory rape - which was foolish.

These people get what they deserve.
Avinash_Tyagi
Basically its statutory rape if she's 11, and those teens and that adult deserve to have the book thrown at them hmm.gif
__Kratos__
This photo provided by the Milwaukee County Jail shows Freeman Gurley in an undated photo. Gurley was charged Friday, Sept. 8, 2006, with two counts of first degree sexual assault of a child. Gurley, was charged today with two counts of first degree sexual assault of a child. (AP Photo/Milwaukee County Jail)

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Sadly this doesn't surprise me about Milwaukee. I was down there a while ago... I walked around the city and you see young girls everywhere thinking they're some hip hop star or a rapper's "ho". no.gif
Wookie McFly
I agree, complete case of rape.
tcgram
Reading this story just makes me sick. I agree totally that it is considered rape. I want to know where her parents were when all this was going on. * Shudders* My oldest just turned 11 and I have tabs on her at all times and am careful of who I let her hang around.
coldethyl
QUOTE(tcgram @ Sep 10 2006, 04:25 PM) [snapback]1344585[/snapback]

Reading this story just makes me sick. I agree totally that it is considered rape. I want to know where her parents were when all this was going on. * Shudders* My oldest just turned 11 and I have tabs on her at all times and am careful of who I let her hang around.


AMEN. My kids are 14 and 15 and I still know where they are all the time. Parenting requires skills. yes.gif
Malruhn
Well, there is some "good" news in the updates.

A news story said that she had been molested by a 14 year old cousin five years ago (not the "good" news).

It also said that her mother had passed away (again - not "good" news).

However, her mom died of complications of AIDS, and that the girl had been diagnosed as HIV positive.

So, the herd of people that were involved in raping her may well have their own death warrants signed by their own signatures. Somehow, sympathy for them escapes me.
Raptor
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So, the herd of people that were involved in raping her may well have their own death warrants signed by their own signatures. Somehow, sympathy for them escapes me.


That's karma for you. Not that it makes up for the terrible crime they commited.

I hate people my age...
Paranoid Android
Statutory rape! What we have here folks is peer pressure at its absolute worst. Where were the parents? That's a good question, where were the parents whistling2.gif

*Mother dies of aids. Child HIV positive. Molested 5 years earlier (she'd be *counts on fingers, doubles check just to make sure that the sickening number is correct* 6 years old then - that's SICK)*

Something's most definitely wrong with this world hmm.gif
donrobison
I was reading this post and it made me so ... aroused! Why is she necesseraly "innocent" she could have been a **** before this occured.
frogfish
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Why is she necesseraly "innocent"

Because she was raped! What is there not to get?
donrobison
I dont intend to carry on a lame arguement with you frogfish it will go on nolonger than this. A prostitute can be raped. we cant then say that the prostitute has lost her innocense. she wasnt innocent to begin with. look up the word innocent in the dictionary. not all victims are innocent.

please reply to this with a pm if you really think you need to be schooled. dont ruin the thread anymore than you already have. and stop provoking people in the forum!
Paranoid Android
Simple answer, donrobinson - SHE WAS 11 YEARS OLD.
donrobison
you dont get it I knew sexually active children under 11 years of age! I knew many 11 year olds who were not innocent! are we making the assumption that all 20 year old are not innocent, too? I know innocent 40 year olds. why are we stereotyping the girl as sherely temple? she was intending to carrying on a romantic homosexual relationship!
Avinash_Tyagi
QUOTE(donrobison @ Sep 17 2006, 01:01 AM) [snapback]1353367[/snapback]

you dont get it I knew sexually active children under 11 years of age! I knew many 11 year olds who were not innocent! are we making the assumption that all 20 year old are not innocent, too? I know innocent 40 year olds. why are we stereotyping the girl as sherely temple? she was intending to carrying on a romantic homosexual relationship!



Ummm...even if she's gay that doesn't make her a ****, and no she wasn't innocent since she was molested at six, and lost her innocence then, but that doesn't make her a ****, just a victim hmm.gif

Also, if you are turned on by her being raped, I recommend you see a psychiatrist, and avoid all other human contact. (for the good of everyone else) thumbsup.gif
donrobison
once again pm me if you want to say something to me, the thread isnt "lets attack don" but maybe I am sick. maybe I was abused. maybe its genetic. does that mean I should be locked away and ridiculed?
Avinash_Tyagi
QUOTE(donrobison @ Sep 17 2006, 02:07 AM) [snapback]1353400[/snapback]

once again pm me if you want to say something to me, the thread isnt "lets attack don" but maybe I am sick. maybe I was abused. maybe its genetic. does that mean I should be locked away and ridiculed?



once you state that you're aroused by a child being raped, well expect me to tell you that you need help, and that you might be a danger to those around you, and should avoid contact until you recieve help.
ShaunZero
I wonder too if it was rape. If it wasn't, the 11 year old should be beat the hell up, and the others shot dead in the face.. Right in front of eachother as well. Execution style!

Just anotehr pile of filth who deserve death.

Psh, everyone better be happy I'm not a God. I'd sure be ruthless. Oh well, people in jail don't take lightly to child molesters.
__Kratos__
It's making me quite twitchy that people here are thinking that an 11 year old girl is old enough to make the choice. hmm.gif

With more and more of these sicko's coming to light... Do you think we should really up the punishment? Some states have already made it part of their death penalty. Which, I cannot disagree with. Our society says the punishment will fit the crime. The mental pain, phsyical pain and the life long pain... Is it really worth only throwing a guy in jail for a couple years or taking the sub-human and putting the thing to death?
MadMachine
I think the 11-year-old's future looks very dark. I'm convinced that she'll be involved in something like this again in the future, if she lives that long, and she'll actually be held responsible then.

This is my opinion, and I hope it's wrong.
Avinash_Tyagi
QUOTE(Zero of Deism @ Sep 17 2006, 06:00 AM) [snapback]1353499[/snapback]

I wonder too if it was rape. If it wasn't, the 11 year old should be beat the hell up, and the others shot dead in the face.. Right in front of eachother as well. Execution style!

Just anotehr pile of filth who deserve death.

Psh, everyone better be happy I'm not a God. I'd sure be ruthless. Oh well, people in jail don't take lightly to child molesters.


She's 11 so yes it is rape
kenshinx
QUOTE(Zero of Deism @ Sep 17 2006, 10:00 AM) [snapback]1353499[/snapback]

people in jail don't take lightly to child molesters.

sure.. they'll get never-ending-rape when they enter jail! mad.gif

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once again pm me if you want to say something to me, the thread isnt "lets attack don" but maybe I am sick. maybe I was abused. maybe its genetic. does that mean I should be locked away and ridiculed?


someone did this thing to you right ? no.gif
conspiracysrus
hundred years ago girls that age were fair game.
i hope i dont offend here but it just shows how far behind some people in some places really are.
i was once in africa there they had very young prostitutes and the police protect em wacko.gif
some cultures just have this as a normal thing thats all im saying.

does anyone know if this was a black community?
Jok3r
Woah. That is really sick in my opinion. My question is if she was forced to or she did she want to? Half of the rape cases, I'm sure a girl wasn't forced to do it, but in fact she wanted to.
Avinash_Tyagi
QUOTE(MindFreak718 @ Sep 17 2006, 10:38 PM) [snapback]1354360[/snapback]

Woah. That is really sick in my opinion. My question is if she was forced to or she did she want to? Half of the rape cases, I'm sure a girl wasn't forced to do it, but in fact she wanted to.


Doesn't matter she's 11

At 11 she's not mature enough to make that decision, she's still mentally a child.
i hate Journalists Even WatkinS
WHEN WILL WE LEARN PUTTING THEM IN PRISON DOESN'T WORK EASY LIFE JUST CUT THERE BALLS OFF. yes.gif
AtlantisRises
QUOTE(Zero of Deism @ Sep 17 2006, 07:30 PM) [snapback]1353499[/snapback]

I wonder too if it was rape. If it wasn't, the 11 year old should be beat the hell up, and the others shot dead in the face.. Right in front of eachother as well. Execution style!

Just anotehr pile of filth who deserve death.

Psh, everyone better be happy I'm not a God. I'd sure be ruthless. Oh well, people in jail don't take lightly to child molesters.



Sorry i doubt the age of consent is younger then 11 so it was rape wether she consented or not.

And that anyone who tries to justify the rape of an 11 year old by saying it might have been consensual etc is just as bad as teh rapist. it is that sort of attitude that stops victims of molestation from coming forward from fear they will be the ones treated as the bad people. They are afraid that they will be called Whores and the like by people who are pathetic enough to think that the rape of an 11 year old is anything other then evil.

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WHEN WILL WE LEARN PUTTING THEM IN PRISON DOESN'T WORK EASY LIFE JUST CUT THERE BALLS OFF.


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I agree 101% Castrate them all and beat them on a daily basis for the rest of their lives. That would get the message across pretty quickly.
Endymion
If many of you lived in many years ago you would be sick everyday,dont remember that many princess married and had kids before 19yo? and they continued alive,so it doesn't seem anormal in that time.
Shankpin
QUOTE(Zero of Deism @ Sep 17 2006, 05:00 AM) [snapback]1353499[/snapback]

I wonder too if it was rape. If it wasn't, the 11 year old should be beat the hell up, and the others shot dead in the face.. Right in front of eachother as well. Execution style!

Just anotehr pile of filth who deserve death.

Psh, everyone better be happy I'm not a God. I'd sure be ruthless. Oh well, people in jail don't take lightly to child molesters.


Sorry to be so blunt, but why in hell would any 11 year old girl want to have something done to her in such a way? That many men and only her, a child, for Godsakes! She isn't old enough to know what she wants regardless. --- The truth of the matter, if she DID say "yes" she didn't have the mental capacity to know what she was subjecting herself too.

QUOTE(MindFreak718 @ Sep 17 2006, 09:38 PM) [snapback]1354360[/snapback]

Woah. That is really sick in my opinion. My question is if she was forced to or she did she want to? Half of the rape cases, I'm sure a girl wasn't forced to do it, but in fact she wanted to.


Mindfreak! an 11 year old child don't know what she wants!! If this case is the same as I'm thinking ( not that it matters, the other victim was 11 also, to 30 men) it was rape. Simply rape. Do not justify those sexual urges that simply over power the child by saying she "wasn't forced." Intimidation, she can't exactly imtimidate men can she? or can she..... ? Geeez people.
Paranoid Android
Remember that the girl was molested when she was six. The emotional effects of such an ordeal can really make people act strangely. Maybe as a coping mechanism, she thought by doing this with those men would somehow lessen her previous ordeal. The guys here preyed on the troubles of a young girl, simple as that. For the sixteen year olds who raped her, I can sort of understand (though not condone). But for the 30 year old or whatever his age was, there's just no excuse. He should have known better.

And yes, I realise that in other societies, especially in the past, women were often married off at this age to have children. We're not speaking of other culture's. We're speaking of this one. As a species, we can only operate within the guidelines of the society which we live. And the guidelines of this society dictate that if you rape an 11-year old girl, you deserve every punishment that the legal system can throw at you, and then some more just for good measure.
Shankpin
QUOTE(donrobison @ Sep 17 2006, 12:01 AM) [snapback]1353367[/snapback]

you dont get it I knew sexually active children under 11 years of age! I knew many 11 year olds who were not innocent! are we making the assumption that all 20 year old are not innocent, too? I know innocent 40 year olds. why are we stereotyping the girl as sherely temple? she was intending to carrying on a romantic homosexual relationship!


We are not talking about 20 year olds, and 40 year olds! An 11 year old is the issue here. Even if you had the sense that God gave a hair on a frog's ass you would know that if a child is sexually [abused], especially at an early age such as 6, they tend to look for that attention [MORE SEXUAL ABUSE] to feel needed, loved, wanted, worthy, security, etc..., Bascially, you don't have a problem feeding a sexually abused child's emotional deficiencies by feeding her MORE sex....
Jok3r
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Mindfreak! an 11 year old child don't know what she wants!! If this case is the same as I'm thinking ( not that it matters, the other victim was 11 also, to 30 men) it was rape. Simply rape. Do not justify those sexual urges that simply over power the child by saying she "wasn't forced." Intimidation, she can't exactly imtimidate men can she? or can she..... ? Geeez people.


Maybe but times have really changed. Believe it or not but a lot of 11 years old are really different from the ones years back. This probably sounds really weird to you, but I do hear of girls who know what sex is and what it's like etc and and would you believe it their 11 or 12 years old.
girty1600
Although it sickens me to say so, there were kids at my school that became sexually active at 12. sad.gif
Avinash_Tyagi
QUOTE(MindFreak718 @ Sep 26 2006, 08:55 PM) [snapback]1366770[/snapback]

Maybe but times have really changed. Believe it or not but a lot of 11 years old are really different from the ones years back. This probably sounds really weird to you, but I do hear of girls who know what sex is and what it's like etc and and would you believe it their 11 or 12 years old.



Even if they know about sex, they are way too young to decide whehter they want to have it, their minds aren't developed enough yet
Shankpin
QUOTE(MindFreak718 @ Sep 26 2006, 07:55 PM) [snapback]1366770[/snapback]

Maybe but times have really changed. Believe it or not but a lot of 11 years old are really different from the ones years back. This probably sounds really weird to you, but I do hear of girls who know what sex is and what it's like etc and and would you believe it their 11 or 12 years old.


Mindfreak, I see 9 year old girls in JVhall for reasons other than being virgins, I can assure you. of those girls have had more experience than I have at 32! innocent.gif Whether they [enjoy] sex, or not, or live in 3010, an 11 year old does not have that capacity to understand the repercussions of what she even enjoys, including her thinking she is 'wanting/loving/needing' sex. That is too young of an age to fully understand the significance of YES and NO! Just b/c these kids are more aware of sex, and are more likely experiencing it than those 50 years ago doesn't make them more mature, or have more reasoning about their decisions with sex. That's a big misunderstanding! It only makes them bigger victims of their era. They are more likely to suffer from the effects of "YES" in very very serious and some even subtle ways. There is victimology is sexual abuse to a child, and there are solid reasons for it.
Abecrombie
my question is the article says that the teenagers were being charged and even though the 40 year old uncle admitted to have sex with the 11 year old , the article says he MAY
also be charged.

It seems he is the responible culprit here. it was at his house right?

even then some the 15 and 16 are still minors and considered children or teenagers but THEY SHOULD KNOW BETTER
i say its should be the uncle who should be the one to blame for all of it .
he is the adult
it was inside his home
he admitted to involvement sexually with the 11 year old and he should have never of allowed the boys in the basement nor the 115 or 16 year old to engage in that activity let alone expose a child to it.
it is the uncles fault all of that came down according to the article
i dont know the real facts ,.nobody really does except the persons involved.
where are these kids parents in all of this?
Abecrombie
QUOTE(conspiracysrus @ Sep 17 2006, 10:05 AM) [snapback]1353741[/snapback]

hundred years ago girls that age were fair game.
i hope i dont offend here but it just shows how far behind some people in some places really are.
i was once in africa there they had very young prostitutes and the police protect em wacko.gif
some cultures just have this as a normal thing thats all im saying.

does anyone know if this was a black community?


Does it matter? this was in a state in america . there is no law that permitts this as a normal act. nor leagle one. in fact its called petafile. dontgetit.gif
wiccan sassy
bieng a victom of rape by a family member for a number of years i believe that yes the uncle should get the death penalty after he goes through excatly what that poor little girl had to go through
donrobison
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BurnSide
__Kratos__
QUOTE(donrobison @ Sep 26 2006, 11:58 PM) [snapback]1367025[/snapback]

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Different societies and different times. We're now in 2006, USA if you like it or not. It's considered wrong by society and punishable by laws society accept.

No matter which way you slice it, these guys are in the wrong and should be punished according. yes.gif
donrobison
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BurnSide
Pinky Floyd
Sickos..everyone of them.

No justification having sex with an 11 year-old.
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