PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A couple found a man raping a young woman in their driveway and tried to flee with her but were shot to death by the attacker, police said.

The teenager was also shot and was expected to recover, police said. A suspect was arrested.

The couple came upon the attack when returning to their home in the Fern Rock neighborhood from a night out late Wednesday, police said. The 18-year-old woman broke free and began screaming about the assault, and she and the couple then fled while the attacker fired at them with a semiautomatic handgun, according to police.

The three tried to hide nearby, but the assailant found them and fired more shots as they lay on the ground, Chief Inspector Joseph Fox said.

"It sounds like it was all happening in a matter of seconds," Fox said.

The names of the couple were being withheld pending notification of family.

Kevin White, 24, of Philadelphia, was arrested a short time later and will be charged with murder, rape, aggravated assault and other offenses, Fox said. Police said they recovered a gun during the arrest.

The attack was one of six shootings — two of them fatal — overnight in Philadelphia.

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This is just...shocking...the poor couple were doing something that was such a good act, and they pay for it with their lives.

Im lost for words, its just shocking...

God this is shocking! and to think it... wait a minute did you say PHILADELPHIA?
bothered..
Lol No surprises

That is terrible. People getting killed for trying to do the right thing... I hope they discover without a doubt who the culprit was.

I think that if I were in the possition of the young rape victim I would rather be dead. It looks like she will pull through but knowing the the couple died trying to save her on top of the rape will make it hard. Poor thing.

Another sad story. They better catch this guy or it's gonna be even more F'd up.

Ummmmm, the story says they caught him.

Oh ok. I skimmed through the story so I must of missed that part. Thanks for letting me know.

billyhill - you must be from around here

A horrible, horrible story... but in truth, pretty much the same type of thing I see every day on the Philly news. They are up to almost 300 murders for the year so far - something like that.

It is so sad all around. An innocent couple driving up in their own driveway gets killed helping someone and the young rape victim has to live with all this the rest of her life. Nothing they do to that man can change this.

Maybe nothing to change it, but quite a bit to make him suffer for the rest of his life

Yes very sad story I know philly and I hate when I have to go there for some thing like jury duty. This is suppose to be "THE CITY OF BROTHERLY LOVE" YEA RIGHT!

And all the bleeding hearts think the justice system is too harsh. This guy just didn't come from nowhere. Maybe if they made a real effort to punish criminals, make an example of a few of them, it would be better.

This is horrible...I am in complete shock!

the death penalty should be handed out more often then it is life in prison which he will probly get is not justice imo why have him live the rest of his life while our tax money goes to give this bastard a roof over his head and food i say we send him ot his maker and let him decide what shoudl be done

edit: please refrain from comments such as this in the future - Tiddlyjen

and his hands too eh? ill help you !!
if that were him as a smiley his face would look like this

lmao,sweet,sounds like a plan

It is a shame but there wasn't anything else they could have done. Since the crime was taking place in their driveway, I doubt they were gonna just step over the assualt, unlock the door, go inside and go to bed? The grim reaper is getting curiously creative these days. LoL

i agree with you

What the hell is our world coming to? that is som absolutely depressing news... i hate sickos like that

This is precisely why I carry a loaded pistol in my pocket when I"m in town.
I was a military policeman for four years and never pulled my weapon once.
Within five years of my discharge, in 1979, I had to pull my weapon TWICE to save myself and those around me. In both instances, I didn't know the aggressor and just blundered into a bad situation, much like this tragic couple.
If found guilty of rape and murder, this person should be executed by firing squad. It's the quickest, most humane means of execution, I believe.
It would do much to ease the grief of his victims, to know he can never inflict such pain and ruination on any other families.
I support rehabilitation through reincarnation!

I like that! I'll have to remember that one. I totally agree with it/you, too!

yesssss gateo

This sounds like South Africa. We have the worst crime and the most people in jail in the world. The crime is especially bad in Big cities like Durban ,Cape town and Gauteng Area (Pretoria and Johannesburg). They run around with AK 47'S (Fully automatic guns)
and rob shopping malls.

This past week there have been four such robberies in which +-9 people (statistics not accurate) have died 2 of which were police
Imagine gun fights in a shopping mall where people go to purchase christmas presents or just food etc.

They should bring back death penalty in SA (Or something else that works) because the criminals just brake out of our prisons by bribing the gaurds and do it all over again. So life in prison does not really mean they will be there for life.

a sad thing.. very sad indeed. but with all those offense he would even have a time debt even in hell.

And here is another scary thought this is the type of world we live in today

Public exucutions used to happen wy dont we start again it would scare some people sure but i have a good feeling it would help with crime

amen, nothing like seeing a fellow criminal poop himself as he dies to put the right motivation into other criminals to stop their trade.

Oh yeaaahh. Of course everybody knows that crime of all kinds disappeared when public executions were about. Get real guys. Do you really believe that someone in the state of mind this guy was in while he was doing these terrible things was stopping to consider the consequences? To commit such a heinous act requires a huge shift from regular psychological states. It is totally irrational to do what he did. I sincerely doubt that possible penalties ever entered his head.

The guy is an absolute menace and should probably never be let out of prison, before I'm accused of being some "wooly liberal". But the death penalty a)simply doesn't work relies on the absolute integrity of the legal system (howls with laughter) c) has been shown to be racially biased in it's use (as it relies on the integrity of those in authority..... more laughter) and d) even if it is used with "pure" intentions, at least a person wrongly jailed can later be released with compensation. You can't say sorry to a stiff.

There are far more lucrative ways a person can be made to pay society back for what they've done. I'm not letting this guy, or any other, off the hook. But this screaming for blood does NOThing to protect society. Nothing at all.

i think convicted rapists should get the death penalty, but nope they are let out so they can do it again and again,,, i bet this person has been in jail for rape in the past and was let out again for a second chance

IMO if you comit a crime as horrific as rape then there should be no second chances and ur put away for life, to protect the public

He can get his second chance when hes dead in the afterlife

rapists are usually the same type of people who murder just evil people

I'm not sure where you get this from. Rape can turn into murder. But more often than not, it is left as a rape.

Murders can also be rapists as rapists can also be murderers but it's not written in stone.


Soundchaser: AMEN!

So, erm... which is it to be? If you have decided on the 2nd, I agree. Another thing wrong with the death penalty...... Yes, this particular case was especially vicious and nasty.

But what if, in a completely different scenario, you had consenting sex with a woman who, for whatever reason, accused you of rape afterwards. Would you still support the death penalty for it then? Rape cases are fraught with difficulty when it comes to proving it was or wasn't rape. Murder is actually far simpler to prove either way. Rape cases are extremely complex. But in fact, many people have been framed for murders they didn't commit either. If you were being framed, would you support the death penalty?

(Duke is right. But before I go on, if anyone reading this is a survivor of rape, I accept absolutely that I'm writing and thinking as someone who ISN'T. For that reason, I want to point out from the start that nothing here is intended to belittle the effect of these crimes. I'm taking a cold look at mindsets only).

Sorry Cateyes but I think you've been misinformed though you're not the only one by a long way. Rape is a horrible, horrible offence, there's no question of that. But the mentality of it is in MOST cases very different from murder. It's not easy to simplify but most murders are spur of the moment. VERY few are the cold, calculated, planned and thought out operations that many TV shows and films portray. The great majority of victims know their killers and the crime tends to occur after an argument or conflict spirals out of control. I'm greatly oversimplifying because it can also be after a long series of arguments and so on... but trying to summarize. But the key point is the premeditation that we often hear about in case reports (and what differentiates murder from manslaughter) can be even 1 second before the fatal strike or shot takes place. Unfortunately the word "premeditated" tends to lead us to think of forward planning. But anyway, the point is that murders tend to occur suddenly and in very heated moments. Some very nasty people do commit murder of course. But to think that all murders are the result of evil is to oversimplify things, sorry.

Rape is quite a different mindset. And please don't think I'm trying to defend it! It's bloody awful. But it tends to be about power and domination, which may well come from anger but is not a direct response to that anger. It is a violent assault, of course. But killing is usually not the intent of it. (there are exceptions, yes). There may be an argument for saying that rape is worse than murder.

If there is a similarity, it is true that most rape victims know their attacker. The predator lurking in the bushes for the next victim is actually very rare. It's a very complex issue and I'm in danger here of getting into the debate about whether there should be a legal difference between rape and forced sex..... that's a very heated topic and I'm sure the semantics don't make a lot of difference to someone who has been forced or attacked. The after-effects are going to be pretty damn nasty anyway. But I mention it because the point you made was about the type of people who commit these crimes. Perhaps that's a topic for a new thread?

Anyway, I am absolutely in favour of keeping such people away from the public. But I cannot justify the death penalty as a way of doing so. I have dealt with rape victims on occasion through my work and outside it. There is no way such crimes should go unresponded to. The effects on the victim are horrendous. Some of them have wanted to see their attacker dead and some have not. I can honestly understand the ones who want them dead but within myself I cannot condone the death penalty.

And, as with murder, rape is often committed by some pretty nasty people. I can understand why you would call that "evil". It's been used as a tactic in war! That is particularly callous. But the twisted mentality that may lead to a rape still does not necessarily equate with evil.

criminals live on the charity of spirit of good people.

ok if u dont think pple who commit rape arent evil, I certainly do, but yeah keep defending it, I'm so done with this thread

Please...Soundchaser made it quite clear in his post that he was not defending rape. It's just that evil is a very powerful and harsh word. And if someone is so ill in the mind to be driven to something as terrible as that, then they are mentally unstable, not evil. Someone who is mentally unstable needs hospitalisation and treatement when necessary. Evil implies that you should just banish them all together and no nothing to help them become better people.

While I agree in Fair Democracy (that everyone is entitled to a fair trial), I also believe that everyone has their rights, and everyone must be treated as human beings, not determined by saintly or evil, but more so by their actions and concequences. The concequences being their trial, and sentence. And I believe that during the setting of the sentence their mental state should be noticed, and all should be done in every power to help those people overcome what was tearing them apart inside, and allow them to recover, and be 'reborn' if you like, so they are better people for the world.

If we get rid of everyone, one by one, there wont be anyone left!

or we could just kill all the crazy types like this so after they are through the reborning process they don't killl anyone else. Your trying to apply compassion and sense to a person who doesn't operate remotely close to that. You have to use natures rules, you have to fight or flight, since we all want to stay where we are for the most part, that means we fight. Save the fair play for criminals concept for people who don't take other people's lives, its called triage. Sometimes you have to lose a few limbs to save the whole body. Personally i think if you take another life, and there is no question whatsoever that you did, witnesses DNA etc., then you should lose your life. Its about balance.

or gather them all up in an island surrounded by a mile high wall and let them kill each other, after all there's no shortage of murderers in the world.

i would go along with that

and that would be one way to solve/control human pop.

Taking a human life in place of a human life does not bring justice.

And that's all I have to say in response to you.

Nah, I'm from London but even here, I've heard of Philadelphia's reputation!
Seems like a lot of evil b*stards living there...*ahem* sorry, I meant 'mentally challenged people in need of rehabilitation'
boing..boing...

Source: I John (ch. IV, v. 18)
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

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Thank God that someone cared enough to try to do the right thing.This couple made the ultimate sacrifice.
I wonder how this will impact this young woman's life,and her outlook on life? Two strangers died trying to save her....wow.

This is shocking. The poor couple were just coming home and find this happening. They did what ,hopefully, anyone would do and help this girl and have paid for it with their lives. Whatever this guy gets is not enough!

wow, this is the second **** topic I've read today, sorry but I despise that word so much it makes my blood boil to even mention it...
sick, disgusting, inhumane, atrocious, malicious... a sin that words cannot describe...
i have no mercy or kindness in me for those who destroy the honour of other people, who abuse others and treat them like a toy, if anything i would gladly go to hell if in return i could inflict the pain i want to on each one of them...
you come here, show your outrage and make a little joke, go all political, talk like you never spat shi* in your life... but when it strikes someone close to your heart we'll see how funny it is, we'll see how technical you get, you wont say a word, you'll just simply become dumbfounded with anger and hatred, just barely containing that fury, wanting that chance to rip that persons heart out, thats how you'll feel...