WoW I can't believe it only took 5 yrs for the goverment to release this is very damning evedience. This just adds to the goverments guilt and to the painfully slow and timely release. This is so messed up.

WoW I can't believe it only took 5 yrs for the goverment to release this is very damning evedience. This just adds to the goverments guilt and to the painfully slow and timely release. This is so messed up.

I thought one of the biggest issues that people were upset about was the release of these tapes. I heard time and time again people asking for these tapes to be made public. Why did the government sit on there hands and keep them secret for 5 yrs if they showed nothing? What possible reason for not releasing this tape???? The so called establishment could have ended all the fuss over the so called "secret" tapes years ago. And put an end to the speculation.
The very damning evidience was sarcasim sorry, It shows nothing.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Longsoug...ttack_0915.html

...and shows exactly squat, as the sane people predicted. Turns out that the cameras weren't pointed in the sky after all. Huh, who woulda guessed it?

And the 9/11 conspiracy unravels just a bit more...

I've actually seen undeniable footage of an airplane hitting the pentagon, a freind of my cousin was sitting on a tour bus with a video camera and just happened to be pointing in the right direction at the right time...he has the ENTIRE thing on camera....I've watched it like 12 times...you can see the plane coming straight at the pentagon...you can see it hit the grass in front and then smash into the wall....I'll going to give him a call and see if he knows how to post it on youtube...I'll post the link shortly....

He never thought to offer the video as evidence in the past 5 years?

I bet the FBI would love to know about that video. It would end the conspiricy of what hit the pentagon once and for all.

The FBI isn't the one caught up in the stupid conspiracy theories.

There are at least 90 eyewitnesses that saw the plane fly into the building. I have posted a link to a guys site where he goes over all this.

See this is what the conspiracy theorists don't understand. The Pentagon doesn't have to prove it was hit by a plane. People saw it, they were there, it happened. The people who say it didn't happen need to prove what did happen. And they can't because it DID happen.

Like me in NY as well, you here people whining about the footage and "missles" flying at the building. And these shots are always very grainy shaded shots. When in reality if you look at a clear shot of the building like the one that was on Google until just yesterday, it shows BIRDS freakin' flying around. That's what some German dude slowed down and fuzzed out to call a missle.

Its ridiculous.

You have probably never heard of cloaking. Its military holographic technology. Its used to disguise military planes and will be able to project a holographic army to trick enemies.

Why would he offer it as evidence, it would just disappear and never be seen again. But I seriously doubt he even has a video. The plane didnt even hit the pentagon lawn.

Show me ONE eyewitness account that day that said I saw a missle hit the Pentagon. It was not an airplane it was a missle. SAW not HEARD.

Except that's not what happened.

No government officials got to the people before the press did.

Ah distract and change direction eh? But uh DUH yeah the media was alerted first. Are you crazy? LMAO. Even during the Columbine shootings the media knew about it before the cops got there. You are suggeting the FBI showed up ten minutes after it happened and IMMEDIATELY knew who the witnesses were?

I thought you just said you didn't believe that anyone on the street could have captured the plane?

Hmmm. Its hard to keep up with you guys when you change your story every three seconds.

I'm telling you, a friend of mine SAW the plane hit. Sad because she was like a really liberal hippy chick before this, she's turned into a super 'hunt them down and kill them" kind of gal.

Saw it. Told us about it. Devastated. SAW IT.

What did YOU see? Were you there that day? Why should I believe you. I believe my friend. She saw it.

I'm not real sure if this has been hashed out because I tend to avoid the 9/11 conspiracy threads. I do this because I tend to get flamed.

My theory about mistaking a very large plane for something that looks like it could be a missile is very simple. I'm a pilot and I've been around airports most of my adult life. I don't and never have flown the big-boy jets but I have seen them enter the pattern, descend and land at close proximity. People are not used to seeing planes flying at cruising speed at low altitudes. When an observer watches a large jet land the plane has slowed considerably from cruising or full speed with full flaps extended so said aircraft seems to float safely to the ground. The planes that were crashed into WTC 1 and 2 and the Pentagon were very close to the ground traveling at or above normal cruising speed. That's about twice as fast (350-375 mph as apposed to 130-150 mph). A plane flying that low at that speed would just be a blur to a healthy human eye let alone a video recorder hence the "missile theory".

I'm not saying that's what happened but it makes sense to me as an experienced pilot

I've actually seen undeniable footage of an airplane hitting the pentagon, a freind of my cousin was sitting on a tour bus with a video camera and just happened to be pointing in the right direction at the right time...he has the ENTIRE thing on camera....I've watched it like 12 times...you can see the plane coming straight at the pentagon...you can see it hit the grass in front and then smash into the wall....I'll going to give him a call and see if he knows how to post it on youtube...I'll post the link shortly....

I've been under the impression that the first plane hitting WTC was caught on film by accident from a tourist.

Is it so amazing to think that no one had a video camera aimed at the pentagon at the what sixty seconds it took to comprehend what was happening?

I see what your saying and agree with what the camera saw was a bit of a blur to say the least, but a human eye can track and follow that plane, unless it buzz's his nose, my question is why no civilian footage? why no longer rang footage of the pentagon? they have hundreds of cams some set up on other building to watch the pentagon. Still sadly all we get is the two films that really show well not much.

The planes that hit the wtc were not close to the ground per say,but as having the towers as a reference for speed they did look fast but still able to be filmed with perfect clarity. Thanks for the post it does somewhat describe what the stationary camera caught, because of the speed but even in the still shots it looks much to small, to me anyway.

The RED TEXT shows the section that was used by Pentagon Strike.



“I was going up Interstate 395, up Washington Boulevard, listening to the radio, to the news, to WTOP, and from my left side, I don’t know whether I saw or heard it first -- this silver plane; I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines jet,” said the 25-year-old O’Keefe, managing editor of Influence, an American Lawyer Media publication about lobbying. “It came swooping in over the highway, over my left shoulder, straight across where my car was heading. I’d just heard them saying on the radio that National Airport was closing, and I thought, ‘That’s not going to make it to National Airport.’ And then I realized where I was, and that it was going to hit the Pentagon. There was a burst of orange flame that shot out that I could see through the highway overpass. Then it was just black. Just black thick smoke. The eeriest thing about it, was that it was like you were watching a movie. There was no huge explosion, no huge rumbling on ground, it just went ‘pfff.’ It wasn’t what I would have expected for a plane that was not much more than a football field away from me. The first thing I did was pull over onto the shoulder, and when I got out of the car I saw another plane flying over my head, and it scared ...me, because I knew there had been two planes that hit the World Trade Center. And I started jogging up the ramp to get as far away as possible. Then the plane -- it looked like a C-130 cargo plane -- started turning away from the Pentagon, it did a complete turnaround.
- John O'Keefe

"I was right underneath the plane." "I heard a plane. I saw it. I saw debris flying. I guess it was hitting light poles," said Milburn. "It was like a WHOOOSH whoosh, then there was fire and smoke, then I heard a second explosion."
- Kirk Milburn

Michael DiPaula 41, project coordinator Pentagon Renovation Team - He left a meeting in the Pentagon just minutes before the crash, looking for an electrician who didn't show, in a construction trailer less than 75 feet away. "Suddenly, an airplane roared into view, nearly shearing the roof off the trailer before slamming into the E ring. 'It sounded like a missile,' DiPaula recalls . . . Buried in debris and covered with airplane fuel, he was briefly listed by authorities as missing, but eventually crawled from the flaming debris and the shroud of black smoke unscathed.
http://www.sunspot.net/search/bal-archive-1990.htmlstory

As I came up along the Pentagon I saw helicopters. That's not strange. It's the Pentagon. Then I saw the plane. There were only a few cars on the road, we all stopped. I know I wanted to believe that plane was making a low descent into National Airport, but it was nearly on the road. And it was headed straight for the building. It made no sense. The pilot didn't seem to be planning to pull up anytime soon. It was there. A huge jet. Then it was gone. A massive hole in the side of the Pentagon gushed smoke. The noise was beyond description. ... I called my boss. I had no memory of how to work my cellphone. I hit redial and his number came up. "Something hit the Pentagon. It must have been a helicopter." I knew that wasn't true, but I heard myself say it. I heard myself believe it, if only for a minute. "Buildings don't eat planes. That plane, it just vanished. There should have been parts on the ground. It should have rained parts on my car. The airplane didn't crash. Where are the parts?" That's the conversation I had with myself on the way to work. It made sense this morning. I swear that it did. ... There seems to be no footage of the crash, only the site. The gash in the building looks so small on TV. The massiveness of the structure lost in the tight shots of the fire. There was a plane. It didn't go over the building. It went into the building. I want them to find it whole, wedged between floors or something. I know that isn't going to happen, but right now I pretend. I want to see footage of the crash. I want to make it make sense. I want to know why there's this gap in my memory, this gap that makes it seem as though the plane simply became invisible and banked up at the very last minute, but I don't think that's going to happen.
- "skarlet"

I was at a complete stop on the road in front of the helipad at the Pentagon; what I had thought would be a shortcut was as slow as the other routes I had taken that morning. I looked idly out my window to the left -- and saw a plane flying so low I said, “holy cow, that plane is going to hit my car” (not my actual words). The car shook as the plane flew over. It was so close that I could read the numbers under the wing. And then the plane crashed. My mind could not comprehend what had happened. Where did the plane go? For some reason I expected it to bounce off the Pentagon wall in pieces. But there was no plane visible, only huge billows of smoke and torrents of fire.
- Christine Peterson



Even funnier, Pentagon Strike superimposed quotes from eyewitnesses (some of them out of context) in a black stripe over a photo of the impact zone - the stripe obscures the view that shows the full extent of the damage caused by the plane.

You'll notice in the video you snagged that from that the impact on the grasses they show as conflicting evidence is the START of the impact. The START of the impact was at the wall of the pentagon. You will also notice that their comparison photos are all of planes laid out on a field and not into buildings.

In addition you will note that in the actual video the witness states it was ABSOLUTELY a plane. Yet they skip that part of the sentence and focus on the grass.

An intelligent person doesn't skip part of the witness statement. Like a slight of hand the makers of the film dupe idiots into ignoring it and focusing on the grass. Only a fool would read that a witness stated that it was a Boeing and it hit the ground and fail to see that he stated IT WAS A BOEING. Tim Timmerman's statement.

Also 6 out of 8 of the statements they use, the person SAYS they saw a plane. The first guy said it was a commuter jet. As the other person in this thread mentioned perspective of a jet to a regular person is something unusual. They are not used to seeing them flying so low and at such a great speed.

I can't believe how stupid this video is. Their witness for the prosecution STATES is was absolutely a boeing. And they just skip right over this and expect their gullible audience that can't think for themselves and just believe whatever they are told to believe is true.

Sigh.

Watch the video again and see what is said. Nearly every witness says it was a plane.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~sperna/omgkool.swf

Bingo, you got it !! not one single piece fits this puzzle. A jumbo jet in restricted air space going 500 miles an hour, man you would hear that thing a mile away and damn straight, If it was a plane it would have been filmed and not by one camera but many. Show me that it was a plane ! can anyone? the engine found at the sight was way to small to come from a jumbo jet. Then they say the plane melted, WHAT it vaporized again a first in jumbo jet history. Damn people ask some questions !!

So lets agree on one thing for arguments sake;

Just say a plane did crash into the pentagon right, what happened to the plane?

Wheres the large sections of the plane? wheres the evidence that suggests a plane hit.

Ive seen plane crashes and theres always bodies, tail section and large parts etc.

If we are then led to believe by the Government that the plane melted due to jet fuel blah blah blah then surely they couldnt have identified victims as the "government" said they did identify the victims.
CNN correspondent Jamie McIntyre reporting live from the Pentagon says
that there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the
building.

JAMIE MCINTYRE: "From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a
plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.

The only site, is the actual side of the building that's crashed in. And
as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that
you pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing
sections, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around which would
indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and
then caused the side to collapse.

Even though if you look at the pictures of the Pentagon you see that the
floors have all collapsed, that didn't happen immediately. It wasn't
until almost about 45 minutes later that the structure was weakened
enough that all of the floors collapsed." - CNN (09/11/01)
A civilian pilot, who was an eyewitness to the Pentagon attack on Sept.11, 2001 has come forward with an astonishing account that calls into question the official 9-11 story regarding what exactly hit the headquarters of the Department of Defense. He tells why it has taken him so long to come forward with his story and gives us some amazing inside information.

There is no evidence, physical or photographic, in the public domain to support the government version that a Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon. Link

And as most people have said on this forum, if the government has NOTHING to hide then release a video showing an American Airlines plane crashing into the pentagon, surely this will shut the door on the conspiracy of the pentagon.

Instead they release a lame ASS video of the gas station just like the footage from the pentagon, 5 years after the attack. Some one said on here that they had to get approval to release it blah blah and more blah.
There was nothing on the tape to suggest a 757 hit the pentagon surely it wouldnt have taken 5 years to release it or get approval to release it?

TRUETHAT or should i say FALSETHAT.

You strongly believe that arab hijackers attacked America on 9/11.

Ok why is it that you claim that ex president Clinton and his administration are corrupt but yet you cannot believe Bush or his administration is corrupt? Both are part of THE US GOVERMENT.

On one hand you say the government is corrupt and on the other hand you counter argue your own self by trying to prove the government wasnt involved.

Cheers

BZRK

It took them 5 years to release this tape. Why didn't they just release it when the conspiracy theories starting popping up. I do however want to see the video from the Sheraton Hotel and the HighWay camera.

FOIA lawsuit was filed on June 22 of this year. The FBI promised the release by Nov. 9 (iirc). Any lag time was probably due to getting permission from the copyright holder (Citgo) to release the tape. No one had filed an FOIA for the tape prior to June 22, so they didn't release it until one was filed.

I can believe that Bush is corrupt. There's your leap again. Point A now how do you get to point B?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pe...e_evidence.html

Good point. How do you get from A to B? Some of the logic displayed by some CT's is very faulty.

BTW My position concerning 911 is firmly down the middle.

I don't buy everything the Government says and I don't buy everything the CT's say either.
Military holograms, voice replicators.

Arkan you shaw dont make sense.

Why did it take 5 years to release it if it had nothing on it? No plane, no evidence no nothing on that video.

Why keep the tape for 5 years, if there was nothing on the tape? why not release it in the first year? Why not release it at the same time those 5 slides were released from the pentagon footage?

Everything the Government has done does not add up.

Show me footage of a plane hitting the Pentagon then maybe we will consider our conspiracy theory.

The way everything is going right now i aint buying one bit of CRAP the government releases.

Whats on the tapes from the Highway? Whats on the tapes from the Hotel?

Why note release them?

Cheers

BZRK

So lets agree on one thing for arguments sake;

Just say a plane did crash into the pentagon right, what happened to the plane?

Wheres the large sections of the plane? wheres the evidence that suggests a plane hit.

Ive seen plane crashes and theres always bodies, tail section and large parts etc.

If we are then led to believe by the Government that the plane melted due to jet fuel blah blah blah then surely they couldnt have identified victims as the "government" said they did identify the victims.
CNN correspondent Jamie McIntyre reporting live from the Pentagon says
that there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the
building.

JAMIE MCINTYRE: "From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a
plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.

The only site, is the actual side of the building that's crashed in. And
as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that
you pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing
sections, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around which would
indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and
then caused the side to collapse.

Even though if you look at the pictures of the Pentagon you see that the
floors have all collapsed, that didn't happen immediately. It wasn't
until almost about 45 minutes later that the structure was weakened
enough that all of the floors collapsed." - CNN (09/11/01)
A civilian pilot, who was an eyewitness to the Pentagon attack on Sept.11, 2001 has come forward with an astonishing account that calls into question the official 9-11 story regarding what exactly hit the headquarters of the Department of Defense. He tells why it has taken him so long to come forward with his story and gives us some amazing inside information.

There is no evidence, physical or photographic, in the public domain to support the government version that a Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon. Link

And as most people have said on this forum, if the government has NOTHING to hide then release a video showing an American Airlines plane crashing into the pentagon, surely this will shut the door on the conspiracy of the pentagon.

Instead they release a lame ASS video of the gas station just like the footage from the pentagon, 5 years after the attack. Some one said on here that they had to get approval to release it blah blah and more blah.
There was nothing on the tape to suggest a 757 hit the pentagon surely it wouldnt have taken 5 years to release it or get approval to release it?

TRUETHAT or should i say FALSETHAT.

You strongly believe that arab hijackers attacked America on 9/11.

Ok why is it that you claim that ex president Clinton and his administration are corrupt but yet you cannot believe Bush or his administration is corrupt? Both are part of THE US GOVERMENT.

On one hand you say the government is corrupt and on the other hand you counter argue your own self by trying to prove the government wasnt involved.

Cheers

BZRK

Three questions: Where have you seen plane crashes, on TV?
Are you saying that Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden don't exist?
What makes you an expert on the topic of terrorism?

If you can explain your position on these questions it would be greatly appreciated. I like yourself, have struggled to believe Al Qaeda exists, its not like they've ever attacked the US before like in an embassy bombing, or an attack on a boat. Just because I approve of George W Bush does not mean you have to attack me. I never said the government is corrupt and I would appreciate it if you would refrain from insults on people who favor reality. Thanks, Best of wishes.

btw It was you all who wanted this "lameass" video

Where have you seen plane crashes, on TV?

Are you saying that Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden don't exist?

What makes you an expert on the topic of terrorism?

If you can explain your position on these questions it would be greatly appreciated. I like yourself, have struggled to believe Al Qaeda exists, its not like they've ever attacked the US before like in an embassy bombing, or an attack on a boat.