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Lizardian_guy
I've had this stuck in my head for quite some time, had to get it out.

Those of you familiar with the big bang theory know that "time started with the big bang". The main problem with this is, what caused the big bang? A cause, by definition, precedes its effect, but how could the cause precede it if there was no time before it?

Then, a light lit up. And this is where your brain might melt out of your head.

You have undoubtedly heard of the description of the conceivable universe has possessing three spatial dimensions and one temporal. My idea is this:

Imagine time as a line. You have a point zero, the big bang, and events following it are further down the line. This is what we perceive. We cannot perceive anything happening outside of that line of time. However, time might be multidimensionnal.

Instead, imagine our timeline as one of the infinitely numbered lines in a two-dimensionnal plan. Now, because of the two dimensionnal nature of time, only timeline parallel to ours do no cross ours.

Now, the question is:

What if an event in our timeline had its cause in somewhere else in the plan? You have on timeline which crosses ours, cause happens, and the event in this timeline happens at the exact crossing point of this timeline and ours. We would see the event, but be unable to determine the cause, as it is not situated in the single timeline we perceive.

Same may be true for the big bang. In the graph, the Y axis is our timeline (see attachment). Same may be true for a number of other things.

What do you think? Give me a reply, and keep in mind that saying "God did it" will cause me to pelt my feces at you and to press my balls on the back of your head. Just a friendly warning.
RisenPrism
Let me put it this way, a long time ago I came to the realization that, if indeed there are infinite alternate realities and possibly an infinite number of other universes, then even the simplest things in the cosmos could not be understood by the six billion collective minds of everyone on this planet. I truly believe that time itself is to complex for any human to understand. Oh, and one more thing GOD DID IT!
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE(Lizardian_guy @ Sep 19 2006, 10:29 AM) [snapback]1356109[/snapback]

I've had this stuck in my head for quite some time, had to get it out.

Those of you familiar with the big bang theory know that "time started with the big bang". The main problem with this is, what caused the big bang? A cause, by definition, precedes its effect, but how could the cause precede it if there was no time before it?

Then, a light lit up. And this is where your brain might melt out of your head.

You have undoubtedly heard of the description of the conceivable universe has possessing three spatial dimensions and one temporal. My idea is this:

Imagine time as a line. You have a point zero, the big bang, and events following it are further down the line. This is what we perceive. We cannot perceive anything happening outside of that line of time. However, time might be multidimensionnal.

Instead, imagine our timeline as one of the infinitely numbered lines in a two-dimensionnal plan. Now, because of the two dimensionnal nature of time, only timeline parallel to ours do no cross ours.

Now, the question is:

What if an event in our timeline had its cause in somewhere else in the plan? You have on timeline which crosses ours, cause happens, and the event in this timeline happens at the exact crossing point of this timeline and ours. We would see the event, but be unable to determine the cause, as it is not situated in the single timeline we perceive.

Same may be true for the big bang. In the graph, the Y axis is our timeline (see attachment). Same may be true for a number of other things.

What do you think? Give me a reply, and keep in mind that saying "God did it" will cause me to pelt my feces at you and to press my balls on the back of your head. Just a friendly warning.


After reading you idea, the first thing that came to mind was the branches of a tree.
Byt then even this would have a beginning!
DaveyHolyhead
QUOTE(Lizardian_guy @ Sep 19 2006, 10:29 AM) [snapback]1356109[/snapback]

I've had this stuck in my head for quite some time, had to get it out.

Those of you familiar with the big bang theory know that "time started with the big bang". The main problem with this is, what caused the big bang? A cause, by definition, precedes its effect, but how could the cause precede it if there was no time before it?

Then, a light lit up. And this is where your brain might melt out of your head.

You have undoubtedly heard of the description of the conceivable universe has possessing three spatial dimensions and one temporal. My idea is this:

Imagine time as a line. You have a point zero, the big bang, and events following it are further down the line. This is what we perceive. We cannot perceive anything happening outside of that line of time. However, time might be multidimensionnal.

Instead, imagine our timeline as one of the infinitely numbered lines in a two-dimensionnal plan. Now, because of the two dimensionnal nature of time, only timeline parallel to ours do no cross ours.

Now, the question is:

What if an event in our timeline had its cause in somewhere else in the plan? You have on timeline which crosses ours, cause happens, and the event in this timeline happens at the exact crossing point of this timeline and ours. We would see the event, but be unable to determine the cause, as it is not situated in the single timeline we perceive.

Same may be true for the big bang. In the graph, the Y axis is our timeline (see attachment). Same may be true for a number of other things.

What do you think? Give me a reply, and keep in mind that saying "God did it" will cause me to pelt my feces at you and to press my balls on the back of your head. Just a friendly warning.

you writings make little sense to me, try reading back what you write before you post it. and god did it...
ACfishing2
Picture the universe as a giant bubble. There are other bubbles foating in space. When two bubbles collide, They create a third tiny bubble after the collision. It quickly expands to become another bubble.

God did it.
rassy
hmmm, maybe a lesson to learn from this thread is not to mention that you dislike 'God did it' answers LOL I, too, believe God created everything, but in the interests of being objective and respectful of your wishes, I'll not include that theory. What I was picturing, however, from your interpretation of how you view the events, was more or less a wee thing that we cannot comprehend, that had so much pressure building up that it simply exploded in the end. Yes, I know that means there was time involved, but why can't there have been? Maybe time is eternal.
Lizardian_guy
The God did it part was mostly a joke directed at those who'd say I was wrong because it's not in the bible. I hate these monkeys. And if you're offended by that last statement, it probably means you just don't get it.

Anyway, ACfishing2 also has a good theory, but if you think about it, it's the same thing I said. An event not happening in our time line caused one in our timeline.
Mysterious Molecules
I think it's healthy to think such thoughts, just please don't go down the path of believing your own thoughts. I talk from experience. original.gif

I don't believe in the big bang btw.

I also like already stated, believe that our simple human mind will ALWAYS limit us from understanding this whole charade.

But healthy thinking, keep it goin wink2.gif
SunDogDayze
QUOTE(Ykaedhi Aewee @ Sep 20 2006, 09:24 AM) [snapback]1357947[/snapback]


I also like already stated, believe that our simple human mind will ALWAYS limit us from understanding this whole charade.



I have to totally agree...most of the time i cant even remember where I parked...how could i expect to solve the mysteries of the universe???

But, its a hoot trying to! w00t.gif

By the way,
The Flying Spaghetti Monster did it.
http://www.venganza.org/

Mysterious Molecules
QUOTE(SunDogDayze @ Sep 20 2006, 06:28 PM) [snapback]1358199[/snapback]


The Flying Spaghetti Monster did it.
http://www.venganza.org/

Loool awesome link there!

Entertainment for the next couple of hours haha wink2.gif
Lizardian_guy
I already know about the greatness of the FSM.
Mysterious Molecules
Yeh it's just fun to read the Hatemail onthere....
cindymars
wink2.gif Get out of your mind and you can directly experience multi-dimensions.

It dog did. w00t.gif
Mysterious Molecules
I think the only way of actually experiencing anything out of ones mind, would be to kill one self.
cindymars
The mind is just a tool to 3D living. original.gif
Mysterious Molecules
Been reading string theory have we now ?

Tsk tsk remember it's theory mkay original.gif
cindymars
grin2.gif I like string theory with crackers.
Heru
Isnt the big bang theory in the bible. God said something and bang something happened. grin2.gif

I dont think of time as universal. Ya I know I dont believe in a popular theory.
I always thought of the bing bang as the creation of existince, nothing became something. And time came after.
I see it as:

Existence
Seperation
Interaction
Time
cindymars



Seeing the Morph

Stuart Wilde
September 20th, 2006


A-List only

The Morph is the greatest gift we frail humans have received in thousands of years. It is a phenomenon that enters the room that looks like dry rain with colored sparkles in it.

Through the Morph you can access pure information. Writers and teachers may be honest people but their information can never be absolutely pure, because it is subject to interpretation and the filter of each person’s perception. Only information you access yourself is pure and because the Morph provides you with a lens into another world it opens you up a huge library of new information.

We learned more about metaphysics, and spiritual dimensions in the Morph in five years than has been discovered on these topics in the last five thousand years.

Redeemer’s Club members can email me on a daily basis via a bulletin board, and what I noticed was that many of them see the Morph without realizing it. Okay, they get a special resonance key when they join that helps them see it, but I was so moved by the fact that people are already at the doorway of the Morph without knowing it. It came as a wonderful surprise for me.

Via the Morph, video clips appear on the walls of the room you are in, or they play in your mind’s eye, and with the videos come visions. The visions describe a language; I call it a lexicon because in a sense it is a dictionary. Each symbol in the Morph’s lexicon represents a word or a series of words, or it represents an idea.

For example, a zigzag yellow line like a serrated blade on a dark background represents the tussle between light and dark. An elephant describes the presence of ghouls listening (elephant-big ears). Visions of water describe the Morph itself, as it is watery looking, and the appearance of a horse moving or stationary, describes energy in motion, like when things are moving up for you in your life. There are thirty thousand symbols in the Morph lexicon that myself and other have written down so far.

When on your bed in a darkened room put your hand up in the air and see if your fingers start to oscillate and blip out of view. They will dematerialize from the tips downward, towards the second knuckle. If they do, the Morph is present wherever you are. And you are looking at your very first transdimensional doorway, as at the doorway physical objects go non-solid looking.

When relaxing your mind suddenly blips out for a second or two, and you totally lose track of things, like missing time, that is a pulse coming to you via the Morph from another dimension. We call it a download, which is a bit of a fancy title for it, but in a way it is a download of a kind. It is a quantum of information, which is not like a conscious thought; it is more a silent ‘blip’ that contains information that is especially for you.

That information appears in your feelings bit-by-bit during the next day or so. The reason why these blips are hidden is because they come from a pristine world and the fast hidden blip is so the ghouls can’t get to it and corrupt it, or countermand it by offering you contradictory suggestions. Of course, you can countermand the suggestions yourself but at least it’s not a dark energy deciding for you.

I know many of you can’t afford the Redeemer’s Club right now so I decided to do a couple of “See the Morph” events that are open to members and non-members, which are much cheaper than joining the club. Members can come to the events for free, and non-members can also come but they have to pay the seminar fees.

(Euro 880 for Holland October, and USD 880 for Las Vegas, see below for links to more info)

I thought that might help those of you that need a hand with the Morph, that don’t want to join the club right now.

This is a brave new world that is coming in now and it is coming because the world stands at the brink of what I call, the Great Cleansing, whereby a new, very feminine energy, overlays itself through the mind and soul of our humanity, and it shows us all a new way, a softer way, a way that will lead us gradually to the Age of Forgiveness, and the reconciliation that comes from that.

Bye for now,

sincerely
Stuart Wilde

For info on "See the Morph" in Amsterdam, Holland, October 9-11th and Las Vegas, USA, November 10-12th click here or go to www.redeemersclub.com and see "events".

For info on how to register and join the Redeemer’s Club go to www.redeemersclub.com


© Stuart Wilde 2006 - For more articles and visions please visit www.stuartwilde.com w00t.gif
RisenPrism
Does someone partake in the occasional mushroom?
DaveyHolyhead
QUOTE(cindymars @ Sep 20 2006, 11:23 PM) [snapback]1358646[/snapback]

The mind is just a tool to 3D living. original.gif

You speak rubbish...sorry but you do
cindymars
QUOTE(mrhamblee @ Sep 21 2006, 02:37 PM) [snapback]1360001[/snapback]

You speak rubbish...sorry but you do


That's your opinion.You know what they say about opinions?
cindymars
QUOTE(falseprophet15 @ Sep 21 2006, 02:32 PM) [snapback]1359992[/snapback]

Does someone partake in the occasional mushroom?




w00t.gif Many years ago.I want to try ayahuasca.
ohio tsunami
Looking at the OP, I think we need to ask ourselves an important question. If any two timelines of any two different dimensions were to cross at any point, would they either cancel each other out or would the different laws of physics in both dimensions cause an anomoly and tear the space time continum? I know, sounds "Star Trekish", but we can break it down into two different scenerios.

Scenerio "A" would be if you have two completly different timelines of two different universes the two would cancel each other out completely. No cause no effect. I'm in no way a physicist, but possibly the causes and effects of any timeline can only exist in that timeline. Meaning that time itself may have laws which wouldn't allow an event from one universe to cause an effect in a different universe at any point in time. Just my opinion though.


Scenerio "B" would be if there could be a cause in one timeline and it could effect the timeline of another universe the anomoly of the effected timeline would tear the space/time continum and destroy both universes. Meaning that two timelines or causes or effects of can't exist in the same single universe without catostrophic results. Again just my opinion. Hope I made some since.
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(ohio tsunami @ Sep 22 2006, 08:31 AM) [snapback]1360541[/snapback]

I'm in no way a physicist, but possibly the causes and effects of any timeline can only exist in that timeline. Meaning that time itself may have laws which wouldn't allow an event from one universe to cause an effect in a different universe at any point in time.


I am guessing the laws being whatever would have caused a division in the first place.
cindymars
I read this at another Forum. The blogger allowed me to share it.


Wednesday, September 20, 2006



The illusion of consciousness, and the 6th Dimension


I was imagestreaming in my car the other day. (yes I know that is dangerous, but my brain goes on autopilot and I always get where I am going safely without consciously thinking about it) and while driving I had the most earth-shattering, paradigm-changing epiphany. My experience was so emotional it was borderline spiritual.

In my stream I was talking to a plant, and she (I assume) told me how everything that had existence was in fact aware of itself, in fact we were all part of a universal, nay multiversal consciousness perceiving itself to be separate. We are all the same she said, and that is the nature of God. As she continued talking, I got the AHA! moment, I grokked that life and death are both illusions (because all possibilities have actual existence), and that all matter isn't solid but rather it is similar to thoughts(thought energy) which have substance. I could hear myself singing: "row row your boat" as a child and wondering how I could have forgotten such an obvious truth.

I asked if she could help me understand the physics behind everything. (now here is where it got cool) She said each higher dimension expands the previous dimension in an infinite manner.

(1st Dimension)I could understand clearly in my mind as I saw a dot, which morphed into a line, and inside that line were an infinite number of dots.

(2nd Dimension)Then the Line morphed into a square and I could see clearly there were an infinite number of lines contained within the square.

(3rd Dimension)Then the Square became a cube and I could see there were infinite squares contained within the cube.

(4th dimension) I was aware of the Box's movement and it's progression through time resembling how the original dot formed a line

(5th Dimension) Then from out of nowhere my vision changed and I could see multiple kaleidoscope views at once. I could see infinite layers to the first through fourth dimensions. and how there were infinite boxes along the path the box followed and how they moved into our perception as time progressed I really cannot explain it better than that but I can still see it clearly in my mind. That there are really an infinite number of boxes but we only see it in sections kind of like an old 8mm film playing very fast but we cannot see the frames ahead of what is playing. and even though it really doesn't make sense I could see from this kaleidoscopic view that this dimension was similar to the the line forming the square.


Here is an alternate explanation of the 5th Dimension:


The 5th Total Dimension or the 2nd Dimension of Time is similar to a record. The "Past, Present, and Future" are already there, they are relative to the needles position on the Record as it turns (or we move along it), and the needle is our illusion of consciousness. Past, Present and Future are all relative to the position of the needle (our illusion of consciousness). The Past and Future have as much ACTUAL existence as the PRESENT does... At first this would make one think that there is no free will and that we were indeed a record... In steps the the 6th Dimension or the 3rd Dimension of Time....

(6th Dimension)At this point I could see layered upon the 5th dimension were infinite possibilities, this is really hard to describe but what I saw was an infinite number of multiverses layered upon our own...It was amazingly similar to how a plane formed a cube. Each layer had the same 5 Dimensions as previously stated. And that all of them *were connected and NOT separate* from what we perceive to be real. I understood illusion of consciousness is what allows us choose the reality we wish to live in. In essence we experience all realities simultaneously, but only consciously perceive one. We all navigate these infinite possible layers by our actions, thoughts etc., in essence we are all multidimensional beings experiencing ourselves in 3 and perhaps 4 dimensions. I believe the 6th dimension is the quantum dimension, and that there is no such thing as precognition, we are merely selecting (not creating) the future or destiny we want. If there is something which can be considered a third eye, esp etc.. I believe it to be a sense where you can perceive the 6th dimension and select the path to the outcome/future of your choosing.

Here is an alternate explanation of the 6th Dimension:

The 6th Total Dimension or the 3rd Dimension of time, is like we are in a record store with infinite records with infinite variations of each song... so we can switch records mid stream and never miss a beat! We don't even know we are doing it. We can listen to any of the infinite possibilities. There are infinite multiverses, all possibilities have ACTUAL existence just like the Past, and Future.. but it is all relative to our perspective what we choose to experience is the illusion of consciousness....

At the end of the Image Stream I realized that as observers we each lived in our own separate universes of our choosing (consciously or not), reality is what we choose it to be, we select it like a channel from the TV. That sentience, was only the illusion we were separate from the multiversal consciousness. I also understood what death was like, an expansion of consciousness, and unity with infinite possibilities in the 6th dimension. A complete and total state of awareness of all that was, is, and could be.

I so get it.....

We can choose our own destiny.... The reality in which we live is of our own choosing (consciously or unconsciously)

What is really mind numbing is that I now realize all these infinite possibilities are in fact ONE.... everything is ONE object being viewed from different angles/perspectives.... that's all it is... everything is happening all at once.... past, present, future... all at once... all possibilities are happening all at once.... and all of this at one singular point. Infinite and one are the same simultaneously, and it is our illusion of consciousness which gives us the choice of which angle/perspective to view this one object from. The Universe/Multiverse is a SINGULAR Six-Dimensional Object. It is completely still and static yet contains all possible realities, futures, pasts, and presents. It is our consciousness that perceives only one aspect /angle/perspective of this 6D object. Actually it is all relative to our perspective as observers.
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