Alchemy - dissolution and coagulation - the seperation of the various ingredients of LIFE and the recognition of the relationship that exists between them...

" The Stone became more valuable more often the process is repeated"

King and Queen, Sun and Moon, Male and Female, Active and Passive, Objective/Subjective, symbolic of the division between Inner and Outer (the veils between planes) which can only be realised in death. However it can be grasped somewhat during a pseudo-death, that which detaches the physical from normal conscious stimulus, a period of incubation, fasting, isolation giving the individual an opportunity to discern the nature of the living organism in a "vacuum" and then relate it to the material universe. The result of this seperation and subsequent re-union is the process of disintergrating and intergrating, bringing together the personal life of the individual with cosmic, universal Life.
The philosophers stone was the secret of life itself. related, on a Cosmic level, to the first germ of life on earth (The Phoenix rises from the ashes of its own demise, Atum, the egyptian creator god brings forth life from his own cosmic seed) The alchemists work was divided into a pattern of 4, and then a further 7. The four relate to the elements themselves, and in the psyche, Sensation - Thinking, Feeling and Intuition. The process of the work moves in a circular sequence.
The Black - the unconscious, where parts of ourselves have been abandoned and forgotten, the alchemists started with the premise that something was amiss, and matter and life had somehow been dislocated. Consequently the ordinary light of everyday consciousness must be extinguished (Dark night of the soul).
Then the White moonlight appears, the subconscious feminine, the subjective, the goddess, this must also be experienced and analysed. These elements must not be assimilated and understood by the conscious mind, similar to dream interpretation.
But the process is not complete until the golden waters that blend the conscious and unconscious elements of feeling and intuition especially, actually water and feed the dark mother earth and bring forth fruit. Isis unrobed. In otherwords, they must be used in everyday life. Then the process repeats itself. We become.
In the final stage, the collective conscious life must fuse with the collective unconscious to form a new enduring experience of Self at one with the Cosmos, united in a singular reality, which remains ever the same throughout constant metamorphosis and renewal.

Cool post. How much do you know about Alchemy?

Conceptually, a little

So what are you trying to say ?

What's your point ?

If you have to ask me that I suggest you try another thread.

No because i'm really interested in the deeper meaning of your post.

Why don't you help me understand what the point is ?

the constant of change....and..the constant of time...consiousness of the consiounce...

Nice little vocabulary... The point again ?

awareness of self.and consiousness..a state of being..which is terrible to learn and understand in a modern world as where all so materialistic....but it only helps you move through your life better thats all...., and make more balanced choices....which ultimatley effect and make the way we move through life..

Thank you.

Where did that come from? No source is listed.

No source is listed because it is not from any one direct source. Most has been orally taught.

Oh and the point is there in the original post.

Nah, it's basically pretty pointless. Why did you post it if you don't care to discuss what you posted ?

Firstly, I can't discuss an alien concept with someone who has no experience or who cannot conceptually grasp the essence of the philosophers stone. It would be like trying to explain to a bumble bee what lego is. No disrespect.


Secondly, i've already stated twice that the point is in the original post. Its to be thought provoking and to appeal to those which experience or knowledge of this subject.

If perhaps you would have asked about specific content I would have retorted.

[quote name='Henge_Witch' date='Sep 23 2006, 10:39 AM' post='1361768']
Firstly, I can't discuss an alien concept with someone who has no experience or who cannot conceptually grasp the essence of the philosophers stone. It would be like trying to explain to a bumble bee what lego is. No disrespect.[/quote]
Actually i conceptually completely understand what the philosophers "stone" is. So does the bumblebee and it couldn't care for your twisted perspective of it.

[quote name='Henge_Witch' date='Sep 23 2006, 10:39 AM' post='1361768']
Secondly, i've already stated twice that the point is in the original post. [/quote]

Sorry the point is not in the original post, it is here in the next quote :[/quote]

[quote name='Henge_Witch' date='Sep 23 2006, 10:39 AM' post='1361768']

Its to be thought provoking and to appeal to those which experience or knowledge of this subject. [/quote]

Frankly it just didn't appeal to me simply because you fail to explain this to, no not a bumblebee, but a human. Making you more of a bumblebee than me. No disrespect.
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[quote name='Henge_Witch' date='Sep 23 2006, 10:39 AM' post='1361768']

If perhaps you would have asked about specific content I would have retorted.
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Yep. Point wasn't contained in original post, thanks for letting it out in the open.

Let me say what you fail to say in bumblebee language :

"Philosophers stone is a spiritual concept, not of matter, but within the mind. Wisdom. With it, you can turn common matter into gold, theoretically."

Thought provoking yes and interesting yes, hard to explain to bumblebees ? No.

My "twisted" perspective of it was explaining the basic process, also suggesting parallels in ancient spiritual symbolism. I could go into the stone in far more depth, but it seems you would rather play "my brains bigger than yours". I'll pass thankyou.



"Philosophers stone is a spiritual concept, not of matter, but within the mind. Wisdom. With it, you can turn common matter into gold, theoretically."

Correct, why didnt you state this in the first place? We might have gotten to a sensible point of discussion instead of random flying accusation. "sigh"

Don't let me stop you from going in more depth friend.

My brain is small and humble compared to yours, but i like bumblebees.

I'll leave this thread so that you humans can have an intellectual conversation.

Quit the fighting for an answer....

its all written in the words, if you cant find the meaning behind it then your not letting yourself open up inside, your more concerned with having the answer given to you on a plate....you need to search your soul for your own answers.

I bet you would think the following statement to be pointless aswell.....

the philosphers stone is revealed before your eyes when you can transmute lead into gold...with the knowledge of alchemy as your language of the material world you can create from the dullest the most beautifull...

if you do think thats pointless then turn around, walk away, you just dont understand.

syd barrett reached for the secret to soon, he taught us not to do that.

Henge Witch...I guess I just wanted to know if you wrote the original post,if they are your words because you said you only had a conceptual idea of Alchemy. I do know Alchemy. I thought that if you wrote that you seem to know quite abit about the subject. I was hoping we could discuss.


Hey Awee...don't you have something better to do?

Hello Mrhamblee...

You are right. The whole concept of the "stone" even the thing itself is based on the concept of symbolism as a universal language, the relationship of the elements in the outer world, and the interaction between levels of consciousness and understanding within the human psyche, the inner, the self and "the other". These symbols attempt to express fundamental principles that are synchronistically true for both and alchemy has provided evidence that substantiates this duality since its practitioners continually applied archetypal symbols to the microscopic universe (Mercury - Hermes etc.).

Examples.

Fluids could be distilled. - The product was concentrated and purified in essence, in the same way, the emotions, isolated and concentrated, analysed revealed their most valuable fruit.
Amorphous matter could be broken up and studied - impurities discarded as useless, or purified by fire. The way that bitter experience can sometimes purify the character and therefore erradicate useless destructive traits. Fire can purify, but it can also destroy, so should therefore be controlled ultimately by the use of stability found in other elements.
Water - the subjective femine, intuitive emotion can dampen impulsive firey temper, the two can produce purification and life within the dark mother earth, or scorch/flood away to bear fruit again in a controlled environment.
Gross substances could be refined, the heavy could be made volatile, water made into steam, the evasive and mercurial could be tethered, the dry moistened. Combinations producing different effects through practice, experience, recognition.
Everything is subject to decay. yet even this is merely a facet of transformation since the essence of life is indestructible.
All of which we now call COMPLEXES - varying combinations of traits within the human psyche.
Central to the work of the alchemist was Mercurius, quicksilver, the hermaphrodite, that could knit these compounds together, and work between. As Hermes, the messenger of the gods could move swiftly between heaven and earth spreading knowledge and uniting opposing elements.

I am sure Mr.Hamblee you know the significance of Mercury in relation to the stone already?

What I meant was I am not a chemist )

mercury is the symbol of the soul and has divinity among the elements.
thats the short and sweet of it.