Watch 'Army of None' (17 mins)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=86...;q=army+of+none

Watch 'Before You Enlist' (14 mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFsaGv6cefw

I wasn't going to join the army in the first place, but this helps. Thanks.

The army sucks, I recon the Royal Air Force is much better

First. I am a veteran of the United States Army. I recently got out in June of 06. I have served in Mosul, Iraq and have first hand knowledge of what that video was about. That video EXACTLY demonstrates exactly what the army or military is all about.

Yes, they do tell you about college, its their main bait. However, once you enlist, the possibility of actually attending college is minimal. The reason behind this is due to deployments and training the army makes you do on a regular basis that interferes with school. I was taking eArmyU, which is online courses to get my degree in psych. I was getting A's in the classes I was taking for 2 months. Then my unit was ready to deploy for the second time in a year and a half. I got last minute notice that I could not deploy from my doctor after I already told the school I was deploying even showing orders. Since I dropped the classes after deadline and I DID NOT DEPLOY, I had to pay back 900 out of my pocket. I can go on and on about how true the video is, and i will....i will keep posting

heh I had to pay $1,200 for classes I had attended for 1 day and got all F's in because I passed the withdraw date here at ASU. And I'm not even in the Army... sounds like you got a good deal out of your mistake.

I wish these videos could be mailed to every person that the army sends pamphlets to. My daughter gets at least one a month. These young people are being told lies, nothing new I know, but they are looking for an education and these promises makes it so tempting. UGHHH I know people can't the government and this is how they are getting away with it.

I wanted to join the army, oddly and for unknown reasons (I think I know now) my recruiter talked me out of it

You could lure your enemies into a lustful aura and cut their throats all "Vampiric-style." Oh, yeah.

I'm glad I pulled out at the last minute. I am still in the selective service though, so if sh*t hits the fan, I could get called up.

I was in the army. It certainly isn't for everyone; very few actually. I didn't care for it. I loved being a medic but hated the structure of the military in that the entire lifestyle is based on mindless following of people that more than likely stayed in the military for the fact that they can't get along in the real world.

I don't understand how it is though that kids now are so gullible as to take everything at face value and not do research on their own. There is a war going on, and if you are so gullible as to sign up to go to war just because you want the college money and really don't want to be in the army then you have brought that strife on yourself...if a recruiter did truly lie to you then there are

Some recruiters will lie to get the numbers...others will overempasize the positives and hide the negatives. Just like anything else some are good and some aren't...

i live in canada and i plan to join the reserves but here in the reserves you have a choice to go into the war. but u guys should do something im serious like i look at how you gov treats u guys in the us and i am like man the gov thinks it can do whetever it wants and they have to be put back in there place start a revolution or somthing get rid of em and make a new one without crouption.

How exactly and why?

Well my husband is career Air Force and we're doing quite well actually. We knew what we were getting into when he joined at age 26. We've been able to live in England and it was a wonderful experience that I wouldn't have been able to do otherwise.

And my husband would do quite well outside the military FB! He was a physics major in college.

It's not all cake, but what is? Someone has to fight to keep the USA free (sorry others I'm from the USA and speaking of my experience, no offence).

I served six years in the Army. It was a whole lot of fun... but I just couldn't see myself doing it until I retired. I liked being in the Infantry, and I even approved of what we did... but being 40 or so, and sleeping in trees left me a bit cold.

I'm now JUST under retirement eligible in the Coast Guard. I get the same regimented lifestyle that I liked - and I get to actually DO something every day - instead of training to do something that I pray I never have to do (war).

Recruiters for the Dept of Defense services are scrambling - and I've always held a whole lot of respect for the saying, "Caveat Emptor" - "Buyer beware". If someone is offering you good money and a butt-load of cash for college - you had better bet that you have to do some icky stuff to get it. "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch."

If the job was cake - and you sat in an office, eating donuts, and had no responsibilities - you would get paid crap money...

The job is VERY arduous - with great dangers involved. THIS is why they offer such good benefits. It is also why recruiters only emphasize the good things and REALLY downplay the bad things.

The Coast Guard still has lots of people banging on our doors - so we can "afford" to be honest and talk about being deployed and doing dirty work. (1-800-GET-USCG) (no, I am NOT a recruiter!!)

Yes, join the army!

One must fight! Fight for that fat man with a pen whom declares war, but is much to lazy and scared to fight it himself.

Somebody has to be the president. That is a nonsensical statement.

You know it's fine to say these things but then when it comes down to it, someone has to fight, don't they?

People fight for their country so you can go around saying that you don't judge people but you have the freedom to make all the statements you want and not lift a finger to fight.

I was an officer in the U.S. Army. The Army is definitely not for everyone, since it requires actual physical exertion and a lot more brain power than the majority of people can actually muster. There were definitely times when I did not at all enjoy my Army experience, like when I went 18 days with no shower, in the middle of the Panamanian jungle, living on MREs and sleeping at most 2.5 non-continuous hours a day. That ROYALLY sucked. But I would not pass up the opportunity for $1,000,000,000. I learned that I can take a lot more than I would have ever expected, and now when faced with difficult circumstances I have the certainty that I will make it, after all if I can go for days without a bath and with almost no sleep I can handle just about anything. But if you are going in for any reason other than to serve your country STAY OUT!!! IT'S NOT FOR YOU!

Why I love to say these " things? "

Simply because I'm speaking from the heart, IMO war is an insensible and barbaric act, despite who's committing it.

I contemplated joining army through many tough times in my childhood, but as I got older I got wiser to the cause. And to add, I'm a solid 210 lbs, and have attended to 2 different Universities in my short life. So surely my IQ and physical capabilities are apt. No bragging intended, not I. With this said, I'm a strong advocate of anti war, and most of you know this and it angers some. But this does not mean I'm the only one that feels this way. No, 80% of my family and friends are too. No doubt I give it up to the forefathers whom died to get this beautiful multicultural county called Canada, and for what we have today. However now in 2006, we as a world community, we are fundamentally, technologically, and morally able as one to settle these global wars without barbaric methods from both sides. No more eye-for-eye ideologies. InI do not promote nor support terrorism, the war from either side is just that. One cannot solve war with war, it's historically shown, especially in Afghanistan, that answering so called "terrorists" by killing them and others, merely creates more terrorists. Creating more war. Most of you will discredit me for saying this, and this is mighty fine, I whole-heartedly expect you to. Like a Nazirite or Israelite, i vow not to cut my hair, this in itself refrains me from joining, unless I cut it. However, I will not cut nor fight for any man, strictly for the almighty. Hate it or love it.


We must become members of a new race, overcoming petty prejudice, owing our ultimate allegiance not to nations, but to our fellow men within the human community.


EDIT: To sum up, I agree with the title.

If you believe ANY propaganda in it's polished form IE: religion, science, military, etc. Then you deserve everything you encounter during your involvement with said group. There is nothing sweet enough to sugar coat enlistment in the military. We all know what their purpose is and until you've fulfilled your contract, college waits... life waits. Don't blame the military.

They havent lied to me... perhaps thats because I asked questions.

Nice, but we have Islamic fundmentalists that want to kill us all. Sorry.

You must be quite misinformed to believe that the Islamic fundamentalists want to kill us all. LOL

Is Mike Tyson included?

Serving your country is hard work and like those who actually were in the armed forces said above, "its not for everyone".

Its very simple; if you don't wish to serve in the army then don't. We don't live in a country where one is forced to serve if they don't want to.

AMEN. And those who do serve will contine to serve and protect the rights of those with opinions that differ from their own.

That is the bottom line for me; it is no different to tell people "don't join the army" than it is for recruiters to persue recruits. They are both recruiting for their own beliefs and goals, but the worst part is that the OP doesn't even have military experience or knowledge to be able to base the statement on. It would be like me saying "Don't join NASA and go to the space station because..." I have no idea to base my information on, and I'd be misrepresenting myself to say I had any depth of knowledge on the matter.

like some have said,joining the military isn't for everyone.My dad retired in 1975 after 33years in the service.Three Army Air Corps,30 US AirForce.
When WW2 came,he had a defurment because he was working at Briggs and Stratton
in Milwaukee,but told Grandpa he was going in anyhow.
He also had two cousins in the USNavy and several in the army during the war.
Daddy said he tried to model his life and career on his father's family.My grandfather's family has always served in the german military mainly as officers.One cousin Carl,was commander of Army Group Kurland during WW2.
In a lot of families military service is something you do.
maybe young guys and gals need to talk to those who have been there,to hear the good and bad sides of service life.It's not for everyone,just as becoming a monk or a race car driver isn't for everyone either.
But not all recuiters are bad and dishonest.
But we shouldn't forget those who are serving to protect us,and we should treat them with respect,not like hwat happend to the Viet Nam vets when they came back home.

Amen! Thanks for that. It's so true and so easily forgotten.

Heh, me either. They "warp" the minds of most who join.

No it's not. I agree with him 100%.

If 2 countries are at eachother's throats, I suggest we push the 2 presidents into a room with swords and axes scattered everywhere. Give'em a taste of their own medicine.

Show me an example of of a mind (especially a young mind) that hasn't been warped by some medium.

Social circles in high school? Nope

Athletics? No no.

TV? Definitely not.

Video games? Not so much.

Parents who don't hug enough? Whaaaa! Over-used.

What about people who are given the choice between 10 years in prison in lieu of a 4 year stint in the armed forces?

People just want something handed to them in a bright and shiny package with no regards for what they haven't accomplished. Just get off your ass, people, and do something. You aren't going to be forced to join the Armed Forces, you will not have to serve to enjoy the benefits of a sovereign nation in which to grow up and become an adult.

As long as you find your talent and make yourself content with your life and what you want to do with it then all be well.

There's a place for everyone but the Armed Forces isn't always that place. Learn to be a loan officer or a waiter if you can't handle that particular lifestyle.

The military is a very hard choice to make and most of the people complaining are those that thought is was going to be an easy ride. Not the case at all. Anyone who thought that when they signed up was a bit dim

Warp? In what way?



Its a shame that thats not how the world works...

why join the army when there is computer around?

Excellent post girty!

I say bless all of the men and women who fight for our country!

Im going to agree with fluffbunny here. One thing I found somewhat pathetic in that video was how they tried to say one of the soldiers who died "Was only 19 ! He couldnt possibly know what he was getting into !"

Uhh...

....No.

The US military is involved in operations accross the globe. Especially now with the war in Iraq. 19 is plenty old enough to understand that if you join the military your putting your life at risk.

But on the other hand part of the reason I decided not to join the military was outlined fairly well in that video. They lie. I would have a lot more respect for them if they didnt try to tell young adults "Oh dont worry, youll probobly never see combat !" When the fact is recruiters know full well that they cant make promises like that. And then trying to act like the military is "Fun" in order to get them to join ? What ? Is this the US military or is this the friggin circus grande ? If they were honest about who they were and actually followed through with their promises of college money and other financial aid they would probobly get a lot more recruits.

"ZOMG TEH MILITARY HAS WEAPONS DAt BLOW STUFF UP PEW PEW PEW ITS SO FUNZORS LOLOLOLOL JOIN JOIN JOIN"

Lieing through your teeth = minus 2000 respect points out of a possible 10.

the army was a lie since it was created, i think its a waste of time and life to be in it

Well, in my opinion, the entire thing; Down to the screaming, rudeness, speaking of violence 24/7, pretty much warps you into a "killing machine" with no consciousness.

Of course, let's put down our weapons and approach the Islamo fascists with open arms and friendly smiles.... that way they can shoot us in the chest more easily and when they show our decapitated head on the web it will have a nice smile on it.

Would you just stand there if someone came and struck you in the face? What would you do?

Well, I think you're a waste of oxygen, but I and all those who serve, will kill and die for your right to be an ingrate.

I am so glad we have an all-volunteer military.

That still doesn't change what I said. It warps your mind. And actually, the only one I'd say does not warp your mind, is video games and television.



Social circles in high school: Definitley. They are immature people who down on anyone who is not like them. So they basically meaningfully warp the minds of others into doing what they do.


Ahtletics? Definitley. They do the same as above. They do it out of CHOICE.

TV: Nope. They simply try to entertain people. If anyone gets warped, it's on that person. Anyone can get warped by pretty much anything given the right circumstances.

Video Games: Not unless you're a retard and no the difference between reality and video games.

Maybe I would, does that make me a fool?

The media portrays Islamo Facists up higher than you may believe, they're threat is not as dangerous as illustrated. Bush isn't the almighty protector as he makes most believe, he has other plans, big plans.

Is that what I am? A killing machine with no consciousness?

Btw, what kind of experience do you have with the military in order to be able to say anything like that?

You know what?

If my husband dies in this war he will have died for all of you to say the ignorant things that you do.

And I'd still be proud.

As someone else said, don't join if you don't want to, but there's no need to disrespect those of us who choose to make a life of the military.

who are u to say anything useful, Bush sends people from the military to be pointlessly killed in battle a war we shouldnt even be fighting in. Theres no honor in die for a cause that doesnt have a cause

I don't need one. I've known plenty of people who've been in the army.




Exactly.

I was gonna join the army, but the recruiter I talked to accualy told me that I shouldnt think of joining, not with bush in office and he says he was risking alot telling my that. But if I need to defend my home I will simply go and get a rifle from the local sporting goods and well.... TRY to fight but most likely I would die but atlest im defending my home. I wont join the military because the fact is we are fighting for other countrys, not our own. Im sorry to any vets that read this, I still admire our military but I cant do something like that while being controled by a madman.

In my opinion, going into another country no matter what the reason, is taking the offense. I believe in only defence. If someone comes here, and attacks US, then yes, we should fight back to protect ourselves.


I know they blew up the world trade center, but we missed our chance to defend ourselves from that event. There's no reason to go into their country now.

Im quite sure I know plenty more... AND I have experienced it myself...

yea Zero knows the deal

iam not saying that the military is bad its just the way they run things is bad