I find this very interesting. How could they lose something so important to humanity?
It's like losing all the moon rocks, with very little said about it. [Link to story from ABC]

How does something disappear from the National Archives,

unless it's an inside job?

Check out the full story before you post:

http://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/..._SSTV_Tapes.pdf

The National Archives loaned the tapes back to NASA Goddard, no-one is suggesting they were stolen.

If you think it suspicious that something important can go missing, you have obviously never worked in a large organisation. The company, not a large one, that my son works for has just spent a couple of months searching for a package. Turned out it was at the couriers all the time, someone signed it in without actually checking that the paperwork had a package along with it.

Raptor, out of respect for others who may not have a connection as fast as yours, please do not post photos that have nothing to do with the topic and are simply adding wasted bandwidth to be downloaded.

You can argue how such a large organization could lose all the moon rocks, till your blue in the face, and I'll still say it's smelly.

A picture tells a thousand words Fluffy. I know you love St. NASA, but I think they're snakes. The photos don't break any written rules here, and they are relevant, as the tapes have not been found and the equipment necessary to read them is about to be moth-balled.

What missing moon rocks?

I don't love "st. nasa", and whatever you think of them is your business.

I may think that nasa is a 14 meg 80000x80000 pixel photo of a cheeseburger, but that does not give me the right to add burger photos to make my point. It would be off topic and annoying to the other viewers, which is why I am asking you to please stop doing so.

The snake photos are off topic however and against the rules(posting off topic material and photos after being asked not to). I am trying to give your friendly warnings in regards to your posting style, but if you wish to push the point by posting more off topic photos I can push the point also.

Your disrespect, and your religous propaganda is getting very old.

No one has lost any moon rocks.


Additionally, the original tapes have not been "lost". They have been misplaced somewhere within the structure of a very large organization and undoubtedly will be found. It is not a major concern, as all of what is on the original tapes has been copied and preserved countless times, which of course is completely logical and reasonable to do.

You may say it's smelly all you like, despite the fact that it's really a nothing issue.

However, getting snippy and arguing with a moderator is not smart.

NASA is not getting off the hook that easy, nor is the National Archives. If this was a "nothing" issue, then how come it got picked up by the wires? Which reminds me, do you know how long it took NASA to release the Mars [Viking photos] of frost covering the ground? If you don't know, then you don't know enough to discuss how NASA operates. They take our money and withhold secrets, as if the Constitution gives them the right.

I have no beef with the rabbit. The rabbit isn't getting paid, which means he must love something.

Right now I am not loving your attitude, something that should concern you.

I like the pic of the snake. I may not agree with Rapt but i like the style. Not irrelevant at all, when I saw it it said 100x more to me than had he just called them "snakes". IMHO

I might decide to use the same style to make a point one day but now I'll feel like i'm walking on eggshells around the mods if I do.

Thanks John. I've never been told what was relevant to my own thread before.

Perhaps you should look through your other posts in others' threads to see how many of them have photos that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, it isn't like this is a singularity. As I said before, it is one thing to add relative photos to a thread, but you have gone into other peoples threads and added off topic things that are rather annoying.

How do I lose my car keys,

unless they were stolen?

Raptor, what's so hard about following rules? He's asked you nicely more than once. Just take the pictures down and let it go, man...

And he's not telling you to take it down just because it's irrelevant, he's telling you to take it down because some people have slow connections, and their pages will load alot slower due to those images.

Wait... Where does the constitution say they cant?

NASA doesn't need to get "off the hook". It might help you to realize that we're talking about historical artifacts, which have been misplaced, not forever lost documentation. As I said, all of it still exists in many, many copies of those originals. It is indeed a nothing issue.

As to why the "wires" pick up the story, there is nothing to indicate that the media picks up a story and makes an issue about it because it's necessarily important. Generally speaking, someone hears something like "NASA says they lost the original Apollo tapes," and they'll jump on it, not realizing, or even bothering to investigate the fact that this occurrance is akin to misplacing the original manuscript of Lincoln's Gettysburg Address.

A disturbing historical situation, certainly, but irrelevant, as millions of copies of this document exist all over the place, and nothing, save the artifact, has been misplaced. Everything it said is preserved for all time.

It is media exaggeration of the situation, which is rather typical in this day and age.





Well, yes, I do.

It took NASA until Martian Winter to release photos of the frost on the ground.
They were "released" immediately upon receipt, just as all the other images made by the two Viking landers were.

Viking 1, for instance landed at 7:53:06 am EDT on July 20, 1976, an auspicious anniversary, to be sure. 25 seconds later, Viking 1 began transmitting its first image...it's footpad. About 3 or so minutes later, we watched this mosaic materialize live.



The next day, this image, and others appeared in newspapers worldwide.



...the first color image of the Martian surface ever made, at a place called Chryse Planitia. One of the most incredible things that humanity had ever seen, was seen just as soon as it got here...

Viking 2 landed in September of 1976, and immediately began transmitting pictures, which were received minutes later at JPL, and published rapidly.

This was a fantastically successful project, and a marvel to witness.

Yes, I do in fact know something about how NASA worked...


But I am wondering what my knowledge about Viking has to do with the fact that a truly inconsequentiual misplacement of some original Apollo documentation--which has been copied thousands of times--has occurred?




You may not now, but you will likely find that he has a problem with you, should you continue to pursue your present path of conduct with him. I would advise that you consider this carefully.

Raptor likes to post pics.

I can confirm that there was not much of a delay. The frost was detected at the start of the martian winter in September 1977, with the first good picture taken on the 12th. I don't know the exact date when NASA released a statement about this, but the magazine "Aviation Week" ran the story in their 24th Oct 1977 issue, with a B&W picture, and put the colour picture on the cover of the 14th Nov 1977 issue.

You've gone very quiet, Raptor. Wasn't "a few weeks, max" the answer you were expecting? Could it be that you were the one who didn't know how long it took NASA to release the Mars frost pictures, and therefore you are the one who doesn't know enough to discuss how NASA operates?