Hi All.

As you can see this is my first post and I am somewhat of a 'noob' to this forum.
Im a big believer in many things and will try to contribute to this forum as much as possible.

But one thing in particular brought me here today.

I have been after some new reading material for a while after finishing the Carlos Castaneda "Teachings Of Don Juan" series of books which I loved.

I have been looking into various spiritual books like: Alchemy of Nine Dimensions / The Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment / Bringers of the Dawn: Teachings from the Pleiadians

Today is the first time that I have heard about the Pleiadians. And after some very brief investigation discovered that they have been channeled by a certain Barbara Marciniak. Similar to "The Council of Nine" who I have also encountered in my readings.

Soon after a little stint looking for books, I stumbled accross this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2bZm4e1Kuo...ted&search=

This clip blew me away.

And even a mention of the Pleiadians who I have just learned about to this day.
I did a little more searching and found a link to this forum, I thought that I had to share this with people who are perhaps a little more well educated on this topic than me.

If anyone that cares to read this could point me in the direction of some good reading material on the Pleiadians and any other known extraterrestrial life for that matter - It would be greatly appreciated.

Also, any feedback on that video clip would be interesting to go over.

Thanks All.
G.

I think that you would enjoy this book a great deal. It is considered by UFO buffs one of the best.

In my opinion when it comes to Barbara Marciniak and the Pleiadians I call BS. If it is one thing I have learned from 'all' psychics with something for sale is that all of them have been phony. Her 2012 prediction is BS and come 2012 nothing will happen. If we were being spiritually transformed the world would not be so screwed up. I mean it's already 2006 and the world has taken a turn for the worst not the better.

What she is merely doing is appealing to peoples beleif in aliens and telling them what they want to hear.

If she really wanted to enlighten people she would not charge money for lectures and her phony ass news paper.

What she does reminds me of what L Ron Hubbard did with scientology. Make people pay tell them what they want to hear and make a profit via exploitation

A list of what she sells...

1: Books
2: lectures/channeling and workshops(brainwashing)
3: A $3200 trip to france it should be noted that this includes nothing but her showing you around france for a little while. If fewer then 20 show then it costs more. This does not even include airfare or the $70 a night hotel room supplement. (No longer available)
4: Newsletter which is $46 for 2 years. So you get 8 12 page peices of crap.
5: Audio tapes ranging in price from 16 to 24 dollars. This does not include postage either.
I can buy CD's for cheaper then that.

Why would anyone pay 3200+ for a trip that does not include a plane ticket or hotel?
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It seems to me she wants to get rich and have a following (steady income). See the thing is she actually makes sense on a lot of things about personal empowerment and such. My problem is she claims to get this information from a warrior spirit named ramtha that is 35,000 years old who conquored Atlantis.

I mean let's face facts here we have a woman with a few thousand followers who dresses up in a white tunic and put's on an act in front of an audience. People who accept what she says are doing so on faith that she is not lying to them.

She just seems like the type who would tell you to drink the poison spiked kool-aid at the party. Maybe she will in 2012 so her and her cultish beleivers can be closer to a non-existant spirit. She is not the only one pulling the wool over naive eyes either. Many other so called channelers do this as well and like they are nothing but cons.

My advice to you is to stay away from such frauds and not beleive everything you read or hear. Especially Barb Marciniak she is either a few fries short of a happy meal or a con artist.

G-Money there is absolutly nothing to support what she and others like her except their words. To beleive such claims blindly on faith alone is pure foolishness...

If this is what you want to beleive that's fine but those of us who aren't naive know that she like others are liars and frauds.

Sounds a lot like religion to me, it's how they started out of course and look at them today!
If some one wants to make up something, all they have to do is go to a religious site for information on how to accomplish it!

What a world huh?

I totally agree with just about all that posted here about the 'rip off' -

Let's see Y2K - busted. Even some channeled aliens agreed we were in serious trouble.

Ms. Nancy L and her Planet X prediciton for May of 2002, oops the aliens had it wrong it was then moved to July - oops that was wrong too!

Then this past May (why do people want May to be the month bad things happen?) The comet frag was suppose to hit the Atlantic Ocean and wash out the eastern sea board. OOOOOPS! Didn't happen!

Then 6/6/06 aka 666 was suppose to have some things go 'bad' - ooops.

Now w/less then 6 years, we are suppose to have something happen in 2012 - a 'spiritual awakening) - Umm, ya - the Muslim's - Hindu - Christians and Jews are ALL going to agree to that one!


Here is a good question that should be asked:

Where in the Pleiadian Star System are these beings from? I doubt it would be from any of the stars directly in the Pleiadian stars?

Plus this always left me curious: Why are they called Pleiadians? I mean that's what we call that group of stars. So what are they called? What do they call themselves?? I am sure it's not Pleiadians, that would mean NOTHING to them -

Now it's nothing more than New Age Alien Religion and IF you open your "Heart" and WALLET to the truth - you too will be set free of your hard earnd cash!

Seen it, read it, heard it - and as King Saul stated: "There is nothing new under the sun.."

J -

yeah, I agree with that, the Pleiades are young (about 100 MY) and dominated by hot blue stars...

LINK-> Pleiades

The Pleiades are beautiful...especially through a scope. Why not we create some Virgons, Cepheidians, Hyadesians, and Lyraes, to name a few?

According to nasua{nasa} the pleides star cluster is nothing more then burnt out radiated planets, of course they did'nt give us the info on that until people around the world had claimed and/or met or spoken to them somehow.

In a way, it reminds me of all the walking dead reports going around from the fifty's and then some years later romero came out with night of the living dead. Not "real" of course, shame on you.

So, if you want to believe you gotta think, why would nasua{nasa} give false information?
Now this can become really good, depending on where you want to go with it. I guess i'm trying to be humorous about this, to let you know your setting yourself up with the skeptics and/or spiritualists/religionists.

The cure? ignore them. They hate that, thats why there's laws allowing them to interfere with anyone they wish.{public religion}

Now, here's a true story. 1972, it was fall and my adopted brother and i were playing in our room before dinner. David was playing with modeling clay on one of our bedrooms window sills. He said to me with excitement in his voice "hey, look at that, and i went to the window and looked. Across the road our nieghbor had a field were he raised 3 or 4 head of cows.
In that field or i should say sitting dead still in the air above it, was a craft that was trapasiod like in shape.

David and i were both exited because his father was a project bluebook fan and a close minded ass beside's. Our proof was just across the road. We yelled and bolted out of the house and ran with barefeet and jammies to the nieghbors field to look at it. When we arrived, the nieghbor whose field it was, was already there with 4 of his 6 sons with his wife and 2 daughters behind them. The nieghbors from next door to us were almost there as well, with their 2 kids. It was a semi rural area were the guy with the cows and my adopted grandfather owned most of the land. They were depression era people who farmed and raised meat.

As we were all looking up at it, a red light surrounded all of us and i felt warm and then the ground came up{unconsious} i woke up the next morning in my bed. apparently i woke up late, as did everyone else and only had about ten minutes to catch the bus to school. This is what i felt and saw, before i left the house. When i woke my feet felt gritty and i lifted my blanket to look, my feet were dirty and there was dried leaf crumble at the foot of my bed under the covers along with some soil from the field.

At that time mum came in and told us to wake up fast and tossed some change on our rooms common table, she said we only had ten minutes to get to the bus stop and to have breakfast at school so get moving. In the rush i got out "hey what about the ufo?" how did i get from the field to my bed without knowing it. The usual 7yr old who is getting more scared by the second questions, you know.

My mum said "what are you talking about" i could'nt believe it, she had been in the field with us and i clearly remembered her watching it along with the rest of us. I looked at david and he said it was there to my mum. She threw up her hands and said she did'nt have time for it and said go to school. All day i had the images from the night before going through my mind, i even told my friends in class and they all laughed at me.

When i arrived back home walking from the bus stop, i saw 2 strange cars in my driveway, one looked like a then goverment vehicle, the other was a police car. I also noticed them at other peoples houses. As i came to the end of our driveway the goverment car was leaving, one of the agents waved to me. When i got to the house, mum said to go talk with the cop. David and i went over to him and he sat on his heels and said "hey boy's" we said hi back and he said that, know i know you little guys maybe thought you saw something last night and i just want you to remember not everything is what you think it may have been.

I piped up with "it was real, why does all the grownups always lie about that? or pretend something never happened, david said. He gave us an impatient look and said to himself, "thats not going to work" and spoke louder to us, telling us that if we ever spoke of it again, our mum and dad would be in trouble and we would go to reform school as wards of the state and never see our parents again

He went back to our parents and talked a few minutes looking back at us now and then, he looked in control and he was one that enjoyed that control way to much, i could tell. When your a kid, you see with your real eye's for a time, before it's battered away by the system set up by or influenced by, religious concerns. "The good of all" hee hee heee! not. I'll try to tone it down, but i am being polite as it is.

To sum the incident up, at that time, i believe that a law had been enacted that would have in affect, made my parents traitors{or some such} by virtue of having been unfortunate enough to be an aliens guest, without them talking to them{gov} first or some such neo nazi nonsense, seein more of that! by the way. Anyway the short and curlies are that it was a common thing back in the sixty's and seventy's, just brutally gagged. Obviously the aliens tech,as well as the human nation within a nation that actually rules us all{their tech} allow things to be done far more effectively now.

Thats what i meant about it can get going good.

Well, that was cool and i believe i got through it without going over the bounds. Thanks, hope you respond.

No, according to NASA, and astronomers worldwide, the Pleiades is a nebula with young stars forming within it. To the dinosaurs, Pleiades didn't exist yet

Well hello, i said nasua because all the good stuff is tucked under national security and i forgot to use capitals when i did spell it correctly. Loyal citizen here hoorah! just a wee bit of difference as to what is normally considered that.

To your factual account, i can only say that the stars are young, but there's always planet sized garbage floating around out there in the deeps of the great void, just waiting to be caught in a suns gravitational field, to be recycled through fire{radiation} and world shaking agony's to eventually{hopefully} produce a life bearing world.

Long time, how you been?

No, most of that 'garbage' floats around in planetary systems, where they are formed. The Pleiades are too young to have planets.


Or hidden away in your conspiracist and ill-notioned brain. Do you really believe all this conspiracy crap? Seriously...

So your saying that all the rocks{however large} that are traveling through the void from supernovas and other cataclismic events, have no part in the formation of any star system with planets?

Do the stars spit out plasma that perhaps cools to molten rock and all those rocks get together and, you know, make planets.

Now now, thinking outside the box does'nt make me a conspiracist, why does that end with racist? huh! who knows. I have no problem with anothers skin color. Ill notions? so your saying that NASA does'nt cover up things for the goverment? Well, do you want to make this a good one or what? just kidding, it's fun though. They do keep things from us and i'm sure eventually, we'll all come to a bad end because of it. I hate the thought of dying without being informed first, it's just not right.

Did you not notice the word "most"?


Uhhh, I'm pretty sure no


But crazy, and ill-concieved ideas do


Where the hell are you going with this?


Do you think the astronomers of the world will lie to you?


You are informed. It's your choice whether to accept it or not.

I think he pulled the racist remark out of his own conscience because there was no comment of the kind anywhere in your post.

O.K. you got me, where does most of the debrie that forms planets come from.
No crazier and ill concieved then our society's leadership.
I think they would lie to protect their loved one's and of course, their own hides.
That last one was deep, though i can't predict the when, the how is already known.

Trying to be funny, you know, conspi/racist. You guys are bad.

yeah, makes you wonder... maybe Caana doesn't know that conspiracist is a real word?

NOUN: One holding a conspiracy theory. look it up

If it was something that supported our current society and it's upperclass leadership, it would be lauded as a brilliant idea, anything else is called a conspiracy theory. It's much the same system the religionists use except the terminology is different.

you must have an odd sense of humor... most people don't find racism funny. and I have no idea what this theory of yours, has to do with what I said...

I was pointing out the fact that it's not funny. In a humorous format.
I don't have a theory, just what i've been through, which is what i wrote for the guy who started this topic thread.

Everything that deviate's from today's societal programming is considered odd anyway, you know that, you write here.

LOL, you have me there...

Well, his topic is valid and frogfish got me sidetracked.

could you please supply a credible link to NASA purporting the Pleiades are 'burnt out radiated planets'? I haven't found anything to that effect... TIA

This topic is valid????? Do you have any proof of extraterrestrial life OR mediums besides this obviously fake video?
Personally I would love to have proof of life somewhere besides here but proof doesn't exist.....nor proof of psychics or mediums or ghosts or spirits.
No psychic or medium or anything resembling that has ever been proven.
P.S. Last night while I was falling asleep a representative from the planet Ooobiejubbie came to visit and told me that he doesn't exist............

No, they did'nt say that, i did because it's been awhile since i read about that disapointment. New stars put out radiation don't they and any rock, planet sized or not will be radiated just being in the same system. Oh yes, we live in an America where we have to use quotes exactly and make sure all the nose hairs are trimmed, right?

With all these people trying to prove right and wrong, it's a wonder we even got this far tech wise. I like movies that depict killing off the village council of controlling idoits and great strides are made after the elimination.

Thanks

As you know perfectly well, even if something is real, your society would tell you it is'nt and get away with it. A good example would be that old house out near the neo barb midwestern states, Arizona i think, anyway, when they tore down that old house that had a diary and a real newspaper{not from this scenario though} about the dead walking and all that and the paper ended up being stolen{disapeared}

My point being, if it would disrupt society as those who "for the good of all" would no doubt ascertain, it will be made to disapear. Your whole proof thing is sort of overshadowed in that all of American history is based on artificial provable things with no way to debunk them. There is no such thing as honesty in the world we all live in, just look at what the religionists did, they took artificial to new hieghts and the cluster f--k the world is today is all on them. What vidio?

First off space is not a void because it is not empty. The blackness of space is caused by dark energy. No all the rocks don't form planets look at our asteroid belts. They are the left over materials that never collected. For the most part asteroids and hot gasses mainly superheated hydrogen among others collect over billions of years and compress into a planet. It then takes billions of years after this for a world to form life if it is even possible for a planet to.

but it is theorized at one time givin the nature of planets like Jupiter for example that we did have a neighbor star that imploded then exploded. These materials gasses mostly were caught in our solar system and helped form the planets.

Well that's easy it's a coincodence are you implying that there is some type conspiracy surrounding the word conspiracist?

I will say that NASA hides nothing except the truth about how far they are starting to lag behind developing countries like China who with the Russians have a planned manned mission to Mars in the next few years way ahead of NASA.

With NASA being nearly obliterated by the Bush administration I find it hard to beleive that they have anything worth keeping a secret. They are now accepting private donations so they can fund missions and research since the US govt seems to be moving backwards instead of forwards. NASA was once one of the greatest institutions in the world and on the cutting edge.


There are conspiracy theories out there that have nothing to do with the government. Infact a lot have to do with religeon and such. Some conspiracy theories actually have some validity while others are just to far out there to be true. Many people not in the upperclass leadership do not beleive most of these theories and regard them as outlandish theories.


If your trying to be funny please stop...
I don't think you were trying to be funny and you never implied it. I think your just saying that cause you got it handed to you.....
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Caana I have no clue why you would defend such theories like the Pleiadians just because someone dresses in awkward cultish garb and tells you that's how it is. As they say the bigger the lie the bigger the buy. I find people are more willing to accept these types of cultish groups as opposed to real issues and ideas that are constructive and productive.

What scares me the most about people who buy into these types of fringe groups like Tom Cruise for example is that many are stupid enough to drink the kool-aid. It's kinda scary actually. These people are no different then those who beleive in the Bible, Torah or Quran either. All religeos groups are extreme in their beleifs and all have violent and bloody pasts.

I googled this and found nothing....

Fact is I know a thing or two about how the human body works and I can tell you that Zombies as seen in movies like Night of the Living Dead are not a possibility.

1: When you die your brain immediatly decomposes and your neural pathways break down. (brain turns to mush) No cognitive function is possible after a short period.

2: When rigomortis sets in your muscles stiffin up and your blood coagulates and hardens making movement nearly impossible.

3: After the body dies it ceases to produce, convert and deliver energy. Even if you put food in a dead persons mouth it will do nothing. As the heart is stopped and stiffins up due to rigo as well. Your lugs also stop working so no oxygen delivery to the muscles.
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So If someone died 24 hours or longer periods of time even less sometimes givin the conditions...They would have no sight, hearing, movement, energy delivery system, or any brain function. All of these are needed to survive.

Zombies as seen in movies are impossible as they are viewed in the movies. One must also note that Romero's movie had zombies but was not about zombies. Anyone who has seen the movie and knows what the 60's were about would know what I am talking about.
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Now 28 Days Later may be possible as the zombies were not undead. These zombies were caused by a super virus that would make you loose your mind and go crazy. Still though this is quite an improbable scenario.

Also I would like to know the source of your claim as well regarding this newspaper incodent. Also if one paper existed there must have been other copies as well where are they? Or did they steal those or destroy those as well. This story seems highly dubious to me and seems highly unlikely as well. It will take more then your word to convince the likes of me.

Well, i was never much on solar system development, as far as being handed to me, they new what i meant and twisted it. I'm not defending the pleiadians, there the same old crackpots we've had to deal with for thousands of years and still are, they just feel the need to compete with the other religionist crackpots, what can you do? i mean really. The only way to get rid of the whole mess is to do what the religionists did to free humanity so long ago, have a wipe out party. We non- believers of course, are far more sophisticated then they, which of course was our downfall and the fact that the religionists stabbed everyone else in the back hideing behind words of peace and love. Much as they do today.
It's another example staring us all in the face and were going to let them do it all over again.

Truthfully, the only reason they came to power is because of their deciet, they were not strong enough, so they waited and ingratuated themselves playing yes man to everyone, much as they do today, pretending. I'm speaking of the R.V.I. leadership, not the sheep fodder, though they can be pretty bad themselves when they get worked up. It scares me knowing they have the legal meeting places with tax breaks and all that and they lobby to shut down anyone else who would or could become a threat to them.

They have an intact power base outside the goverment, while free human Americans have no way to organize the way they do. If they should choose to impose themselves on the rest of us more then they already do, we can't stop them. They would use our children against us to keep us in line, while at the same time destroying there minds and perhaps there body's, depending on the childs level of resistance. But yes, i agree with your assesment.

Hmmm....jump on their spaceship or whatever they told you it is called........send us a message when you get there...

The whole premis of the dead thing was a radiational energy that kept the mind operating at a severly reduced level with chemicaly induced hunger for meat. That same energy also reduced the physical aspects of what you just wrote, they still rotted after death, just slower. Most people walk around rotting after the age of 22 anyway, the infliction is called ageing. but even though are body's begin dying at that age it takes what, 80 yrs average to die now? I'll need some time, but it was on unsolved mysterys years ago, i'm sort of computer illiterate and it takes a lot of time for me to searce. But this is common knowledge as far as the diary and newspaper and there was only one.

If you controlled a holographic planet and wanted your constuct population to move on to something else, you would delete the current scenario and plant a false history to any extent you wished, that does'nt mean you could catch everything. You could change the houses and buidings and the land and the sea but not all of them right off. It is my belief that the paper dissapeared because they made it not exist anymore. The same for people, as far as memorys and even life situations go, why do you think all that strange stuff out there is even there, the number of people put away or their brain destroyed because they are convinced they are some one else or some thing even, is in the thousands or millions world wide. Even some of the other writing in this site reflects that.

The most amazing thing to me, is that though i would'nt be considered a genius, i see all this stuff. Yet the sleeper{unaware} does'nt. When you rule a holograpic world, you can change any of it's parameters, as a whole or localized, mass population or individuals. What if that is the big secret {gov} is hideing? Huh, hey everyone your not really real and we don't know when the controllers are going to shut us off, but even so we still have to beat you and make you behave, why? because it's something to do. Could you imagine?

I'd pick the ten worst scum i ever had to deal with and blow holes in them. The worst thing about a hologram is you can save its originals and copies with variations subtle and minor and torment your constucts, though more complex it reminds me of pc and vidio games. the same scenario can have different outcomes depending on actions taken. Anyway, i call them scenario shifts. Also, why do you think people have deja vu. Of course there are stock answers but think of it within this context for a moment. It's late and i gotta go sleep, bye.

You can get what you want w/o genocide.... I know a lot of christians who genuinly beleive in peace and love and it seems to be the majority of them as well.


Most of the 'sheeple' do not know better and the fact is religeos institutions do not have power here they are merely tools used to keep people in check. If religeos institutions were that power hungry they would destroy all of the smaller religeons. Scientology for example would have never been allowed to happen.



Religeon again is a tool used by the special interests who give them the most money. In turn they keep spreading their words and such. Religeon does not have power over government or corperate and banking interests it is reverse. Religeon is one of the opiates of the masses. It is a great mind control tool.

The mind control tool bothers me, i mean without some religious barb theatening to kill you, if you don't tell him his religious horror fantasy is real, why would anyone put up with them period. I can answer that, brainwashing and their quite effective with it to. The point is just because they stopped the killing does'nt make what they believe in real and i have a personal problem with how they came into power. There are more ways to murder a person without killing then killing itself and they have perfected them and use them, why can no one see.

Opiates of the mass's? thats only because nothing else is allowed. i don't see any difference between any of the religions and their leaderships. Weather by flame or peace their various books tell them to destroy their enemys, i don't trust them and i never will.
Humanity would be better of without them, the only problem is that most free unfettered humans are not killers, even in times of need. While most religious people are quite capable of murder. Those buttons are ingrained in them from the brainwashing, willing or unwilling.

Radiation does not behave this way though and hunger is bio-chemically induced in the brain anyway. Infact Radiation actually destroys your cell structure as it shoots through your cell structures like bullets. Radiation makes you literally fall apart. It takes apart your DNA molecule by molecule and eventually kills you.


As I said in the above radiation actually makes you fall apart faster. Firs your hair and teeth fall out as well as your finger nails. Your skin will eventually begin peeling off as well as the radiation picks you apart at the sub-atomic level.


This is a flat out wrong assumption. You are not decomposing while you are alive. The body just gets worn over time. Gravity and sunlight for example cause the skin to loosen and wrinkles form. You are not rotting until you die. Infact after you age to a certain point it stops as in you appeat no older at 90 the you do at 77. This however varies from person to person.



I have never heard of this until now and I have googled and searched for you story and ones similar to it and found nothing. If it's common knowledge to you only it appears. As for the news paper if it existed or if it were real there would be more then one. It would have been found by now. There would also have been witnesses to some extent. Keep in mind this was also in the 50's and back then radiation was the answer for everything in fiction as well.
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Because people are free to express them selves and their beleifs whatever they might be.


Ok.....
Brainwashing = Mind Control you have a problem with what I said then go on to say the same thing.


I agree...


I am an atheist myself and I am allowed to express myself. Religeons are different from one another and there are more of them then you could imagine. some are based on personal enlightenment and some are based on the beleif of a God or Gods. Though some may be similar in nature they all have fundamental differences.


Not every religeos person is violent in nature. Infact I would imagine alot of members here who are religeos will take offense to this if they read it.


If it came down to my life or someone elses I would defend myself even if it mean't taking a life.


Again not true and you are just typecasting people If you don't trust religeos people you better find a new board to post on cause most people here I find do beleive in some religeon what ever they are.

Why even say things like the above it is immature and childish and clearly shows how misinformed someone can be.

Christians who follow the word of Jesus for example beleive in non-violent solutions to problems. Some of my best friends beleive in Jesus and follow his word and I think for some it actually helps.

"He who has not sinned cast the first stone"--Jesus Christ
"Love thy Neighbor"-- Jesus Christ

Do I think Jesus was real of course. Demi-god no.

Jesus Christ was a revolutionary who was quite opposed to organized religeon and violence and what have you. If more people in the world followed the two quotes above it would be a much happier place. Not to mention all the other good things he said.

Just watched the vid.......what at hoot

Man.

1st post and I start off a 35 comment thread.
Im glad its got people thinking.

After reading the comments on the video link I posted in the initial post, many people are obviously saying this guy was making a fake documentry.

This really frustrates me.

Why do these people go to all this trouble to create such ellaborate hoaxes - Just to fool people? The topics raised in the clip, cydonia, pleaidians, nasa satelites, civilisation and evolution.

These are some of the biggest questions that face us as humans on this plannet.
Im 24 and am only really starting to get to grips with things that im reading and im probably very susseptable at the moment to new ideas, so when i hear that sh** like this is fake, it really pisses me off.

Anyway...

A friend sent me another interesting clip for your viewing pleasure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_eY7R7Hjgs...ted&search=

Im sure this has probably been posted here in this forum somewhere before, but for anyone that has not seen this yet.........

Its pretty interesting.

Well, if it offends, they need to know that when i read their stuff, it offends me as a human being. I'll of course tone it down, but it won't be because they'll be offended. It will be because i am a nice person and have made my point to counter some of their stuff. It's called being polite and letting people know i won't be gagged.

Umm, you say NASUA and/or NASA - ok, here - provide a link that shows what you are you talking about, please - from Nasua and/or Nasa.

Thanks - J -

Not just to fool people to make money. Many of these people are simply trying to get rich. If I never had morals I know it would't be hard to pull something like Barb Marciniak did.

It should piss you off because it's true....
Nah these are not the biggest questions we humans face. Why beleive everything you read blindly. Your the same age as me and I know better, you simply cannot seperate BS from fact.
Don't be so naive!

It has been posted here a bunch of times and discussed. Most came to the conclussion including myself that it was either a puppet or animatronic etc.
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=27189
There are indiscrepencies in the video.....
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Yet I have not seen one religeos person here advocate the extermination of most of the world due to what they beleive. You may possibly be worse then most religeons as in terms of hindering progress.

Your point is completely irrelevant and not accurate to boot. If you don't beleive in religeon that's fine because I don't either. You still advocated genocide and that is unnacceptable. Time will heal old wounds and scars and we will progress without going to war with religeos people.

You have been less then polite with some of your highly offensive and discriminatory comments. I don't think anyone was trying to gag you in the first place....Sometimes people who spread hate should be gagged. Perhaps those who seek the extermination of an entire group of people.

Well, I just wish the Pleiadians would hurry up, and land already.
I'm already packed for the trip, and getting bored waiting.

I pointed out their methods and also said that free humans don't do that, thats not advocating extermination or genocide. Your the one misreading.

No I never misread but your opinion has changed and jumped all over the place I am beginning to wonder if you even know what your saying. You did advocate wiping an entire group of people as there are not as sophisticated as the non-beleivers.

Insert genocide here.... You say we have to wipe them out to ensure our survival. You did imply we wipe out religios people. This is genocide no matter how you spin it.

I never misread anything you did advocate wiping out people...

This will be the end of the track your forcing on me, "Again" when i pointed out the religious had a wipe out party, you left that part out, as well as the part where i said the sophisticated people are incapable of doing the same thing, though the need remains to defend against them and any major resurgence of that sort of behavior here in America{from the religious}

Your blatent attempt at misrepresenting the meaning of what i wrote figures. They can be cured by the same means as they have programmed others here, except without the genicide they themselves used to augment their programming. Free humans won't, can't and never will use those methods already used by the religious. Those old wounds will never heal, as they continue to make fresh one's, only from a different tack. The destruction of personal freedom and rights is largely due to religious citizens.

You can go nowhere without police being nosey, you want to rant at me, suggest a better place and i'll be game. This is about aliens and though the affects of what we are discussing is alien to humanity, this topic is about whether they control us or not, as well as the means by how they may have gone about doing that. Thank you.

You said the godless should have a wipe out party the same as those who follow a religion.
You also seem pretty sure of your superiority as well.

You said: "The only way to get rid of the whole mess is to do what the religionists did to free humanity so long ago, have a wipe out party." You then go on to say how much more sophisticated the godless are such as yourself.


Ok I will take the whole quote Which in not so many words says wipe them out before they wipe us out. I remember another figure in history who had this idea as well but we won't go there right now.


They can be cured? So instead of killing them all you would simply commit cultural genocide. You have a very sick and twisted perspective on things citing that citizens of faith are resposible for all the worlds ills. Citizens don't have power and those that do display very little faith in anything accept their own power and greed.


Yet you have changed the topic of discussion how many times? First is was about crazy new age alien cults, then zombies, then your anti establishment/religious views. Now your changing it to how we are or how we are not controlled by aliens.

Practice what you preach....

Extraterrestrial life?? What about Teenager from Mars?

We don't care?

RKD

Catching up on the thread, I am reminded of something I told someone that wanted to start 'getting into this arena of study"

You >NEED< a working knowledge and understanding of:
............ Astronomy
............ Photography
............ Astro Physics
............ Computers and Computer Graphics
............ Biology
............ HUMOR!!

Now this is NOT a college degree that is needed, but one DOES need some basic understanding, so that when we talk of the Pleiadies Star Cluster - you know and understand where it is, what it is and what blue stars are. That you know what lens flares look like. You know why stars will NOT show up in a dark sky with a bright background, (unless you are taking pictures of the stars). Stuff like that - and HUMOR - you have to have a sense of humor or STOP RIGHT there and do not pass go, do not gett $200.00.

On top of this - with all the telescopes watching the night skies - and easily 1,000's of them, from backyards to mountain tops - it's funny just how no UFO's are ever seen or caught - even by accident. even from the Pleiadian star system... Hmm....

J -

Getting back to the Pleiadians, there is a guy named Billy Meier, who lives in the woods in Switzerland, who had person to person contacts with aliens who called themselves Pleiadians. There is I believe, still a cult following of Billy Meier and his "Pleiadians," as well as several books on the subject. Just Google it.

The Pleiadians filled Billy Meier's head with loads of codswallop, touching on popular mythologies, such as Atlantis.

I have a picture of a "ufo" which came with my book. I swear, it looked like a model, held close to the camera (part of the ufo is out of the frame), using forced perspective to make it look as big as a clump of trees in the background.

My conjecture is that aliens always give disinformation. So if you ever meet an alien in person, don't believe a thing he or she says. This is one way of employing the Prime Directive of Star Trek. Other ways are space-craft disguised as a meteor (I saw one of those) or perhaps some other human craft.

IMHO, the alien humanoids often leave clues in the disinformation, intended only for those smart enough to figure it out. For instance, scientists know that there could not be any place hospitable for advanced life in the Pleiades, because it is a maelstrom of gamma rays put out by the 7 largest and brightest stars.

On the other hand, star travelers in this corner of the galaxy may very well use the Pleiades for navigation. We can see it with the naked eye at 425 lt-yrs, so it must be easily recognizable by telescopes for thousands of light-years. It could easily be used as a device for creating a 3-D system of coordinates. Then all known interesting places, such as Earth would be given a 3-D coordinate with reference to the Pleiades.

~~~Cebrakon

Cultural genicide has already been committed by the infected, we live every day with what they replaced it with and it is far less then humanity used to be. My suggestion that we get rid of that culture using the same methods they have perfected to emplace it, is not out of line, as long as free humans don't commit the physical genocide religionists themselves used to assist in their cultural genocide of the free human community's around them and still do to this day, just cloaked in mealy mouthed "real" world concerns to further their agenda. They call it civilization, the only problem is that it is theirs and not free humanity's.

Many of the words used today have meanings that have been changed, for example, marriage{union}and used to mean{slavery} i could go on but some one like you could keep going on to, so why don't you let it go. You say you are athiest, so you feed into the R.V.I. terminalogy and except their branding of you, you tote their party line they have worked hard to emplace in the everyday thinking of most U.S. citizens through their monopoly on how the U.S. is run, You sound to me like a toddler frisking on the rug hopeing to get your belly rubbed by them. Whatever you say and however you may word it, it will be using their language, not your own. And your own language is what free humanity is all about. Whether your allowed to say something or not is a pointless statement. You say it anyway, free or confined, live or die, you can't be free if you allow anyone or group of people to change you. In short, you say what needs to be said, however unpopular.

You also ignored my description on how they are probably achieving that{aliens} so don't say i'm jumping around topics, if your so slow you can only think of one or two things at a time to follow where they may go, then your responding to the wrong person. Been real, later.

Why did you have to use all the random ranting just to say you want to wipe out the christians, insult me twice and tell me I am blind to the truth.

I don't avocate wiping out people. As far as insulting you, your just a big insult to yourself with your own ranting, you sound like some religionist on a witch hunt, Give yourself a break and stop insulting me. Then we can live happily ever after