AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77

American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard.

CREW

Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.


PASSENGERS

Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.

Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

Yuguag Zheng


no need for futher discussion

The account of the fate of Flight 77 has been the most questioned by skeptics of the official story. The official investigation ended on November 16, 2001, declaring that 184 of 189 of those killed in the Pentagon attack had been identified. 2 Officials claimed that the remains of all but one of the people on Flight 77 were identified. Human remains were shipped to the mortuary at Dover Air Force Base and to the DNA Identification Laboratory in Rockville, Maryland for identification by forensic pathologists and anthropologists. Two of the forensic scientists who were enlisted in the effort were Drs. Douglas Owsley and Douglas Ubelaker, both of whom were also involved in the identifying the mutilated remains of the victims of the Waco Massacre.

Thankyou. How anyone can discount these deaths and say it was a missle or drone, I will never know.

the thing that is weird is the paranoid delusions of the poor people who make up such bazaar conspiracies to start with . sort of like the people who claim the the WTC's were brought down by tnt ? i personally know people who were standing near the wtc and saw the jet's hit ! i would say that the paranoia is coming form some drug side-effect. they should seriously consider changing their meds.

Yep you nailed it alright, there's nothing quite like a passenger manifest to provide absolute proof. For my next trick I'll be proving Einsteins general theory of relativity using this box of cornflakes.

Hmm...I've heard of using chocolate to prove the speed of light, but not cornflakes to show relativity.

**Incidentally, it's amazing how many hits you get using "Einstein" and "cornflakes"!**

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/0...le-flight77.htm

Maybe pictures of the deceased will do it for you; if not you should visit Backus Middle School in Washington DC and ask for proof of Sarah Clarks exisitence, she taught there for many years, and was my 6th grade teacher.

You can find them all here

http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/

They could all be real people but that doesn't mean they were killed when "something" hit the Pentagon. Let's say the government was behind it, they would of killed the passengers and set up the scene or something like that without having to crash the plane. The plane could be in the Atlantic Ocean...for all we know.

I'm not a big skeptic but I do believe the government is behind a lot of this. They don't know the people they killed...so it doesn't matter to them. They want to bring FEAR to people so they can gain POWER and have people supporting them.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, not a serious one anyway, but I regret to say that I can't be 100% sure what did happen on 9/11. I just absolutley don't know. For me, there really are some questions that have not been answered, at least not plausably IMHO. But if I only had to go by logic, of course I would have to say that a passenger list and pics doesnt prove those people died at the crash sites, it just proves they are missing.

I hope I am dreadfully wrong in not being sure.

I'm still waiting for the 'absolute proof that flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon', are you wasting my time or are you able to provide this evidence?

if anything i think the whole missile into the pentagon is dis-information

Colbert, while I'm sure that this could be considered good supporting evidence towards the existance of the passengers on Flight 77, what is the connection from there to proof that the flight crashed into the Pentagon? Finish up your thought.

I think that what is upsetting about Conspiracy Theorists claims is that they haven't offered a shred of proof that what was reported to happen on 911 did not happen. All the little questions and accusations are really playing Monday morning quarterback with a God complex. You know how things were supposed to have gone down that day if what was reported to have happened DID happen.

But CT's fail to see an important thing. That we are all at the base just human beings who are handling everything. Even though there is a higher standard of competence as you go up the ranks, at the end of the day people are just human.

You might want to see bodies and proof on the site but most of the people there were just trying to get through what happened. If a plane DID hit the Pentagon, the priority that day was getting through that reality NOT making sure they could prove it later. And which body on the site would you like proof of? There were charred bodies on the site, do you want them to do a DNA test and place the body in front of you and say this is Jane Smith, here she is? That body is someone's child or wife or brother. And because YOU in all your grand importance, need proof you want them to desecrate someone's body for your satisfaction?

The part that is disheartening to me is this kind of attitude. You are so utterly convinced that you are correct that you ignore real evidence that says otherwise. And there is plenty of evidence that says YOU are WRONG.

That doesn't mean that the reported theory is TRUE but it does mean that what you have cobbled together with your quesitons and internet sound bites is not likely to have happened either.

No one at this point can say they no for sure they know what happened that day.

But in this process you are trampling the dead. You are disregarding those who suffered that day and you are cold to the idea that people died, families are devastated and there you are popping off with your inane theory like a total jackass at a family funeral spouting off about how the deceased was really gay.

No one cares about your theories unless you have proof. Untenable proof. Not THEORIES. There is a reason why you are called CTs and not Conspiracy PROVERS. You ought to think about that for a sec.

I'm not calling you a jackass by the way, just using an example.

I saw it hit, so did nearly 10,000 others....case closed.

Is that really your 'absolute proof'? Well this is disappointing, I thought we'd found a break through.

Indeed. There is, then, no link from what was initially posted to any sort of objective, logical, or even reasoned conclusion that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon.

Conspiracy Theorists lose credibility because they present arguments that consist solely of speculation, unsupported claims, and terribly researched data. Unfortunately, there are people on the other side who do the exact same thing.

Wow. You have gone to the darkside MF.

It seems everyone has their own theory on 9/11, some more extreme than others. I don't like to make claims as to what exactly happened because we may never truly know.

However, what I do know is that our gov't was involved or knew it was going to happen. Thats a known fact but what we may never find out is to what extent.

No, you do not "know", nor is it a "known fact", not until you are able to support it with imperical or objective evidence. Without support it is nothing more than a claim as to what exactly happened without truly knowing.

No I'm actually in between of the whole thing. All I want is absolute proof that I can't denie and I won't stop until I get it. Is that too much to ask?

Read and weep: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=79620

Try not to get too emotional. It keeps you from seeing things clearly.



Your claim is:



A mass of fragments and dots to not make for either involvement or knowledge of what was going to happen. All we know was that we had evidence that something was going to happen, but we didn't have the faintest idea what. What exactly was anyone supposed to do with that?

Incidently..."read it and weep"? What is this, a competition?

http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-c...ght-77-wreckage
http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-c...2#more-wreckage
http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-c...itness-accounts
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...842.html?page=6
http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

If this is insufficient then please explain what type of evidence would be conclusive for you.

Does that even look like the amount of debris, a HUGE boeing would leave after it crashed? Where is the wings.....and all the other crap that isn't present?

Remember the picture of a couple of people carrying a huge box. What is in it? Why is covered up and quickly moved away?


Another thing. The pentagon has so many cameras on the roof, yet we have only see video from one camera that barely shows anything. Why don't they show the video from the cameras that would directly show the plane coming at them?
And no not all of them were destoryed when somethinh hit the Pentagon.

What are you looking for? A single picture with all the debris piled up in the middle? What exactly would you consider absolute proof?



Why is a box od something taken out of the Pentagon covered up and taken away? Well, I can only imagine that the Pentagon has quite a few things in it that would be boxed up and taken away without anyone getting a peek. It's a place full of secrets, after all.

Why? What's so significant about this? Do you think they secreted every scrap of evidence of a conspiracy in the crash and took it away?

It's a tent, it's on the first link...

http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-c...ght-77-wreckage

Scroll down about half way...

Debris that's actually from the plane. There's pratically nothing there that likes it came from the plane. Where is the wings,chairs and or anyother junk you would normally see outside or on the inside of the plane.
It just doesn't look like debris from a plane. I might be wrong but I am entitled to my own opinion.

Sure you are, but I can only assume that you might be interested to learn if your opinion is incorrect or not. You aren't going to see pictures of wings (after crashing into a reinforced concrete wall at 500 miles an hour, they are going to look more like confetti than wings). I take it all the plane equipment, the landing gear, the wheel rims, the motor pieces, all those aren't sufficient? So, if you saw pictures of chairs, that would be good for you?

I can't tell that all that is from a Boeing especially since there is barely anything to see there. A couple of parts that might not even be from a Boeing. Chairs? Maybe that would be good for me since that would be something you find when a Boeing crashes. I understand that you believe the Boeing hit at 500MPH but I believe it would leave much more debris.

One other thing. What is with the small neat punched hole? I can't believe that it would be a Boeing and if so how can it go through so many Pentagon rings when it is concrete wall.

Interesting link. Nice find.

Then I am afraid there is very little I can offer you. After all, of all the debris found, chairs are the least traceable, in that there are several dozen models that can be attributed to any given planes, whereas the engineering components are far more limited in their variability, and are the most efficient way to identify an airplane. It's a little like breaking a vase and then trying to identify it by the liquid it contained; it just isn't something too terribly indicative of anything, particularly after experts go through the shards and identify them as the glass that such vases are made from.

I still don't understand what you mean by "much more debris". Do you consider what was present to be insufficient? How are you able to distinguish between plane debris and building debris? What, in the whole thing, makes you feel there is a lack of debris quantity?



Good question. Can I assume you are referring to the hole in ring C? First off, we need to clear up a few misconceptions. The first is that it didn't go through "so many" Pentagon rings. While the average claim is that it went through 3 rings, what is usually left out is that these rings were rings in name only; the only thing seperating the rings were walls. So it isn't like the airplane had to break through three ramparts; as far as it was concerned, it was only breaking through two walls before hitting the wall that marked ring C. Now, concrete is strong stuff, but again, strength is relative. The Pentagon was designed to withstand a bomb blast, not an airliner crashing full force into it. Nonetheless, it did so remarkably well. An airliner is a fairly hollow device, meaning that it is essentially mostly ait with some concentrated mass. When the plane hit the outer rings, the vast majority of the force was directed to the mostly hollow space. The outside of the plane, the chairs, all the (relatively) weak components of the plane were pretty much absorbed by the first series of rings. They simply didn't have the kinetic energy to go much farther. The more solid masses of the plane, however, the motors, the landing gear, all the high density steel components designed for toughness, all those still had plenty of inertia left, and they kept going when the rest of the plane didn't. It was this group of massive objects that penetrated further into the building to greater or lesser degrees. The reason why we have such a neat punched hole in ring C is because by the time it got there, the only things left that were still flying with destructive speed were the solid chunks of material. Just like a bullet, the (I believe it was) landing gear punched a clean hole, since it wasn't surrounded with the lighter debris of the fuselage or airframe that had already been stripped away by crashing into the outer rings.

There might be some agreement that in fact a plane had hit the Pentagon but not enough to identify it to be a 757. No 757 wing sections, no 757 tail sections, no 757 engines, no 757 fuselage -- nothing but scrap metal small enough to pick up with one hand.

...Have you looked at the link Jedi_Master provided?

There are plenty of pieces, quite large. Yes, parts of engines were present and photographed.

The links provided contain the answers to your questions. If you have issues with the answers provided in them please enumerate them. Also, what would be definitive proof for you that the evidence based conclusion as put forth by the government and the professionals in the field is correct?

MindFreak, please try to provide a plausible explanation for what happened at the Pentagon, if you don't believe Flight 77 crashed into it. Looks like you've resigned to believing a plane actually did hit it now, which is good. But why maintain it wasn't 77, when even the bodies were identified at the Pentagon crash site?

I guess I don't understand what you think actually happened. If flight 77 was destroyed along with its flight crew and passengers somewhere else, then another plane, with passengers in it, was flown into the Pentagon, and the government covered both crashes up by saying it was actually flight 77 that hit the Pentagon, what would be the point? Why not just fly flight 77 into the Pentagon?

I'll listen to the people that were there and actually saw the events occuring with their own eyes over someone who's entire claim is "Everyone else is lying to you."

If a plane didn't hit the Pentagon explain how the wreakage got there, this was not a small amount either, it was quite a pile and included passanger luggage as well as pieces of fuselage, seats, glass from windows, the data flight recorders for Flight 77 and engine parts.

How come all the passangers and the crew's remains (except for one small girl) were recovered from the Pentagon, or are you conspiracy believers going to claim all the rescue services were in on it too?

Mindfreak and the rest of you conspiracy believers, have a look at this.

Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pe...e_evidence.html

I wonder if those behind the 9/11 like Bin Laden could be behind these conspiracies as to cause confusion and sway public opinion in their favor?
Could it be that they know there are those who would actually buy into it?

Neo-fascist groups such as the American Free Press are definitely strong supporters of the CTs. How much they are a driving force vs just riding the coattails I don't really know.

In the case of the Holocaust, the affirmative evidence is overwhelming, particularly the living record, the dwindling numbers of survivors and witnesses who have assumed the responsibility to chronicle their stories, to relay them personally to generations born long after the events.

Likewise with the Sept. 11 attacks, it is incumbent to remember, and through memory to prevent similar events from happening again. The images of the WTC attacks speak for themselves. Where video is lacking, as in the case of Flight 77 it is up to the eyewitnesses to tell their stories.And guess what,they all saw a plane.

"-The sight of the 757 diving in at an unrecoverable angle is frozen in my memory..."

When such ideas like the 9-11 conspiracy BS theory are allowed to stand, they take root among the impressionable or those predisposed to think the worst.

I didn't see it happen....but there are two individuals very close to me that saw the second plane crash into the WTC LIVE on television as it was happening. I have even heard theories that the planes were only a holographic image. What would be the point of that? Those people who died on those planes BOARDED those planes from a location - Boarding Passes and all.....Passenger Lists at the Airports.....with a specific destination. They didn't just materialize out of nowhere with no one on them.

Two of my friends, who do not know each other, saw an airliner fly into the Pentagon. One was in an office building on the District of Columbia side of the river. And saw it flash past his corner office. And then he followed the plane as it flew into the building. The second was diving her car on the freeway that goes past the Pentagon. Along with several hundred other people whos cars were on the freeway.

If you watched the TV coverage from the Pentagon, which started within minutes of the crash, you would see the crash debris laying around the side of the building. Now if it was not an airliner, how could all the wreakage be moved into position without being noticed. How come there are no reports of trucks pulling up and dumping wreckage on the ground. Because the area is in full view of the freeway and surrounding buildings.

I've asked the wreckage question many times, and have never heard an answer. Usually the argument from the CT camp is that there wasn't enough wreckage to account for a 757.....so it must've been a missile? They admit there was at least some wreckage, but a missile still hit the building.

After getting no replies to the same question you asked, I decided to try to piece it together myself in a timeline:



This is the way it must've happened (or something similar), for there to be both wreckage from a 757 and a missile present at the Pentagon.

Ironically, when presented with this timeline, CTists dismiss it as being "silly"....

Have you guys seen these?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIjm8kWfAK8

bah there were 2 of them but now I'm getting "Searching for videos is temporarily unavailable" from youtube... ahh well there were 2 of em, dunno if they were the same. searched for: airplane concrete

shows a plane "atomizing" on impact

Those of you who want "proof" and are determined to find it in an image of the jet inside the pentagon-- see the jet-- inside the pentagon-- but say "it doesn't look like the jet they said," bla bla bla.... what do you expect? and besides what would a jet being doing inside the pentagon in the first place burnt...or heck, not burnt? ? A magical missile that transformed into jet as it burned-- WOW! New works from CIA?
Same goes for WTC, why would ANY piece of jet ever be found in the rebel of it? what reason for it being there? I thought, according to conspiracy, the govt used missiles. geez.

Very good Hazzard, but I'm starting to wonder after doing some research on the net if the blatant/ obvious images are even out there for public viewing!!! I haven't found anything that touches what we studied/ reviewed in Terrorism courses....
but then again, some folks would have everything they wanted to see as "proof" and it still wouldn't be good enough...

I dont know if anyone has addressed this yet ... but an airplane is more or less a thin metal tube, I was at fairchaild when wolff dumped a B-52 into an area the size of a football field...


sometimes there is surprizingly little left of a "BIG" airplane just a pile of aluminum scrap ...

oh and BTW that limey green - yellow color is almost exclusive to airplanes...

all of thier internal components are painted with that stuff...