My idea was used t get the pic's of the giant squid.

You get a dead cow or big dead pig and put a huck on it. About 10 feet above it you put a camera to take pic.'s of it. You go out in a boat and fish for it.

Thats the plan. What do you all think.

Oh and if any one here does these I would like to help.

Sounds interesting;however, as with any deep sea expedition it will take a lot of money.

Sounds kinda risky, but a good plan none the less

so its a good plan?

Not to mention. The people who use the water everyday. Or fishing, boating, etc. But I don't know much about the water that Champ lives in. Though it is a pretty good idea & Champ might not actually appear.

I wouldn’t have thought a lake monster would be anatomically equipped to eat a large mammal. Probably wouldn’t see a cow or a large pig as food and would just swim on by.

fish would be a better bait than a pig or cow carcass... since Champ was most likely a Gar.

FYI, Champlain never described a lake monster, he described a fish...

Champlain's actual description is in volume 2, chapter IX, of his journal (quoted in Meurger 1988):

Even less likely to eat a cow, then. Unless it’s a crap load of piranhas masquerading as one big fish.
(I used to think birds flew in a big ‘v’ to give predators the impression of one giant bird…)

So "Champ" is actually a fish that "became" a lake monster....can't imagine how that could have occured.

I'd imagen a "lake monster" would be mighty strong, hookin' that thing probably wouldn't be the smartest thing

I say it's a good plan just because I want to see a cow carcass thrown into a lake.

Rent the movie Lake Placid.

Like I said the plan was used to get pic. of the gaunt squad. If it work for a gaunt squad I think it will work for a big lake monster.

Many, many anglers fish lake Champlain already

I'm not so sure that it would be THAT easy....but you have the right idea...I've always maintained that: If you want to find/locate a reclusive or rare animal species...don't look for the animal...look for it's food supply and track it...sooner or later(if it truly exists) you will end up face to face with what you seek.........theoretically.

Then what's the point of the hook?

What do people not get about the lake already being fished by angler?

I seem to recall that long before Champlain visited the region, the natives feared a monstrous serpent that dwelled in the lake. Other French explorers recorded indian drawings of a very dragon-like creature in the region which the indians were absolutely terrified of and wouldn't go into the area.

Champlain obviously thought it was a fish because he didn't see any dragons or sea serpents. That makes sense to me, but it does not mean it was first a fish and later a lake monster.

It is my understanding that trained marine biologists in search of Champ have recorded echo-location sounding of an unknown animal........ and Garfish do not do that.

According to the Indian legends, Champ ate people, but that probably lasted until the first time "it" tried to eat somebody armed with a gun. Now the creature(s) seems to avoid humans.

What if he's a vegetarian, and doesn't want any of those old cows?

The native americans were experts on the wildlife of their environment. If they say Champ ate people I would tend to believe they knew what they were talking about. But as I said previously, nowadays they are probably more wary of people if they have ever been shot at.l

Well if you got shot, dont you think you and your kids would hid?

What do you all think about that video that was on this site.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1648662

So beacuse there have been echo-location soundings of an unknown animal in the lake....and drawings of a dragon-like creature....and scared indians......that equals "Lake Monster"?.......with all due respect, that just means that there should be no jumping to conclusions(mostly beacuse there are none), but that just isn't what the human animal does...now does it?

does anyone have a link to the Abenaki or Iroquois legends of the lake animal?. It was called Tatoskok by the Abenaki... TIA

BTW, I did do a search, but most results were for lake monster sites, basically ALL the sites say the "Iroquois and the Abenaki, talked of such a creature.... and the Abenaki gave it the name "Tatoskok.", but give no details.. even Wikipedia

A giant squid tried to eat a cow? Man, I wanna see that. Where are these pics?

I was thinking about that... The state of Vermont has put Champ on its Endangered Species List, so it would be protected by law... does the lake post warnings for boaters and swimmers that a possibly man-eating beastie is around? just wondering

so they got a picture of a group of super models?... sorry couldn't resist

I'll never get why SG7 can't just use spell check

Well in all fairness gaunt and squad are words so they wouldn't have come up as misspellings.

But I agree. Why can't everyone just use it?

I for one hope that he dosen't....how often do you see the words guant and squad in the same sentence..honestly? It gives hope to anorexic-gangs all over the world.

He did mention he had a learning disability or something along those lines.

No..no, I used the cow and pig as a exp.

I DO, SOME OF MY SPELLING IS SO BAD IT DON"T WORK!

THANK YOU! I do have a learning disability, its hard for me to sound out words. latters like R-W sound alike to me, don't get me started on C, So win I sound out a word it is so badly spelled "most of the time" that spell check does not work. And win it does its offten not the word I wonted.

Do you have a hearing problem or something different....I'm confused.
"sounding out a word" does not equal spelling all of them wrong.
I can help you depending on what exactly is the problem.

No I not hard of hearing, in fuct I can hear thing that only cat and dog can hear. I'm lounge learning disabled. Enstine had the same thing. He could not ty his shows and could not does simple math. I am good at mostly art, but my math and spelling, as you know SUCK! For exp. right and wight sound alike to me. I would get the two mix up all the time because R would sound like W, and W would sound like R.

Lake Monsters do not exist!!!!!....

They are all regarded as some sort of "surfacing" mammal..And one can not live this long , so there would have to be a "breeding" group...Whales surface every 3-10 minutes , so if there were "monsters" there would be more than one , and they would be well known , like salmon,tuna,etc......

I have a killer true story about a "alligator caught in truckee river"...There was a 500 dollar reward offered after the sighting.This is in Reno,Nevada...Alligators can not live in this river...But , to everyones amazement 2 guys caught this gator and recieved the reward....This is a true story , and shows how someone can start a urban legend and profit from it...

If anyone interested in details of why and whom got reward let me know.This was same time as first Iraq war , and it made froint page news above the war....SUCKERS !!!

I find it funny how people believe things just by word of mouth.

Give me a break.....Just common sence here...

Didn't you say this method worked on a giant squid, though?

The more you read, the more you find that "sense" ain't so "common".

Man I'm sorry, I had no idea. I was just being an ass
*feels like crap for the rest of the day*

Yes but they used fish.

Its ok, you did not know.

*pats 420 on the head*

It's o.k. I'm an ass pretty-much ALL the time.....it's an acquired taste.

I love you guys............ I mean......thanks LOL

Sorry Rob,
Dspite what you may think, "real" scientists are so convinced Lake Monsters are real, that they have had laws passed in several countries to protect them.

As for your surfacing theory, it is quite meaningless. There's a big gator only 15 feet from where I am typing this, and if he doesn't want to be seen he can put the tiniest tip of his snout above the waterline to breath. In a big lake you would never see an elusive water creature until he wanted to be seen. There is no reason why a cold water lake monster wouldn't have a similar trait.

I have swam in the Truckee River. An alligator could live there in the summer, but wouldn't last through the winter. I never heard that story, but then I was in Iraq at the time.

How big is the gator?

Hay you tell him.
Besides as far as we know champ is like a forg and can get air out of the water. I can't think of the word for it. Oh, and allidator and crocs can live in the winter. There heart slows down and they stop movie to save air, they go to the bottum of the lake or river were its warmer, as long as there body tepm stays 30F or above there live.
And you can see its not a croc or alligator in the video I posted.

Cool to see someone actualy swam in the Trucke river ...Spent many of my years tubing down it.....

Thank you for serving our freedom also !!!!

And for the alligator in the Truckee...Never happenned..Someone said they saw one and the news and believers went nuts over it.A week later ,a wealthy realator put up a 500 dollar reward...

Fate had it one of my friends brothers had a 5 foot Kamin ( spelling?) he no longer wanted.We "caught" the Gator and had all the news channels , and papers there...

No , we did not accept the reward , it went to a charity in Florida where the payee went to college for some everglades thing.We did say we caught it near Wadsworth....Stupid things we do at our late teens


As for many scientists (show me more than one who say these things exist in lakes) , and putting these things on endangered species list , that is a joke , and mainly ment for tourism.

Don't worry about it. While some of your words are spelled incorrectly you're perfectly understandable, phonetically correct aswell.



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