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sonofkrypton
The Romans, the mightiest conquerers known to ancient history, were themselves once the vassals of a people called the Etruscans, whom the roman historians described as thoroughly wicked and tyrannical. (the story of the rape of lucretia by the Etruscan king Tarquinius raised indignation in generations of roman nobles)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucretia <----- story of lucretia
When the romans overthrew their conquerers, they supressed them with such thoroughness that they destroyed most of the clues to the history of that enigmatic race. where did this prosperous, creative, luxury-loving people come from when they colonised central italy about a thousand BC? their influence on the romans - and thus of all subsequent western culture - was great, but their writings remain untranslated, so we have only fragmentary clues to the mystery of the Etruscans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscans <------ Wikipedia
http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/ <------ google

user posted imageuser posted image[img]
http://www.language-museum.com/e/etruscan-1.gif[/img]

main source LOST WORLDS by DAMON WILSON



RollingThunder06
A mystery in reverse. Normally we are left wondering what happened to a civilization.
sonofkrypton
QUOTE(RollingThunder06 @ Oct 6 2006, 04:07 AM) [snapback]1379436[/snapback]

A mystery in reverse. Normally we are left wondering what happened to a civilization.


that's exactly what i thought i know most ancient texts are religeous in nature but i wonder what the un-deciphered languages are waiting to tell us like

the merotic script (black pharoah's)

the linear A (the Aegean)

the proto-elamite (iran)

the Rongorongo (rapanui)

the zapotec and isthmian scripts (mexico)

the indus script (pakistan/india)

and the phaistos disc are some writing waiting for another Champollion, after all Michael Ventris, perhaps the cleverest of all archaeological decipherers, was an amateur (albeit of a unique kind), who never attended a university.
cubsfan7
thats really cool but u shouldnt take wikipedia as a backup source cuz ppl edit it all the time and could put wrong stuff in it...i thinks its wierd that the romans would be the vassals of them
ACfishing2
I beleive the linear A script has been translated.
sonofkrypton
QUOTE(cubsfan7 @ Oct 7 2006, 10:40 PM) [snapback]1381496[/snapback]

thats really cool but u shouldnt take wikipedia as a backup source cuz ppl edit it all the time and could put wrong stuff in it...i thinks its wierd that the romans would be the vassals of them


thanks for the heads up cubsfan i was under the impression that any editing was monitored but i'll be careful in future
SnakeProphet
Actually the writing has been deciphered ages ago. And the language is largely understood either.

Romans surpressing their history? What the hell?
sonofkrypton
QUOTE(ACfishing2 @ Oct 8 2006, 02:30 AM) [snapback]1381670[/snapback]

I beleive the linear A script has been translated.



QUOTE(Snake_6024 @ Oct 9 2006, 12:28 AM) [snapback]1382452[/snapback]

Actually the writing has been deciphered ages ago. And the language is largely understood either.

Romans surpressing their history? What the hell?


i believe Linear B has been deciphered but have not read or heard anything about Linear A being deciphered i'll have to check thnx though
Bio-Mage
Linear A has not been deciphered as such. Only Linear B is fully translated.
ACfishing2
Sorry. I was confused with the two scripts.
SnakeProphet
How does Linear A come into play here? It's a cretian form of writing, and is in no way connected to the etruscans, officialy that is. The etruscan alphabet is derived from an early east-graecian alphabet, and is completely deciphered. If you're looking for a connection though, try the vinca writing, it's somewhat more likely than Linear A.
sonofkrypton
QUOTE(Snake_6024 @ Oct 9 2006, 11:35 PM) [snapback]1383744[/snapback]

How does Linear A come into play here? It's a cretian form of writing, and is in no way connected to the etruscans, officialy that is. The etruscan alphabet is derived from an early east-graecian alphabet, and is completely deciphered. If you're looking for a connection though, try the vinca writing, it's somewhat more likely than Linear A.


i wasn't saying they were connected i was merely pointing out other forms of writing that were undeciphered thumbsup.gif
SnakeProphet
But the etruscan alphabet was never a mystery to begin with. Our own freaking alphabet is based on it, so there's nothing to decipher really.

You were thinking of the language perhaps?
Senada
QUOTE(cubsfan7 @ Oct 7 2006, 04:40 PM) [snapback]1381496[/snapback]

thats really cool but u shouldnt take wikipedia as a backup source cuz ppl edit it all the time and could put wrong stuff in it...i thinks its wierd that the romans would be the vassals of them


ok that was just stupid..wikipedia is one of the most comprehensive information seeking websites on the planet. the fact that so many people are able to edit the posts mean that people read them and if they find something that is untrue, they fix it. they are constantly being updated and constantly being corrected, its like having mods working 24/7. ESPECIALLY with the older and longer posts that have been around long enough to have all of the b.s. filtered out. some of the newer posts might not be able to be trusted, but the older and lengthier ones contain the knowledge of millions across the world. do NOT judge wikipedia lightly, as you cant find more true info anywhere else on the net mellow.gif
Senada
Btw, im sorry for not acutally commenting on the original post, or the Etruscans. They were an extremely interesting culture, that can be said for sure. Very old, apparentally very smart as well. There are actual Etruscan cities left standing in present day Rome, because Rome was settles on Etruscan territory. The romans reffered to them, as did the Egyptians, and there are also accounts of the Etruscans showing up in the Mediterranean, which is quite incredible if you think of the distances involved.

We may never know the secrets of the Etruscans, but we can say for sure that they were definately a very interesting people.
Dave67
QUOTE(sonofkrypton @ Oct 5 2006, 05:22 AM) [snapback]1378222[/snapback]

The Romans, the mightiest conquerers known to ancient history, were themselves once the vassals of a people called the Etruscans, whom the roman historians described as thoroughly wicked and tyrannical. (the story of the rape of lucretia by the Etruscan king Tarquinius raised indignation in generations of roman nobles)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucretia <----- story of lucretia
When the romans overthrew their conquerers, they supressed them with such thoroughness that they destroyed most of the clues to the history of that enigmatic race. where did this prosperous, creative, luxury-loving people come from when they colonised central italy about a thousand BC? their influence on the romans - and thus of all subsequent western culture - was great, but their writings remain untranslated, so we have only fragmentary clues to the mystery of the Etruscans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscans <------ Wikipedia
http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/ <------ google

user posted imageuser posted image[img]
http://www.language-museum.com/e/etruscan-1.gif[/img]

main source LOST WORLDS by DAMON WILSON

Who knows,the Etruscans might be the remnants of the population of Troy after it was destroyed. I think that theory is pretty interesting.
sonofkrypton
w00t.gif w00t.gif yes.gif that was one of the avenues of thought i've been going down

it's an intresting thought but only time and research will tell
Never_Hit_Nirvana
Ironically enough, saw a program on this very subject on History International last night. The consensus of the experts was that the Etruscans were native to the Italian peninsula and I tend to agree.
Why does every civilization have to derive from another? Can societies not reach greatness on their own, and in their own way? The way some like to stretch legend and history to fit a "new theory" is just laughable (see the thread on the Trojans in Britain), especially considering most of the theories are not new, just regurgitation of ancient legend (Exhibit A: 'The Aeneid'.)
"@#$& Happens" make a great bumper sticker, but "Civilization Happens" is a good guideline for studying history. Humanity will always develop their own customs and methods, their own advances. If there are traces of the Greeks in Etruscan culture, that is more easily explained with one word: trade. The Phonecians spread cultures all over the Mediterranean, just generally confusing things. Thus, traces of all Mediterranean cultures are found amongst the others. Those traces are the evidence of trade, not evidence of origin.

Note: to whomever said it: Wikipedia is a sound source for the reasons stated. To dismiss something because "anyone can edit it" is like denouncing a textbook because it has been revised. The textbook has editors and Wikipedia has mods. For the most part it is a solid source.
Henge_Witch
I posted on this spring this year,

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...c=68359&hl=

enjoy.
sonofkrypton
QUOTE(Henge_Witch @ May 2 2006, 11:15 AM) [snapback]1171305[/snapback]

Just a little something i've been reading up on, stemming from my fascination with geomancy and the geodetic utilisation of the ancients across the globe, the startling similarity between the ancient Etruscans of Italy (Etrutia) and druidic practices..

This is part of my initial thesis on the subject..

The ancient Estruscans originating in Italy revealing propecies as late as 90 BC with the vision of the nymph Vergoia (latinised form of the name) Divinity = an archetypal entity Etruscan "gods and goddesses" symbolising the divine power of the cosmos and given presidence over everything from metallurgy to hydraulics to standing stones (boundary markers ??) to mapping of the stars to dowsing. This "nymph", "divininity" apparently spoke to Arruns Velturnnus as written by the etruscan harupsex Tarquitius (90 bce), stating the god Jupiter God of gods (Etruscan Titias, Jupiter being the roman equiv) reclaimed the etruscan land for himself ordering it be marked with stones as "boundaries" which would inhibit the greed of man and benefit the etruscan land, should these stones be moved there would follow suffering illness and lack of prosperity, crops would suffer and weather would become unrelentful and destructive..This is most definately linked to the Strega (hereditary italian witches) the janarra (lunar) tanarra (star) fanarra (leylines) and the arradia..
Seemingly with the advent of christianity which bears remarkable similarity to the etruscan religion barring the definate classically pagan ways of the etruscan people, much of the etruscan doctrines were removed, hidden or destroyed, many temples and burial chambers, sacred sites where built upon by the christians for churches and cathedrals. This is very interesting as the Etruscans relied on divine guidance in building of their sacred sites, cities, sowing of crops and finding water etc.
It is also extremely interesting how the etruscan religion was a revealed religion as is christianity and judaism, with the appearance of a young boy with the wisdom of an old man manifesting near a river in a field in Marta in Etruria, a startled cry of a ploughman brought the lucomones (Priest Kings of Etruria) hurring to the spot where the boy gave them the sacred doctrine, which should be passed down to their successors. Immediately after chanting these sacred revelations the boy fell down dead and dissapeared into the earth (Yodaresque) His name was Tages, said to be the son of Genius (??**) and grandson of the highest god Tinias (later known as Jupiter to the romans)
This doctrine required so much study that the priests would attend teaching institutes where they not only studied theology but all manner of principles including astronomy, zoology, botany hydraulics, geology and most fascinatingly water divining where they were taught to discover subtarreanean streams and wells. Theological (spiritual) and secular (practical) knowledge was not seperated to the Etruscans, which leads me to believe there has to be a druidic connection i shall later look into. The importance of the stars and their position and the layout of the land was of vital importance to the etruscans and they maintained a strict principle on land boundary.

It is apparent of the uncanny resemblance of the later christian religion in the fact that the Etruscans divided heaven and earth in a cross like manner, they also saw a great connection between the two as the cross division occurred over their own lands. They focussed this division of "celestial and terrestrial" space and seemed to give holy presidance to the most fertile regions of the land, the more barren region in the weat (especially the boundarie between north and west) was considered to be were the dark gods lived, those of fate and underworld, again an indication of the simple pagan symbolism of their religion, a merger of the outerworld and inner, relating to the divine powers and connection between both the earth and the greater cosmos and their effects on their lives, wealth and health.

As mentioned earlier, the Etruscan priests planned the laying of new city foundations under "divine guidance" as ordained by their learnings geological cosmic and otherwise. During the ritual included in the laying of a new city the priest would face north, south east and west proclaiming "this is my back, this is my front, this is my left, this is my right" The cross like pattern being reminiscent of the watchtowers acknowledged in modern witchcraft, and shaping again the form of a cross, albeit more celtic-like in shape, it is obviously a factor of influence towards the modern christian iconic symbol. The etruscan priests also wore a mitre like hat (cone shaped) now the bishops headwear, and held a lituus (bishops crook) and solemnly marked out the cross on the floor.

Excuse my little markers in the text thats my references to go back and look further, anyhow, remarkable stuff don't you think? When you study ancient religions indepth you see this overlapping effect and a similarity between them that can't be missed...
We all acknowledge the same possibilities, we just label them differently, and we always have. Ritual is power in the human psyche, but the basis is the same, over and over..


absolutely fantastic thnx
SnakeProphet
Ironically enough, saw a program on this very subject on History International last night. The consensus of the experts was that the Etruscans were native to the Italian peninsula and I tend to agree.
Why does every civilization have to derive from another? Can societies not reach greatness on their own, and in their own way? The way some like to stretch legend and history to fit a "new theory" is just laughable (see the thread on the Trojans in Britain), especially considering most of the theories are not new, just regurgitation of ancient legend (Exhibit A: 'The Aeneid'.)
"@#$& Happens" make a great bumper sticker, but "Civilization Happens" is a good guideline for studying history. Humanity will always develop their own customs and methods, their own advances. If there are traces of the Greeks in Etruscan culture, that is more easily explained with one word: trade. The Phonecians spread cultures all over the Mediterranean, just generally confusing things. Thus, traces of all Mediterranean cultures are found amongst the others. Those traces are the evidence of trade, not evidence of origin.


It's WAY more complicated than that. The non-autochthone theories don't even mention the greek elements of their culture, since it's pretty evident they came from trade. It's mostly about the oriental elements, and the confirmed connection to Lemnos.


Note: to whomever said it: Wikipedia is a sound source for the reasons stated. To dismiss something because "anyone can edit it" is like denouncing a textbook because it has been revised. The textbook has editors and Wikipedia has mods. For the most part it is a solid source.

It is an invalid scource simply because it can be changed by anyone without leaving the original accessible(unlike the textbook). Internet sites in general are considered fishy, but no academic institution would accept wikipedia as a valid scource.
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