http://www.burlingtonnews.net/dann.html
"In, The World's first DNA PCR investigation of Biological Evidence from an Alien Abduction, by Bill Chalker, Anomaly Physical Evidence Group (APEG)
we find that a Sydney, Australia abduction experience from 1992, with biological evidence, became the subject of the world's first DNA PCR "alien abduction" related investigation, yielding intriguing results that have suggested fascinating new lines of investigation and speculation.. (For the complete story on this please go to
http://www.cufos.org/strange_evidence.pdf)

The original DNA work was done on the shaft of the hair recovered from an ET by the abductee. Anomalies were found in the root of the hair. Two types of DNA were found depending on where the mitochondrial DNA testing occurs, namely confirming a RARE CHINESE TYPE DNA in the hair shaft and indicating a rare possible BASQUE/GAELIC type DNA in the root section.

The hair sample seems to show it contains 2 deleted genes for CCR5 protein and no intact gene for normal undeleted CCR5 - this CCR5 deletion factor has been implicated in aids resistance.

The nature of these genetic findings has lead to some interesting possible connections with ancient cultures, myths and archaeological finds such as the strange Taklamakan mummies in China (tall European like peoples with red hair.... some of whom had blonde hair)"




"Yuya, Egyptian nobleman from 1400 BC, father of Tiy, the wife of Pharaoh Amenhotep III. Yuya's blond hair and Nordic facial structure have been well preserved by the embalming process; Alongside, his equally blond haired wife, Thuya, great grandmother of Tutankhamen"

http://ufobits.blogspot.com/2005/12/basque...ronicities.html



http://www.atlantisquest.com/Linguistics.html

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Give words from Nahuatl dictionary.

Matlock, in his defence of the Yucatan Straits as the site of Atlantis, cites place names as one of his compelling proofs. He points to:

Atlán, Autlán, Mazatlán, Cihuatlán, Cacatlán, Tecaltitlán, Tihuatlán, Atitlán, Zapotlán, Minititlán, Ocotlán, Miahuatlán, Tecaltitlán, Tepatitlán, Tihuatlán, Texiutlán, and the like.
Notice that the Nahuatl Tlán root of these place names is exactly like the Tlan in "Atlantis."
Atlas - or his substitute - is also encountered in diverse places performing his function of holding up the world. Quetzalcoatl is shown in paintings and in an engraving holding up the world.

The Basque people living in the Pyrenees between Spain and France are a unique people. The Romans called them Vascones. The name "Basque" was used by the French and English. The Basque people themselves say they came from Atlaintika, a powerful maritime nation that sank into the Atlantic Ocean ofter a terrible cataclysm and from which a few survivors reached the Bay of Biscay and the Pyrenees mountains.

From Edgar Cauce's Atlantis and Lemuria page 32-34:

The Basque call their language, Euskara. It is an absolutely unique tonque, unrelated to any Indo-European speech. Strangely, Euskara shares some affinity with Finno-Urgic Patumnili (spoken in ancient Troy), Etruscan (belonging to the pro-Roman civilizers of western Italy, traditionally descended from the Trojans), Guanche (spoken by the highly Atlantean inhabitants of the Canary Islands) and Nahuatl, the language of the Aztecs. These long-dead languages are themseles only very imperfectly understood today. But the fact that Basque Euskara contains legitimate cognates wiht the languages of four identifiably Atlantean poeples is not without significance.
Perhaps the cognate most revealing in our investigation of Atlantis is "Atalya." It is the name of an ancient ceremonial mound in Biarritz, Basque country.

"Atalya" is also a sacred mountain in the Valley of Mexico venerated by the Aztecs.

"Atalaia" is a site in southern Portugal featuring Bronze Age tumuli, or domed tombs, dating to the late period of Atlantean florescence in the thirteenth centery BC.

"Atalya" is in Gran Canaria, where pyramids built by the Guanches in black, white, and red volcanic stone- the same construction materials described for Atlantis by Plato- may still by seen. There is an additional link between the Basque and the ancient Canary Islanders. The Guanches embraced a singular goat cult with rituals likewise observed in tradition Basque withcraft.

The name "Italy" derives from "Atalia," when, according to Etruscan tradition surviving in Virgil's Aeneid, Atlas ruled there in prehistory. "Italy" means, literally, "the Domain of Atlas," whose daugher was Atlantis.

Indeed, this seems to be the meaning of "Atalia" whenerver and wherever it was used, even by such widely diverse and otherwise unrelated peoples as the Basque, Guanches, Aztecs, and Etruscans. The implication is obvious; namely, that all of them were impacted earlier in their histories by culture bearers from Atlantis. Is is clear tha "Atalia" carries the same connotation in Euskara, Nahuatl, Iberian, and Guanche - the description of a sacred mound, mound-like structure, or mountain. Moreover, "Atalia" would appear derivative of Atlantis itself, where the holy mountain of Atlas was at the center of the empire's mystery religion.

The "Atalia" of the Basque, Aztecs, Iberians and Guanches was probasbly meant to commemorate, in word and image, the original sacred peak, Mount Atlas. No other concievable connection could have linked such dissimilar and widely separated peoples as the Basque, Aztecs, and Guanches, save through the intermediary culture of Atlantis, which stretched so far as to touch them all. To be sure these peoples fell within the Atleantean sphere of influence.

Incredible as it may seem, Euskara's resemblance to Nahuatl and certain North American Indian languages, particularly Algonquin-Lenape, is unmistakable. ...

http://www.atlantissource.com/recent/recent.htm

Much has been written about a lost civilization that existed thousands of years ago on a landmass in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Yet are we any closer to knowing if there really was an island continent located in the North Atlantic that gave birth to one of the world’s greatest civilizations? Most scientists scoff at the very idea. But science is an on-going, ever-changing, dynamic study of the world around us. New facts emerge, theories are adjusted and we inch slowly toward the ultimate truth.

True science adjusts its theories when new facts emerge and avoids falling into the trappings of dogma. While psychics like Edgar Cayce have given us much information about Atlantis, this material would not be deemed scientific unless it could be verified. People want proof. So let us take a look at what the Cayce readings actually say about Atlantis and if they can be verified scientifically.

Cayce gave an important reading about Atlantis on February 16, 1932. This reading states in part:

http://www.huttoncommentaries.com/subs/Oth...of_atlantis.htm

http://www.spiritmythos.org/holy/mazur-gua...zur-guanche.htm



http://www.atlantisinsights.net/faqs.htm

http://users.on.net/~mkfenn/page5.htm



From the genetic evidence, it appears that trans Atlantic crossings have been going on for a long time - the reddish/brown haired, green eyed Auracanians of coastal Chile and Peru not only have some 4-6,000 year old Indonesian genes in them (James L Guthrie), but they also have 12-18,000 year old Caucasian genes forming the basal layer of their complex genetic history. Aztec history confirms that Native Americans in ancient times were Caucasian. This period in history was called; "The Age of the Blonde Haired Bearded Giants". It was these people who made up the majority of Eurasian and American populations at the time when the kingdom of Atlantis existed - the mother of many European and American cultures. This period of human history ended with a terrible natural catastrophe. Historical records indicate that an earthquake destroyed an island in the Mid Atlantic(Atlantis) and an associated tsunami swept through the Caribbean (Anasazi legend) and down the Mediterranean(destroying the Greek army)11,500 years ago and ended this "Golden Age".

After the Golden Age - according to Aztec/Toltec history, 7,590BC was the beginning of “Age of the Red Haired People." They enslaved the remnant populations of the blonde haired giants, using them to build their megalithic monuments. Cro Magnon man according to the Mayan 'Popul Voh' was very trusting and gullible. He was not familiar with the lies and trickery of this new breed of humans and was easily manipulated. The Mayan 'Popul Voh' is packed full terrible deeds done to these peacable giants.

In Europe, the children's story of Jack and the bean stalk quite likely goes back to this time after Atlantis where the surviving giants of the 'Golden Age' possessed the knowledge of gold production, but the new breed of humans (the Red Heads) represented by Jack and his mother did not want giants around anymore, nor did they merely just want the giants stash of golden eggs, they wanted the technology of gold production, represented by the goose that laid the golden eggs, Jack succeeded in obtaining the 'technology of Gold production and then killed the giant. It is also interesting to note that giants in many fairy stories are depicted as being naive or easily tricked.

According to Aztec/Toltec legend, 5,500 years ago, began "The age of the Black Haired People". Geneticists have identified that the East Asian migration into America began ~6,000 years ago. 500 years before American legends say it happened. This is an acceptable time period for the founder populations to gather momentum. It is interesting to note that Sumerian legends also state that the Age of the Black haired people in the Mediterranean began about 5,500 years ago. Obviously there was a catastrophe on a global scale and random chance favoured the Black Haired people.This is most likely the beginning of Austronesians crossing the Pacific via the Kuroshio current.

Further proof that Native Americans prior to this time were essentially Caucasian is the 7-9000 year old red haired mummies that have been found in Nevada. Kennwick man, a Native American was also Caucasian, but not form Europe.

The common origin of both European and American culture from the ancient civilization of Atlantis makes total sense when we start looking at the cultural similarities. Many books have been written about the similarities between Mayan and Egyptian science, especially in the realms of Astronomy, calender and mathematics. Mayans even share the same war god as many European tribes; Votan in Mayan legends and Woden in Viking legends, (Votan and Woden is deemed to be linguistically the same).

One may ask; why is there not a greater degree of caucasian racial types evident in America today?

This can easily be explained through the interaction between dominant and recessive genes.

Once Asians began interbreeding with the Native Americans, the recessive genes of red hair and blue eyes quickly dissappeared. Despite this, there is still some evidence of this earlier racial type in some Native Americans.The Araucano appear to be one of the most significant remnant populations (300,000 in Chile) of this previous age of Red Heads in America . Elsewhere, native Americans have a lesser degree of this Caucasian heritage, although many Native North Americans are tall with long narrow skulls and wiry features - characteristic features of these early Caucasians. Most native Americans are blood group O (European) and not B(Asian). The Araucano are also 20% Rhesus negative, putting them up there with the Irish and the Basques as being the most closely related to the original Europeans. (Cro Magnon man was blood group O- and Rhesus negative). Not only is Rhesus negative a recessive gene, but blonde hair, red hair and blue eyes are all recessive genes and any interbreeding with dominant brown eyed/black haired individuals of blood group B, will lead to the dissappearance of these visual characteristics. Not only this, but due to isolation of these original Caucasians, they became vulnerable to disease brought in from outside America. This process was observed in the Pacific by the early explorers. First accounts of Tahiti indicated that over ten percent of the Population was Caucasian, but when another ship arrived 8 months later, most of these Native Caucasians had already succumbed to disease brought by the earlier European ship. Despite this, Polynesians placed these people in high esteem and they were often found in positions of power within Polynesian society. The practice of the bride withdrawing to a darkened hut or cave for weeks before her wedding day was to show she had some of this ancient royal blood and exemplifies the position these white people held in society. Ancient Caucasian genes have been lost in the Pacific and America, not through war or genocide, but through natural processes where the genetically stronger individuals become the dominant population.

Thor Heyerdahls research uncovered a burial chamber that contained what is now known as 'The Paracas Mummies'. To his surprise, they had red and blonde wavy hair, with long skulls. These people conducted extensive ocean voyages off South and Central America on Balsa Rafts between 300 BC and 400 AD. Their culture was undoubtedly South American in every way, but they were also a type of Caucasian. The Araucano would have been related to this group.There is also a high probability that the red haired long ears of Easter Island, represented by the Moai statues, are also from a similar gene pool as the Araucanians who according to James L. Guthrie, possess both Caucasian and Indonesian genes. The practice of elongating ears was common practice by mariners in the Maldives and Borneo and could have been a custom brought to America and the Pacific by people sporting Indonesian genes. More research on this early Austronesian long ear phenomenon is sure to uncover some interesting facts.

http://www.flavinscorner.com/5-7-99.htm


" Analyzing British custom records from between 1380 to 1433, Robert Delort (University of Geneva, Switzerland) discovered that the Basques had been showing up at various British seaports and selling significant quantities of beaver pelts. The extant descriptions of the sales indicate the pelts were sold in rolls similar to the way the Quebec Native Americans of Canada stored and traded them. Of particular relevance to the claim that the Basques beat Columbus to the New World by over a hundred years is the simple fact that beavers were nearly extinct in northern Europe at this time.

This claim for pre-Columbian contact between the Basques and the Quebec Native Americans is often overlooked by anthropologists and other professionals. The linguist Peter Bakker (University of Aarhus, Denmark) has published extensively on unique "pidgin" languages which developed between the Old and New Worlds. His work on the Eeyouch (Cree) and French pidgin of the 16th and 17th centuries is fascinating, but his efforts to detail the development of a similar pidgin between the Basques and various Native American languages (including Mi'kmaq, or Micmac, an eastern Algonquin dialect) are much more ...strained. Bakker is limited to Giovanni Caboto's mention of a "new found lande" in 1497, an early Basque whaling presence sometime after 1517, and argues the development of the trading "pidgin" formed in an almost unbelievably short time, as he places the pidgin in use between 1540 and 1640. Indeed, ...some simply do not believe it and point to the British customs records as uncovered by Delort to allow for a Basque presence in Canada years before the post-Columbian exploitation of the

The Basques remain the stuff of legend. The preservation of their language, culture, and land has been a determined (and often bloody) affair and we must regard them with respect and awe. As we come to better understand Neolithic migrations and megalithic technology (see the work of U. of Iowa's Prof. R. Frank) we may discover other wonderful accomplishments of the Basques. Facts are always preferable to shaky speculation and I'm sure the steadfast Basques would agree."

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http://www.atlantissource.com/traditions/atlas.htm

"Give words from Nahuatl dictionary.

Matlock, in his defence of the Yucatan Straits as the site of Atlantis, cites place names as one of his compelling proofs. He points to:

Atlán, Autlán, Mazatlán, Cihuatlán, Cacatlán, Tecaltitlán, Tihuatlán, Atitlán, Zapotlán, Minititlán, Ocotlán, Miahuatlán, Tecaltitlán, Tepatitlán, Tihuatlán, Texiutlán, and the like.
Notice that the Nahuatl Tlán root of these place names is exactly like the Tlan in "Atlantis."
Atlas - or his substitute - is also encountered in diverse places performing his function of holding up the world. Quetzalcoatl is shown in paintings and in an engraving holding up the world.

The Basque people living in the Pyrenees between Spain and France are a unique people. The Romans called them Vascones. The name "Basque" was used by the French and English. The Basque people themselves say they came from Atlaintika, a powerful maritime nation that sank into the Atlantic Ocean ofter a terrible cataclysm and from which a few survivors reached the Bay of Biscay and the Pyrenees mountains.

From Edgar Cauce's Atlantis and Lemuria page 32-34:

The Basque call their language, Euskara. It is an absolutely unique tonque, unrelated to any Indo-European speech. Strangely, Euskara shares some affinity with Finno-Urgic Patumnili (spoken in ancient Troy), Etruscan (belonging to the pro-Roman civilizers of western Italy, traditionally descended from the Trojans), Guanche (spoken by the highly Atlantean inhabitants of the Canary Islands) and Nahuatl, the language of the Aztecs. These long-dead languages are themseles only very imperfectly understood today. But the fact that Basque Euskara contains legitimate cognates wiht the languages of four identifiably Atlantean poeples is not without significance.
Perhaps the cognate most revealing in our investigation of Atlantis is "Atalya." It is the name of an ancient ceremonial mound in Biarritz, Basque country.

"Atalya" is also a sacred mountain in the Valley of Mexico venerated by the Aztecs.

"Atalaia" is a site in southern Portugal featuring Bronze Age tumuli, or domed tombs, dating to the late period of Atlantean florescence in the thirteenth centery BC.

"Atalya" is in Gran Canaria, where pyramids built by the Guanches in black, white, and red volcanic stone- the same construction materials described for Atlantis by Plato- may still by seen. There is an additional link between the Basque and the ancient Canary Islanders. The Guanches embraced a singular goat cult with rituals likewise observed in tradition Basque withcraft.

The name "Italy" derives from "Atalia," when, according to Etruscan tradition surviving in Virgil's Aeneid, Atlas ruled there in prehistory. "Italy" means, literally, "the Domain of Atlas," whose daugher was Atlantis.

Indeed, this seems to be the meaning of "Atalia" whenerver and wherever it was used, even by such widely diverse and otherwise unrelated peoples as the Basque, Guanches, Aztecs, and Etruscans. The implication is obvious; namely, that all of them were impacted earlier in their histories by culture bearers from Atlantis. Is is clear tha "Atalia" carries the same connotation in Euskara, Nahuatl, Iberian, and Guanche - the description of a sacred mound, mound-like structure, or mountain. Moreover, "Atalia" would appear derivative of Atlantis itself, where the holy mountain of Atlas was at the center of the empire's mystery religion.

The "Atalia" of the Basque, Aztecs, Iberians and Guanches was probasbly meant to commemorate, in word and image, the original sacred peak, Mount Atlas. No other concievable connection could have linked such dissimilar and widely separated peoples as the Basque, Aztecs, and Guanches, save through the intermediary culture of Atlantis, which stretched so far as to touch them all. To be sure these peoples fell within the Atleantean sphere of influence.

Incredible as it may seem, Euskara's resemblance to Nahuatl and certain North American Indian languages, particularly Algonquin-Lenape, is unmistakable. ... "

http://www.sidis.net/atlantisbasquealgonquinbiblio1.htm

http://www.buber.net/Basque/Euskara/




http://www.lilithgallery.com/articles/atla..._forgotten.html

THE LINGUISTIC ATLANTIS:

Berber-Ibero-Basque

It has been suggested by linguistics that a nomadic Cro-Magnon society existed all the way from Morocco to the British Isles (which explains Stone Henge, similar sites in France, the caves near Basque, and Lixus). Both anthropologists and linguists agree that Basque is descended from a Cro-Magnon language.

Interesting notes: The Basque word for knife means “stone that cuts” and the word for ceiling means “top of cavern”. Basque is also a mystery in terms of its alien styles of vocabulary, syntax and grammatical structure. While the meanings and definitions of words are considered to be primitive, the actual syntax is extremely complex and orderly.

Both the Romans and Carthaginians recorded that Basque was originally very widespread.
Berber left behind the Guanches of the Canary Islands, and Basque their unique European language. Prof. Johannes Friedrich, the leading linguist and expert on Berber claims the language has not changed in almost 2000 years. Its complexity assures that.

The extinct Iberian language (found only on tablets) is related to modern Basque, and is suggested to be either an earlier version of Basque, or a language spoken by one of the earlier stages of Cro-Magnon man.

Welsh, Erse & Gaelic use the same complicated syntax that Basque does. The people living in the British Isles used that language long before the Kelts arrived in 1800 BC. Welsh is peculiar in that it adopted Keltic words into its vocabulary, but maintained the syntax. It is suggested that Pre-Keltic Welsh was identical to Basque.

The Mayas continue to this day to speak their language, and to the surprise of a Basque missionary during the 1500s come to convert them, found that they spoke almost exactly the same language, with a slight difference in pronunciation.

Who were the Easter Islanders?
http://www.mysteriousplaces.com/Easter_Isl...tml/contro.html

It seems that Anthropologists were initially put off the track in accepting that the Islands off Canada and Alaska was the original homeland of Polynesians, because the Austronesian language was not spoken there. Most groups in this area speak the Na Dene language, including the Nuu-tka. The Na Dene Language is a very ancient language and can be found throughout North America, spoken by people such as the Athapaskans and Algonquins. In North Africa, Berbers and Tuaregs speak it too. The Gaelic language of the Celts and Basques is also derived from it. The Na Dene language is associated with the Native Americans who carry the Caucasian cluster of genes called Haplotype X. Many of these people worshipped Menhirs (phallic pillars) and Menatols (hole in a rock, representing the female and used in rebirthing ceremonies), similar to the early cultures of coastal Europe.

One particular island called Ra'iatea was named after the people already living there. The name means ‘Sun people white' and was noted by Captain Wallis, who visited the island in 1767, to have a high proportion of pale skinned people, many of which had red hair, living on it.

Ra'iatea was not the only island where pale skinned, red haired people lived. When European explorers first discovered Easter Island and Tahiti, there were many reports of white people with red hair amongst the native population. For example Mendana, who sailed through the Pacific in 1595, visited an island in the Tuamotus and reported that the chief had “a mass of red and rather curly hair, reaching half way down his back.” Captain Roggveen's visit to Easter Island in 1722, recorded that amongst the first natives to come aboard their ship was the chief who was “an entirely white man.” All the early visitors to Easter Island noted that some of the islanders were not only very fair and tall, but had soft, reddish hair, with greenish, blue eyes. On many islands in southern Polynesia, these people were often found to be holding positions of high rank, but as the years went by, less and less sightings were reported. From the early accounts by Captain Wallis, who voyaged to Tahiti twice, noted that the paler red heads in Tahiti were succumbing to disease brought by European ships more readily than the black haired people. This one fact alone indicates that the ancestry of Pacific Caucasians was not from Europe.



In 1972 Professor Jean Dausset conducted a study of the Caucasian blue/green eyed, red heads of Easter Island, who are in fact a significant part of the Polynesian story. He found them to have an ancient strain of Caucasian blood, which can also be found in the Basques of Spain, characterised by A29 and B12. The analyses revealed that 39% of unrelated Basques and 37% of the Easter Islanders were carriers of the HLA gene B12. These were the highest and second highest proportions tested throughout the world. The figures for A29 were similar. The Easter Islanders, with 37%, had the highest proportion in the world, while the Basques were second with 24%. The most remarkable thing was; that the two genes were found as a haplotype (combined genetic markers) in 11% of Easter islanders and 7.9% of the Basques. No other people in the world had remotely comparable figures."
In fact, from the above tests, the Easter Islanders appear to be of a more pure ancient Caucasian racial stock than the Basques! Although living on one of the most remote islands in the world undoubtedly had a part to play in this, it is highly likely that these people reflect the gene pool of Caucasians that once existed in America.
These Islanders worshipped strange stone idols and Ra the sun God. They also practiced an ancient birdman religion, a form of which is still found amongst the floating reed bed people of the Indus. They made reed rafts and they had a strange writing system akin to the ancient Harappa script. They made Peruvian style interlocking stone walls, and they had circular burial tombs called Tullpa, similar to the Chullpa tombs of Peru, and they both used the knotted cord called Quipu for memorising information. The red haired Paracas mummies and numerous legends of Peru all indicate that red heads were once a significant part of the population in Peru. The brownish/red haired, green eyed, Araucano (Gold people) of Chile is one population that survived the onslaught of the Incas.



Events that unfolded in Peru that led to the exodus of red heads into the Pacific can be read in the ancient Rongo Rongo text of Easter Island which was successfully deciphered in 1892 by Dr A Carroll and describes the ancient history of Peru. It names the many tribes of Peru and their relationships with each other, their allies, their enemies and the wars fought that led up to the final exodus of the Puruha and Cha-Rapa people into the Pacific. His decipherment contains detailed information that would not have been available to him, unless he was reading it from an ancient source. Unfortunately, because this text did not say what the scientists wanted to hear, his valuable work and the Rongo Rongo text was ignored. Interestingly it mentions wars with people who arrived in ships from down the Pacific coast that caused the exodus of the Charapa people into the Pacific. These invaders were related to the Maya, and eventually became the Huari and the Incas. Ironicly these people were distantly related to Polynesians as their genes indicate that they too came from Taiwan 6,000 years ago.

Then in a stroke of misguided genius, Robert Langdon in his book ‘The Lost Caravel Revisited' decided that these red head genes must have been from the San Lesmes, shipwrecked in 1526. He found the island where it was wrecked and the chief took him to the site where four cannons were observed. The chief informed him that the natives had killed and eaten them, not one survived. This did not deter Langdon's investigations, and he proceeded to find not one skerrick of Spanish culture or language amongst the Polynesians. Easter Island was 1,000km upwind and against the current from the shipwreck site. He made no explanation why the shipwrecked sailors chose Easter Island or why they dropped their Catholic faith in favor of an ancient sun worshipping culture, why they decided to elongate their ears or how they were able to commission the natives to make red haired stone idols in their likeness 500 years before they even arrived on the island. Despite this, he continued to assert that Caucasian features in the Pacific were from a 16th century wreck and he wrote a book. Scientists nodded with vacant approval at Langdons lame and unsubstantiated claims. One scientist went on to suggest that the ancient Rongo Rongo script was merely idle doodling by natives attempting to mimic Spanish writing. Another misguided scientist is now claiming Portuguese credit for bringing Kumera (sweet potato) to Polynesia from South America, despite the detailed Polynesian legends and ancient carvings depicting an ancestral Kumera god. Another concluded that the skulls in the Easter Island burial chambers (Tulllpa) were put there to encourage the chickens, now living in the ruins to lay bigger eggs! The most recent scientific article verging on the ridiculous is suggesting that there were no obsidian traders in the Pacific, but it merely arrived on islands embedded in pumice stone. This would have entailed an upcurrent drift from the parent volcano. From the size of some obsidian axes, the core from which it was struck would have been over 20cm diameter. This would suggest that the size of pumice required to float such a rock would have to be almost 1metre in diameter! Personally I have never seen pumice greater than 200mm dia - a rare find at that! These narrow-minded expositions are tainted with so much Euro-centricity and ignorance that it makes one cringe.



Getting back to a more productive line of thinking, Thor Heyerdahl believed the Sun worshipping, long Eared maritime traders of the Maldives had something to do with the Easter Islanders, He had noticed that the sun worshipping Harappa civilization was using money cowries obtained from the Maldives for currency. He also noticed that the ancient Harappa civilization was the only culture in the world to use a script similar to the one used by the Cha-Rapa people of Easter Island.

He even found that the Cha-Rapa people of Charcha Poya in Peru made carvings extremely similar in character to the Easter Island statues. This was obviously an area that required further investigation.



In order to try to identify who the ancient people of Harappa were, the ancient Indian history of the Rig Veda has a wealth of information that is yet to be explored by westerners. It says that the people of Harappa were pale skinned people who did not follow the ancient Hindu religion. They came from a sunken land to the south – identified as the Maldives before sea levels rose. The Rig Veda indicates they were more closely related to the Egyptians. Some of the names of the tribes mentioned in the Rig Veda, relating to the Harappa culture were the Kurus and Purus. Interestingly all these names re-appear with slight variations in Peru. The Puruha, Urus, Charcha-Poya and Cha-Rapa people of Peru, according to Peruvian history were all tall with red or pale curly hair and beards. The Urus still live on floating reed beds on Lake Titicaca - just as their ancestors did on the Tigris River, near the city of Ur. It is also no coincidence that the Inca festival Inta Raymi, which celebrates the 'return of the Sun' or winter solstice festival, has many parallels with Rama the Sun God of India and the festival of Diwali - the festival of light that celebrates the return of Lord Rama, in the northern Hemisphere. Legends of 'The Shining Ones' survivors of a forgotten civilization also seem to follow this race of tall long skulled red heads to places as far afield as Nevada, Ireland and Kurdistan.

try and understand who these ancient Caucasians were, geneticist E. Gomez-Casado found that Basque genes of Spain were part of an ancient Caucasian gene pool that included the blonde haired Berbers of Morrocco, the Tuareg, Egyptians, Minoans, Palestinians, Israelis, Lebanese, Kurds, Turks and as far East as Iran. The racial purity of these people 3,500 years ago would obviously have been much greater than it is today. This makes the possibility that people with Berber genes came from Harappa not so outrageous after all. Interestingly the red haired Phoenicians and Celts, two great seafaring nations that commanded the Atlantic Ocean were also from this gene pool. Haplotype X in North America is also part of this gene pool. Interestingly genetics shows this branch of Europeans left Europe 13,000 years ago, some say they lived in the Sahara, but then why are all their descendants such good mariners? Genetics shows the Celtic branch of red heads returned to Europe after a complete absence of 7,000 years. They most likely arrived in Europe via the Gulf Stream from either North America or the now submerged Grand Bahama Banks where numerous floors remain to be discovered under the shifting sands - the only evidence of this once great flourishing sea port that was wiped out by a Tsunami. Mayan history confirms that 'The Age of the Red heads' ended about 6,000 years ago.

http://users.on.net/~mkfenn/Geneticsrewrit...cprehistory.htm

Very interesting reading with much food for thought! Sorry to seem so obtuse but I'm not sure I understand what is implied as to the relationship of ETs in all this, though. Is it that early caucasians were descendants of ETs or that early Asians were? Or niether?

I'm working my way there... the clue I think are the 'Red Heads'...as in all the recent discoveries of red headed Mummies...all over the world.....
and the tribe of Dan...\

sudden leaps or advances in civilizations....


http://www.burlingtonnews.net/dann.html



An 1880 reprint of the Tribe of Dan's early enterprises and their settlements and connections with the Scythians. Traces the Danaans or Danes of Scandinavia, Ireland, and Scotland back to the Tribe of Dan.

The Tribe of Dan, by its enterprise and vigour, has made itself one of the most conspicuous branches of Jacob's family. Its ancestor was the son of one of the concubines, and was the firstborn of Rachel's household. "God has judged me", said Rachel, and she called his name "Dan", which means to judge, to rule; and this word, perhaps on that occasion first started as a surname has been perpetuated as a title in the Gothic, Anglo-Saxon and English. In these languages Din, Dun, Don and Dan, signify ruler, master. The expression is repeatedly used by Shakespeare, Spenser, Chauser, Prior and others. The Spanish, too, from close contact for ages with the Hebrew, has engrafted it in their title of Don; it is in use in the universities to designate a professor or university official.

How often do we see in the Bible that the name of an individual, foreshadows the character and career. Dan's name given by Rachel implies authority and vigour, and Jacob, when bestowing his blessings (Gen. 49:16), repeats and confirms it: "Dan shall judge his people", said the venerable patriarch, and proceeded to name other characteristics implying great wisdom and astuteness. The serpent is the scriptural symbol of wisdom (Gen. 3:1; Matt. 10:16) : In dealing with foes his plans would be laid with wisdom and secrecy, and his action would be unlooked for and rapid.

Thus begins the opening chapter of this 1880 reprint of the Tribe of Dan's early enterprises and their settlements and connections with the Scythians. The Danaans, or Danes of Scandinavia, Ireland and Scotland are traced back to the Tribe of Dan.

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AND LEGENDS

and the stories of the female Basque God Mari and the Gaelic Irish tales of the Tuatha da Danann.

The Tuatha tales describe powerful gods with orange or blonde hair and other unusual attributes. *See Odin

Mari - the neolithic Goddess of Old Europe and the primary deity in Basque mythology - has many manifestations, including "as a tree that looks like a woman or a tree emitting flames", "a white cloud or rainbow, or a ball of fire in the air", a "sickle of fire, as which she appears crossing the sky" and "seen enveloped in fire, lying down horizontally, moving through the air".

The records from ancient Ireland describe a whole series of invasions. The "Lebor Gabala Erren" ("The Book of the Taking of Ireland" or the "Book of Invasions") , compiled during the 12th century A.D. describes the coming of the mysterious Tuatha de' Danann or Tribe of Danu. They were apparently tall, blond or red-haired strangers, "expert in the arts of pagan cunning", who supposedly interbred with the locals, while teaching them many kinds of useful skills. *See Tribe of Dan (Link will be up soon)

The Lebor Gabala records their dramatic entrance to Ireland as follows:

"In this wise they came, in dark clouds from northern islands of the world. They landed on the mountains of Conmaicne Rein in Connachta, and they brought a darkness over the sun for three days and three nights. Gods were their men of arts, and non-gods their husbandmen."

A gold ship model from 1st century BC Broighter, Ireland. There are many stories of aerial ships or "demon ships" ("loinger demnacda") in the Irish annuals. *See Moses/Dan and UFOs (Link will be up soon)

According to the mythic tales the Tuatha de' Danann were advanced enough to arrive in western Ireland (near modern Connacht) by air. They divided into two social classes: "gods" as teachers of medicine, smithing, communication or druidry, and "non-gods" as farmers or shepherds. Although no one knows for certain what the Tuatha looked like, descriptions, such as of their female war-leader Eriu, indicate tall attractive people with pale skin, high foreheads, long red hair and large blue eyes.

Other descriptions indicate blonde, golden hair with blue eyes. The blonde haired woman in the 1957 abduction of Antonio Villas Boas also had red body hair (pubic hair). She seems remarkably like Peter's female visitor, of which DNA testing was done , and the description of Eriu. If the Tuatha cross-bred with local humans, they would have left hybrid descendants who look somewhat like themselves.

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Both the Greeks and the Basques of ancient times believed that the first people were centaurs. The very word centaur is derived from the Basque word Zalzaval (horse-man).

Many prehistoric cave paintings in the Pyrenees depict the horse, and one of the oldest Basque festivals (the Rigodon dance, from erri-goi-doi, meaning "City of Heaven") features a man in the horse costume (zamalzain, the horse-man) dancing around a cup, variously referred to as the Grail or the entrance to the spirit world. Today, this is a glass of wine.
The zamalzain, in his dance, plays the part of a shaman in instructing the watchers how to gain entrance to Errigodoi.

The Basques used to refer to themselves as the descendents of the Centaurs (Cantavres), who came to earth on the mountain ridge at Oca (today, Demanda) in the center of an ancient island. In ancient times, the Basque area of Europe was indeed an island. In the 9th century, Beato de Liebana of the Monastery of Liebana wrote a manuscript called 'Comentarios al Apocalipsis' which included a Mapa Mundi showing the Basque region as an island; he copied this map from ancient documents preserved in the monastery.

When a group of Basques settled in Britain between 9,000 and 5,000 BC, they took with them the worship of Bel, his Holy Day of May 1, and the building of stone circles. Later, the Beaker People arrived and mixed with the Basques, bringing their innovations, such as working silver and gold. When the Greek geographer Pytheas sailed around Britain in 325 BC, he called them the Pretanic Isles because the inhabitants called themselves the Priteni. This evolved into Prytani (Prytaini, Prydaini), and later became Britanni. In 297 AD the Roman, Emmenius, referred to the people of northern Britain as the 'Picti.' Most researchers believe this to refer to the Latin word 'pictus,' meaning 'painted.' Some, however, believe it may be a latinized version of Priteni, after the Norse 'Pettr,' old English 'Peohta,' and old Scots 'Pecht.'
The Prytani built many stone structures, including stone circles, standing stones, dolmens and stone chambers in earthworks. The inner chambers of these structures were used for ritualistic purposes, and the Prytani buried their dead in a fetal position so they would be ready for rebirth. At Belteine, the rebirth of summer was celebrated with bonfires atop many hills, where cattle were driven through the flames to ensure their fertility for the coming year (and the people also jumped through the flames). The Prytani also worshipped the Old Serpent, who was thought to travel across the countryside on straight paths at certain times of the year. The old straight tracks (called ley lines today) that criss-cross Britain between standing stones have been dated to between 4000 BC and 2000 BC.

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Of added interest are certain details that have been handed down to us by Geoffrey of Monmouth. (15) We are told by him how Partholan's colony consisted of thirty ships. Interestingly, Nennius makes no mention of the number of ships, but does tell us that the colony consisted of 1000 souls, which indicates that he and Geoffrey were working from different sources. (16) However, Geoffrey also tells us that the colony had recently been expelled from the Spanish mainland, and moreover that they were called 'Basclenses', or Basques. Now, we know that the present-day Basques of northern Spain are of an entirely mysterious origin, and we also know that they speak a language that is quite unrelated to any known Indo-European tongue. In which context, it is interesting to note what Professor Mackie has written concerning the language of the early Picts who had more than a passing influence on both the early and later history of the Irish:

'The Picts certainly used a form of P-Celtic (the mother of Welsh, Cornish and Breton), with traces of Gaulish forms. However, it is clear, from the few scraps of evidence which survive, that the Picts also used another language, probably unrelated to any "Indo-European" tongue and therefore so different from modern European languages as to be incomprehensible to us.' (17)
Presumably, this information would not have been available to that allegedly incorrigible forger, Geoffrey of Monmouth, but it is instinctive to compare Mackie's remarks with a comment by Cusack, when she says:
'...those who have maintained the theory of a Gaulish colonisation of Ireland, have been obliged to make Spain the point of embarkation.' (18)

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In spite of Goliath's physique, and the enormity of his sword, young David slew him, prior to any legitimate combat, with a well-aimed sling-shot to the forehead. But in later times, when threatened by Goliath's equally large family members, 'David waxed faint', leaving their destruction to his servants (2 Samuel 21:15-22). Elhanen of Bethlehem managed to slay the brother of Goliath, 'whose spear-staff was like a weaver's beam'. David's nephew Jonathan then slew a son of Goliath, who had 'on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes'. {Also found in South America and possibly connected to the African migration there that scholars [National Geographic] are saying came there 30,000 years ago. This connection relates to Zimbabwe and designs and structures as well as wall or mountain drawings. There is a tribe of six digit people in the area of the truly ancient Zimbabwean civilization, and there is a National League mulatto ball player/reliever for the Marlins who has this feature.}Other sons of Goliath, namely Ishi-benob and Saph, were also killed by David's men Abishai and Sibbechai, but in no event are we told how the victories were won.” (20)

My take on this debate is that the traders who went to South and perhaps North America (Adena) brought back people to amaze and later fight for them. The Cyclops is one of the Patagonian giants who suffered a grievous injury or was a genetic experiment or interbreeding failure. The bones of these people would never have been buried and as relics or aphrodisiacs among Oriental people would have fetched a pretty sum of whatever passed for money. There was trade with China and the legends of the civilizations on the routes to and from China are now proven archaeologically. There is breaking stories of massive battles in the Americas which may include evidence of the same sized people. If DNA tests are done on the bones in Ohio it might prove a connection. As to a whole tribe of Zamzummims being able to flourish among such a warlike people who would value their bones I have my doubts. Perhaps during the time of David's offspring Solomon, and for a limited time he was able to protect them. In South America it seems they were difficult to communicate with although at one point they were regarded as 'kings'. Such regard could be a 'spiritual or other front', as we must always consider when we talk about our 'conspiracy' or skeptical theories.

There is little doubt that Sicily was a key seafaring center and that the Tartessians and other Iberian Kelts or Basques were there. By bringing such a genetic anomaly to an island it guarantees a certain degree of safety and control without appearance of being slave-masters and allowing the individuals to acclimate to their surroundings. This effect leads to more effective conception and procreation as we know with the Pandas and other rare animals in Zoos. (Sardinia, too.)

"BLUE BLOODS.
WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN???

There were the blue-bloods of Ancient Times which extended into European Times. . They actually did have blue blood, and it was not hemoglobin based but copper based. They were semi-human. There are still to this day, some animal species in South America that have copper based blood systems. There was a problem with hemophilia, and not because of intermarrying. The problem was that they started to marry outside of the copper based blood system. Hemoglobin and copper systems don't mix. That's where the laws against marrying commoners originated.

The Red Haired Mummies of the Canary Islands


Off the coast of West Africa lie the Canary Islands - this region became home to a mysterious group of Nordics in antiquity who became known as the Guanches.

The best evidence of what these original Guanche Nordics looked like, is in the fortuitous existence of original Guanche mummies, which are on public display in that island group's national museum.

The most stunning link between the Guanches and the Egyptians comes in the form of pyramids - the Guanches built several small step pyramids on the islands, using exactly the same model as those found in ancient Egypt and in Mesopotamia. The pyramids have an east-west alignment.

Generally dolichocephalic, fair-featured with blond or red-hair, with males over six foot tall and women approaching six feet in height, they were a people of tall, strong and comely appearance, resembling many Northern Europeans today but for a generally greater and more robust stature. Their general appearance and racial characteristic were valued by the Spanish:

"All historians agree in reporting that the Canarians were beautiful. They were tall, well built and of singular proportion. They were also robust and courageous with high mental capacity. Women were very beautiful and Spanish Gentlemen often used to take their wives among the population. The belief that the ancient Canarians were a people favored by great duration of life became popular at the time of the Spanish Conquest ."(Webmaster note a 'Fountain of Youth' and one of the reasons in reports led to Columbus to look beyond the Canary Islands for it.) [The Early Inhabitants of the Canary Islands, By Alf Bajocco, 1965 Part IV cont. http://geocities.com/MotorCity/Factory/2583/Canary4.htm, D. Clarke webmaster]


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Whats this, the crystal sage thread? Don't you think you should i) offer some of your own input, ii) wait for people to respond to what you've posted before posting more and more, and iii) actually have a legitamate point to be making?

It’s a direct translation of the Spanish sangre azul. Many of the oldest and proudest families of Castile used to boast that they were pure bred, having no link with the Moors who had for so long controlled the country, or indeed any other group. As a mark of this, they pointed to their veins, which seemed bluer in colour than those of such foreigners. This was simply because their blue-tinted veins showed up more prominently in their lighter skin, but they took it to be a mark of their pure breeding.

So the phrase blue blood came to refer to the blood which flowed in the veins of the oldest and most aristocratic families.

not REAL blue blood...

BTW, do you really believe all these questionable/bizarre theories you post? just wondering

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Give words from Nahuatl dictionary.

Matlock, in his defence of the Yucatan Straits as the site of Atlantis, cites place names as one of his compelling proofs. He points to:

Atlán, Autlán, Mazatlán, Cihuatlán, Cacatlán, Tecaltitlán, Tihuatlán, Atitlán, Zapotlán, Minititlán, Ocotlán, Miahuatlán, Tecaltitlán, Tepatitlán, Tihuatlán, Texiutlán, and the like.
Notice that the Nahuatl Tlán root of these place names is exactly like the Tlan in "Atlantis."
Atlas - or his substitute - is also encountered in diverse places performing his function of holding up the world. Quetzalcoatl is shown in paintings and in an engraving holding up the world.

The Basque people living in the Pyrenees between Spain and France are a unique people. The Romans called them Vascones. The name "Basque" was used by the French and English. The Basque people themselves say they came from Atlaintika, a powerful maritime nation that sank into the Atlantic Ocean ofter a terrible cataclysm and from which a few survivors reached the Bay of Biscay and the Pyrenees mountains.

You (re)posted this in another forum, where I responded on the next to last post on the first page (look for the basset hound). To recap, you have one root (-tlan) that resembles Atlantis a bit, not a dozen or so words reflecting relationship. And no-one can quite prove the Romans' Vascones were the Basques. And where does this Basques story of originating come from?

From Edgar Cauce's Atlantis and Lemuria page 32-34:

The Basque call their language, Euskara. It is an absolutely unique tonque, unrelated to any Indo-European speech. Strangely, Euskara shares some affinity with Finno-Urgic Patumnili (spoken in ancient Troy), Etruscan (belonging to the pro-Roman civilizers of western Italy, traditionally descended from the Trojans), Guanche (spoken by the highly Atlantean inhabitants of the Canary Islands) and Nahuatl, the language of the Aztecs. These long-dead languages are themseles only very imperfectly understood today. But the fact that Basque Euskara contains legitimate cognates wiht the languages of four identifiably Atlantean poeples is not without significance.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too. *Either* Euskara is "absolutely unique" *or* it has affinities to 'Patumnili', Etruscan, et al. And can you tell me more about 'Patumnili'? I assume you mean it's an Finno-Ugric language, but I can't find any mention of it in Google or Wikipedia, nor are there Finno-Ugric languages spoken in Turkey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_languages). Nobody knows what they spoke at Troy, but some people think it may have been Luwian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_language, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luwian_language).
And, by the way, Nahuatl is not dead. Over a million people still speak it in Mexico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahuatl).


The name "Italy" derives from "Atalia," when, according to Etruscan tradition surviving in Virgil's Aeneid, Atlas ruled there in prehistory. "Italy" means, literally, "the Domain of Atlas," whose daugher was Atlantis.

"The name appears to be a Greek form of Latin Vitelia, related to the Latin vitulus and Greek ἰταλός 'calf', but nature of the relationship is obscure: see Italus." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy)

"Italus (or Italos) was a legendary king of the Sicels or Oenotrians, who were among the earliest inhabitants of Italy. In his Fabularum Liber (or Fabulae) , Gaius Julius Hyginus recorded the myth that Italus was a son of Penelope and Telegonus.
According to Thucydides (History of the Peloponnesian War), Italy (Italia) got its name from this Italus figure. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italus)


Incredible as it may seem, Euskara's resemblance to Nahuatl and certain North American Indian languages, particularly Algonquin-Lenape, is unmistakable. ...

So unmistakable, in fact, you don't need to offer evidence?




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http://www.atlantissource.com/traditions/atlas.htm

"Give words from Nahuatl dictionary.

Matlock, in his defence of the Yucatan Straits as the site of Atlantis, cites place names as one of his compelling proofs. He points to:

Atlán, Autlán, Mazatlán, Cihuatlán, Cacatlán, Tecaltitlán, Tihuatlán, Atitlán, Zapotlán, Minititlán, Ocotlán, Miahuatlán, Tecaltitlán, Tepatitlán, Tihuatlán, Texiutlán, and the like.
Notice that the Nahuatl Tlán root of these place names is exactly like the Tlan in "Atlantis."
Atlas - or his substitute - is also encountered in diverse places performing his function of holding up the world. Quetzalcoatl is shown in paintings and in an engraving holding up the world.

The Basque people living in the Pyrenees between Spain and France are a unique people. The Romans called them Vascones. The name "Basque" was used by the French and English. The Basque people themselves say they came from Atlaintika, a powerful maritime nation that sank into the Atlantic Ocean ofter a terrible cataclysm and from which a few survivors reached the Bay of Biscay and the Pyrenees mountains.

From Edgar Cauce's Atlantis and Lemuria page 32-34:

The Basque call their language, Euskara. It is an absolutely unique tonque, unrelated to any Indo-European speech. Strangely, Euskara shares some affinity with Finno-Urgic Patumnili (spoken in ancient Troy), Etruscan (belonging to the pro-Roman civilizers of western Italy, traditionally descended from the Trojans), Guanche (spoken by the highly Atlantean inhabitants of the Canary Islands) and Nahuatl, the language of the Aztecs. These long-dead languages are themseles only very imperfectly understood today. But the fact that Basque Euskara contains legitimate cognates wiht the languages of four identifiably Atlantean poeples is not without significance.
Perhaps the cognate most revealing in our investigation of Atlantis is "Atalya." It is the name of an ancient ceremonial mound in Biarritz, Basque country.

"Atalya" is also a sacred mountain in the Valley of Mexico venerated by the Aztecs.

"Atalaia" is a site in southern Portugal featuring Bronze Age tumuli, or domed tombs, dating to the late period of Atlantean florescence in the thirteenth centery BC.

"Atalya" is in Gran Canaria, where pyramids built by the Guanches in black, white, and red volcanic stone- the same construction materials described for Atlantis by Plato- may still by seen. There is an additional link between the Basque and the ancient Canary Islanders. The Guanches embraced a singular goat cult with rituals likewise observed in tradition Basque withcraft.

The name "Italy" derives from "Atalia," when, according to Etruscan tradition surviving in Virgil's Aeneid, Atlas ruled there in prehistory. "Italy" means, literally, "the Domain of Atlas," whose daugher was Atlantis.

Indeed, this seems to be the meaning of "Atalia" whenerver and wherever it was used, even by such widely diverse and otherwise unrelated peoples as the Basque, Guanches, Aztecs, and Etruscans. The implication is obvious; namely, that all of them were impacted earlier in their histories by culture bearers from Atlantis. Is is clear tha "Atalia" carries the same connotation in Euskara, Nahuatl, Iberian, and Guanche - the description of a sacred mound, mound-like structure, or mountain. Moreover, "Atalia" would appear derivative of Atlantis itself, where the holy mountain of Atlas was at the center of the empire's mystery religion.

The "Atalia" of the Basque, Aztecs, Iberians and Guanches was probasbly meant to commemorate, in word and image, the original sacred peak, Mount Atlas. No other concievable connection could have linked such dissimilar and widely separated peoples as the Basque, Aztecs, and Guanches, save through the intermediary culture of Atlantis, which stretched so far as to touch them all. To be sure these peoples fell within the Atleantean sphere of influence.

Incredible as it may seem, Euskara's resemblance to Nahuatl and certain North American Indian languages, particularly Algonquin-Lenape, is unmistakable. ... "

So nice you had to post it twice? Or thrice even?





The Mayas continue to this day to speak their language, and to the surprise of a Basque missionary during the 1500s come to convert them, found that they spoke almost exactly the same language, with a slight difference in pronunciation.

Again, this would be fascinating if there were some evidence for it.


Both the Greeks and the Basques of ancient times believed that the first people were centaurs. The very word centaur is derived from the Basque word Zalzaval (horse-man).

The centaurs descended from Centaurus, who mated with the Magnesian mares. Centaurus was the son of either Ixion and Nephele (the cloud made in the image of Hera) or of Apollo and Stilbe, daughter of the river god Peneus. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centaurs). Hard to have centaurs first when they were descended from people, then.



Of added interest are certain details that have been handed down to us by Geoffrey of Monmouth. (15) We are told by him how Partholan's colony consisted of thirty ships. Interestingly, Nennius makes no mention of the number of ships, but does tell us that the colony consisted of 1000 souls, which indicates that he and Geoffrey were working from different sources. (16) However, Geoffrey also tells us that the colony had recently been expelled from the Spanish mainland, and moreover that they were called 'Basclenses', or Basques. Now, we know that the present-day Basques of northern Spain are of an entirely mysterious origin, and we also know that they speak a language that is quite unrelated to any known Indo-European tongue. In which context, it is interesting to note what Professor Mackie has written concerning the language of the early Picts who had more than a passing influence on both the early and later history of the Irish:

Geoffrey of Monmouth as a /source/? Oh dear...

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... "Navigation equipment depicted in the Irian Caves From Commander F. E. Bassett, USN, Chairman, Navigation Department, United States Naval Academy (Annapolis): 22 November 1974 ‘Your letter concerning the West Irian cave discoveries was received with great interest… The following comments are offered concerning the sketches. They are only educated guesses based on the collective knowledge of navigation department personnel of celestial navigation (we have no experts on navigation prior to the European “Age of Discoveries�. But we do have a number of texts that may point you in the correct direction in your search for a leading authority)…

a. no apparent significance.

b. Agreement. It would seem that the light ray is the only logical explanation. (Note by editor: this refers to the first figure in the series of diagrams published in Occ. Pub. No. 18. The sketch was submitted to the Naval authorities before the associated hieroglyphic text was identified and deciphered. The deciphered caption proved to read ‘ray from the sun’.)…

c. The drawing appears to resemble an explanatory diagram discussing the theory of parallel light rays from outer space. The theory assumes that the celestial bodies are at an infinite distance from the earth. (Note by editor: this refers to the second figure in Occ. Pub. No. 18. Here again Commander Bassett’s interpretation is in excellent agreement with the hieroglyphic text subsequently deciphered.)

d. It is speculated that figure d is a diagram illustrating that one body would be observed at different altitudes from different positions of observers. (Note by editor: This refers to the third diagram in Occ. Pub. No. 18 for which no related text has been so far identified. Commander Bassett’s suggestion seems to be a very reasonable and appropriate explanation of the diagram.)

Group 3. Items shown as anchors appear definitely to be anchors. Item A might perhaps be a grapnel hook. Items B and C could possibly be altitude measuring devices which use a plumb bob to establish the vertical. The circular portion may be inscribed with angular scale. {The Masonic T- square has this concept and may symbolize their ancient trading secret that enabled them to go to where they wanted and continue to trade for cocaine, emeralds and gold without much competition for many millennia. I will cover this in greater detail shortly.} (Note by editor: these items are still under study at Harvard where there is agreement with these comments; one item depicted is apparently an early form of Torquetum, an analog computer employing a plumb bob and circular scales, used in the study of planetary motion along the elliptic. Dr. Sentiel Rommel is developing a replica.)….

Item E best resembles illustrations of early astrolabes. (Note by the Editor: the hieroglyphic text accompanying this figure is believed to read ‘Number reckoner of the Delta astronomer’; and Harvard scientists developed a wood model based on the sketch, calibrated to give time by night, the position of the zodiacal constellations at all hours for all days of the year, the daily correction of correction of cross staff zenith angle to yield latitude, and the daily position of the sun on the ecliptic. This model will be published after further study by Dr. Sentiel Rommel.)…�

The mention of Delta intrigues me. I know the Great Pyramid produces Delta wave form energy and I believe most astrolabes were in tune with the cosmic and earth energy. Based on metallurgical analysis we know the astrolabe found in Wisconsin dates to the same era or earlier than the Antikythera. There are two perfect tetrahedra in the Great Pyramid and the energy flowing around and over (or through) it causes changing effects which may be discernable in other key locations on the Earth Energy Grid where many have shown the same harmonic vibration does exist. The Mayan people built their city centers on these key points. Masons build stele in the middle of existing roads in the Nova Scotia Grid tied in with Oak Island. I think we can imagine these technologies may account for the two sidereal charts of the heavens (along with recently discovered lenses in various parts of the world) inside the Great Pyramid. That means there was this kind of technology around approximately 80,000 years ago because each sidereal chart takes almost 26,000 years to observe.

That brings us to the T-Square which figures so prominent in the Masonic token or symbology. The early one had no arc for angular calculation but the Torquetum required the perpendicular calculation which it would provide. This important symbol is known as the T-Square of Ptah and the Masons claim they are the continuation of knowledge going back at least ten thousand years. The other meanings of the degrees which all Masons go through and ties in to the vertebrae number (33) and the most puissant level claimed by Crowley (90) are all intuited in the hierarchy needed to make a decent code. If overheard one simply explains the least important or offensive attribution of the code. So in this one excerpt we have the technology and a far more ancient date thereof than our history has told us – we also have it appearing all over the world and some secretive potentials associated with it.

The Olmec were a 'Brotherhood' that included blacks and Asians along with Basque and Berber as well as the Kelts. There is no part of this world that won't be found engaged in the global society if we only wish to open our eyes to the current archaeological data. The 'red-headed' mummies at the present day Great Wall of China have made an important contribution to the picture we've already presented in the foregoing chapters. Their NW European linguistic root that is unlike the neighboring people of 4,000 and more years ago is very important. It is academic fact and not some fiction we are talking about! Genetics or HLA and the Rh factor join the actual reliefs in Lima that are accurate reflections of a cocaine trade that began the downfall of this 'Brotherhood'. There are so many possibilities and facts.

You should enjoy thinking about them and making your own decision. We all need a healthy dose of critical thinking in order to overcome the religious element or propaganda that infests so many present worldwide nations. The Indians of North America knew we couldn't own God or nature and they had no real border crossings. Their ethics and laws were similar and sometimes identical to the ideals of the Kelts or Osianic and post-Atlantean culture. They had the purple dye of the Phoenicians and cotton clothes. They were much more than we are led to believe. Based on this brief summary of the well-documented and referenced data we have covered so far we are about to explore Magog and the other Great Lake region to the east.

We have mentioned the meaning of 'phre' in the ancient Irish or Keltic language as presented by an obscure Masonic author named MacDari from 1923. It began my serious researches into the 'followers of Finn and the Fianna' or the 'Phoenicians' as Dr. D. J. Conway and others know them. All the linguistic data and expertise makes a lot of sense to those who research these things but the average person can only intuit their importance. 'Phre' or 'Free' and the Masonic roots that are traceable to Tuthmosis and even more ancient culture are an interesting story. These ancients knew 'sun' worship was also the worship of the 'son' of God and that all 'free' men and women were divine in their soul just as all life is part of God. These ideals were vibrant and alive among the Iroquois before Columbus, in a time long after the Hopewell civilization had incorporated into the Iroquois people after 500 AD and became known as the 'Megwi'. The Mediwiwin are Masonic Indians and I suspect Joseph Brant’s father and earlier ancestors knew it full well. The Iroquois Confederation and the US Constitutional Government are similar and from the same people.

This seemingly incredible connection saw the spiritual leaders of this culture who we know as Isis and Osiris founded Memphis in 36,000 B.C. according to the Egyptian priest/historian Manetho. His work is augmented by the discovery of a 35,000 year old deep mine in Egypt within the last few years, but his times are not accurate and his history highly suspect. But could Lake Memphremagog really have been a mining colony of Memphis and the Biblical land of Magog where Gog ruled? This connection goes back into a far more distant time than the Father of Biblical Archaeology (W. F. Albright, who says the Bible is a "Phoenician literary legacy") might have guessed. I suggest it will never be close to certain, but sometimes I wonder if today’s events are really very certain too.

The Phoenician 'emporiae' or trading posts are relevant to a time long before the Christian mystery schools like Rosicrucianity. They are linked to the presentation of Sumer and the alien reptoids called Anunnaki by such recent authors as Laurence Gardner (Genesis of the Grail Kings), but the story in its entirety is far more than any three books can tell. We cannot accept the Euro-centric efforts of propagandists who have built their history upon the psychological warfare of the Roman Empire and related British Empire. We must pierce these tales once thought to be history and discover the truth of legends that bring us the archaeologic proof which satellites have played an important part in uncovering. From Yonaguni to Kidmet Enrob and Caral of Peru, there are so many great proofs and evidences that only a few years ago were deemed myth or outright fiction.

Our search for the origins of man and his culture includes the 6,000,000 year-old humans who were not related to australopithecines and a plethora of multi-disciplinary proof from all areas of science. We may not even be related to apes! Sorry! I beg forgiveness from the author of Planet of the Apes and allow that all of us had been so convinced of this; we forgot that Darwin also wrote about a theory of love. There truly have been many legends created to make sheep out of mankind. The steel or iron stelae that has stood on the land of present-day India (Pillar of Asoka that was there before him) for millennia before the supposed 'Iron Age', brings proof of metallurgical secret knowledge. It can hardly be overlooked while it rises 150 feet above the landscape of the lush sub-continent that has experienced far less upheaval from glacial and other natural changes than most of the world. There are Armenian/Phoenician metalworkers that many scholars say could harden copper long before other humans (at least 7000 BC). They may have gotten their ingredients for the Damascus Swords from the sub-continent, according to a recent detailed investigation in Scientific American. It wasn't until the 20th Century that science could duplicate this carbon based steel with such a fine cutting edge that makes one think of the legends of King Arthur's sword and trusted companion Excalibur. To give copper a cutting edge was as important as the malleable metal ores themselves."

The prophecy of Ezekiel and the invaders who might bring the end of the world is really talking about the people of Armenia/Pont from the Anatolian shores of the Black Sea. This appears to be long after the waters of the Mediterranean rushed in to create the Black Sea in 5500 BC. However, there is reason to believe the people of the Don and Danube or other earlier glacial rivers that flowed north had been the dominant force for thousands of years. Are they this longtime prophetic group of the land of Magog?

Members are also asked to avoid copying and pasting huge amounts of text from other web sites to support an arguement. One or two quoted paragraphs and a source link are more than sufficient, and always include your own opinion to go along with any quoted material you use.

--Jaylemurph

What is a basque?

The Basques are a native European ethnic group that live in the northern border areas between France and Spain in the Pyrenees.

--Jaylemurph

for more information... LINK-> Basque people

http://users.on.net/~mkfenn/Geneticsrewrit...cprehistory.htm

The Maori link!!!!!

http://books.google.com/books?id=zQL8POkFG...R4-RYkr5l4J8lc0

Crystal --

Just to check in with reality -- Georgian is not only related to, but descended from and cognate with, other South Caucasian languages.


--Jaylemurph

Good luck with that.

http://www.open.ge/art/treasure/archit~1.htm

These would have looked magical!..





http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...s-ethnic_en.svg

http://www.everyculture.com/Ge-It/Georgia.html

Note these are of Cappadocia

As Georgia is a next door neighbour... could not they have had similar subterranean cities????

http://www.gototurkey.co.uk/discover_turke...cappadocia.html

Hi CS
Having very close connections with the Basque country (Pais Vasco) I am unable to find any Euskara (or Euskadi) word that resembles Zalzaval, indeed there are two Euskara words that are used to mean Centaur and these are "kentauro", and "zentauro". Although in truth they actually refer to something with the body of a Bull (Tauro), and the words appear to have come from Castellano. The Euskara word "Ken" means "Negative, or minus" and the Euskara word "Zen" means "deceased" or more accurately "late" (as in dead).
"Erri-goi-doi" is a little problematic because although "Goi" can be used to mean "above", or rarely "Heavens as in Sky"; "Doi" translates as "Just enough" and the Euskara for "City" is "Hiri"

The horseman is named "zaldizko,or zaldun", so I am having difficulty in following the other persons research that you quoting here. However, all of these Euskara "words" ARE found in The Da Vinci Code, this makes me a little suspicious as to their veracity.

Just one more point, many have tried to link Mayan with Euskara, mostly to promote the idea that the Vasco people discovered South America, unfortunately no - one has been able to prove any link whatsoever. I would like more info on the Vasco Missionary as well - sounds too far fetched

Always happy to be proved wrong though......

Basque is a country that fights to independence of spain,the ETA is a basque group of Basque independence,but spain dont want to give independence or not want to recognize them as a country.

its funny this topic talks about DNA and blood from basques,because many time ago I made a topic about Portuguese and Basque DNA being so unique,and most of the people didn't believe me or said that wasn't possible.

The discussion was so intense that I had to tell to moderator to close it.

here it is : http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...c=70270&hl=

Hi Endymion,

Your first statement is purely political, but will reply as best I can, briefly. Pais Vasco is an AREA that is transnational, it is not a country. The Spanish part of the Pais Vasco has a huge amount of autonomy within Spain as do the other 4 major regions, but CANNOT be recognised as a country because France might object a little bit. I am happy to discourse further on this topic and will open a new topic if you wish for such a discussion.

Neither Portuguese nor Vasco DNA is "so unique", they contain the expected regional variations. Vasco DNA contains a high proportion of O Rh Negative blood groups, but then that is my blood group as well.

An interesting snippet from Wiki that reveals that the claimed genetic "uniqueness" of the Vascos is unsupportable scientifically:



Actually it might go some way to explaining my blood group.....

This is from spanish studies of NCBI:

"Department of Immunology, Hospital 12 de Octubre, Universidad Complutense, Avda. Andalucía s/n. E-28041, Madrid, Spain.

HLA-A, -B, -DRB1, -DQA1, and DQB1 alleles were studied in Iberian and Algerian populations by serology and DNA sequence methodologies. The genetic and cultural relatedness among Basques, Spaniards, and paleo-North Africans (Berbers or Tamazights) was established. Portuguese people have also maintained a certain degree of cultural and ethnic-specific characteristics since ancient times. The results of the present HLA study in Portuguese populations show that they have features in common with Basques and Spaniards from Madrid: a high frequency of the HLA-haplotypes A29-B44-DR7 (ancient western Europeans), A2-B7-DR15 (ancient Europeans and paleo-North Africans), and A1-B8-DR3 (Europeans) are found as common characteristics. Portuguese and Basques do not show the Mediterranean A33-B14-DR1 haplotype, suggesting a lower admixture with Mediterraneans; Spaniards and Algerians do have this haplotype in a relatively high frequency, indicating a more extensive Mediterranean genetic influence. The paleo-North African haplotype A30-B18-DR3 present in Basques, Algerians, and Spaniards is not found in Portuguese either. The Portuguese have a characteristic unique among world populations: a high frequency of HLA-A25-B18-DR15 and A26-B38-DR13, which may reflect a still detectable founder effect coming from ancient Portuguese, i.e., oestrimnios and conios; Basques and Algerians also show specific haplotypes, A11-B27-DR1 and A2-B35-DR11, respectively, probably showing a relatively lower degree of admixture. A neighbor-joining dendrogram place Basques, Portuguese, Spaniards, and Algerians closer to each other and more separated from other populations. Genetic, cultural, geological, and linguistic evidence also supports the hypothesis that people coming from a fertile Saharan area emigrated towards the north (southern Europe, Mesopotamia, the Mediterranean Islands, and the North African coast) when the climate changed drastically to hotter and drier ca 10 000 years B.C.

PMID: 9382919 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"


why you say Vasco instead of Basco?

Don't know if this will help....
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/indoeuropean.html

Red hair is actually the rarest type of natural hair color in humans, estimates on the original occurrence of the currently active gene for red hair vary from 20,000 to 100,000 years ago. The pigment pheomelanin gives red hair its distinctive color. It is a part of our ever evolving makeup. In Africa, for example, red hair is selected against because high levels of sun would be harmful towards fair skin. However, in Northern Europe this does not happen and so redheads come about through genetic drift. Red hair or fur can be found in some breeds of dog and cat, and certain species of fox and deer. It is widespread amongst the species, not peculiar to humans. As far as I know, no occourences have occoured in the island societies, eg. Jamaica.


There is a theory the Red Hair Gene originated in Neandertal Man. Click this link for more on this, but even though this article states Oxford made the claim, the above link to Oxford states the opposite. Interesting theory though, I thought the above links might be handy to help postulate your theory.

I heard on the Radio last week that the Red Hair Gene will be bred out of society in 50-60 years? That sounds difficult to believe, anybody heard of this theory?

I've heard the same thing on the news, but I lack any knowledge of biology or genetics to comment on it.

--Jaylemurph