WOWS!! thats sweet!I wonder what the hot spot near the shoulder of the otherwise cool figure is?Maybe some kind of core energy thats keeping the spirit there?

That is a classic video. Remembered when it aired. They could not reproduce anything near the same effects. Glad it is on where I see it again.

yes i was intrigued with that hot spot but there certaintly was someone giving them the eye.....its a shame they didnt try to carry on recording and walked through the specta to c wot appens....if this is full proof then we have a good bit of evidence to spectral visitations of the human conscienceness

I do believe that when they went back down there, they found that it was a locker with the number 2 on it. They tried to tape the same thing and found the 2 didn't show up the same.

My memory isn't too good, so don't hold me to this if I'm wrong.

your explanation is more probable,but theirs is more fun.

My sons' favorite is like this, with the figure running against a wall.
I still like the St.Augustine proof best, but the thermals are a close second.

Such a great episode... and theres absolutely no explanation for it. Even if it was Grant's form as he leaned up against something, there is absolutely no reason the #2 on the locker should glow that hot and the rest would register as colder...

This really makes me wonder what that hot spot is
Cool video!

Oh, man! You don't know how many times I wanted to post this video on UM and another one I can't find. This can lead to some VERY interesting discussion. I love Ghost Hunters.


Have any of you seen the one where they use the thermal camera to video a self proclaimed "psychic", who gives Jason a reading. While giving Jason a reading, the colors around the psychic actually lean towards Jason, and then the same happens with Jason's colors.. They lean towards the man and connect with it!

Unexplained Mysteries remember the show?

I have seen one episode where they were able to capture weird hot spot on the celings...it was bigger than this one...

probably gateway to another demension for ghost...

I remember this episode.. and yes, Was so very much going to mention the St. Augustine lighthouse one. Now *THAT* is a video clip that needs to be shown. It's pure freaky.

I like the footage of the cloaked figure running down a corridor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9XmYqAIB0

haha! I was going to post this

It's the same thing.. only just the footage of the figure, no pans out of the guys or sound. So you gett a good (almost) steady look at it.

Looks like a dude in a cape.

You’re right they tried to reinact the sighting a second time and when they got back down to where the sighting happed, the two was on an old locker, when Grant touched the two it was cool plus to add to the sighting the lock was old and the paint was faded.

So I think this is a clear sighting that there are haunted place and ghost out there, even if others like to say nope it not true, some paranormal investigator think different, but at least this puts the world, one step closer the world of the unexplained, and shows to the ones that don’t believe that it’s a good chance that ghost/spirits could really exists.

You are correct. I watched this episode as well.

whoa spooky! i never seen the video before but its good evidence for life after death

Some person was cold after freezing for a period of time, and the red is that this person is warming up..not enuff proof of life after death

This was a really cool show. My other half kept telling me that he was sick of watching these kind of shows because im so hooked on them. Yet I caught him the other day watching them in his hobby room.. Busted.

There wasn't anybody there but Jason and Grant(both wearing T-shirts) and they weren't freezing.

Here is a debunk of the locker ghost : http://www.ultimatetechlinks.com/CrescentHotelAnalysis.html

That debunk made me chuckle..

He could be right... however, he wasn't there and is only going by what he can pick out from the scenes and what he knows about thermal cameras and such.

So, until Grant comes out and says that it was him...

I think i'll stick to the most likely explanations though and this one makes perfect sense.

man i gotta say that your avator is one scary looking picture!!!

true enough

wow perhaps you are right. perhaps you are wrong. however i am just simply curious how long it took you to complete your analysis? dang! that musta took forever

That debunk is bunk.

1. They are very familiar with reflections. If they thought it was a reflection, they'd have definitley considered it.

2. The "reflection" as you call it, is not clear enough to make any accurate comparison with Grant himself. How can you even say he/she was wearing a short sleave shirt? That's entirely subjective and up for interpratation.

3. What light source caused the reflection? The only light that was in there was from the camera itself, and the light was shining ON Grant.

4th, and the best reason to believe it's not a reflection. If you watch the video, Grant was the one filming. He was moving the camera WHILE filming the "reflection", yet the "reflection" didn't move at all.

Edit: 5th, why would a REFLETION have a different temperature than it's surroundings, in the exact shape of the person it's reflecting?

So..


I think that's wrong.

Nice try though. I still think it's very possibly a ghost.

1. No they are not, because if they knew IR light reflect just like normal light, they wouldn't have been the least surprised to see a reflection there. It would actually be more odd if there was no reflection there.

2. That's true (i didn't make the debunk, i just linked to it) but if you have a sense of logic and understanding of IR light then there is no doubt that it's Grants reflection. I repeat : "It would be more odd if there was no reflection of Grant."

3. The IR light ofcourse.

4. IR light is like a combo of light and temperature. When it's beeing reflected of a surface it works more like an imprint that slowly fades.

5. Again, it's IR light. It reflects the IR light. It looses alot of temperature when beeing reflected hence the burning hot "2".

Now before you go and make more mistakes in form of using a tv show as a fundament for believing in ghosts, i'll advice you to read a bit of this :

http://geocities.com/revealtaps2007/

And here is a link to SAPS, this girl actually went to some of the locations and exposed the TAPS team of directly lying about certain architechture only to make their show more believeable.

http://www.skepticalanalysis.com/index.html

TAPS are some believable guys, but in the end it's just another TV show that needs to keep activity coming to keep beeing aired.

Elaborate please.


I'll read the links later. And no, they are not why I believe in Ghosts.

Ok, just read about 3/4 of that first link. Doesn't really give anything interesting or new. All it is doing is complaining about a few time stamps that were not shown, and using it to make their case sounds more believable. They are relying on many assumptions to make their arguement.

Looked at the second link, but don't need it. I already know how to debunk most things. But I do it with an open mind. For instance, when my girlfriend's dad told us about the time his father called after his death, I knew there was no accurate way for me to debunk this. I was not there, I did not experience it, therefore I do not have the knowledge to know if it was real or not. I did not however, have any reason to believe he was halucinating or anything of the like, given what was told about the story.




So it only reflects it once, hence an "imprint"? Because if it's continuously reflecting, how does the imprint not keep changing as grant moves?

I didn't need to elaborate if you actually read the 4 pages of the debunk. There is an example of the IR cam beeing shot straight into a mirror with the same effect only more clear because a mirror makes a more clear reflection.

But whatever. Continue to believe what the TV says. I'm not saying there aren't ghosts around or whatever, but i'm saying that this TV show will never ever be taken as serious proof or evidence of an afterlife. It is a highly suspect cleverly made docudrama and it's designed to make you believe and want more, down to every single word.

I suggest you read some more of what the skeptics say, because it will enlighten you in the major errors TAPS make (intentionally or non-intentionally) like measuring cold spots in thin air with thermometers designed to measure temperatures of solid objects.

Read the TAPS forums and all the skepticism dude, there are so many major things pointing this to entertaining docudrama and not serious documentary.

You're free to believe what you want, i said what i wanted to say. It just saddens me to see people get fooled by it, it's not by evil intentions i say this or to ridicule anyone or anything.

I've never stated that I believe them without doubt. I just don't see any reason to believe so far that when they catch an apparition, that it's not actually an apparition. Can you link me to the forums?




Science is biased against paranormal investigations in my opinion. So even if they did do it 100% correctly, there'd be something "wrong" with it to point out. Or it would just be ignored. Nothing new.

Sure :

http://taps18forum.com/ (the forum is new and updated, a while back the least skepticism or critique of the show was deleted/banned instantly, i guess they realised this was a tad extreme)

Enjoy it.

It's fine that you don't see a reason to be skeptic, but i do and that reason is money and fame (as always). Stay objective and open.

It was a refelection, if you have the TV show recorded go back and watch, you will see a button up shirt with a collar, either its a reflection or the ghost has good taste.



See my last post, he was infact wearing a button-up collar shirt at the time.



If it's a thermal camera, it doesnt need one the only light source is heat itself. Duh. And there would only need to be a mirror.



I just watched it again, and he wasnt moving.



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http://www.ultimatetechlinks.com/CrescentHotelAnalysis.html
One more comment addressing the "hot" number 2 on the image. If you look at the temp scale on the right of the image, while the camera is focused on the locker, it looks as though the scale is from about 83 degress at the top to 79-79 degrees at the bottom. The number 2 is white to red in color , which is at the top of the scale. The rest of the locker is shades of blue and green, which is in the center of the scale, which would be about a 2 degree difference with the white/red number 2. So the temp difference of the door and the 2 isn't very great, and the color difference might have been caused by some other souce, maybe the IR from your broadcast camera's light that you use to shoot in darkness, or maybe it was just the cameras having problems changing the scales since the thermal camera was always moving.
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So nice try to you, but you havent proved anything.

VH-1 is doing another reality series where they have psuedo celebrities doing the ghost hunting this time around. This might be interesting to watch!

Who ever said I didn't? I just don't have anything to complain about. All there is, is a TV show. I don't have enough data to make any skeptical claims, although I am skeptical as if they are doing it correctly, I have nothing to indicate anything specific.

No it was not in my opinion. Like I said ealier, that is completely subjective. It is no where clear enough to know anything for certain.



Doesn't look that way to me. I can't even make out any clothes at all. For all we know it's naked!



I was going to take you seriously and respect what you're saying up untill "Duh". You could have been a bit nicer about it. So, where is this mirror you speak of? Why did the image not move when grant moved? Even if it's an "imprint" shouldn't there be a new imprint as grant moves? Meaning if he walked out the room, the last movement that was reflected would be imprinted on the locker for some time.



How was he not moving? He was walking with the camera in hand, and you can undeniably see the camera move as he walks and catches a glimpse of the "figure". He wasn't standing perfectly still filming the locker without moving.




Nor have you. Also, I'm not exactly trying to prove anything. I'm simply being skeptical about the "debunk" at hand.

You can clearly see the button up shirt, atleast give me that. All I can say, is that there is far move evidence in my mind that debunk's this ghost instead of proving it.

That reflection is just as normal as the reflection you see everyday in the mirror. You can go point that IR cam at that locker any day and the "ghost" will be there, but only if you keep the temp scale low enough. (this means that you shouldn't put anything hot between the camera and the locker which is the very mistake TAPS make when they try to debunk it themselves.)

I'm being 100% honest, dude. I can't make out any shirt. It's not clear enough to make any conclusions.

And is anyone going to answer my question?

Why does this "imprinted reflection" not change when Grant moves? It should change accordingly.



So wait, are you saying that grant was between the camera and the locker? If so, you're wrong. Grant was the one filming with the camera.

I answered that question long ago. It seems that when we're using IR light it updates alot slower. You can see an example of this if you actually watched when TAPS go downthere again to try and recreate it. Also he is not moving, he is panning the camera with his forearm. The forearm is distorted because of the temperatures.

And again when i say he puts a hand between the camera and the locker, i'm talking about when TAPS go downthere themselves to debunk/recreate the scene and NOT this particular film clip.

The only reason we're discussing this is because people know little about IR light. (TAPS included, intentional or not i don't know)

These guys are actual investigators of the paranormal where everyone else just dismisses it as nonexistent. These guys are very credible and they have captured a LOT of unexplainable things on camera. Last week before the 3rd season premiere there was an episode of the top 20 freakiest pieces of evidence they had and one was the video of a shadow person in a lighthouse that was really freaky. The thing went up 2 flights of stairs in like a second and was leaning over the railing of the lighthouse staircase looking at them, freaky stuff. I don't think these guys fake any of the stuff they record because they try to disprove and debunk any piece of evidence they get first and foremost and even then they are still skeptical most of the time. The 2nd episode for the 3rd season is on tonight

Then why don't we see this kind of thing more often?

I don't know what it was that was filmed. As far as I can see, there is no logical explanation. But that doesn't mean it was a ghost. To me, it's simply unexplained.

2 reasons.

1. TAPS rarely/never shoot the thermal cam straight into reflective surfaces close up.

2. We rarely even see thermal cams used as a "scientific" way of tracking ghosts. Funny how the "ghost" is warmer than it's sorroundings though. I thought spirits were cold.

When they actually do shoot the cam into a mirror, it looks like this :

The pic on the left is our "ghost" on a poorly reflective surface, the right is shot into a mirror.



Well yeah if you refuse or fail to understand logical explanations then a whole bunch of stuff will appear unexplained.

Here is the link and gateway to enlightment once again : http://www.ultimatetechlinks.com/CrescentHotelAnalysis.html

Yeap they are very clever when it comes to hoaxing. Building up the trust slowly by appearing very legit and skeptical. A wolf in sheeps clothes. Old trick.

I actually also was a sucker for these guys untill i noticed some lazyness in their recreation and debunking.

1. In the prison episode with the running hooded figure they made the sloppy weirdo Brian do the debunk.

2. In that particular debunk they suddenly got hold of a black blanket in the perfect size for Brian to try and debunk it. They managed to do this in the middle of the night.

3. It's perfectly clear to see that the framerate has been tampered with and the figure is moving unhuman, so why even try to recreate it. Trust building i guess.

Well my radar said "FAKE ALERT" bigtime after watching that lazy and suspect debunk.

In tonights episode they debunked a thermal image that they captured. And Jason isn't convinced that the bed sheet moving was really a ghost. Looks like they're workin hard to decieve us.

Hehe, yeah seriously. I think that pretty much speaks for itself. Especially after watching the one where they were almost fooled by a prankster pulling down the bed sheets then pausing the video.

I still don't see it as a logical explaination at all. I've already pointed out why. One main reason is because the image caught on tape is open to interpratation, so you can't say for sure it looks like grant. A 2 he was moving while this "reflection" was not. And you siad only his forearm was moving, but actually he was walking and moved his forearm. Even just the movement of his forearm should change accordingly.


And this reflection looks as if it's standing to the side, looking to the right, while grant was FACING the reflection itself. And the "reflections" arms look like they were by it's side not moving at all or sticking out.


EDIT: Watched it again. Grant was looking in a different direction, then completey turned his body AND moved his arm quite a bit, yet this reflection stood still. It should be changing accordingly, but it's not.

And your comment about spirits being cold: The idea is that ghosts absorb energy(heat) to manifest, so the ghost itself would not be cold.


If you really want to be scientific(I talked about this in another thread), then one should prove an explaination is correct instead of calling it true because it's the most "logical". It should never be referred to as THE explaination, unless it meets the scientific standard and is proven.

If the reflection theory wasn't so farfetched, I'd accept it.

Reason I don't find ghosts as being farfetched is because I've experienced things, and so has people I know. And it IS evidence in my opinion. It's the same as looking under a microscope and seeing evidence of the existence of Atoms. Just in the case of ghosts, the evidence dissapears before you can show anyone else.

this was nice kinda reminded me of like the grudge or something