Taylor
Oct 10 2006, 09:27 PM
Ok, I went to a Privet school from Kindergarten, up to second grade. It was already October, and all of the kids were talking about where they would go trick -o- treating. My teachers flipped out. Since our school was a Christian school, everything was the Devil to them. They told all of the kids, that Halloween was the Devil's birthday, and that we should not even celebrate Halloween. The next day, our Principal gave this huge speech about how people will try to make us Devil worshipers and that, witches, demons, goblins, and ghosts are not real. Where do they get this stuff? Halloween is not about the devil. It's just a night that kids go trick -o- treating, and go get candy. Anyway, I was wondering what other people thought about this. I left that school in second grade. Big surprise.
Taylor
GrayTone
Oct 10 2006, 09:39 PM
Halloween started with ancient celtic tribes in Ireland and Scotland, something to do with the lord of the dead
Taylor
Oct 10 2006, 09:42 PM
Exactly.
_Nyx_
Oct 10 2006, 09:51 PM
Many experts believe the druids were the first to observe Halloween. Dating back to 700 B.C., they celebrated the festival of Samhain (the end of the harvest and a time to honor the dead) on November 1. In the ensuing years, the night before became known as the Eve of All Hallows, a.k.a. Hallow Even, a.k.a. Hallow e'en.
Taylor
Oct 10 2006, 09:53 PM
QUOTE(_Nyx_ @ Oct 10 2006, 09:51 PM) [snapback]1384842[/snapback]
Many experts believe the druids were the first to observe Halloween. Dating back to 700 B.C., they celebrated the festival of Samhain (the end of the harvest and a time to honor the dead) on November 1. In the ensuing years, the night before became known as the Eve of All Hallows, a.k.a. Hallow Even, a.k.a. Hallow e'en.
I read about that. It's very interesting. _Nyx_ I love your avvie. lol
Acenaspheru
Oct 10 2006, 09:56 PM

fanatical jerks trying to take te fun out of everything.
it is a pagen holliday, not a satanic one, and since the 1800s in america it's nothing more than a candy factory's dream come true.

it's my all time favorite holliday and i wish it was celebrated monthly!
MoonPrincess
Oct 10 2006, 10:14 PM
It's a kids holiday as I put it.
What a couple of wacko people. I love trick n' treating, I've always done that. It has nothing to do with The Devil himself. Except for the ghosts, demons, witches, etc return to the world of the living. That's what I was told.
Nyx is right about the Druids thing.
RollingThunder06
Oct 10 2006, 10:24 PM
I love Halloween. It doesn't the holiday's reputation though when people claim it is the one night of the year where the veil between this and the spirit world is the thinnest.
Bella-Angelique
Oct 10 2006, 10:25 PM
Lots of cultures have a fall festival to honor the dead or remember them.
I think trying to hide death away from everyone is its own type of dysfunctional thinking.
blu_shark_29
Oct 10 2006, 10:38 PM
I agree, Nyx and Bella. It's roots fall in the pagan line.
I was always told that it came from superstitious villagers who believed it was the one night the two worlds of the living and dead were open, and the costumes came from one of two things, the villager dressing up to scare the ghoulies away, or dressing up to blend in, either way, so that they were not visited by them.
I love halloween. I love scary movies and haunted houses. I love tastefully done costumes. I love carving pumpkins and roasting the seeds. I love smelling the bonfires and seeing the leaves on the trees.
Ahhhhhhhh
Halloween
Blu
Triad
Oct 11 2006, 12:20 AM
QUOTE
Samhain. All Hallows. All Hallow’s Eve. Hallow E’en. Halloween. The most magical night of the year. Exactly opposite Beltane on the wheel of the year, Halloween is Beltane’s dark twin. A night of glowing jack-o’-lanterns, bobbing for apples, tricks or treats, and dressing in costume. A night of ghost stories and séances, tarot card readings and scrying with mirrors. A night of power, when the veil that separates our world from the Otherworld is at its thinnest. A “spirit night”, as they say in Wales.
All Hallow’s Eve is the eve of All Hallow’s Day (November 1). And for once, even popular tradition remembers that the eve is more important than the day itself, the traditional celebration focusing on October 31, beginning at sundown. And this seems only fitting for the great Celtic New Year’s festival. Not that the holiday was Celtic only. In fact, it is startling how many ancient and unconnected cultures (the Egyptians and pre-Spanish Mexicans, for example) celebrated this as a festival of the dead. But the majority of our modern traditions can be traced to the British Isles.
http://www.ucc.ie/students/socs/fecc/samhain.htmlAny thoughts?
PS: when one researches the word devil its origins are relatable to the term "advocate," meaning someone who supported an opinion different from that of the status quo.
cubsfan7
Oct 11 2006, 01:23 AM
i asked a goth kid an he said it wasnt devil rooted...i agree with everyone else bout the pagen thing
SilverCougar
Oct 11 2006, 01:40 AM
Yes.. it's the celtic new years... yes it's a pagan sabbat...

And yes... I do celebrate Samhain.
Taylor
Oct 11 2006, 04:10 AM
Thanks for all of your posts. Most of the kids at that school, became very wierd after they went to that school. They all became, What my neighbor called them "Bible Thumpers."
Argen
Oct 11 2006, 04:28 AM
He's a little something for everyone.
QUOTE
Halloween Hysteria: Trick or Treating
Trick-or-treating, the practice of dressing up in costumes and begging door to door for goodies, is largely an American adaptation of European masquerades and the late medieval Christian practice of "souling," when poor folk would go door to door, receiving food in return for promises of prayers for the dead.* This was just one of many occasions for going door to door in a time when entertainments were in short supply. Dressing in scary costumes is another holdover from medieval times, when religious processions demonstrated to a largely illiterate population what fate awaited sinners thnrough the use of garish costumed demons and devils.
There is no evidence whatsover that Druids had any similar practice, and the notion that "the Irish Druids on the eve of Samhain burned their victims in the holy fire" is entirely fantastical. A Druid Samhain was probably most similar to Mexico's "Day of the Dead," and celebrated the descent of the god of light (Lugh) into the underworld. Another popular deity is reputed to have done the very same thing on a weekend in Jerusalem...
In early, Puritan America, Halloween was little more than gatherings of superstitious villagers. The general reluctance of folks to go outdoors gave many opportunities to vandals and pranksters, and another Halloween tradition was born. By the nineteenth century, Halloween was adopted more or less as an excuse for a party. By the end of the Great Depression, 'trick or treating' had evolved into a nightmare for shopkeepers, with vandals wreaking havoc on property, and many towns imposed curfews, which often just made things worse. Things eventually settled down as the economy improved, however, and Halloween became a popular time for adult fancy dress parties. During the war years, these parties were considered extravagant, and Halloween became the holiday we know today, a children's holiday with kids begging for treats door to door inj imitation of old fashioned tricks and treats. The 'trick' in trick or treat is a reference to the old vandals' cry.
*It was widely believed that such prayers lessened the term of punishment for souls in Purgatory, so trading a bit of cake to get Grandma to Heaven was a bit of a no-brainer
Source:
http://altreligion.about.com/
Cadetak
Oct 11 2006, 04:31 AM
Someone should have got a copyright on the holloween date....celtics, satan, pagans, christians, farmers....
Wolf MacCanine
Oct 11 2006, 05:12 AM
Hehehe...I call them "Bible Humpers".
All of the stuff about Hallowe'en posted by several others here on the forum are absolutely correct.
I still love how some Bible Humpers call "the Devil" by the name "Lucifer",not knowing that the original meaning of Lucifer is "Bringer of Light".
Mandaygo
Oct 11 2006, 05:23 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Halloween one of the many holidays that the Christian/Catholic ( I know they are different, but I am talking one and/or the other) religions converted? I am thinking it is called "All Saints Day" the day where you celebrate all the saints that don't have their own special day. If I am remembering correctly, it is neat how the same people who converted it to their own kind of thing, also call it the devil's birthday.
Something to think about.
DieChecker
Oct 11 2006, 05:35 AM
There are a lot of weird Christians out there. Most are just normal folks, but there is a fringe group that points everything at the Devil. I've heard of people who don't take medicine, dance or watch TV, for fear that the Devil will get them.
Some of my friends have fallen in with a small church that is heading that way. Instead of letting the kids go about the neighborhoods, playing with their friends, having fun and eating candy, they gather all together in their church building and hand out candy to the kids, while telling Bible stories. The kids are often told not to wear costumes. Sad, huh?
Cadetak
Oct 11 2006, 06:08 AM
I just want to dress up as Spider-Man...what religion do I have to be apart of to get away with that?
blu_shark_29
Oct 11 2006, 10:04 PM

Ah cad....in my opinion, you can dress up as Spiderman all the time, no matter the religion....ol' Web Head is my fav!
hetrodoxly
Oct 11 2006, 11:15 PM
QUOTE(420_toker @ Oct 10 2006, 10:39 PM) [snapback]1384829[/snapback]
Halloween started with ancient celtic tribes in Ireland and Scotland, something to do with the lord of the dead
What about England and wales, Scotland's a bit dubious though.
Taylor
Oct 12 2006, 12:44 AM
QUOTE(Wolf MacCanine @ Oct 11 2006, 05:12 AM) [snapback]1385298[/snapback]
Hehehe...I call them "Bible Humpers".
All of the stuff about Hallowe'en posted by several others here on the forum are absolutely correct.
I still love how some Bible Humpers call "the Devil" by the name "Lucifer",not knowing that the original meaning of Lucifer is "Bringer of Light".
I know it's funny huh? They annoyed my every time they would say, "You're not a satin worshiper are you?" Or, "Don't let people come into your life and try to make you believe in witches, demons, and ghosts." And look, I watch Ghost Hunters, I go Trick-o-Treating every year, I believe in all type of freaky phenomena. In your face you old principal! lol
fantaysa
Oct 12 2006, 04:59 AM
Well, to my knowledge Halloween is a pagan/wiccan "holiday" (here in australia it's not classed as a holiday
). It's suppse to celebrate and remember the people/animals that have died. In old times it was believed that the veil between the living and the dead is very thin. Where the hell did the devil get mixed up in it all
? But also, if you have noticed alot of other "Christian" holidays were originally pagan/wiccan sabbats and esabbats, just with a different name?
Wolf MacCanine
Oct 12 2006, 06:20 AM
All Saint's Day is originally "All Hallow's".
When the early Christian monks went to the British Isles,they attempted to convert everyone.One of the methods of doing so involved saying "Well,this is one of your holidays? We just happen to have a holiday held at the same time,involving some of the same things." In this way,they hoped to supplant *all* of the older pagan holidays in order to kill off the beliefs in the older religions.
They never fully managed to wipe out the old ways though.Instead,many of the population still followed the old ways while still paying "lip service" to the new invading religion.The Church even went so far as to adopt some of the pagan rituals into the normal church services,which did help attract more followers.
Much of what you see now in services performed by the more well-known religions like the Catholics and Christians have been borrowed from the older pagan religions.
Now,if you aren't sure about the true definitions,"pagan" means "country dweller" or "of the village".The word "religion" comes from "religare",which means "to bind together".
Pagan beliefs would be very similar in essence,but from village to village might be practiced slightly different.This gave the early Christian monks a lot of problems in their efforts to gain converts.
ohio tsunami
Oct 12 2006, 04:45 PM
QUOTE(DieChecker @ Oct 11 2006, 01:35 AM) [snapback]1385311[/snapback]
There are a lot of weird Christians out there. Most are just normal folks, but there is a fringe group that points everything at the Devil. I've heard of people who don't take medicine, dance or watch TV, for fear that the Devil will get them.
Baptists?
I think anything one looks at can be "the Devil". It's just propaganda people use to try and get the masses to convert to thier religious beliefs. IMO brainwashing is causing the troubles in organized religion today. You get someone who has charisma and people will follow. Combine with someone who is well versed in scripture and you get extremist views on religion. Anyways, just my 2 cents on the matter.
CaptRand
Oct 12 2006, 05:27 PM
QUOTE(Taylor @ Oct 10 2006, 09:27 PM) [snapback]1384813[/snapback]
Ok, I went to a Privet school from Kindergarten, up to second grade. It was already October, and all of the kids were talking about where they would go trick -o- treating. My teachers flipped out. Since our school was a Christian school, everything was the Devil to them. They told all of the kids, that Halloween was the Devil's birthday, and that we should not even celebrate Halloween. The next day, our Principal gave this huge speech about how people will try to make us Devil worshipers and that, witches, demons, goblins, and ghosts are not real. Where do they get this stuff? Halloween is not about the devil. It's just a night that kids go trick -o- treating, and go get candy. Anyway, I was wondering what other people thought about this. I left that school in second grade. Big surprise.
Taylor
Well my family is Christian and we always went trick or treating. Whatever it once was, all it is now is a night for kids to dress up and have fun. I still love it now that I get to hand out the candy, of course, I do wind up eating most of it.

I honestly don't know how any modern Christian can call Halloween satanic. It also when Turner Classic Movies shows all the great old horror movies.

Take Care
ult3rd1m3nsi0n
Oct 16 2006, 12:08 AM
Halloween is a kids holiday. Although the original intentions MIGHT have been devil worship, its not the kids go praying the devil while trick-o-treatin, am i right?
Cadetak
Oct 16 2006, 09:26 AM
QUOTE(ult3rd1m3nsi0n @ Oct 16 2006, 12:08 AM) [snapback]1391236[/snapback]
Halloween is a kids holiday. Although the original intentions MIGHT have been devil worship, its not the kids go praying the devil while trick-o-treatin, am i right?
No but they do dress up as the devil and demons, zombies, ghouls, etc. Which can all be considered to be linked to the devil. So it would be like wearing a Burger King uniform while working at McDonalds...or something. The kids may not be worshiping the devil but their symbolizing him.
Of course I don't believe in what I just said.
Shadow_Wolf
Oct 16 2006, 05:35 PM
Halloween/Samhain is just one of the pagan festivals totally misunderstood by brainwashed christians - even if their major festivals are all based on earlier pagan ones

I wonder how many christians will allow their children to dress up as ghosts/ghouls etc to mark Halloween - and so mark spirits of the dead? These same people will undoubtedly have a christmas tree in their home in a few weeks time - again pagan symbology marking the midwinter/yule festival.
The misguided and/or deliberate bigots who associate paganism with satanism need educating!
SilverCougar
Oct 16 2006, 06:04 PM
QUOTE(ult3rd1m3nsi0n @ Oct 16 2006, 12:08 AM) [snapback]1391236[/snapback]
Halloween is a kids holiday. Although the original intentions MIGHT have been devil worship, its not the kids go praying the devil while trick-o-treatin, am i right?
Halloween *NEVER* had anything to do with devil worship. It was a ancient celtic pagan festival that was essencialy New Years. They honoured their ancestors because they believed the veil between the mortal realm and the spirit realm was thin enough so that the spirits of past family members could visit. Part of the traditions is to leave a plate of food out for the visiting ancestor spirits so that they can join you for supper.
Pumpkins wern't the origonal things carved, it was turnips then later potatoes. And the reason for them scare of the evil spirits. Same with wearing scary costumes.
It was the celebration for the new year to come, and the last of the three harvest festivals. Not some satanic horror filled crap fest that it's been twisted into now.
zandore
Oct 16 2006, 06:11 PM
k-e
Oct 16 2006, 06:32 PM
QUOTE(Taylor @ Oct 11 2006, 05:27 AM) [snapback]1384813[/snapback]
They told all of the kids, that Halloween was the Devil's birthday, and that we should not even celebrate Halloween.
because they didn't have enough candy
sonofkrypton
Oct 16 2006, 06:59 PM
QUOTE(k-e @ Oct 16 2006, 07:32 PM) [snapback]1392315[/snapback]
because they didn't have enough candy
lmao there's also no christmas cos dad got laid off and we can't afford presents
Clarty
Nov 23 2006, 09:32 PM
Halloween dates back to the times of the Celts who were mainly pagans. It was not a time of fear - it was a time when Celts/pagans celebrated and respected their dead with feasts and bonfires and animal sacrifices.
bluelight
Nov 24 2006, 10:56 AM
gosh. isn't it against christianity to bully other religions?
but then against christianity teaching these days are hypocritical
avs76
Nov 24 2006, 12:48 PM
People are (correctly) making the assertion that Halloween is a Pagan tradition (which it is) and is not a Satan-worship thing (which it isn't). But you are standing on the wrong side of the fence, ie, from a non-Christian viewpoint. To Christians, anything like this IS Devil-worship, because it is un-Christian.
"He that is not with me is against me. He who doesn't gather with me scatters." (Luke 11:23). From a Christian viewpoint, people who dress up as ghouls and ghosts and celebrate this holiday are not carrying out Christian practices, hence it is of the Devil. And just to clarify, I am not a Christian. I am just playing Devil's advocate (so to speak).
Shaftsbury
Nov 24 2006, 06:14 PM
Christians can't even get the date of their "Christ's" birth correct, so I guess it should be no surprise that they try and fabricate the "devil's" birthday as well.
When is God's birthday anyway?
Gatofeo
Nov 25 2006, 05:42 PM
All this talk of Halloween has made me hungry. Hmmmmmm ... wonder if there's anything in the bag yet?
My knees are
still killing me from scrunching down on them in that costume, as I went door-to-door --- but the haul I made was worth it! <burp>
I don't follow any organized religion. I'm not a fan of the followers of Christ, though, because of their arrogant, rapacious ways for the past 2,000 years. I'm sure it's not anyt hing like their founder had in mind.
This reminds me of a T-shirt I used to see back in the 1970s:
JESUS IS COMING!
AND BOY, IS HE PISSED!
(pissed, in the American venacular, meaning "angry" and not "drunk" as it is used in the UK)
And yeah, I'll bet that if Jesus returned today he'd be furious at what's been done in His name. I know a few good Christians but most of them still hang onto that doctrine of, "MY way is the ONLY way!"
I just tell them, "Yeah, well, while you're trying to explain to St. Peter why you should be admitted, after the pride and arrogance you displayed down here, I'll be strolling through the gates because I didn't demand that everyone think like me."
Then I top it off with, "Judge not, lest you be judged."
Halloween may have its roots in non-Christianity but so what? I've known some nice Wiccans as well. I don't believe that the almighty judges you by what you think, but by what you did and how you treated others.
Unless those others were French ... then I suspect that the Great Cosmic Muffin would shrug His/Her/Its shoulders and say, "Oh well ... They're French .. they probably deserved it."
bluelight
Nov 26 2006, 02:56 AM
in this rate, I get the feeling the extremist Christians would have mark the return of Christ as an antichrist or satan himself. so I get the feeling them extremist people would kill Christ off again.
now that's really f**ked up!
Cadetak
Nov 26 2006, 09:59 AM
QUOTE(bluefenix211 @ Nov 26 2006, 02:56 AM) [snapback]1439102[/snapback]
in this rate, I get the feeling the extremist Christians would have mark the return of Christ as an antichrist or satan himself. so I get the feeling them extremist people would kill Christ off again.
now that's really f**ked up!

It would probobly happen...most likely even.
metalkannibal
Nov 30 2006, 01:16 AM
Everyone listen,Halloween, or The Hallowed Evening was a Celtic Druid Holiday/celebration. It was later adopted by Wiccans and Occultist and even later by Satanists. Trick-or-Treat is on the same night, BUT it is just kids dressing up as someone else (usually not someone scary) knocking on doors or ringing the door bell to get candy. The only children who shouldn't like trick or treat are parents concerned about their children getting cavities.
avs76
Dec 3 2006, 03:04 PM
QUOTE(metalkannibal @ Nov 30 2006, 11:16 AM) [snapback]1444088[/snapback]
Everyone listen,Halloween, or The Hallowed Evening was a Celtic Druid Holiday/celebration. It was later adopted by Wiccans and Occultist and even later by Satanists. Trick-or-Treat is on the same night, BUT it is just kids dressing up as someone else (usually not someone scary) knocking on doors or ringing the door bell to get candy. The only children who shouldn't like trick or treat are parents concerned about their children getting cavities.
Yeh mk, we get it. You are preaching to the converted here. But what I was saying was that from a Christian viewpoint, it is of the Devil/Satanic. Think of it this way: imagine kids going around the neighbourhood on September 11 every year with toy bombs/explosives strapped to their bodies. Would most Americans find that offensive to their belief system? You bet! They wouldn't understand why someone would do this.
Same for Christians. I bet many of them find it inexplicable that people would want to dress as supernatural (i.e. hellish) creatures for fun. Frankly I do too, but I was not raised in North America so it's not part of my upbringing. I am just presenting another perspective as to why people would have a problem with the practice of Halloween festivities.
Shadow_Wolf
Dec 3 2006, 04:22 PM
QUOTE(avs76 @ Dec 3 2006, 03:04 PM) [snapback]1448222[/snapback]
Yeh mk, we get it. You are preaching to the converted here. But what I was saying was that from a Christian viewpoint, it is of the Devil/Satanic. Think of it this way: imagine kids going around the neighbourhood on September 11 every year with toy bombs/explosives strapped to their bodies. Would most Americans find that offensive to their belief system? You bet! They wouldn't understand why someone would do this.
Yet curiously the British celebrate the attempt by Guy Fawkes (and others) to blow up Parliament - 'celebrated' increasingly with fireworks that make the country resemble a war zone!
BTW - why do American posters here think that the Druids are the basis for all ancient beliefs and symbology in Britian? The Druids arrived in Britain with the Celts, and so are predated by 'native' pagan beliefs and religions by a few thousand years.
avs76
Dec 3 2006, 05:38 PM
QUOTE(Shadow_Wolf @ Dec 4 2006, 02:22 AM) [snapback]1448251[/snapback]
BTW - why do American posters here think that the Druids are the basis for all ancient beliefs and symbology in Britian? The Druids arrived in Britain with the Celts, and so are predated by 'native' pagan beliefs and religions by a few thousand years.
Really? I did not know that. Thanks for the info, I will check it out!
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