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crystal sage
There is a technology available suitably called the Terminator technology, which is designed to genetically switch off a plant's ability to germinate a second time.

"A half-century after the Bengal famine [where, during British colonial rule, most of the food grown was exported for trade and for UK, instead of feeding hungry local people], a new and clever system has been put in place which is once again making the theft of the harvest a right and the keeping of harvest a crime. Hidden behind complex free-trade treaties are innovative ways to steal nature's harvest, the harvest of the seed, and the harvest of nutrition."

-- Vandana Shiva, Stolen Harvest (South End Press, 2000), p.6



http://www.globalissues.org/EnvIssues/GEFood/Terminator.asp



http://www.banterminator.org/

http://www.ratical.org/co-globalize/terminator.html



"What is the purpose of switching off seed germination?Many believe it is purely a business idea by forcing farmers to buy a fresh supply of seeds each year -- many of whom are in the developing world and cannot afford to do this.

The traditional practice (tried and tested for thousands of years) of saving seeds for the next harvest comes under threat due to a US patent on this technology to prevent "unauthorized seed-saving" by farmers.

Supporters of the terminator, or suicide, technology believe that the idea of it is for the protection of corporations from unscrupulous farmers. Control of seed germination helps prevent growers from pirating their technology. If crops remain fertile, there is a chance that farmers could use any saved transgenic seed from a previous season. This would result in poorer profits for companies."
crystal sage
Crouch explained that companies like Monsanto, who invest heavily in biotechnology and are finally beginning to show a profit for their efforts, are aggressively protecting their patented seeds. Right now companies are asking farmers to voluntarily comply with pleas not to reuse seed, but with the Terminator technology, "In the future, companies and government breeders...may not have to ask for such compliance. If the procedure outlined in (the) recent (Terminator seed) patent comes to fruition and is widely used, plant variety protection will be biologically built into the plants themselves."

Crouch also questions the effects the toxins used in Terminator seeds might have on humans, animals, and ecosystems. The authors of the patent itself said, "In cotton that would be grown commercially only selected lethal genes could be used, since these proteins could impact the final quality of seeds...If the seed is not a factor in the commercial value of a crop (e.g., in forage crops, ornamentals, or plants grown for the floral industry) any lethal gene should be acceptable."

"She called that "dangerously reductionist thinking," and explained that "people are not the only organisms that interact with seeds." The Indiana University biologist pointed out that treated forage crops -- left behind after harvest -- may affect birds, insects, fungi, and bacteria "that eat or infect the seeds." Treated forage crops that are left in a field will obviously come in contact with the soil, thereby potentially damaging the ecology of soil organisms which are so essential for the growth of plants and crops.

"Further, a floral or ornamental crop with Terminator may happen to grow near a related crop where the seeds are used, and if pollination occurs, the seeds will contain toxin without the farmer knowing," she said. "The toxin could end up in products without anyone's knowledge," and if the effects of such toxins are not fully realized, that could have dramatic effects throughout the food chain.

Crouch is also skeptical of the portion of the patented process that calls for treating all Terminator seeds with the antibiotic tetracycline. She said that Terminator seed companies would have to use an inordinate amount of the antibiotic -- which is used to help cause the Terminator reaction -- to soak every seed. "

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=15132
crystal sage
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...;articleId=3082

Monsanto Buys ‘Terminator’ Seeds Company


by F. William Engdahl



The United States Government has been financing research on a genetic engineering technology which, when commercialized, will give its owners the power to control the food seed of entire nations or regions. The Government has been working quietly on this technology since 1983. Now, the little-known company that has been working in this genetic research with the Government’s US Department of Agriculture-- Delta & Pine Land-- is about to become part of the world’s largest supplier of patented genetically-modified seeds (GMO), Monsanto Corporation of St. Louis, Missouri.

crystal sage
http://www.safe-food.org/-news/1998-09-01.html

PRESS RELEASE Weds. 12th August 1998

Research Highlights Risk of using Viral Promoter Genes in New Foods

Fragments of artificial genes inserted into foods were detected in the brain cells of baby mice in research conducted Dr. Walter Doefler of the Institute of Genetics, University of Cologne. (Ref: Journal of molecular genetics and genetics Vol 242: 495-504, 1994.) Conventional wisdom had previously assumed that genetic material was destroyed in the process of digestion. The research emerged on the UTV World in Action programme last Monday.

"This has huge implications for the use of genetically engineered foods" said Quentin Gargan of Genetic Concern. "Industry would have us believe that genetic engineering is a simple technology in which a single naturally occurring gene is taken from one plant and inserted into another, but nothing could be further from the truth".

We may have a gene which gives us blue eyes, and this gene exists in every cell in our body - part of this gene is a promoter region which ensures that it is only switched on in cells in our eyes - otherwise, every part of our body would be blue from our hair to our toenails.

When artificial genes are inserted into a plant, they are accompanied by a promoter region from a virus. This promoter ensures that the gene is switched on at all times and in all parts of the plant. Viruses such as the cauliflower mosaic virus and a figwort virus have promoter regions which are highly active, and these are included in genes which were inserted into the sugar beet currently being tested in field trials by Monsanto around the country.

"The idea that fragments of DNA from viral promoters could find their way into cells of new born babies is a frightening prospect", said Quentin Gargan of Genetic Concern "yet Monsanto admitted in the World in Action programme that they do not conduct long term testing of these genetically engineered foods"....

"Once again, we hear regulatory authorities assuring us that there is no scientific evidence that genetically modified foods are unsafe - this was exactly the situation with BSE, DDT, Thalidomide and many other calamities" said Mr Gargan "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and with something irreversible such as genetic engineering, we must learn from past mistakes and take a very cautious approach"

Atheist God
Genetically modified foods are the future. Almost everything grown in farmers fields now have been genetically modified or enhanced in some way.

I mean of course genetic engineering isn't as simple as putting genes from one plant into another. I personally do not see why people are so opposed to genetically modified foods.

crystal sage
QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Oct 17 2006, 09:47 AM) [snapback]1392950[/snapback]

Genetically modified foods are the future. Almost everything grown in farmers fields now have been genetically modified or enhanced in some way.

I mean of course genetic engineering isn't as simple as putting genes from one plant into another. I personally do not see why people are so opposed to genetically modified foods.

"The idea that fragments of DNA from viral promoters could find their way into cells of new born babies is a frightening prospect", said Quentin Gargan of Genetic Concern "yet Monsanto admitted in the World in Action programme that they do not conduct long term testing of these genetically engineered foods"....

Further, a floral or ornamental crop with Terminator may happen to grow near a related crop where the seeds are used, and if pollination occurs, the seeds will contain toxin without the farmer knowing," she said. "The toxin could end up in products without anyone's knowledge," and if the effects of such toxins are not fully realized, that could have dramatic effects throughout the food chain.
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As well as the unknown.. untested obvious side affects...( we are what we eat...all foods affect us biochemically...as well as nutritionally...they..genetically altered foods are our energy source for building and replacing damaged cells in our bodies)

also if genetically altered terminater seed cross pollinate with our other food sources...grasses...bushlands...forrests...jungles....all flora and forna could eventually die out.... a vast wordwide desert...another Mars!!!!!

This is pretty obvious don't you think... look how all things on earth seem to naturally mutate.. evolve...viruses..plants .insects .. all things.,.. add a terminater gene to it... one that hinders regeneration....of forrests etc.... and maybe fertility ..guess how the earth may look in a hundred years???

Atheist God
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"The idea that fragments of DNA from viral promoters could find their way into cells of new born babies is a frightening prospect", said Quentin Gargan of Genetic Concern "yet Monsanto admitted in the World in Action programme that they do not conduct long term testing of these genetically engineered foods"....

Fragmented DNA and viral promoters should realistically cause no harm to human beings though. Now a whole virus may infact be harmful or lethal. The questions people should ask is will it be any more harmful then what is grown now. When you take a look at the list of chemicals used for pesticides and herbicides used in crops now it is by far more frightening then something the averag person knows nothing about. Just because long term testing has not been conducted yet doesn't mean genetically enhanced and engineered plants are unsafe. A virus as a whole is more of a concern to me not fragments of DNA.

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Further, a floral or ornamental crop with Terminator may happen to grow near a related crop where the seeds are used, and if pollination occurs, the seeds will contain toxin without the farmer knowing," she said. "The toxin could end up in products without anyone's knowledge," and if the effects of such toxins are not fully realized, that could have dramatic effects throughout the food chain.
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There are potential solutions to this as well. Again there are more toxins in what we eat now. Then what there would be if we used genetically modified crops resistant to weeds and predators. Genetically engineering crops may rid our need to use pesticides and herbicides.

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As well as the unknown.. untested obvious side affects...( we are what we eat...all foods affect us biochemically...as well as nutritionally...they..genetically altered foods are our energy source for building and replacing damaged cells in our bodies)

What side effects...
If no real tests have been conducted for the long term how do we know there will be side effects. Genetically altered grains are already being grown everywhere.

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also if genetically altered terminater seed cross pollinate with our other food sources...grasses...bushlands...forrests...jungles....all flora and forna could eventually die out.... a vast wordwide desert...another Mars!!!!!

I doubt corn will breed with wheat....
This scenario is so unlikely that i would rule it an impossibility.

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This is pretty obvious don't you think... look how all things on earth seem to naturally mutate.. evolve...viruses..plants .insects .. all things.,.. add a terminater gene to it... one that hinders regeneration....of forrests etc.... and maybe fertility ..guess how the earth may look in a hundred years???


As someone who does work in this field I will tell you that this is an impossibility. Genetically altering crops will not destroy the planet. This is just the paranoia talking....

crystal sage
http://www.thiele-und-thiele-consult.de/publications_us.htm

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Is the socalled "green" biotechnology or "Agri" Genetic engineering the most severe regression in animal - and plant breeding which ever occured in history?

pro-agro-biotech lobbyists assume agro-biotechnology may be able to cure poverty and hunger in the world. But it is a truism that crops modified by agro-biotechnology increase poverty and hunger, contaminates environment and the spread of crops modified by biotechnology trigger off an increase of prices for non contaminated food.

Which insurance is able to calculate the costs of possible recall actions for genetically "contaminated" goods or final consequences for environment and consumers?

Expertise on health hazards of pesticides and Agro-genetic engineering not only in the beekeeping sector. What are the severe negative side effects of this socalled dayfly-technology? If you don't want to believe only in deceptive statements of TransGen or ISAAA (international biotech organisation, sponsored for instance by Biotech-companies like Monsanto, Bayer crop science and socalled "development aid" organisations like GTZ, USAID) this book is a must.

Editorial feature themes are for instance: Health hazards of crops modified by biotechnology on honeybees. The conditions of the bees became over decades treated so unnatural, that it's immune system and "blood system" is debilitated; Parasites, viruses etc. are only the symptoms. Not only newer investigations from Germany have turned out, how important determined, from the bees themselves produced substances and structures are for the communication in the colony. Is the colony being disturbed, while it is being forced to get along with new and unnatural substances, it never had selected itself (for example. Plastic combs), or comes in contact with it (special pesticides, pollen from crops modified by biotechnology), thus this can not only lead to communication - disorders within the colony, but causes by that also till now unexplainable phenomena. Because, if the communication is disturbed, the nectar - and pollen foragers can not decipher that "bee language" in the hive anymore, or too less foragers react on the bee dances (which show up the distance and quality of the feed source), thus too less nutritious pollen resp. nectar is going to be collected and the colony dies by starvation.

Title: "Agro-Biotechnology - The most severe Regression in animal and plant breeding which ever occured in history? Risk assessment and riskiness of Pesticides and genetically engineered plants and animals"
Author: T+T Consultants for assessment of environmental impact of Agro-Biotechnology and science publicists
Edition: revisited 2006
Code:l-A-001 "
pickles


When artificial genes are inserted into a plant, they are accompanied by a promoter region from a virus. This promoter ensures that the gene is switched on at all times and in all parts of the plant. Viruses such as the cauliflower mosaic virus and a figwort virus have promoter regions which are highly active, and these are included in genes which were inserted into the sugar beet currently being tested in field trials by Monsanto around the country.

"The idea that fragments of DNA from viral promoters could find their way into cells of new born babies is a frightening prospect", said Quentin Gargan of Genetic Concern "yet Monsanto admitted in the World in Action programme that they do not conduct long term testing of these genetically engineered foods"....

"Once again, we hear regulatory authorities assuring us that there is no scientific evidence that genetically modified foods are unsafe - this was exactly the situation with BSE, DDT, Thalidomide and many other calamities" said Mr Gargan "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and with something irreversible such as genetic engineering, we must learn from past mistakes and take a very cautious approach"
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wow, do you know exactly where they inject the genes or viruses into the plant, do you think this could perfect foods. for example a orange contains 50 percent vitamin c , would it possibly now be 75 or 100 % ? just a thought>.
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crystal sage
QUOTE(pickles @ Feb 19 2007, 01:46 PM) [snapback]1548917[/snapback]
When artificial genes are inserted into a plant, they are accompanied by a promoter region from a virus. This promoter ensures that the gene is switched on at all times and in all parts of the plant. Viruses such as the cauliflower mosaic virus and a figwort virus have promoter regions which are highly active, and these are included in genes which were inserted into the sugar beet currently being tested in field trials by Monsanto around the country.

"The idea that fragments of DNA from viral promoters could find their way into cells of new born babies is a frightening prospect", said Quentin Gargan of Genetic Concern "yet Monsanto admitted in the World in Action programme that they do not conduct long term testing of these genetically engineered foods"....

"Once again, we hear regulatory authorities assuring us that there is no scientific evidence that genetically modified foods are unsafe - this was exactly the situation with BSE, DDT, Thalidomide and many other calamities" said Mr Gargan "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and with something irreversible such as genetic engineering, we must learn from past mistakes and take a very cautious approach"


wow, do you know exactly where they inject the genes or viruses into the plant, do you think this could perfect foods. for example a orange contains 50 percent vitamin c , would it possibly now be 75 or 100 % ? just a thought>.
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http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Feb11/0,4...ingBees,00.html


A mysterious illness is killing tens of thousands of honeybee colonies across the country, threatening honey production, the livelihood of beekeepers and possibly crops that need bees for pollination.
crystal sage
http://earthsave.org/ge.htm mad.gif

"Even organic food is threatened. Some 87,000 bags of organic corn chips manufactured by Wisconsin-based Terra Prima had to be destroyed when a Dutch importer discovered genetic contamination that had apparently blown over via pollen from a nearby GA plot in Texas where the corn was grown.

In some of the most publicized American research to date, Cornell University scientists reported recently that 44% of monarch butterfly larvae died within four days when fed milkweed (their exclusive food) that had been dusted with pollen from GA corn, while all the caterpillars fed normal corn pollen survived.18 British research has shown that beneficial insects such as ladybugs and lacewings are negatively affected by feeding on GA crops, which are supposed to only affect 'target' insect predators.19,20 Study has begun on the effects on the rest of the food chain, as birds and other wildlife then feed on these insects that have consumed the GA crops. Fear of his has led English Nature (the British Government's wildlife advisor) to warn that the introduction of GA herbicide tolerant crops "could be the final blow for species like the skylark, the linnet and the corn bunting."21

As these novel organisms enter and gradually saturate the biosphere, there is grave concern for the effect on soil microorganisms upon which many other organisms depend.22 When applied externally, Bt remains active only a few days in the environment. However, when engineered into the genetic structure of the plant, a recent study found it to be active in the nearby soil at least eight months later.23 Bt toxins are engineered into a wide range of transgenic plants already released into the environment and this build-up in the soil may have a devastating influence on pollinators and other beneficial insects.24"
Alexs
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Oct 16 2006, 09:21 PM) [snapback]1392627[/snapback]
http://www.safe-food.org/-news/1998-09-01.html

PRESS RELEASE Weds. 12th August 1998

Research Highlights Risk of using Viral Promoter Genes in New Foods

Fragments of artificial genes inserted into foods were detected in the brain cells of baby mice in research conducted Dr. Walter Doefler of the Institute of Genetics, University of Cologne. (Ref: Journal of molecular genetics and genetics Vol 242: 495-504, 1994.) Conventional wisdom had previously assumed that genetic material was destroyed in the process of digestion. The research emerged on the UTV World in Action programme last Monday.

"This has huge implications for the use of genetically engineered foods" said Quentin Gargan of Genetic Concern. "Industry would have us believe that genetic engineering is a simple technology in which a single naturally occurring gene is taken from one plant and inserted into another, but nothing could be further from the truth".

We may have a gene which gives us blue eyes, and this gene exists in every cell in our body - part of this gene is a promoter region which ensures that it is only switched on in cells in our eyes - otherwise, every part of our body would be blue from our hair to our toenails.

When artificial genes are inserted into a plant, they are accompanied by a promoter region from a virus. This promoter ensures that the gene is switched on at all times and in all parts of the plant. Viruses such as the cauliflower mosaic virus and a figwort virus have promoter regions which are highly active, and these are included in genes which were inserted into the sugar beet currently being tested in field trials by Monsanto around the country.

"The idea that fragments of DNA from viral promoters could find their way into cells of new born babies is a frightening prospect", said Quentin Gargan of Genetic Concern "yet Monsanto admitted in the World in Action programme that they do not conduct long term testing of these genetically engineered foods"....

"Once again, we hear regulatory authorities assuring us that there is no scientific evidence that genetically modified foods are unsafe - this was exactly the situation with BSE, DDT, Thalidomide and many other calamities" said Mr Gargan "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and with something irreversible such as genetic engineering, we must learn from past mistakes and take a very cautious approach"

Research Highlights Risk of using Viral Promoter Genes in New Foods Prescription drugs We may have a gene which gives us blue eyes, and this gene exists in every cell in our body - part of this gene is a promoter region which ensures that it is only switched on in cells in our eyes - otherwise, every part of our body would be blue from our hair to our toenails.
crystal sage
QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Oct 18 2006, 04:07 PM) [snapback]1394620[/snapback]
Fragmented DNA and viral promoters should realistically cause no harm to human beings though. Now a whole virus may infact be harmful or lethal. The questions people should ask is will it be any more harmful then what is grown now. When you take a look at the list of chemicals used for pesticides and herbicides used in crops now it is by far more frightening then something the averag person knows nothing about. Just because long term testing has not been conducted yet doesn't mean genetically enhanced and engineered plants are unsafe. A virus as a whole is more of a concern to me not fragments of DNA.
There are potential solutions to this as well. Again there are more toxins in what we eat now. Then what there would be if we used genetically modified crops resistant to weeds and predators. Genetically engineering crops may rid our need to use pesticides and herbicides.
What side effects...
If no real tests have been conducted for the long term how do we know there will be side effects. Genetically altered grains are already being grown everywhere.
I doubt corn will breed with wheat....
This scenario is so unlikely that i would rule it an impossibility.
As someone who does work in this field I will tell you that this is an impossibility. Genetically altering crops will not destroy the planet. This is just the paranoia talking....





Maybe, as you say you are in the field... the idea of playing 'God' with nature, has blinded you to what I see as common logic..
a+ b=c.
.... if it repells..kills off insects etc found in nature...that has a more simplified digestive.. immunosystem than ours.... WE... also a product of nature... will be eventually effected!!!!


http://canadianlabour.ca/index.php/genetic_foods

"Why should we be concerned about GE foods?

GE products threaten human health, the environment, bio diversity and the global ecosystem.

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everyone is at risk from GE foods because they are pervasive and unlabelled: we do not know what we are eating;
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because these products are not labeled, there is no way scientifically to assess their impacts on human health or the environment, or to recall a faulty crop;
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there are no scientific controls onthe introduction of GE foods in Canada;
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tests on GE products are kept secret by the GE giants; there is no long-term testing for effects such as cancer, reproductive damage or harm to the ecosystem;
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lack of testing and denial of the evidence allows the GE giants to claim fraudulently that GE foods are “substantially equivalent” to

natural foods and therefore need no controls and no labeling; and
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GE foods threaten the livelihoods of plant breeders and farmers through patent law; also the conflict between corporate

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control of the entire agricultural chain on one side and, on the other, consumer resistance to GE food.

The hazzards of GE foods

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GE foods may have allergenic, toxic or even carcinogenic effects;
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there is clear evidence that GE foods cause harm to animals; e.g., rats tested suffered from organ damage and depressed immune systems; in one study, Monarch butterflies, degenerated and died after exposure to GE pollen;
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transgenes can spread to related weed species, creating “Superweeds,” which may be impossible to eradicate;
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creation of dangerous new bacteria and viruses;antibiotic resistance in human systems and the environment;

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genetic pollution, once released, can never be reversed, as it is self-replicating;"


Why would 80% of the Europeans be against genetically altered food...????
Are they party to more information than the average American.... Australian???

Remember they were into recycling... being ecofriendly at least a decade before us...

they are anti Microwaves...teflon...

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/teflon...icals_20060203/

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=...ass=3&all=1
http://www.cam.net.uk/home/aaa315/healing/microwaves.htm
http://www.relfe.com/microwave.html


http://www.netlink.de/gen/
davesam
very interesting......
undersquiggle
Crystal sage has a point. the GE food should be labeled. my friend can't eat tomatoes anymore because he is deathly allergic to fish. the Arctic Flounder DNA in some tomatoes has nearly killed him a few times, so now he doesn't eat tomatoes. i think that they should definitely be labeled, but other than that i don't see the problem. i mean, most of them produce more fruit, are harder to kill, aren't as harmed by weeds, and some are even made IMMUNE to the bugs that might kill them. The potatoe beetle is a problem in Idaho, America. some of the farmers down there bought GE potatoe plants that have a thicker skin, and have longer than normal hairs coming off the stem and leaves of the plant. this means that bugs cant bite the plant to eat it, and as a result more are being produced each year. more food means less hunger, which is a world problem. anyone who is outright totally against GE crops is in my mind, being a little selfish. some of these 3rd world countries NEED these more resistant crops so they can assure they actually eat every day. i think thats a good idea in the long run.
Atheist God
QUOTE(undersquiggle @ Mar 2 2007, 08:00 AM) [snapback]1564799[/snapback]
Crystal sage has a point. the GE food should be labeled. my friend can't eat tomatoes anymore because he is deathly allergic to fish. the Arctic Flounder DNA in some tomatoes has nearly killed him a few times, so now he doesn't eat tomatoes. i think that they should definitely be labeled, but other than that i don't see the problem. i mean, most of them produce more fruit, are harder to kill, aren't as harmed by weeds, and some are even made IMMUNE to the bugs that might kill them. The potatoe beetle is a problem in Idaho, America. some of the farmers down there bought GE potatoe plants that have a thicker skin, and have longer than normal hairs coming off the stem and leaves of the plant. this means that bugs cant bite the plant to eat it, and as a result more are being produced each year. more food means less hunger, which is a world problem. anyone who is outright totally against GE crops is in my mind, being a little selfish. some of these 3rd world countries NEED these more resistant crops so they can assure they actually eat every day. i think thats a good idea in the long run.


GE foods have way more benefits then not, the problem is people fear what they don't understand. For example many people are scarred of the idea of cloning livestock and eating cloned meat which in reality is no different then non-cloned meat.
One major problem effecting traditional crops is climate change. In nations like Africa for example food is becomming harder to grow due to desertification. Why not genetically engineer crops to be able to survive on very little water etc.

crystal sage
QUOTE(undersquiggle @ Mar 3 2007, 01:00 AM) [snapback]1564799[/snapback]
Crystal sage has a point. the GE food should be labeled. my friend can't eat tomatoes anymore because he is deathly allergic to fish. the Arctic Flounder DNA in some tomatoes has nearly killed him a few times, so now he doesn't eat tomatoes. i think that they should definitely be labeled, but other than that i don't see the problem. i mean, most of them produce more fruit, are harder to kill, aren't as harmed by weeds, and some are even made IMMUNE to the bugs that might kill them. The potatoe beetle is a problem in Idaho, America. some of the farmers down there bought GE potatoe plants that have a thicker skin, and have longer than normal hairs coming off the stem and leaves of the plant. this means that bugs cant bite the plant to eat it, and as a result more are being produced each year. more food means less hunger, which is a world problem. anyone who is outright totally against GE crops is in my mind, being a little selfish. some of these 3rd world countries NEED these more resistant crops so they can assure they actually eat every day. i think thats a good idea in the long run.



and need to import camels.... and use the knowlege of other dry countries for importing more appropriat plants etc that are drought resistant and are natural to these environments......

But remember how when westerners imported foxes and rabbits to Australia a couple hundreds of years ago...and how that affected the rest of the natural environment... there were plagues...and lots of other problems...

I don't know whether assisting evelution to such an extent is a good idea!!! after all nature has been doing it successfully ( mutating to accomodate changing environments)for billions of years.. and we... smart alecs... are so new to the game ...that I'm sure we are not aware of all the rules... the first being... first do no harm... patience....playing God...and directing evolution is irreversable....!!!

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5..._to_reduce.html
undersquiggle
at least they had a lot of meat to eat after the rabbits and foxes took over their country. As for importing plants, if there is a massive GE wheat outbreak in ethiopia(sp?) im pretty sure that they would be pretty happy about it.
crystal sage
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http://www.wanttoknow.info/gmoinyourfood

"In a study in the early 1990’s rats were fed genetically modified (GM) tomatoes. Well actually, the rats refused to eat them. They were force-fed. Several of the rats developed stomach lesions and seven out of forty died within two weeks. Scientists at the FDA who reviewed the study agreed that it did not provide a “demonstration of reasonable certainty of no harm.” In fact, agency scientists warned that GM foods in general might create unpredicted allergies, toxins, antibiotic resistant diseases, and nutritional problems. Internal FDA memos made public from a lawsuit reveal that the scientists urged their superiors to require long-term safety testing to catch these hard-to-detect side effects.

But FDA political appointees, including a former attorney for Monsanto in charge of policy, ignored the scientists’ warnings. The FDA does not require safety studies. Instead, if the makers of the GM foods claim that they are safe, the agency has no further questions. The above-mentioned GM tomato was approved in 1994.

The safety studies conducted by the biotech industry are often dismissed by critics as superficial and designed to avoid finding problems. Tragically, scientists who voice their criticism, and those who have discovered incriminating evidence, have been threatened, stripped of responsibilities, denied funding or tenure, or fired. For example, a UK government-funded study demonstrated that rats fed a GM potato developed potentially pre-cancerous cell growth, damaged immune systems, partial atrophy of the liver, and inhibited development of their brains, livers and testicles. When the lead scientist went public with his concerns, he was promptly fired from his job after 35 years, and silenced with threats of a lawsuit.

Americans eat genetically modified foods everyday. Although the GM tomato has been taken off the market, millions of acres of soy, corn, canola, and cotton have had foreign genes inserted into their DNA. The new genes allow the crops to survive applications of herbicide, create their own pesticide, or both. While there are only a handful of published animal safety studies, mounting evidence, which needs to be followed up, suggests that these foods are not safe.

Rats fed GM corn had problems with blood cell formation. Those fed GM soy had problems with liver cell formation, and the livers of rats fed GM canola were heavier. Pigs fed GM corn on several Midwest farms developed false pregnancies or sterility. Cows fed GM corn in Germany died mysteriously. And twice the number of chickens died when fed GM corn compared to those fed natural corn. "

http://www.psrast.org/subeqow.htm

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An example of fatal "substantial equivalence"

The Japanese company Showa Denko engineered the genes of a microorganism to produce tryptophan at high levels. There are strong reasons to believe tha this genetic manipulations also led to the production of trace quantities of an unexpected substance.

This substance was highly toxic, killing 37 people and causing severe suffering with chronic pain and disability to 1500 more.

The organism was "substantially equivalent" with the parental organism, and the product was "substantially equivalent", yes it appeared identical to other tryptophan products according to the kind of superficial testing that is considered sufficient in this safety assessment procedure. Although the organism was "sustantially equivalent" to an unusual extent compared to most cases of GE food organisms, it produced an unexpected toxic substance.

This was not discovered because the approval procedure based on the principle of substantial equivalence does not require the search for unexpected toxins when the organism is "substantially equivalent" so even a deadly toxin can pass undetected."


http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article....mp;sectionID=13

"[Excerpt From 'Don't Worry It Is Safe To Eat - The True Story Of GM Food, BSE, And Foot And Mouth' By Andrew Rowell]

As the UK government continues to wriggle over weapons of mass destruction, of sexing up dossiers and general spin, Tony Blair argues that there is no greater charge against a prime minister than for him to have personally falsified claims on which to take a country to war.

That may be so, but another grave charge would be personally ordering the sacking of a scientist who was involved in some of the first independent tests on GM, especially if those tests showed evidence of harm, and also especially if the orders came from Monsanto, via the White House. This is what Dr. Arpad Pusztai, who raised concerns about GM food in 1998, claims happened to him.

Part of the recent argument between the BBC and the government concern the claims by a single unnamed intelligence source that the government "sexed"
up one of the dossiers on Iraq. In contrast five people have said that they were told that Tony Blair ordered the sacking of Dr. Pusztai. Here is Dr.
Pusztai's story. It raises many unanswered questions about new Labour, its link to the biotech industry and the safety of GM food.
......."
crystal sage
http://www.wanttoknow.info/deception10pg

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Praise for the Book Seeds of Deception

“Outrageous! That’s what you’ll say over and over again when you read how the biotechnology companies have manipulated the government, our food, and the media, and put an entire generation at risk.
- Ben Cohen, Co-Founder, Ben & Jerry’s

“Clear, profound, and unerringly accurate, Seeds of Deception tells you what you need to know about genetically engineered food — and what Monsanto won't tell you. If you care about the safety of our food supply, if you care what corporations are doing to your food and health, this is the book to get.”
- John Robbins, author, The Food Revolution, and Diet For A New America"


http://www.ejnf.org.za/food_security.htm



Those who would feed the World; A potted history of Monsanto.



Monsanto as a chemical company produced DDT, Dioxins, PCBs, agent Orange (a herbicide), amongst other products. It is now responsible for more than 90% of total global genetically engineered (GE) crops.

It was found guilty in a 2002 court case of “negligence, wantoness, suppression of the truth, nuisance, trespass and of conduct so outrageous in character and extreme in degree as to go beyond all possible bounds of decency as to be regarded as atrocious and utterly intolerable in civilised society”, because of its pollution of Anniston, Alabama by PCBs, which Monsanto knew were toxic for more than 40 years prior to this ruling.

Monsanto has continually opposed liability for the effects of Agent Orange on more than a million Vietnamese and US Veterans and their children.

Monsanto produced the worlds first genetically engineered (GE) veterinary hormone, recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH) that boosts milk production in cattle. It is shown to have misrepresented the safety tests and to have used poorly designed studies to gain approval. rBGH literature notes that the product increases the rate of mastitis and consequently raises both pus and antibiotic levels in the milk supply.

Monsanto subsidiary Searle, forced a GE sweetner, Aspartame®â„˘ onto the market despite strong evidence that this product causes a host of negative effects. In 1990 over 5,500 consumers registerd negative effects from aspartame, 80% of total complaints on all foods and additives for the year. Over 100 side effects are noted for Aspartame.

Monsanto subsidary Calgene, which has had such movers as Ann Veneman (now Secretary of Agriculture) on its board gains approval of the Flavor Savr tomato, a long shelf life tomato, despite serious deficiences in feeding trials on mice that saw 7 mice fed the GE tomato die, another 7 develop stomach lesions, after being force-fed the product because they would not eat it voluntarily. The control group experienced no such problems. This remains the most detailed industry run dietary study of any GM food to date.



Monsanto salesman Phil Angel said “Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of Biotech food. Our intent is selling as much of it as possible”.

Monsantos relies on Roundup®, its glyphosate based herbicide to which its Roundup Ready® soybeans and other products are immune. About 1 million tonnes of this product was used in 2003. The patent expired in 2001 and Monsanto now relies on contractually connecting the use of its GE seed to its herbicide, thus retaining market share. Roundup is one of Monsantos most profitable products, while GE crops barely break even.

Monsanto is desparately intent on getting its own way. Watch this space.
crystal sage
sad.gif no.gif ...Just found this article....


Engineered Foods A Threat to Babies
by Wendy Priesnitz
http://www.life.ca/nl/68/babies.html
The baby food industry is the latest front in the war against genetically engineered food.

In early June 1999, Canada’s Health Minister Allan Rock was called upon by the Canadian Health Coalition, the Infant Feeding Action Coalition (INFACT Canada), and the National Federation of Nurses Unions to impose immediate restrictions on the routine use of soy-based infant formulas. They pointed to studies by the New Zealand government that show soy formulas could do damage to an infant’s thyroid, as well as concerns about genetically engineered soy, which forms the basis of commercial formula.

“Currently 20 percent of infants in Canada are fed soy-based infant formulas and are thereby exposed to levels of phytoestrogens up to 22,000 times higher than those normally found in breast milk,” says Elizabeth Sterken, of INFACT Canada. “Statements by Health Canada and the infant food industry that the formulas are safe are false and misleading. The American Academy of Pediatrics states it will take years of research to scientifically establish the safety of phytoestrogens.”

Epidemiological evidence links soy formula consumption to:

* disruption of normal sexual development evidenced by changes in onset of puberty
* onset of early puberty in the U.S. occurred in tandem with increased sales of soy formulas
* thyroid dysfunction and increased incidence of goitre as phytoestrogens act as endocrine disrupters
* phytoestrogens are known to induce infertility in animals and possibly in some birds
* possible links between soy phytoestrogen genistein and infantile leukemia.

“Rather than protecting the health of the most vulnerable, babies and children, Canada’s Health Protection Branch and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency are protecting the infant formula, food, pesticides, and biotech industries. This is a grotesque betrayal. The use of the soy-based formula must be restricted immediately until the industry demonstrates the safety of phytoestrogens,” insists Sterken.

All infant formulas sold in Canada are manufactured with genetically mutant soy beans. Safety of genetically manipulated food in human populations is untested. Infants fed soy-based formulas are fed these products as their exclusive food for the first six months of life and as part of the weaning diet for up to two years. Babies have unique nutritional and development needs. Damage to health, immune capacity, physical and neurological development at an early age is irreversible.

crystal sage
Originally maybe GM foods would have been seen as a way to feed the world... stop wastage... but now I think they've lost the plot!!!gone too far!!!



http://earthsave.org/ge.htm

There has already been at least one known health disaster regarding genetically altered products. In 1989 the Japanese company Showa Denko marketed a GA version of the supplement L-tryptophan. After the release an estimated 5000 people suffered from an outbreak of Eosinophilia Myalgia Syndrome (EMS). It was initially reported that 37 people died, and 1500 were left with permanent disabilities.6

When gene engineers splice a foreign gene into a plant or microbe, they often link it to another gene, called an antibiotic resistance marker gene (ARM), that helps determine if the first gene was successfully spliced into the host organism. Some researchers warn that these ARM genes might unexpectedly recombine with disease-causing bacteria or microbes in the environment or in the guts of animals or people who eat GE food, contributing to the growing public health danger of antibiotic resistance. Research from the Netherlands show that these antibiotic resistant marker genes from genetically altered bacteria can be transferred horizontally to indigenous bacteria in an artificial gut.7
Eric Raven The Skeptic
Technology will eventually make feeding the masses alot easier. Everything cannot be the natural way. Sometimes man can improve it.
crystal sage
...or just take a good look at what else nature has to offer!!!!

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=92050

crystal sage

How Monsanto's policies have become U.S. policy

Prior to being the Supreme Court Judge who put G.W. in office, Clarence Thomas was Monsanto's lawyer. The U.S. Secretary of Agriculture (Anne Veneman) was on the Board of Directors of Monsanto's Calgene Corporation. The Secretary of Defense (Donald Rumsfeld) was on the Board of Directors of Monsanto's Searle pharmaceuticals. The U.S. Secretary of Health, Tommy Thompson, received $50,000 in donations from Monsanto during his winning campaign for Wisconsin's governor. The two congressmen receiving the most donations from Monsanto during the last election were Larry Combest (Chairman of the House Agricultural Committee) and Attorney General John Ashcroft. (Source: Dairy Education Board)

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2007/...ss_as_usual.htm

crystal sage
http://www.grain.org/articles_files/atg-9-en.pdf

Monsanto moves to tighten it's control over Latin America


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http://www.sprol.com/?p=248

Deforestation

After a few years of the GE Soya monoculture, the soil is so full of poisons and lacking in nutrients, natural bacteria, and other agents that it can no longer support any plant life and turns to desert.

Currently over 14 million hectares (54,000 sq miles) of Argentina is farmed in this unsustainable way. It’s estimated that over a million gallons of Roundup are used each year. While more land is being cleared and planted with the GE Soya, the yields are starting to drop. Even though 1.5 million additional hectares were cultivated in 2002-2003, production fell by 60 million pounds.


http://www.beyondpesticides.org/news/daily...chive/index.htm

QUOTE
An epidemiological study in the Ontario farming populations showed that
glyphosate exposure nearly doubled the risk of late spontaneous
abortions [2], and Prof. Eric-Giles Seralini and his research team from
Caen University in France decided to find out more about the effects of
the herbicide on cells from the human placenta.

They have now shown that glyphosate is toxic to human placental cells,
killing a large proportion of them after 18 hr of exposure at
concentrations below that in agricultural use [3]. Moreover, Roundup is
always more toxic than its active ingredient, glyphosate; at least by
two-fold. The effect increased with time, and was obtained with
concentrations of Roundup 10 times lower than agricultural use.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/monsanto/poisoning030805.cfm

Three recent case-control studies suggested an association between
glyphosate use and the risk of non-Hodgkin lymphoma [6-8]; while a
prospective cohort study in Iowa and North Carolina that includes more
than 54 315 private and commercial licensed pesticide applicators
suggested a link between glyphosate use and multiple myoeloma [9].
crystal sage
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QUOTE
http://www.eco-action.org/dod/no6/gm_labelling.htm

Dangers Inherent in the Process Itself
The Use of Cauliflower Mosaic Virus
"Essentially, all of the crops released after genetic engineering use Cauliflower Mosaic Virus (CaMV) genes as switches to turn on the foreign genes that have been introduced into the crops, to make them patentable and ready for market. CaMV is a pararetrovirus related to Hepatitis B virus in humans. CaMV is used even though experiments show that virus genes in crop plants recombine with invading viruses to make new strong virus strains. The danger from CaMV is that it will create newer stronger plant viruses. It isn't out of the question that CaMV will recombine with Hepatitis B to make a virus that lives in both plants and animals. Such a natural transmission is seriously discussed for the scary virus, Ebola. When CaMV is used on crops it isThere is a fundamental genetic law in recombination that says "too many genes mixed together are bound to produce bad news".[9]

In addition to the dangerous nature of the mutant 'foods', there have been numerous instances which show that the regulatory bodies are either too uninformed or too corrupted by corporate influence to make sensible decisions. Even if the authorities were acting on our behalf, the corporations ignore the law and go ahead with their unmandated agenda regardless.

As Bill Mollison said; "the time for evidence is over, there is only time for action", or in the more eloquent words of Kant: "It is often necessary to take a decision on the basis of knowledge sufficient for action, but insufficient to satisfy the intellect." In this case we may even have the latter.

If we campaign wholeheartedly for a ban we are on solid scientific ground. We can appeal directly to people to help, and show them why it is important. The campaign for labelling is making the issue of a life-threatening technology appear to be merely an issue of civil rights. This is not an issue that can be resolved through the mechanisms of the market, or 'consumer choice' - and food is only one of the many applications of biotechnology, most of which have so far been overlooked. This is playing right into the hands of the biotech corporations. We need a debate about how to stop them, not about how to allow them to carry on. No-one has the right to choose something that threatens the lives of others; that endangers the current life of this planet.



Is this a case where we have to go thru a scorched earth policy to wipe out all mutant combinations of Frankenplants eg. make our world ..or eraze all traces of it ..like another ''Sodom and Gemorrah''... or the other legendary ancient lands... civilizations(Atlantis tales were tales of ancient arrogant civilizations that created chimera spliced different organisms animals.. species.and created such horrors that they had to be destroyed .. that ancient seafaring watchdogs.. phillistines? roamed the earth for hundreds.. thousands? of years destroying any remnants of ancient memories.. artifacts of these ancient civilizations..). hints of which are mentioned in the bible.
Mademoiselle
The world has become a very scary place . I was totally anaware of all this before i read this thread .
Tiggs
QUOTE (GanjaGuru @ Oct 17 2006, 10:07 PM) *
What side effects...
If no real tests have been conducted for the long term how do we know there will be side effects. Genetically altered grains are already being grown everywhere.

Did you happen to see the Morgellans Topic I posted yesterday, claiming a link between Morgellans and GM food?
REBEL
Or this one; The World According To Monsanto...The revelations will blow ya mind.
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