This may be crazy or not worth talking about but I wanted to share it.
It may take sometime. First off my family all have told me to "forget" about all this but it's hard.
My grandfather and I always were close when it came to some topics. He used to love to watch UFO stuff and alien news and listen to Coast to Coast am. I seemed to be the only one that followed that same subject. I remember about 1983 watching a special about UFO with him on HBO I believe (I know it was a channel I didn't get). They talked to some non-believers and my grandfather seemed a little up sit. He said "Some people will never believe even if it was right in front of them." I also, not sure why I remember him telling me this "For someone to look out in to space and say there is no live out there is like someone opening the back door, looking around the backyard, not seeing anyone and thinking he was the only man on earth". That statement stock with me. Anyway, around 1995 the Roswell and alien autopsy thing was all over the place. I was 23 at the time and we had talked a lot about aliens and stuff however he never told me this. At the time I was shocked that non of it came up before. He said in 1947 he was called to Roswell along with others to "clean up" the crash site. I asked more about it but he wouldn't say much. I did goes to say that "nothing official" will ever be released and that nothing was written down or filed away. He said that they can check all the recorders and reports for the week at Roswell and find nothing. Nothing was saved, it was all "under the rug". I watched the Alien Autopsy with him and it upset up. He keep saying, "They got it wrong, those eyes, they are not dark enough, the size, the look, its wrong". When I asked more he wouldn't say much other than "I know when to talk and when I can't." I did ask what a alien looked it and he said, the best he can compare it with was a the head of an un-born baby, still in the stomach at about 8-9 weeks.
I will fast forward until summer of 2005. My grandfather now in his mid 80's he health was starting to fall. He was hostpailzed in June. For the next few months he would start to see and talk crazy, that is normal I hear. Around the first of Sept. I visited him and this time he knew he was I was. It was great and he seemed to be in his right mind, at the moment. He told me to sit close to him and I did. He said, "Remember we talked about things, things not of this world? Roswell, aliens and stuff?" I told him I did, he went on "My job was to clean up, and I did. However I have a few peaces. The chest at home, inside is proof." He wasn't sure if he was back to talking crazy or still in his right mind. "Small pieces of wreckage, pictures. Lots of pictures." I asked him. "What pictures" and he said again, "Those eyes, those dark eyes".
Was he losing his mind? Anyway, I didn't have the heart to tell him that 4 weeks before this happened my grandparents home was broken in to. And as you can guess the old chest was taken along with money and other family items.
The police was called in but did little. That is normal I guess. However when we talked to people that live near by they said they say two men in suits going and come from the house. That seemed strange for that area. The police officer told us that it was detectives that was close by when the call came in. So they stopped by. I didn't think much about it until my grandfather told me about the old chest. A old chest that for years, all my life, sat in is room locked up.
Sadly in Oct of 2005, he passed away.
Now I wonder if he was out of his mind and talking crazy again, or was something in the case? Did someone came and take it?
I guess I will never know.

intresting story...don't really have anyother comments...but was a good read...thanks for sharing

thanks, i guess it comes down to just a "story" now that he has passed away. I got nothing to really back it up.

Thank you for sharing that information. May I ask some questions about the police? Do you know how "interested" they were in the robbery? Were pictures taken of the room? Were fingerprints dusted for? Was an official report made for insurance purposes? Any questions asked of the neighbors? Were any other items taken? Was the room left in a mess? I hope you can tell where I am going with this.

What size was the chest???do you know??

its usual for the police not to do anything about stolen items that i no for a fact. but u grandad surly ur parents would of nown of his job and maybe u should ask them? they wouldnt of goe threw life not nowing what there father done for a living.

I guess I could have give some of the in the story but I did not want to run to long.
From what I recall and this was a year ago and at the time didn't seem like anything odd. The police talked to no one close by but my grandmother and father did. i have some pictures of the room after the robbery but I have to dig them up. We took them, not the police. A official report was made. Fingerprints I believe was dusted for. A lot of items were taken. Yes 3 room in the home were very messy.

My grandfather was in the Air Force and I know he served in War World II as a gunner but I believe some other task also. Sometimes after WWII he was sent to Warner Robins, GA to the Robines Air Force Base. He stayed at Robins until he retired in the early 80s. The way he spoke about "Rosweel" I just the feeling that he was just asked to report the "site" to clean it. I don't think he was anyone specail but a server man doing what he was told.

There is one thing I didn't post cause I wanted to cut down on the post. I once asked him why didn't the "aliens" land and vist us all. He said that the aliens did not know of WAR or anything combat of the likes were they are from. They were, believe it or not, scared anyway of Humans and they powers to destory. From what he said, I believe they made some type of deal to "Study our world" and he agreed to keep things a secret so they can study with no worries.

I am guess here, but I'll say 32x22 or so.
It was always in the back corner of his room, dusty, never touched.

I believe all traces of the US govts involvement with aliens is being decimated. your grandfathers items could have been worthy of taking...

My parents, my father and even my grandmother tell me just junk was in the chest and that was on death bed man talking crazy. yes i was at times he was talking crazy (seeing people that wasn't there, etc) but I am not sure about this time based on things he told me in the past. Also i do find it odd that they lived in the same house for over 40 years with no problems and then, on my grandfather on his death bed, the place is robbed.

What was your grandfathers name, and what position did he hold whilst at Roswell?

Okey Chambers but he never was stationed at Roswell that I know of. As he said, he was asked to come clean up things. From talking to him it seem that most or all of the "clean up" guys were not from any near by base. I could be wrong.

Well you could try and answer one of your questions: "Was he at Roswell?". You can research records of where your Grandfather was stationed and any orders received. There should be a paper trail of some sort, if you are willing to put the work in.

I dont believe you. You are in your 30s and dont even know how to write coherently, and you expect us to believe this story?



It took 60 years for them to steal the chest?

I agree with Stellar on this one, sounds like a load of crap to me

Yes my spelling sucks, as you can tell not only here but on my website (http://www.zach-braff.com) and on MySpace page etc. I am 34 as of Sept. 28th 2006.
Not asking people to believe me just thought I post it and see what the feedback was. Sorry if I was in the wrong for doing that.

As for my grammer/spelling its something I have had to deal with for years. As I was told when I 14 that what is in my head is ahead of what I write. This cause me a lot of errors in writting and, yes, even if I proof read it my "mind" see what is right not wrong. Sometimes it helps if I read something I wrote backwards. Strange? I guess so. My wife can point out things in notes and I'll read it and not even see the error. So due to this I am deeply sorry.

I don't want to upset anyone here and will close this matter. Take it as you wish. Like I said I am not even sure if its true or of the "chest" has anything to do with anything. I just was share the talk I had.

Again deeply sorry.

Just as a simple question, how heavy and tall was this chest? A thief would take something smaller before a heavy chest.

Dont apologize to these people, who are just being rude and obnoxious, they are all over these boards. I thought it was interesting story. You have every right to post your story if you want, some people dont know how to express themselves without taking personal shots at the author and it is just rude. Hope they dont scare you off from posting.

I agree Chambers to what dmurdock36 just said !!! Keep posting At least you add to the forum and make a story interesting to say the least. I will have to say the lack of proof does little to help your claims. That is not the point and neither is your spelling or grammar. I;m sure there are many people on this site right now who would love to post a story or two and may be to scared to do so for some of the criticism they may receive.

I'm glad you came out and told us your story, and it's not what we believe that matters and if you truly believe it, so be it. I can't say I believe you but I do respect you for having the courage to come out and post what your grandfather had to say and what you now believe. I look forward to seeing you around the forum, and if you do have anymore info you could give, such as what was your grandfathers rank? where abouts he lived? what branch of the military was he in? More info required if you can.

That sucks ass that the chest was stolen. It's so inconvenient how that sh** happens.

How true

Fascinating story, and similar to the Brit girl whos father told her a similar tale on his death bed... He was a British Airforce officer who claimed he was present as Roswell unfolded serving on secondment with the 509th... She was told when she enquired about him doing so, that his story was rubbish and just the ramblings of a dying man...That he had never served with the 509th... funny, cos she had a pic of him standing with the rest of of the 509th under a large banner saying 509th bomber group... What is even more interesting is that he told her the story pre 1978 and all the public kerfuffle about Roswell...


Now given your tale is true.... there is something very interesting about the robbery... The vast majority of household robberies are either cash jewelry or electronic goods.. Ie materials that can be used or re sold immediately the crime has been committed.

The only sort of robberies where something as obscure as an old dusty chest are taken, are where the complete house is cleared out. These robberies are usually perpetrated in *wealthy* neighbourhoods where the perpetrators think that virtually everything the house contains is of some intrinsic value and are usually carried out by *professional* criminals.

The typical robber does not enter a house and take an old chest... they might empty it out and take anything they perceive as valuable. Taking the actual chest itself is actually quite unusual. OK so lets say this was purely an opportunist thief... They enter the house spend as little time as possible in there and get out without trying to draw attention to themself.

Now we all see people walking from a house carrying hi fis tvs etc... they wouldn't even really raise an issue in your mind, unless you thought hang on,.... i don't know that person and don't recognise them as being anything to do with that household..However you see someone walking from a house carrying a big old wooden chest you cant help but think.. i wonder what is in the chest... In other words ,you would most likely remember the person carrying it...

Therefore, the perpetrator knew they were taking a more than average risk being seen with the object if they were spotted around the neighbourhood. Furthermore, if they then try to sell the chest a person running a second hand store is way more likely to remember someone offering them a chest ,than say a tv... Again they are laying themself open to being remembered..

That being so, might i ask what else was stolen??

Sounds to me as if they were not searching for anything else but that chest. They wanted that chest pretty badly.

Atleast your modest, a story, that's all you have though. But it could be more then credible.

Don't be sorry, you're probably dealing with a type of language based disorder. My son has a very similar problem, it isn't indicative of anything having to with intelligence or veracity. I recommend using spell and grammar check, then go back and review the paragraph paying close attention to the areas that were problematic for you. BTW, I teach English as a second language...which leads me to say that eveyone here should be aware that some people may be posting outside of their primary langauge (ie, tolerance is needed).

As to the subject of the thread, I have a couple of questions: How could anyone outside of the family have even known about the chest? If this was something known by 'the powers that be' why didn't some government agents (MIBs or whatever) simply demand that the gentleman return the samples long before his death? Frankly, if there were bits of a UFO known to be missing (and the government was engaged in a cover up) one would think that the samples would have been sought out long ago.

However, all this doesn't mean that this event didn't (or did) happen just as the author has claimed. There's just no way to really know how valid the claims are. This is exactly the reason that anecdotal evidence is considered to be extremely weak.

I liked the story also chambers..and i believe you..dont listen to the debunkers thats what they do..debunk

Dont make us sound so bad


But thats what we do, we present pauisble ideas or recreations of what could've happened, as for him it's hard to believe because he doesn't had hard-proof, but his story does sound believable. Souly on the part of his story isnt fantastical of little green beings.

This is the only part that bothers me. If your grandfather was there for the "clean up", how would he have known so much about the aliens? Wouldn't he have only known what he saw while "cleaning", and not about the aliens actual intentions?

Touche

The Cat agrees with this. If information is kept quiet, how can it be judged.
I suspect that the fact that the old man kept the secret is adequate to lend credence, or at least some credence to the story.
As to the burglary, I had a similar thing happen. During the 80s I acquired a friend who had been Special Forces Vietnam, and subsequently joined CIA. Without elaboration, he was arrested, knew he would be, and shortly afterwards (about a month), my house was broken into; the only things that were taken were Vietnam mementos, military service cards such as instructor cards, reserve card (inactive), and the like, which I kept in an otherwise empty wallet. All my medals, ribbons, knives I had acquired during Nam, and some other items were taken. For whatever reason, no other jewelry, such as a large diamond ring, diamond links, tie clasps, and so on, that were in the same jewelry box were left. The burglar was picky: all that was taken was related to Nam. Fortunately, the papers I had from service were in a different place, as they are now, and remain within reach. Subsequent attempts to verify service have failed; records misplaced or burned in a large fire, etc. But old servicemen are aware of the fact that all orders then were mimeographed, and usually there were 10 or 12 copies, all of which I still have. Poor gov! Missed something!

Yeah, not to be harsh, but as mentioned in this post, if the government really wanted to keep the pictures from getting out, they wouldn't have let your grandpa keep them for 60 years, and if they somehow found out that he had the pictures and had kept them for 60 years, they'd have to assume that either your grandpa had lost or destroyed the pictures.