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crystal sage
I think He's great...and has the gumption to stand up for what he believes is right...and wrong with this world....
http://www.michaelmoore.com/


http://www.geocities.com/crazyquagga/MooreVsJones.htm

http://777001.com/?q=node/853

http://777001.com/?q=node/853

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF8-8Kaa8jo


Edit: removed redundant quote.
BurnSide
TK0001
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Oct 24 2006, 11:12 PM) [snapback]1403267[/snapback]

I think He's great...and has the gumption to stand up for what he believes is right...and wrong with this world....


He's also not bogged down by such things as "morals" or "ethics".

What does this have to do with conspiracies, again?
BurnSide
Why did you quote what i was saying about a spam topic that was closed? That quote has nothing to do with this topic, therefore i have removed it.
Expect this topic to get closed extremely quickly. People either love him or hate him and can't help but get into heated discussions about it which to quickly turn to fisticuffs.
Briggles
I think the mans just a prick. From what i've seen of him he just seem to go well out of his way to embarrass his country and its leaders. Whats worse is he dose it under the guise of 'reviling the truth' when really hes just out to make a bit of $$$. An i think thats well out of order. I don't know how the fat git sleeps at night.......In fact i'm surprised someone hasn't tried to kill him yet. angry.gif
The Skeptic Eric Raven
He is a fat little monkey out to make money by putting certain people and political parties down.

"Eat your big mac monkey."
ohio tsunami
QUOTE(Q-Ball @ Oct 25 2006, 11:17 AM) [snapback]1403751[/snapback]

I think the mans just a prick. From what i've seen of him he just seem to go well out of his way to embarrass his country and its leaders. Whats worse is he dose it under the guise of 'reviling the truth' when really hes just out to make a bit of $$$. An i think thats well out of order. I don't know how the fat git sleeps at night.......In fact i'm surprised someone hasn't tried to kill him yet. angry.gif


We wouldn't get that lucky.........
contactismade
Mr. Moore started with good intentions, if anyone can remember he did this little movie called Roger and Me about the big three auto makers shipping American jobs to mexico and reaping record profits at the expense of the American people. And yes he did make a few bucks, but so what. He is only doing projects that have the attention of the public. He chooses topics that are national subjects. All he's doing is challenging the mentally lazy to see things differently. And besides if he didn't have an audience then he wouldn't get any play. If you don't like his opinions change the channel.
ohio tsunami
QUOTE(contactismade @ Oct 25 2006, 02:55 PM) [snapback]1404064[/snapback]

Mr. Moore started with good intentions, if anyone can remember he did this little movie called Roger and Me about the big three auto makers shipping American jobs to mexico and reaping record profits at the expense of the American people. And yes he did make a few bucks, but so what. He is only doing projects that have the attention of the public. He chooses topics that are national subjects. All he's doing is challenging the mentally lazy to see things differently. And besides if he didn't have an audience then he wouldn't get any play. If you don't like his opinions change the channel.


I,ve never seen it, I couldn't sit through but about 5 minutes of any piece of trash he wrote or produced. No, I don't like him. Since, thank God, he doesn't have a permenant show on TV changing the channel is not an option. But voicing my opinion on his over inflated ego is. Just as it's his to use Rush Limbaugh tactics to claim truth from not totally truth.
Unlimited
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Oct 25 2006, 03:40 PM) [snapback]1403783[/snapback]

He is a fat little monkey out to make money by putting certain people and political parties down.

"Eat your big mac monkey."


lol...he doesnt tow the "party line" so their must be something wrong with him...hmmm
TK0001
QUOTE(limited @ Oct 25 2006, 03:22 PM) [snapback]1404115[/snapback]

lol...he doesnt tow the "party line" so their must be something wrong with him...hmmm


My beef with him is he completely lied and intentionally misled his viewers in Bowling for Columbine. I have no issue with his issues, just with the fact he gets awards for being a documentarian, when what he does is hardly documentary work.

It would be like handing an award to Dylan Avery for his honesty and fact finding prowess in Loose Change.
Briggles
QUOTE(contactismade @ Oct 25 2006, 07:55 PM) [snapback]1404064[/snapback]

If you don't like his opinions change the channel.



I did!!!! Thats why i said - From what i've seen of him he just seem to go well out of his way to embarrass his country and its leaders.

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crystal sage
QUOTE(Q-Ball @ Oct 26 2006, 07:01 AM) [snapback]1404317[/snapback]

I did!!!! Thats why i said - From what i've seen of him he just seem to go well out of his way to embarrass his country and its leaders.

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Hopefully his high profile will keep him safe....

Don't you think it needs a bit of a shake up???... if only you could see America the way the rest of the world sees America.... no.gif ..
Michelle
If you could only see America as it really is and not how your media portrays it... no.gif
crystal sage
Seen Heard of the Yes Men??/

http://www.theyesmen.org/


Small-time criminals impersonate honest people in order to steal their money. Targets are ordinary folks whose ID numbers fell into the wrong hands.


Honest people impersonate big-time criminals in order to publicly humiliate them. Targets are leaders and big corporations who put profits ahead of everything else.


The Yes Men have impersonated some of the world's most powerful criminals at conferences, on the web, and on television, in order to correct their identities.

http://www.theyesmenmovie.com/


http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2641648
crystal sage
QUOTE(TK0001 @ Oct 26 2006, 12:23 AM) [snapback]1403688[/snapback]

He's also not bogged down by such things as "morals" or "ethics".

What does this have to do with conspiracies, again?




He uncovers conspiracies... speaks his truth....opens a few windows to let in the light...



As Dr Phil says...

We can't change things we won't acknowledge...

So what if he is making money on it...???


The Church...religions make heaps of money... tongue.gif ph34r.gif ...that doesn't make them suspicious or shifty ,does it???Even though they preach ...give to the poor...and do not kill.. it doesn't mean they have to walk their talk..does it?????
QueenOftheCramped
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Oct 25 2006, 11:02 PM) [snapback]1404428[/snapback]

He uncovers conspiracies... speaks his truth....opens a few windows to let in the light...
As Dr Phil says...

We can't change things we won't acknowledge...

So what if he is making money on it...???
The Church...religions make heaps of money... tongue.gif ph34r.gif ...that doesn't make them suspicious or shifty ,does it???Even though they preach ...give to the poor...and do not kill.. it doesn't mean they have to walk their talk..does it?????



I must agree with crystal sage. I think Michael Moore is a courageous, inspiring person. I am completely surprised that he's got such a "hate-club"! Haven't heard anything like that before. But maybe that's because I live in Europe?

Kobe, what is he accused of lying about in "Bowling for Columbine"?

Michelle
Obviously you haven't heard about a lot of the people that he had in some of his "interviews" that are really ticked about having their words taken out of context and or manipulated to say what he wanted people to believe.
SecondHeartbeat
i like michael moore,just cause he makes a few movies and makes money doesn't make him a bad person.I think porn is much worse,if you don't like him,then don't watch his movies,its not like somebody's saying "hey,you watch this movie right now or else".its your choice to watch his movies,and its your choice to hate and or like him,me personally,i like his movies
Michelle
grin2.gif That's perfectly fine as long as you take everything he says with a grain of salt.
QueenOftheCramped
QUOTE(Michelle @ Oct 25 2006, 11:21 PM) [snapback]1404456[/snapback]

Obviously you haven't heard about a lot of the people that he had in some of his "interviews" that are really ticked about having their words taken out of context and or manipulated to say what he wanted people to believe.



No, I haven't heard about that, I'm afraid. I'll have to look into that. If he has really done this, then pfoi ! disgust.gif
The Skeptic Eric Raven
He still is a little fat monkey.lol
Briggles
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Oct 25 2006, 10:49 PM) [snapback]1404409[/snapback]

Hopefully his high profile will keep him safe....

Don't you think it needs a bit of a shake up???... if only you could see America the way the rest of the world sees America.... no.gif ..




Dose Grate Briton not count as the rest of the world then? Cos i'm not american, an i still don't like the guy. I'd hate to think how wound up i'd be if some unwashed fat bloke started tear arseing round england pulling the same tricks Mr moore dose in the US.
Michelle
w00t.gif ^ You gave me the best laugh I've had for days... rofl.gif

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Lance5050
Well Pal...I just happenened to be working in Littleton Colorado (at an office with a window and all the helicopters flying around) when all this stuff happened...doesn't make me anything. Wish to God or Whoever that I could have stopped it. At the time I was clueless.
contactismade
I don't know about him going out of his way to embarrass his country or its leaders. I thought it was interesting that in Fahrenheit he did that part where he asked leaders of the US to register there son for enrollment in the army. I bet if you look the only part of the army you would find the children of the leadership of the US would be the national gaurd. Its been the place where the affluent stash their kids for their compulsory military service on their way to running for election. In the states the roles have been changed, not too long ago it was common for the more prosperous to go to West point, or the Citadel, or even uggg the Naval Academy, and serve their country with distinction. If you look at the roll call for WW2 you will find sons of farmers and sons of captains of industry there side by side. But then a weaker strain emerged (which is what happens when you inbreed the rich) one that was worthless when it came to morals or good sense. These are the guys that inherited the seats of power, and don't kid yourself here, these seats may be won by election, but the result was already a forgone conclusion before the first ballot was cast. These are the guys who run things now, the scions of the wealthy. No regular folk need apply, your vies are not welcome either. Money and the effort to aquire it are the credo of this bunch, and don't worry about any suffering because the rich won't suffer a bit.
ohio tsunami
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'crystal sage' date='Oct 25 2006, 06:02 PM' post='1404428']
He uncovers conspiracies... speaks his truth....opens a few windows to let in the light


He creates conspiricies......speaks truth made from lies......opens his mouth to let stupidity fly out.


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As Dr Phil says...

We can't change things we won't acknowledge...


LOL w00t.gif You're quoting Dr. Phil? He's on the same "dumb as a rock con-artist" level as Mike Moore. If you're trying to quote an American dumbass,you've accomplished it. thumbsup.gif



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The Church...religions make heaps of money... tongue.gif ph34r.gif ...that doesn't make them suspicious or shifty ,does it???


Yes,sometimes it does.

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Even though they preach ...give to the poor...and do not kill.. it doesn't mean they have to walk their talk..does it?????


They do preach. They give to the poor when it's convenient to them. Don't kill???? Are you serious? ohmy.gif The church does kill maybe not all churches, but a growing number do target those who have different beliefs.
contactismade
More people have been killed because of religion than all the people killed by natural disease put together.
Briggles
QUOTE(contactismade @ Oct 26 2006, 05:11 PM) [snapback]1405440[/snapback]

More people have been killed because of religion than all the people killed by natural disease put together.


I'm not disagreeing with you, your probably right, but how do you KNOW that? What about the people killed by natural disaster before recorded history? Seems like a bold statement for something you have no way of proving.
contactismade
The crusades, the witch hunts, the conquest of south america (estimated 20 million native killed by disease), the last twenty or so year in Gaza, the year of the three popes, there is more and more. All actions done under the blanket of religion. These are just some of the ones I know from my history. I didn't even touch India or China.
OlDrippy34
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Oct 25 2006, 06:02 PM) [snapback]1404428[/snapback]

He uncovers conspiracies... speaks his truth....opens a few windows to let in the light...

"His," of course, being the key word. And HIS truth just so happens to be built on deceit and driven by a very clear agenda.

And as for religion being responsible for more deaths than disease...that's one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard.
wcturnersr
Michael Moore is a !@#$%^&*(&@#%^^&%!!!!

Just my opinion. grin2.gif
contactismade
Hey a lot of things have been done "in the name of god" and the god involved changes from situation to situation. And I think calling the statement insanely idiotic is a testamnet ot your lack of sense of history. Pick a book up sometime you might actually learn something that isn't on the internet friend.
OlDrippy34
QUOTE(contactismade @ Oct 27 2006, 10:36 AM) [snapback]1406740[/snapback]

Hey a lot of things have been done "in the name of god" and the god involved changes from situation to situation. And I think calling the statement insanely idiotic is a testamnet ot your lack of sense of history. Pick a book up sometime you might actually learn something that isn't on the internet friend.

Hahaha, my lack of sense of history? I'm a history major, brosef, and no, it IS insanely idiotic. Humans have been around much longer than religion. Not to mention the statistic that mosquitoes have been responsible for more deaths than all wars that have ever occurred. I'm not pulling that out of nowhere, I'll look up and find a source for that.

That was nicely condescending, though, keep up the good work. For a second I almost actually thought you knew something. Insanely idiotic, plain and simple.
TK0001
QUOTE(QueenOftheCramped @ Oct 25 2006, 06:12 PM) [snapback]1404440[/snapback]

Kobe, what is he accused of lying about in "Bowling for Columbine"?


I guess the question is: what isn't he accused of?

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
crystal sage
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Yes,sometimes it does.
They do preach. They give to the poor when it's convenient to them. Don't kill???? Are you serious? ohmy.gif The church does kill maybe not all churches, but a growing number do target those who have different beliefs.
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innocent.gif thumbsup.gif laugh.gif those last 2 comments were my weak attempt at sarcasm...!!!

Don't most religions work hand in hand with political leaders???

Present Rapturites included????

http://www.unknownnews.net/apocalypsenow.html
http://mediamatters.org/items/200607270001

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0420,perlstein,53582,1.html

http://www.unknownnews.org/051021n.html
contactismade
As long as there have been humans who grouped together there has been religion, maybe not in the sense that you think but believing in the sun as an actual god is quite common in history. And to spell it out I'm not saying that people were killed because of their religion, or killed for a religion only, I'm also speaking about conflaggerations started under the guise of religion, that usually didn't have anything to do with religion at all but was just a convenient excuse. And by the way how is that knowing everything and being right all the time working out for you anyway?
crystal sage
QUOTE(contactismade @ Oct 28 2006, 02:53 AM) [snapback]1406924[/snapback]

As long as there have been humans who grouped together there has been religion, maybe not in the sense that you think but believing in the sun as an actual god is quite common in history. And to spell it out I'm not saying that people were killed because of their religion, or killed for a religion only, I'm also speaking about conflaggerations started under the guise of religion, that usually didn't have anything to do with religion at all but was just a convenient excuse. And by the way how is that knowing everything and being right all the time working out for you anyway?



I am wise enough to know that I know very little.....and often hope I'm wrong...when I come close to believing some of the outrageous things that are supposedly happening in this world...

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Ahh found the article I was looking for..... hmm.gif

How scary is this !!!!

http://swiftreport.blogs.com/news/2004/11/..._house_exp.html

http://www.laetusinpraesens.org/musings/hurrican.php


Stupidgate

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0610/S00413.htm
crystal sage
On Alex Jones.... and David Icke


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1U-Z-8mvJY...ted&search=


http://www.infowars.com/


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I'm beginning to like Alex ... wink2.gif cool.gif
matthewgoad
I'm sure there is much that I don't know. But Michael Moore is ridiculous and a waste of space. He causes more harm than good and I've seen one of his movies and refuse to watch another. He's full of crap and only tells half the story. I'm sure alot of you are thinking that most people do that. Sure they do, but most of them don't promote their story as the "truth." The guy sucks!!
contactismade
yeah but he sure is making a lot of people angry for someone supposedly full of it, hmmmmm?
matthewgoad
Sure he is, because he's not being honest.. That tends to upset people.. If someone went around talking about you in a dishonest way, you would be upset, right??
contactismade
He may be partially dishonest your right, but unfortunately he is also partially right. There is a gross difference in how the young of the rich and powerful and the young of the poor are treated. You have to admit that he's right about that.
crystal sage
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php

The Kids Are Alright


Dear Friends,

If there was one group who really came through on Tuesday, it was the young people of America. Their turnout was historic and record-setting. And few in the media are willing to report this fact.

Unlike 2000 when Gore and Bush almost evenly split the youth vote (Gore: 48%, Bush: 46%), this year Kerry won the youth vote in a LANDSLIDE, getting a full ten points more than Bush (Kerry: 54%, Bush: 44%).

Young people were the ONLY age group that voted for Kerry. In every other age group (30-39, 40-49, 50-59, etc.), the majority voted for Bush.

In my state of Michigan, observers noted that it was the record youth vote that helped to put Kerry over the top in the state (AP: "Young Voters Played Big Role in Kerry's Michigan Victory")

Contrary to all predictions and to tradition, MORE young adults (18-29) voted in last week's election than in any other since 18-year-olds were given the right to vote in 1972.

It was the first time that a MAJORITY of all young adults came out to the polls: 51.6%.

Young adult turnout was UP more than 9% higher than the 2000 election ("Big Voter Turnout Seen Among Young People").

4.7 million MORE young adults voted in this election than in the last one. All these numbers are likely to go up when the millions of provisional ballots (and absentee ballots) are counted later this week (it is believed that young people were among the hardest hit in being forced to vote provisionally and students away at college make up a large bulk of the absentee ballots).

Rock the Vote and MTV's "Choose or Lose" had set the seemingly unattainable goal of getting 20 million young people out to vote. In the end, nearly 21 million youth voters cast their ballots last Tuesday -- A RECORD.

From the beginning, I believed that young adults and "slackers" would rise up in this election. As we began our slacker tour in Syracuse's football stadium on September 20, we could tell that this election would be like no other. It was no longer uncool to talk politics like it was five or ten years ago. Now, you were considered a loser if you didn't know what was going on in the world.

After speaking to the 10,000 gathered in Syracuse, we went on to hold rallies in 63 cities, mostly on campuses. Every night the events were packed, with anywhere from 5,000 to 15,000 people showing up. We registered thousands to vote and got tens of thousands more to sign up to volunteer with Move On, ACT, the College Dems and other groups like Vote Mob and the League of Pissed Off Voters. We reached perhaps a half-million people in person and millions more on local TV and radio in those 63 cities (all but three of them in swing states).

To be honest, this tour was a killer and not the easiest thing to do for a guy who isn't 18-29. Two (sometimes three) cities a day for over a month, crisscrossing the country, is enough to make you want to sleep for a year. But I was deeply inspired by what I saw. The level of dedication and commitment amongst everyday, average citizens was overwhelming. Each night from the stage I could see it in people's eyes that they were not going to give up -- and they, too, would not rest until Bush was removed from the White House.

In every town, this movement was being fueled and often led by young people. I don't ever want to hear another adult talk about how apathetic the youth are or how they don't have "it" in them. What you are about to see in the coming months is going to shock you. These kids aren't going away. They have a resilience that cannot be snuffed out by older people's whining and moaning about the state of America. THEIR America has yet to be formed as they see it, and this one setback is not going to stop them.

Witness the students at Boulder High School in Boulder, Colorado on Thursday, two days after the election. These kids can't even vote yet but that was not going to get in their way of expressing their outrage over what we adults had just done. The high school students took over the school by staging a sit-in and would not leave the building. They stayed there all Thursday night. They told the media that they were protesting the election results and putting Bush on notice that there was no way they were going to allow the draft to come back. It was the most uplifting moment of the week.

In the day after the election, the pundits were spewing their hot air about how the youth vote didn't matter this year. I wonder, even though they have the same facts available to them as I do -- the ones I've cited above -- do they just chose to ignore them because it doesn't fit into their tired old routine they call "conventional wisdom." I guess it is easier to simply repeat the same broken down clichés than it is to find out what the truth really is.

And it's even more important to kill what smells like teen spirit to them. God forbid if young people ever realized their true power and used it. Maybe what young adults need to continue to do is keep creating their own new media and news sources on the Internet and through other new technologies. Just bypass the old farts on Fox and CNN and all the rest. One thing's for sure -- by never challenging this president on his lies that sent our young off to war, they have proven which side they are on and it isn't on the side of the young or the future.

Congratulations, 18 to 29-year-olds -- you rocked.

Yours,

Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com
MMFlint@aol.com (if full, try mike@michaelmoore.com)
chris0871
This war were fighting is not about religion, it's not about freedom, it's not about right it's not about wrong ........it's all about MONEY billions and billions .......and if you can't see it then your brain dead and too busy living in your fu#ked up American Dream ....that only maybe the top 5% of the population have ....wake up because it's not going to get any better trust me ....take a good look around at the average American ..you think we have problems now you ain't seen nothing yet ....
crystal sage
QUOTE(chris0871 @ Oct 29 2006, 03:58 PM) [snapback]1408645[/snapback]

This war were fighting is not about religion, it's not about freedom, it's not about right it's not about wrong ........it's all about MONEY billions and billions .......and if you can't see it then your brain dead and too busy living in your fu#ked up American Dream ....that only maybe the top 5% of the population have ....wake up because it's not going to get any better trust me ....take a good look around at the average American ..you think we have problems now you ain't seen nothing yet ....




thumbsup.gif It's about Money...Power...and hiding what...why???

I'm totally against the war...and the games played there...Have you heard of this...???

How America Nukes Its Own Troops - Death By Slow Burn
AMY WORTHINGTON / The Idaho Observer (Spirit Lake)
What 'Support Our Troops' Really Means

On March 30, an AP photo featured an American pro-war activist holding a sign: "Nuke the evil scum, it worked in 1945!" That's exactly what George Bush has done. America's mega-billion dollar war in Iraq has been indeed a NUCLEAR WAR.

Bush-Cheney have delivered upon 17 million Iraqis tons of depleted uranium (DU) weapons, a "liberation" gift that will keep on giving. Depleted uranium is a component of toxic nuclear waste, usually stored at secure sites. Handlers need radiation protection gear.

Over a decade ago, war-makers decided to incorporate this lethal waste into much of the Pentagon's weaponry. Navy ships carrying Phalanx rapid fire guns are capable of firing thousands of DU rounds per minute.1 Tomahawk missiles launched from U.S. ships and subs are DU-tipped.2 The M1 Abrams tanks are armored with DU.3 These and British Challenger II tanks are tightly packed with DU shells, which continually irradiate troops in or near them.4 The A-10 "tank buster" aircraft fires DU shells at machines and people on the battlefield.5

DU munitions are classified by a United Nations resolution as illegal weapons of mass destruction. Their use breaches all international laws, treaties and conventions forbidding poisoned weapons calculated to cause unnecessary suffering.

Continue to read:
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newb...#forumpost29995

crying.gif Absorption of depleted uranium

About 98% of uranium entering the body via ingestion is not absorbed, but is eliminated via the faeces. Typical gut absorption rates for uranium in food and water are about 2% for soluble and about 0.2% for insoluble uranium compounds.
The fraction of uranium absorbed into the blood is generally greater following inhalation than following ingestion of the same chemical form. The fraction will also depend on the particle size distribution. For some soluble forms, more than 20% of the inhaled material could be absorbed into blood.
Of the uranium that is absorbed into the blood, approximately 70% will be filtered by the kidney and excreted in the urine within 24 hours; this amount increases to 90% within a few days.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/

Uranium is used primarily in nuclear power plants. However, most reactors require uranium in which the 235U content is enriched from 0.72% to about 1.5-3%.
Depleted uranium

The uranium remaining after removal of the enriched fraction contains about 99.8% 238U, 0.2% 235U and 0.001% 234U by mass; this is referred to as depleted uranium or DU.
The main difference between DU and natural uranium is that the former contains at least three times less 235U than the latter.
DU, consequently, is weakly radioactive and a radiation dose from it would be about 60% of that from purified natural uranium with the same mass. geek.gif blink.gif
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http://www.cadu.org.uk/

http://www.sundayherald.com/32522

Bill Hill

I heard Michael Moore doesn't use water to shower in but uses Lard instead. Pure pig fat... and when he showers he sometimes drinks the lard..and he makes his own underwear from porno magazines. hmm.gif
i hate Journalists Even WatkinS
ohmy.gif thats how he became so fat like he has, thumbsup.gif
Bill Hill

QUOTE(i hate Journalists Even WatkinS @ Oct 29 2006, 09:39 PM) [snapback]1409302[/snapback]

ohmy.gif thats how he became so fat like he has, thumbsup.gif


Yep.. makes sense.
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE(contactismade @ Oct 26 2006, 01:11 PM) [snapback]1405216[/snapback]

I don't know about him going out of his way to embarrass his country or its leaders. I thought it was interesting that in Fahrenheit he did that part where he asked leaders of the US to register there son for enrollment in the army. I bet if you look the only part of the army you would find the children of the leadership of the US would be the national gaurd. Its been the place where the affluent stash their kids for their compulsory military service on their way to running for election. In the states the roles have been changed, not too long ago it was common for the more prosperous to go to West point, or the Citadel, or even uggg the Naval Academy, and serve their country with distinction. If you look at the roll call for WW2 you will find sons of farmers and sons of captains of industry there side by side. But then a weaker strain emerged (which is what happens when you inbreed the rich) one that was worthless when it came to morals or good sense. These are the guys that inherited the seats of power, and don't kid yourself here, these seats may be won by election, but the result was already a forgone conclusion before the first ballot was cast. These are the guys who run things now, the scions of the wealthy. No regular folk need apply, your vies are not welcome either. Money and the effort to aquire it are the credo of this bunch, and don't worry about any suffering because the rich won't suffer a bit.


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