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user posted image rSam Willey: On the night of October 1st 1948 Lieutenant George F. Gorman of North Dakota Air National Guard had just been on a cross-country flight with his squadron. Upon his return to Hector airport in Fargo he thought he would log some night flying time so he remained up in the air as the other airplanes landed. He circled his F-51 over the lighted football stadium and then around the city, he was then preparing to land at around 9pm that night and he was cleared to do so by the control tower. He was told about another aircraft in the area (Piper Cub) which was the only other plane, he could see the light aircraft below about 500 feet below his location. Then what appeared to be a tail light of a plane passed him on the right but the tower told him they knew of no other plane in the area.Gorman told the tower he was going to check out and investigate what he thought to be another aircraft and pulled his F-51 up and out toward the moving light. He closed in within about 1,000 yards and took a good look at the flying object. Gorman later stated - "It was about six to eight inches in diameter, clear white, and completely round without fuzz at the edges [i.e., sharp and clear]. It was blinking on and off. As I approached, however, the light suddenly became steady and pulled into a sharp left bank.

I thought it was making a pass at the tower. I dived after it and brought my manifold pressure up to sixty inches but I couldn't catch up with the thing. It started gaining altitude and again made a left bank, I put my F-51 into a sharp turn and tried to cut the light off in its turn. By then we were at about 7,000 feet. Suddenly it made a sharp right turn and we headed straight at each other. Just when we were about to collide, I guess I got scared. I went into a dive and the light passed over my canopy at about 500 feet. Then, it made a left circle about 1,000 feet above, and I gave chase again."Gorman then cut sharply toward the light which was once again coming at him when collision again seemed imminent the object shot straight upwards and into the air in a steep climb, which then disappeared overhead. Gorman again attempted to peruse it but his plane went into a power stall at about 14,000 feet and the object was not seen again. The time was now 9:27pm. Gorman was shaken by the encounter and had a hard time handling the plane Gorman was a veteran pilot and flying instructor during World War II and he had noticed no sound, Odor or exhaust trail from the strange object during the dogfight and no deviation on his instruments. At some times during the fight he had pushed the F-51 to full power sometimes even reaching 400 mph. Gorman would later describe the object as round and flattened.

Air traffic controllers Lloyd D. Jensen and H E. Johnson also saw the strange light near the airfield and they stated the following - "After passing to the east of the airport it seemed to take a northwest heading, The object seemed to be at about 2,000 feet and appeared to be traveling at quite an excessive speed compared to a Piper Cub that was east of the field at the time. No definite outline could be identified. Both objects [the UFO and the Piper Cub] were sighted at the same time." Jensen said that through binoculars he sighted, "an object or a light traveling at a high rate of speed, apparently on a southwest heading. The F-51 [Gorman's plane] was some distance behind and the object was traveling fast enough to increase the spacing between itself and the fighter. The object appeared to be only a round light, perfectly formed, with no fuzzy edges or rays leaving its body. The edges were clear cut. No other shape was observed. The main identifying characteristic was the high rate of speed at which it was apparently traveling." The pilot of the Piper Cub, Dr. A. E. Cannon, and his passenger, Einar Nielson, also witnessed the swiftly moving light while in radio communication with the tower: "While circling the football field at NDAC at 1,600 feet, Fargo tower advised us that there was an F-51 in the air and a few moments later asked us who the third plane might be," Cannon said, "We had noticed the 51 and when we were over the north side of Hector field going west, a light, seemingly on a plane, passed above and to the north, moving very swiftly toward the west.

At first we thought it was the 51, but we then saw the light of the 51 higher and move over the field. We landed on Runway 3, taxied to the administration building, and went up to the tower and listened to the calls from the 51, which seemed to be trying to overtake the plane or lighted object, which then went southwest and over the city. The object was moving very swiftly, much faster than the 51. We tried to get a better view with a pair of binoculars, but couldn't follow it well enough."Gorman stated that he was certain the object was under the control of something intelligent he also stated - "I am also convinced that the object was governed by the laws of inertia because its acceleration was rapid but not immediate, and although it was able to turn fairly tight at considerable speed, it still followed a natural curve." He stated that the light was able to attain a much steeper climb than his F-51 and also outturn and out speed his F-51 also.

And that is a strange 1948 account a strange object of possible Extra Terrestrial Origin.

Sam Willey | sam@alienationsam.com | http://www.alienationsam.com/
Alex01
Intersting story. Truly an unexplainde mystery
ROGER
At that time (1948) I think the Air Force assumed the UFO's being sighted were Russian planes testing our defences. Unlike other reports I have read from this time , this object moved and banked like a regular plane. Other reports have the Ufos doing the sharp 90 degree turns and incredable speeds.
But I can think of no plane that looks like a ball of light at 9:pm + from all Angles.
Strange! yes.gif
Orion437
Source?
Gatofeo
I agree Orion437 ... what is the source for this information?
Did the author interview Lt. Gorman. The long quotes would seem to indicate so.
Where did you get all this information, Sam Willey?
And who are you?
This sounds like it was taken from the pages of a magazine. But what magazine? What issue?
ROGER
tongue.gif I did a quick search (f-51 dog fight with UFO) and found MANY sources with this information.

And I am an old fella and I found it! happy.gif
Sam Willey
Hello everyone i am the one responsible for writing article and thought i would register and answer the questions being asked in this thread.

The source of the information and quotes was UFOcasebook mainly - http://www.ufocasebook.com/ltgorman.html

But in order to write a full detailed article like the one above i went around the internet and got some more information on the incident. I also noticed a number of questions by one particular member below you will find the answers -

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Did the author interview Lt. Gorman. The long quotes would seem to indicate so.
Where did you get all this information, Sam Willey?


Question answered above and you can just call me Sam for short.

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And who are you?


My name is Sam Willey and I have been involved with the UFO Phenomena since 2003 and have had many UFO Sightings since then. I have my own UFO website called Alienationsam.com were i post many different kinds of articles and sighting reports. Other places i write for include UFO Magazine (US) and also UFODIGEST.

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This sounds like it was taken from the pages of a magazine. But what magazine? What issue?


I assure you this is not taken from any Magazine i went around the internet and got many sources of information then wrote a full article on the Gorman Case.

Any other questions should be directed to my email address - sam@alienationsam.com

Thank you!

Kind Regards - Sam Willey
zukie&jim
p-51d and f-51d-h man--would i love to log a couple hours on one of those babies-!
RollingThunder06
A little strange that some one would have to go to different websites to complete an interview and story involving one person.
ROGER
Ah , more than one person was involved and the fact that it happened in 1948 means lot of these people have died! Now unless you are going to hold a Seance to talk to Mr. Gorman and the Others that flew with him , getting Internet info from many sources is an intelligent use of resources.
AtlantisRises
QUOTE(Sam Willey @ Oct 30 2006, 12:18 AM) [snapback]1408921[/snapback]




My name is Sam Willey and I have been involved with the UFO Phenomena since 2003 and have had many UFO Sightings since then. I have my own UFO website called



So since becoming involved in UFOlogy you have suddenly seen a whole heap of UFOs.

Do you have some system that allows you to know where to look for UFOs.

Because if not I think you are seeing what you want to see.

If however you do have some way of predicting where to look for UFOs please tell as I would be interested to see one myself...

Yours and I hope I didn't offend...

AtlantisRises

Uber-Skeptic
Sam Willey
That is correct i saw a UFO in 2003 that made me become interested in the UFO Subject then i started to see more and more UFO's. The only reason for this is because i spend a lot of time skywatching the only reason i see loads is because i go out skywatching on a very regular basis. I have no way of predicting when a UFO is going to come.

Sam,
conspiracysrus
im sure patrick moore would have seen one by now?
hes been watching the sky at night for well over 50 years now.
and presented his findings on british tv for 30 years or more.
im sure i heard him say once that hes never seen a ufo.
Leonardo
Sam,

Thanks for writing the article, it's very interesting. Hope you don't mind if I ask a couple of questions?

The encounter took place between 21:00 and 21:40 (ish) on Oct 1, how dark is the night sky at that time of year?

Both Lt Gorman and the control tower witnesses confirm seeing a light, but Lt Gorman later states the object was 'round and flattened'. He did get quite close to the light but, if he saw another object outlined in the light, why did he not mention this in terms of size (or was he simply describing the light as flattened)?

I myself have never seen any light in our atmosphere that was 'sharp and defined' with 'no fuzzy edges or rays leaving it's body' unless I was very close to the source (within 10's of feet) and especially not when the source of light is moving at some speed (100's mph). The light itself is described as 'maybe 6 to 8 inches in diameter'. The witnesses in the control tower would have had to have incredible eyesight to see a 'round, perfectly formed' light of that size from any distance over a few 10's of feet. This in itself does not invalidate the witnesses testimonies, but it does give cause to doubt their testimony was not influenced by them talking amongst themselves and persuading each other of what they think they saw.

I am not doubting these people saw something they could not explain so it was, in essence, a UFO. It's just infuriatingly frustrating that most witness testimony is not more precise or objective.
Sam Willey
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im sure patrick moore would have seen one by now?
hes been watching the sky at night for well over 50 years now.
and presented his findings on british tv for 30 years or more.
im sure i heard him say once that hes never seen a ufo.


I don't know to tell you the truth i am not a magician i have just seen very strange things! I have no idea why i see so many they just seem to keep coming if i knew the reason i would most certainly let you know.

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A little strange that some one would have to go to different websites to complete an interview and story involving one person.


How else would i have got the information? Keep in mind this incident took place in the 1940's i doubt Lt. Gorman is still around.

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The encounter took place between 21:00 and 21:40 (ish) on Oct 1, how dark is the night sky at that time of year?


I have no idea but I should think quite dark.

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Both Lt Gorman and the control tower witnesses confirm seeing a light, but Lt Gorman later states the object was 'round and flattened'. He did get quite close to the light but, if he saw another object outlined in the light, why did he not mention this in terms of size (or was he simply describing the light as flattened)?


I honestly don't know if Gorman were available to talk to it would be great but since he is probably dead i think it is not possible to get an answer to the above question.

Just a notice - I appreciate all the questions about my UFO sightings and can see there are many intrigued people here who want to know more about my Sightings and why i am seeing more UFO's but i do not think this is the correct thread to be doing this. The thread is meant for discussion on the Lt. Gorman case and is not about me and who i am. If you have any questions about me and why i am interested in this subject then please email me and i will be more than willing to give full detailed answers - sam@alienationsam.com

Kind Regards - Sam Willey
kobie
QUOTE(Sam Willey @ Oct 30 2006, 03:54 PM) [snapback]1410032[/snapback]

I don't know to tell you the truth i am not a magician i have just seen very strange things! I have no idea why i see so many they just seem to keep coming if i knew the reason i would most certainly let you know.
How else would i have got the information? Keep in mind this incident took place in the 1940's i doubt Lt. Gorman is still around.
I have no idea but I should think quite dark.
I honestly don't know if Gorman were available to talk to it would be great but since he is probably dead i think it is not possible to get an answer to the above question.

Just a notice - I appreciate all the questions about my UFO sightings and can see there are many intrigued people here who want to know more about my Sightings and why i am seeing more UFO's but i do not think this is the correct thread to be doing this. The thread is meant for discussion on the Lt. Gorman case and is not about me and who i am. If you have any questions about me and why i am interested in this subject then please email me and i will be more than willing to give full detailed answers - sam@alienationsam.com

Kind Regards - Sam Willey


Well through very limited descriptions its hard to say what was seen but i do know this....this article was in a tabloid once...its just one of many similar accurances even to date.....that have been disregarded and archived away....i feel if the source of information and from various witnesses marry together we have hear a credible bit of evidence to an intelligently controlled craft which exceeds in todays technological development on aerodynamic travel......the description only leads one to believe that it is using some form of highly magnetized propulsion and high frequency power source which together would produce a bright luminous appearance and contain no transmittable sound....however the size would make one think it can turn its structure into a metamorphic state....this is certainly bending natural laws of physics as we know it....but as its current state would allow it to move in almost any direction....note it did not turn in 90`right angles.....


very good sam.......

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