I find it silly how some people say they don't believe in ufos. Ufo's have to exist. We aren't just talking about flying saucers, anything you can't identify is a ufo.
I wish people would get it right.

As much as I agree with you, shouldn't this be posted in Extra Terrestrial Life and the UFO Phenomenon forum?

Whoops wrong one.. lol.

Thats ridiculous. When someone says to you "go and get the hoover" do you say "its not a hoover, Hoover is a trademark, its called a vacuum cleaner".

Pedant.

Actually in my native country the device is referred to as a vacuum cleaner. AFAIK it is only in Britain this is referred to as a 'Hoover'. TheBoss is correct in the statement about UFO's.

Yours in upwardly spiralling pedantry,

Leonardo.

Nope. Wrong-o. As a culture we have come to know "UFO" as meaning "alien space ship", like "biro" means pen, like "hoover" means vacuum cleaner (in any country that speaks the proper english it does anyway).

BOOM, BACK AT CHA IN A PAINFULLY PEDANTIC STYLEE.

Sir MVxK,

I will refer you to the online dictionary link here.

While popular culture would have the reference imply an object of extraterrestrial origin TheBoss is correct in the simple definition being a flying object that is unidentified.

Once again,

Yours in pedantic partnership,

Leonardo (this is fun!)

If you are going to be really pedantic about it, the moment you can prove that a UFO is a space ship of extraterrestrial origin it is an identified object and, by definition, will stop being a UFO.

Hear that noise?? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME SMASHING MY EYES IN WITH A BRICK.

I agree. But if you can identify something,then you have identifed therefore it is not an Unidentifyed Flying Object!.

This one fell off track fast lol. lets see if I can get it back on track. There is something happening in or skies real or fictitious but never the less something is happening. What ever it is, wouldn't it be nice to know what it is and if nothing why are people going out of there way to hoax these objects and have done so for so long?

Its a flying saucer.

I never understood this statement, I seemt o see it come up often to justify that UFOs are extraterrestrial. People have far too much faith in humans. You can say the same for Sasquatch, or the Loch Ness monster...even if they do exist you have to agree that the majority of photographic and video evidence is fabricated.
When you say "Why do it?" I say "Why not?". I have a feeling most people want the attention, they're bored, or they just want to have fun with people who will accept it as fact at first glance.
Now I do believe in exraterrestrial life, it would be foolish not too, but as far as ETI visiting earth...on such a high frequency just does not seem very likley (not saying its impossible, just not very likley).

I like your answer footbeef. I think thats another problem with this topic , if some of there pictures are real they get lost with the fakes and like you said "on such a high frequency just does not seem very likely (not saying its impossible, just not very likely".

Technically anything you can't Identify would be Unidentified to you. However, the acronym UFO refers to a group of phenomena that defy conventional explanation and remain unidentified after investigation. That is to say that not everything YOU can't identify is going to be considered a UFO.

No this IS NOT a "Suck Up" - and in saying that - Wasp is right Ufo = UN-idnetified Flying Object -aka- Hey look, wth is that in the sky? The very minute we start to put a semi-to-specific name to "it" - we start to IDENTIFY it. Then as has been stated so many times, the burden of PROOF and EVIDENCE falls onto the person putting an ID to it.

This where so many questions, doubts, debates and heated dialogs start - when the ID is starting to be made. Because then one is left w/the no small challenge of PROVING their claim.

UFO sadily but true as started to be inplace of or meaning automatically AFO (Alien Flying Object). This also is where problems and challenges start - the challenge of proving it's 'alien' - from another planet or dimension.

The Burden of Proof is seriously NO SMALL CHALLENGE.

Do Ufo exist - yes -- not a problem and will continue to exist for a very very long time, no doubt.

Jj -

The "hoax these things.." is easy to answer:

#1 - Attention.
-- To see if they can get away with it.
-- To see people make "fools" of themselves.
-- To maybe make some money.
-- For the fun of it.
-- Desperate to 'force the issue' with government, if it will work. (It doesn't)

Those are just a few known reasons, why people fabricate the hoaxes and scams.

"it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide"

I hear what your saying but all the way back to when it first started? There are stories that go back to lets say Alexander the Great, Ancient Egypt and Christopher Columbus and Pedro Gutierrez in 1492. Now I dont know if any of these people did it for the reasons you have given but they seen something, was it what we have come to call ufos I dont know but.........

The KEY WORD: Stories <-- We have no clue what they saw, to be 100% honest. It's like another thread that was trying to show "UFO's" existed in ancient Egypt.

Till the hyroglyphics show exactly what was being 'said' in that sand script. Loaf of bread w/a mouth. Actually quite logical and yes IT does look like our version of a UFO. But as I posted on that thread - we HAVE to be CAREFUL NOT to see through Biased 21st Century eyes. Which happens only all to easily and quickly -

So do we know what was seen? No. We have a discription that through OUR EYES looks like "UFO" - but what was it?? We honestly do not know. We assume ... nothing more.

Oh and the piece:Click to view attachment

Jj -

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We know that UAP have been reported for centuries.

I think I read the tread your talking about and thats not what Im talking about that thread is coming to conclusions from drawings on a wall the thing im talking about is a description of what someone had seen, I just cant remember where I read that and seen it but im sure with a look around the net one can find it. When it comes to the other guys and the other old eyewitnesses stories they seen something in the skies thats what is the mystery for some have said they have seen what looked like a burning shields in the sky and the likes and that would be something that was in there times that they could relate too.