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Sorry, can't seem to get the link to work. The title is Cameras Show Army Recruiters Misleading Students.

ABC News sent student undercover to different recruiters. One example of misleading comments was that a recruiter told one applicant that there is such a thing as "Failure to Adapt Discharge, and that this was done at entry level so the record would be cleared as if nothing ever happened. Other lies were that the war was over and that new recruits weren't shipped over to any war zones.

Actually there is an entry level discharge that is used for people that cannot adapt to military lifestyle. It can be used in basic training and it does not effect a person like a dishonorable discharge.

The recruiter wasn't lying.

So if the person decides at a later date they would like to try and join the military agian they can?

It would depend on the situation that lead to the discharge in the first place. if someone is having so many problems adjusting to military life that they get an entry level discharge I doubt they would make it back in, but I do not know that is the case all of the time; I would imagine that people get a second chance if they chose to try...

Here you go.

Fixed Link <-- You had "http//" after "http://", which didn't belong there.

I'll watch it later. A bit too tired right now.

Here's an interesting quote though:



Filthy scumbags!

Thank you so much Zero of Deism!

You're welcome.

Any thoughts on the video?

EDIT: I suggest you edit your original post so others won't get confused.

Why wasn't this just added in with the other 'don't join' thread? Does there need to be two??

Because it's not similar enough to merge. This is discussion on a specific video.

Wait are people mad because the recruiters lied or are they mad because people are so stupid today that they need it to be spelled out that JOINING AN ARMY IS DANGEROUS!

Wow so weird that you would start this thread. I am steaming mad at a recruiter's lie to a kid I just met this Sunday.

21 year old orphan. His older brother (his aunt's son) dies last year. Kids got nobody and no direction in life. He lives in a quasi projects.

Recruiter told him "Hey you're lucky, since you are the Sole Survivor in your family you are exempt from getting sent to Iraq. You are the last of the your blood line."

Kid had taken the physical and was just about ready to sign up. I told him not to join. They lied.

Sole Survivor only applies if a member of your family died in service.

People shouldn't join anyway unless they really want to serve. My recruiter was a scumbag. I signed for the enlistment bonus pay and he made copies showing that i didn't. The A-hole robbed me of $2000 or whatever it was back then.

I am over whelmed with the patriotic nature of the comments. Evertbody should join the army to get paid thats what its there for. Who needs morals and sense of duty, you can't spend either.

Without morals and a sense of duty, a soldier isn't going to be trusted by any of his team.

I joined the australiuan defence force when i was 17. I did the 7weeks basic training in Kapooka(NSW). I found it an awesome challenge but once the basic training was over i quit. Becasue ultimately you are just a dog taking orders, and you often wonder how serving politcians dark agendas or obvious stupidity serves one's country.
Also it made me think. We are trained to remain effective and coolheaded while engaed in the murdering(or killing if you prefer) of people we have no personal quarrel. It is just sick and disgusting.
Alot of people who say they are willinging "to serve their country" by joining up just want an excuse to do combat. Others just want a career and hope no war comes. Others do it soley for the money and there are many other reasons according to the individual.
I found many of what we would call rednecks joined up. They are scary because they truly see killing others as a means of achieving peaceful ends, one of them even told me that it was 'Blasphame against my country" because I didnt know the words to the national anthem!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
In world war 1 and 2 most australians who went to war didnt do so "to sacrifice for their country" but did so because australia was such a **EDIT** that europe or wherever else seemed like an adventure or escape out of australia.

Patriotism and Nationalism is very ignorant because we all come from the same planet. Also I'm sick of idiots saying how many peope died for our flag when they see intelligent activists or protesters burning it. IT'S JUST A FLAG!!! OUR FOREFATHERS DIED FOR OUR FREEDOM INCLUDING THE FREEDOM TO BURN THE FLAG IF WE SO WISH!!! NO ONE DIES FOR A "FLAG" BUT FOR IDEALS OR SURVIVAL.
IM NOT PROUD TO BE AUSTRALIAN, MY PARENTS SIMPLY [b]**EDIT** ON A PIECE OF LAND MASS WHICH AT THE TIME WAS CALLED AUSTRALIA. WHAT IS THERE TOBE PROUD OF IN THAT???????????[/b]

Sorry i went off topic, i just had to get that off my chest

**Brave New World, please read the PM I am sending you**

Exactly. When they say jump, you say "How how?". That's one of the main reasons I dislike the military. I honestly do not think the president or anyone else cares about the soldiers as much as they say they do. They just want people to go out and do the dirty work for them. If someone dies, oh well.. we get more... By lying to them.

Anyone who condones the burning of their national colors is an idiot. Anyone who doesn't understand the principles behind a chain of command is an idiot. Anyone who doesn't know that joining the army is going to be about taking orders you don't like usually from people you don't like is, yes you guessed it an idiot. Since you are in australia I'll make this point to you about your history. People there would be speaking Japanese today if your ancestors hadn't gone and had their little "adventure". To disrespect their memory with your ignorance is typical of the under educated and ignorant self loving half wits that feel they have a right to an opinion. You have that priviledge because other people who were quit obviously more brave than you are laid down their lives to preserve it. Of course leaders don't care about one individual to the next, their too busy worrying about everybody all at once. And guess what sometimes when people try to do what is right they get hurt. But at least they try and improve the situation, instead of looking the other way. Being a good person and helping others who don't have a direct connection to you (ie:family and friends) is a tuff way to go, I guess thats why there are so few of us. I guess most people would rather sit on the side lines safe and sound and watch innocents be hurt or killed.

We all knew that already... Which is why we pointed it out and said we didn't like it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Good one man!

The flag is just a symbol, start taking symbols or words too seriously and what do you end up with?? Duty verses sadism or even worse sadism done as duty.
I really dont care whether I would have been speaking japanese or english. I couldn;t care less because it is only a language. What fundamental difference does it make whether i speak japanese or enlgish as my form of communication?? Australia does not have a proud herritage. It is tainted with much racism such as White policy/slaughtering of aboriginals. Why should I be proud pf that?
A person is a person is person. What difference whether american, australian or russian??
I ask for people to die for their beliefs but not kill for them. I dont disrespect what our grandfathers did in the world wars. Infact my own grandfather on my father's side went to Papa New Guinea in world war 2. He fought so that young australians can always express themselves, including if it involves the artistic expression of burning the flag. The day we outlaw burning the flag is the day we outlaw democracy and that is not what our grandfathers fought for. Peace can never be won through war, violence begets violence always. World war one the "war to end all wars" gave birth to world war two and then we had the cold war and so on and so on on and so on.

But you stated it like it was a big shock. And I feel sorry for someone who doesn't know the first thing about Japanese culture. Do you know how the Japanese rate other races. Of course you don't. They rate everyone else by their distance from mount Fuji. The farther away you are the less consideration you deserve. You and I would not be considered even a little bit worthy of even addressing a Japanese person if they had won the war and taken over everything. In order to say something to someone who was japanese we would first have to be invited to reply then go between someone closer in status like someone from Korea or China. By their code even talking the japanese language would be an insult. Don't kid yourself here, if the Japanese had the nuke and won the war and not the US they would not have been so abliging as the Americans were. They would have gladly put their boot to our backs. I'll bet you would not like that situation at all. The fact that you don't know enough by now to know that burning a countries flag is not artistic tells me that you are either very young or pulling my chain. Only someone who is young and hasn't lived very much would be so out of touch with the basic principles of respecting the past. You me everyone is literally nothing without the past. We had to get here somehow didn't we. You say your grandfather fought which obviously makes you proud, then you disrespect his memory and say its okay to burn the flag he fought under. A flag is just a piece of silk youngin, its a symbol of pride and the greatness of a nation. Its a unifing symbol that can be recognized by all. The fact that democracy allows you to burn a flag doesn't mean its anywhere close to alright to do so. It shows a lack of character to do something like that, and its usually perpertrated by people who don't really know the symbolism of a burning flag. Do you know what a burning flag symbolizes?