QUOTE(Leonardo @ Nov 7 2006, 07:13 PM) [snapback]1417913[/snapback]
Are you able to tell the difference between your dreams (as in sleep or day-dreaming) and what you experience when you are awake?
BTW that's a direct question, not a philosophical, rhetorical question.
As a matter of fact sometimes no. Let me answer this directly. Sometimes when I dream it seems so real that I take it for waking life, I get sacred like I do in real life, I learn as I do in real life, have sexual experiences as I do in "real" life. Also Where I view the waking life and the dream life is in the same place(visual anyway) the visual cortex. The only difference why I call one "real" and one "dream" is because of thought and belief. It is only (conditioned)belief and thought that makes me think one is real and the other imaginary. If this thought were not rooted in and conditioned where would the distinction be??? Seeing a lounge in your living room is an much as idea as thinking of a fantasy. In day dreams also I can get highly absorbed and find I lose myself and forget one reality for the other. Even the brain in which we percieve things with the 5 senses is nothing but an idea and this idea can only be known through awareness which is perception/consciousness. How can we prove that one state of mind is more real than the other??? How can we prove anything unless we are aware and conscious of the situation in order to theorize about it??? If let's say I took the faculty of consciousness away from you, do you think you'd be able to write an essay on atoms??? The whole world isn't percieved with the eyes but
inthe visual cortex of the brain only afew cubic centimetres of volume of the brain.We need consciousness to know we have a brain where we percieve it in. So How does the infinite universe and all the miles and miles of sky andland around you fit in the brain???
Here are some clever writings about what I mean
R.L.Gregory:
We are so familiar with seeing, that it takes a leap of
imagination to realise that there are problems to be solved. But consider it. We are given tiny distorted upside-down images in the eyes, and we see separate objects in surrounding space. From the patterns of simulation on the retinas we percieve the world of objects, and
this is nothing short of a miracle.
B.Russel and L. Wittgeinstein: For instance, whether a lemon truly exists or not and how it came to exist cannot be questioned or investigated. A lemon consists merely of a taste sensed by the tongue, and odor sensed by the nose, a colour and shape sensed by the eye; and
onlythese features can it be subject to examination and assessment.
Science can never know the physical world.
R.L.Gregory: There is a temptation, which must be avoided, to say that the eyes produce pictures in the brain. A picture in the brain suggests the need of some kind of internal eye to see it-but this would need a further eye to see its picture....and so on in an endless regress of eyes and pictures. This is absurd.
LEONARDO YOU'LL LOVE THIS ONE
Since the Greeks, philosophers have been thinking about the "ghost in the machine", "the small man within the small man" etc WHERE is "I", the person who uses his brain? Who is it that realises the act of knowing?[b] As Saint Francis of Assisi said "What we search for is the one that sees."
-------Karl Pibram(very famous scientist

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Sorry dude I get carried away, but i love a stimualting debate.