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crystal sage
http://www.labyrinthina.com/ica.htm

"Dr. Cabrera showed me his immense collection of ancient carved Stones that he called “gliptoliths.” The Stones comprise a sophisticated library left behind by an ancient lost civilization including images of medical transplants and blood transfusions, men with dinosaurs, and advanced technology such as telescopes and surgical equipment. The library is organized by subject matter including the races of man, ancient animals, lost continents, and the knowledge of a global catastrophe.

The doctor had spent the past thirty years endeavoring to decode the mystery of the stones. He came into possession of his first stone when he was given one as a paperweight for his birthday. He recalled his father having a small oddly carved stone that his family found in their field in the l930's, but which has long since disappeared. Early Spanish chronicles reported similar stones found in ancient pre-conquest tombs. "


thumbsup.gif The link between dinasaurs and reptillians...
crystal sage
THERE ARE EXPLORERS who believe in the possibility that some dinosaurs somehow survived extinction 60 million years ago and continue to live in isolated, largely unexplored areas of African rain forest. The only evidence for their existence, however, are stories told by natives of the region who claim to have seen such fantastic creatures. Perhaps new expeditions to these remote areas will someday find better, harder evidence, if there's any to be found.
But what if there were already better evidence that at least some dinosaurs had survived long enough to coexist with humans? Evidence better than just stories. What if early humans had actually etched pictures of dinosaurs on rock faces. That would constitute pretty good proof, wouldn't it?

Such rocks exist.

http://paranormal.about.com/cs/ancientanom.../a/aa041904.htm

http://members.cox.net/icastones/
hazzard
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But what if there were already better evidence that at least some dinosaurs had survived long enough to coexist with humans? Evidence better than just stories.


This is the closest to a living dinosaur we have. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodile
crystal sage
http://www.s8int.com/dinolit1.html

http://www.creationists.org/dinos_artifacts_and_art.html


http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r100799k.shtml

There is another perception as to the origin of the reptilian beings and that is that they are true "Terrans." Having evolved from the dinosaurs that escaped the climatological disasters on the surface of the planet (brought about some 65 million years ago by a asteroid-Earth impact) by going into the underworld of caves and caverns. After having millions of years in which to adapt to their new underground environment and evolve into a highly intelligent species, they are said to have become a technologically advanced species that overseers and manipulates surface humans.

For the past hundred years, scientific institutions have told us that all dinosaurs became extinct and that talk of their survival was pure rubbish. Modern paleontology has, however, turned the tables on their predecessors and now openly state that because of various advances in hereditary tracking methods, they believe that some dinosaurs may have, in fact, survived the asteroid impact of 65 million years ago and continue to live to this day.

To our knowledge, it is the only such scientific report that exists.) Dale Russell, senior paleontologist of Northern Carolina University, was contracted by NASA to extrapolate an image of what extraterrestrial life might resemble. In his report (Exponential Evolution: Implications for Intelligent Extraterrestrial Life, Adv. Space Research 1983), he "evolved" the dinosaur Troodon according to the natural evolution of its own body type and created a model of a being he called "Dino-sauroid." This model reptilian (that had a quite striking resemblance to a reptilian-human) of "Dino-sauroid" was then presented in his report to NASA as an example of what ET life might look like. Remarkably, this image is almost identical to those that are described by experiencers.
crystal sage
- I.D.'S

As Inner or Ultra-dimensional beings, the reptilians are thought to have originated from a neighboring frequency dimension we might recognize as the realm of the Dead (the location to which our soul matrix goes to upon death), also called Devechan (the Hindu region of the in-between or afterlife.)

The atoms that comprise the Inner dimensional reptilian beings' physical bodies are spinning at a different rate than our own and the frequency of the spin is outside normal human visual perception. Just as the frequency matrix of a human soul can remain in our dimension and be perceived as ghosts, reptilian beings inhabit the same frequency region as do spirits or ghosts, but are able to materialize their forms into the third "dense" dimension to physically interact with "living" humans.

This transfer from fourth to third dimension and back was, for a time, not easy for them to do. (Some people believe that the reports of "rains" of frogs, rocks, fish etc. that were recorded in the later half of the eighteen hundreds [Later written about by author Charles Forte] were early attempts by reptilian scientists to send inanimate and animate life forms through the dimensional barrier that divided the two frequency realms.)

After the first atomic atmospheric test was conducted over the desert floor of New Mexico in the early 1940's, the resulting Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) permanently split the dimensional barrier open in that one area. And, through this newly formed dimensional portal, the military-scientific industrial complex of the reptilians race poured forth in their craft and began to occupy the third dimension in force. (Every consecutive atmospheric nuclear detonation that has since occurred may have created other "Portals of Entry") (Note: Fraternal orders of practicing magicians or priests [not simple illusionists] are also accredited for initiating contact with inanimate reptilian beings living in their natural "astral" state by opening dimensional portals with focused thought form energy.)

Some ultra dimensional beings are thought to be able to reside in the deepest levels of the underworld for indefinite periods of time because the deep rock shielding and proximity to the center of the Earth require densified matter around the frequency shell of a conscious being. These non-physical inner Earth reptilians are also considered Astral Intelligences, Fallen Angels or Demons of the Underworld (Hell).

The question often arises as to whether or not the Inner Dimensional reptilians have always been from this "other side?" It is certainly possible they once lived in our third dimension as beings of physical matter and that during a global conflict (probably with the Elder race or Elohim) they were "killed" in battle and displaced into the fourth dimension, trying ever since to return to their third dimensional realm.

It has also been suggested that from this astral state, they have managed to provoke humans into warfare and situations of stress and fear to extract various auric (emotional) frequencies for their own purposes. Through the highly suggestive human consciousness, these negatively charged reptilian "energy leeches" or "psychic vampires", orchestrate and feast off situations of genocide, global conflict, drug usage (amphetamines, cocaine, "uppers", etc.), sexual perversions and the wholesale slaughter of animal life (cattle, poultry, swine etc.) This particular aspect of the reptilian non-physicality is quite extensive and will not be addressed completely in this report. Other related issues (that are addressed in the book) are: Psychology of the inner mind (archetypes), human evolution, frequency vibrations, human perceptions, thought forms and experiencer reports (to name a few.)

http://www.dragonrest.net/fortfiles/falls.html


In August, 1804 near Toulouse, France, a "tremendous number of little toads, one to two months old...were seen to fall from a great thick cloud that appeared suddenly in a sky that had been cloudless". On July 12, 1873, as reported in Scientific American, "A shower of frogs which darkened the air and covered the ground for a long distance is the reported result of a recent rainstorm at Kansas City, Mo." Rain seems to regularly accompany little frogs when they plummet from the sky as the following reports demonstrate; "Little frogs found in London, after a heavy storm, July 30, 1838.". "Little toads found in a desert, after a rainfall" (no date given). The Appenines saw a fall of tiny toads along with twigs and leaves during a storm on July 4, 1883. (pages 81-82) London newspapers reported that on August 17,1921 innumerable little frogs appeared during a thunderstorm in the northern part of London.(page 545) Elsewhere, one small green frog was found frozen in a piece of hail by "a respectable farmer, of undoubted veracity" (place and date not given). Another such instance occurred when the foreman of the Novelty Iron Works in Dubuque, Iowa, stated that "... in two large hailstones melted by him were found small living frogs." Similar accounts occurred in which "many small frogs and 'pieces of half-melted ice'" fell along with fish (pages 183-184). On July 31, 1921 a shower of little frogs fell on Anton Wagner's farm near Stirling, Connecticutt. It was reported in Symons' Meteorological Magazine that on June 30, 1892, there was a fall of frogs near Birmingham, England. An additional bit of weirdness in this instance is that the little frogs were described as "almost white"(emphasis mine)(page 83). On March 21, 1925, in the Transvaal a Mr.C.J.Grewar saw "...springboks leaping and shaking themselves unaccountably. At a distance, Mr.Grewar could concieve of no explanation of such eccentricities. He investigated, and saw that a rain of little frogs and fishes had pelted the springboks. Mr.Grewar heard that some time before, at that same place, there had been a similar shower."(pages 544-545) In Strasbourg on August 2, 1889, there was a fall of little toads. In the London Daily News of September 5,1922, there is an account of "little toads, which for two days had been dropping from the sky, at Chalon-sur-Saône, France" (page 546)

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Fish and Other Water Denizens

Fish and other water denizens have fallen from the sky. This flies in the face of logic (pun intended) but has indeed occurred if the reports are to be believed.

"The best known fall of fishes from the sky is that which occurred at Mountain Ash, in the Valley of Abedere, Glamorganshire, Feb.11, 1859." As reported in the Zoologist "In the issue of 1859-6493, (appears) a letter from the Rev.John Griffith, vicar of Abedare, asserting that a fall had occurred, chiefly upon the property of Mr.Nixon, of Mountain Ash. Upon page 6540, Dr.Gray, of the British Museum, bristling with exclusionism, writes that some of these fishes, which had been sent to him alive, were 'very young minnows.' He says :'On reading the evidence, it seems to me most probably only a practical joke: that one of Mr.Nixon's employees had thrown a pailful of water upon another, who had thought fish in it had fallen from the sky' .
Those fishes---still alive---were exhibited at the Zoological Gardens, Regent's Park. The Editor (of the Zoologist) says that one was a minnow and the rest were sticklebacks. He says that Dr.Gray's explanation was no doubt right. But upon page 6564, he publishes a letter from another correspondent, who apologizes for opposing 'so high an authority as Dr.Gray,' but says that he had obtained some of these fishes from persons who lived at a considerable distance apart, or considerably out of range of the playful pail of water. According to the Annual Register, 1859-14, the fishes themselves had fallen by pailfuls.
...Ten minutes later another fall of fishes occurred upon this same narrow strip of land (80 yards long and 12 yards wide). ....In the London Times, March 2,1859, is a letter from Mr.Aaron Roberts, curate of St.Peter's, Carmathon. In this letter the fishes are said to have been about four inches long, but there is some question of species. I think, myself, that they were minnows and sticklebacks. Some persons, thinking them to be sea fishes, placed them in salt water, according to Mr.Roberts. 'The effect is stated to have been almost instantaneous death. Some were placed in fresh water. These seemed to thrive well. As to narrow distribution, we are told that the fishes fell 'in and about the premises of Mr.Nixon. It was not observed at the time that any fish fell in any other part of the neighborhood, save in the particular spot mentioned. In the London Times, March 10,1859, Vicar Griffith writes an account: 'The roofs of some houses were covered with them.' In this letter it is said that the largest fishes were five inches long, and that these did not survive the fall.'
Report of the British Association,1859--158: 'The evidence of the fall of fish on this occasion was very conclusive. A specimen of the fish was exibited and was found to be the Gasterosteus leirus.' The Gasterosteus is the stickleback.
Altogether I think we have not a sense of total perdition, when we're damned with the explanation that someone soused someone else with a pailful of water in which were thousands of fishes four or five inches long, some of which covered roofs of houses, and some of which remained ten minutes in the air." (pages 83-85)


An interesting observation of Fort's was a pattern in the geography and dates of some falls of fish. This is as follows: " Meerut, India, July, 1824 (Living Age 52-186); Fifeshire, Scotland, summer of 1824 (Wernerian Nat.Hist.Soc.Trans. 5-575); Moradabad, India, July,1826 (Living Age, 52---186); Ross-shire, Scotland, 1828 (Living Age 52-186); Moradabad, India, July 20, 1829 (Lin.Soc.Trans., 16-764) ; Perthshire, Scotland (Living Age, 52-186); Argyleshire, Scotland, March 9, 1830 (Recreative Science, 3-339);Feridpoor, Indi, Feb.19, 1830 (Jour.Asiatic Soc.of Bengal, 2-650)."
The fish falls of India often accompanied torrential rains and it was suggested that the fish littering the ground were the result of flooding rather than falling...however, while this may be true in some cases, in others there are further mitigating facts that undermine this theory.; " After a 'tremendous deluge of rain, one of the heaviest falls on record' (All the Year Round, 8-255) at Rajkote, India, July 25, 1850, 'the ground was found literally covered with fishes.' The word 'found' is agreeable to the repulsions of conventionalists and their concept of an overflowing stream---but, according to Dr.Buist, some of these fishes were 'found' on the tops of haystacks. Ferrel (A Popular Treatise, p.414) tells of a fall of living fishes---some of them having been placed in a tank, where they survived---that occurred in India, about 20 miles south of Calcutta, Sept.20, 1839. A witness of this fall says: 'The most strange thing which ever struck me was that the fish did not fall helter-skelter, or here and there, but they fell in a straight line, not more than a cubit in breadth.'" In the American Journal of Science it was reported that "...according to testimony taken before a magistrate, a fall occurred, Feb.19, 1830, near Feridpoor, India, of many fishes, of various sizes---some whole and fresh and others 'mutilated and putrefying.' Our reflex to those who would say that, in the climate of India, it would not take long for fishes to putrefy, is ---that high in the air, the climate of India is not torrid. Another peculiarity of this fall is that some of the fishes were much larger than others....In the Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal, 2-650, depositions of witnesses are given: 'Some of the fish were fresh, but others were rotten and without heads.' 'Among the number which I got, five were fresh and the rest stinking and headless.' According to Dr.Buist, some of these fishes weighed one and a half pounds each and others three pounds. ...A fall of fishes at Futtepoor, India, May 16, 1833: 'They were all dead and dry.'"
"A correspondent writes, from the Dove Marine Laboratory, Cuttercoats, England, that , at Hindon, a suburb of Sunderland, Aug.24,1918, hundreds of small fishes, identified as sand eels, had fallen---Again the small area: about 60 by 30 yards. The fall occurred during a heavy rain that was accompanied by thunder ---or indications of disturbance aloft ---but by no visible lightning. ...According to witnesses, the fall upon this small area occupied ten minutes. 'The fish were all dead, and indeed stiff and hard, when picked up, immediately after the occurrence.'" (pages 83--88)
In Holland on June 13, 1889, there was a fall of fishes. A Virginia newspaper reported that in 1853 , in Norfolk, Virginia (my hometown!), there was a fall of fish. These were said to be catfish measuring about a foot long. They were accompanied by hail in their plunge to earth. On June 30, 1841, fish (one measuring ten inches) fell on Boston and, eight days later, fish and ice fell on Derby. "In Timb's Year Book, 1842-275, it is said that, at Derby, the fishes had fallen in enormous numbers; from half an inch to two inches long, and some considerably larger. In the Athenaeum, 1841-542, copied from the Sheffield Patriot, it is said that one of the fishes weighed three ounces. In several accounts, it is said that, with the fishes fell many small frogs and 'pieces of half-melted ice.'...In the London Times, July 15, 1841, it is said that the fishes were sticklebacks; that they had fallen with ice and small frogs, many of which had survived the fall. We note that, at Dumfermline, three months later (Oct.7, 1841) fell many fishes, several inches in length, in a thunderstorm.(London Times, Oct.12, 1841)" (pages 183-185). In the Philadelphia Public Ledger of August 8, 1891, there is a report of " ---a great shower of fishes, at Seymour, Ind. They were unknown fishes. " Also, in the Public Ledger is the following : "Feb.6, 1890 ---a shower of fishes in Montgomery County, California. 'The fishes belong to a species altogether unknown here.'"
As reported in La Science Pour Tous: on February 16, 1861 there was an earthquake in Singapore. "Then came an extraordinary downpour of rain ---or as much water as any good-sized lake would consist of. For three days this rain or this fall of water came down in torrents. In pools on the ground, formed by this deluge, great numbers of fishes were found. The writer says that he had, himself, seen nothing but water fall from the sky. Whether I'm emphasizing what a deluge it was or not, he says that so terrific had been the downpour that he had not been able to see three steps away from him. The natives said that the fishes had fallen from the sky (emphasis mine). Three days later the pools dried up and many dead fishes were found, but, in the first place...the fishes had been active and uninjured. ...The writer of the account says that some of the fishes had been found in his courtyard, which was surrounded by high walls ---paying no attention to this, a correspondent (La Science Pour Tous, 6-317) explains that in a heavy rain a body of water had probably overflowed, carrying fishes with it. We are told by the first writer that these fishes of Singapore were of a species that was very abundant near Singapore....An account of the occurrence at Singapore was read by M.de Castelnau, before the French Academy. M.de Castelnau recalled that, upon a former occasion, he had submitted to the Academy the circumstance that fishes of a new species had appeared at the Cape of Good Hope, after an earthquake." (pages 244-245) "The most notable apperance of fishes during an earthquake is that of Riobamba. Humboldt sketched one of them, and it's an uncanny-looking thing. Thousands of them appeared upon the ground during this tremendous earthquake. Humboldt says that they were cast up from subterranean sources. I think not myself..."
An incident occurred at Peru "...on the bank of a river, in Peru, Feb.4, 1871, a meteorite fell. 'On the spot, it is reported, several dead fishes were found, of different species.' The attempt to correlate is ---that the fishes 'are supposed to have been lifted out of the river and dashed against the stones'. Whether this is imaginable of not depends upon each one's own hypnoses." In Nature, it was suggested "That the fishes had fallen among the fragments of the meteorite." (page 303) In the small town of Chico in California, rocks were falling regularly from cloudy skies. The New York Times reported that in August, 1878, a large number of small fish fell from a cloudless sky. These fish covered a store's roof and streets over an area of several acres. (page 545)
In the London Daily Mail of October 6, 1921, there is a report by Major Harding Cox which "...tells of an appearance of fishes that is ...mysterious. A pond near his house had been drained, and the mud had been scraped out. It was dry from July to November, when it was re-filled. In the Following May, this pond teemed with tench. One day, 37 of them were caught. Almost anybody, interested, will try to explain in terms of spawn carried by winds, or in mud on the feet of water birds, but ...Major Cox, who is a well-known writer, probably reviewed all conventional explanations, but still he was mystified. There would not be so much of the interesting in this story, were it not for his statement that never before had tench been caught in this pond." (emphasis mine). A similar incident was reported in the American Journal of Science. In this case "a correspondent tells of a ditch that had been dug on his farm, near Cambridge, Maryland. It was in ground that was a mile from any body of water. The work was interrupted by rain, which fell for more than a week. Then, in the rain water that filled the ditch, were found hundreds of perch, of two species. The fishes could not have developed from spawn, in so short a time: they were from four to seven inches long. But there was, here, marksmanship that strikes my attention. Nothing is said of dead fishes lying upon the ground, at the sides of the ditch: hundreds of perch arrived from somewhere, exactly in this narrow streak of water. There could have been nothing so scattering as a 'shower.' Accept this story, and it looks as if to a new body of water, vibrating perhaps with the needs of vacancy, there was response somewhere else, and that, with accuracy, hundreds of fishes were teleported. " (page 595).
The London Times reported on April 19, 1836 that on May 16 or 17 in 1834, a "fall of fish ...occurred in the neighborhood of Allahabad, India. It is said that the fish were of the chalwa species, about a span in length and a seer in weight...they were dead and dry. ...I incline, myself, to the acceptance that they were not fish, but slender, fish-shaped objects ...it is said that, whatever they were, they could not be eaten: 'in the pan, they turned to blood.'" (pages 42--43)
As a truly bizarre afternote to all these falling fish, is the report that follows: "In the Annual Record of Science,1873-350, it is said that, in 1873, after a heavy thunderstorm in Louisiana, a tremendous number of fish scales were found, for a distnace of forty miles, along the banks of the Mississippi River: bushels of them were picked up in a single place: large scales that were said to be of the gar fish, a fish that weighs from five to fifty pounds."(page 301).
Fish are not the only water-breathing creatures to plummet from the sky as the following incidents illustrate.
"I have received letters upon strange appearances of living things in tanks of rain water that seemed inaccessible except to falls from the sky. Mr.Edward Foster, of Montego Bay, Jamaica, B.W.I., has told me of crayfishes that were found in a cistern of rain water at Port Antonio, Jamaica.
The New York Sun on May 29, 1892, reported that "---a shower, at Coalburg, Alabama, of an enormous number of eels that were unknown in Alabama. Somebody said that he knew of such eels, in the Pacific Ocean. Piles of them in the streets ---people alarmed---farmers coming with carts, and taking them away for fertilizing material."(page 546) " In the New York Times, Nov.30, 1930, a correspondent tells of mysterious appearances of eels in old moats and in mountain tarns, which had no connection with rivers. Eels can travel over land, but just how they rate as mountain climbers, I don't know."(page 595).
"According to Das Wetter, December, 1892, upon Aug.9, 1892, a yellow cloud appeared over Paderborn, Germany. From this cloud, fell a torrential rain, in which were hundreds of mussels."(page 93).
"In May 28, 1881, something truly odd occurred near Worchester. "In Land and Water, June 4, 1881, a correspondent writes that, in a violent thunderstorm, near Worcester, tons of periwinkles had come down from the sky, covering fields and a road, for about a mile. ...In the Worcester Daily Times, May 30, it is said that, upon the 28th, news had reached Worcester of a wonderful fall from the sky of periwinkles on Cromer Gardens Road, and spread far around in fields and gardens. Mostly, people of Worcester were incredulous, but some had gone to the place. Those who had faith returned with periwinkles. ...Mr.J.Lloyd Bozward, a writer whose notes on meteorological subjects are familiar to readers of scientific periodicals of this time, was investigating, and his findings were published in the Worcester Evening Post, June 9th. ...He says that a wide area on both sides of the road was strewn with periwinkles, hermit crabs, and small rabs of an unascertained species. Worcester is about 30 miles from the mouth of the River Severn, or,say, about 50 miles from the sea....Mr.Bozward says :'Neither upon Saturday, the 28th, nor Friday, the 27th, was there such a thing procurable in Worcester as a live perwinkle.' Gardens as well as fields were strewn. There were high walls around these gardens. Mr.Bozward tells of about 10 sacks of periwinkles, of a value of about 20 pounds, in the markets of Worcester, that , to his knowledge, had been picked up. Crowds had filled pots and pans and bags and trunks before he got to the place. 'In Mr.Maud's garden, two sacks were filled with them.' It is his conclusion that the things fell from the sky during the thunderstorm."(pages 548--550)



crystal sage
http://www.answers.com/topic/reptilian-humanoid


Mythological references to reptilian humanoids

The Last Judgement (detail) by Hieronymus Bosch, after 1482Several ancient peoples all over the world have described reptilian beings, and some have described reptilian humanoids. Common in numerous mythologies are tales of reptilian creatures (usually not humanoid) who are often, but not always, hostile to human beings. Also rather common are the myths of "Serpents of Wisdom" who enlightened humanity before the dawn of civilization; but it has been noted by a few mythologists that here "serpent" may only have been used to symbolize strangeness.

In the Book of Genesis, God punishes the serpent for giving Eve the apple by decreeing, "Upon thy belly thou shalt go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of your life" (Genesis 3:14 KJV), implying that it had legs before then. It is therefore often portrayed in Western art as a humanoid (woman) with a snake's tail, and sometimes lizard-like feet, as in a detail from Bosch's Last Judgement. In the Middle Ages down to modern times, the Devil was often conceived as a humanoid with reptilian characteristics, as were demons in general.

The Americas
The Toltec Mayan god Gucumatz was described as a "serpent of wisdom" who enlightened humankind. His Aztec counterpart was named Quetzalcoatl. In the Yucatan, he is called Kukulcan.

The Hopi refer to a race of reptoids called the Sheti, or "Snake-Brothers", who live underground. The Cherokee and other Native American peoples also refer to reptoid races.

In pre-columbian mythology from Colombia, Bachue (the primordial woman) transformed into a big snake. She is also sometimes called the "Celestial Snake" (Serpiente Celestial).


Europe
Cecrops, the legendary first King of Athens was said to have been half man, half snake. The ancient Titans and Gigantes were sometimes depicted as winged man-like beings with serpents instead of legs, for example on a fresco on a temple in Pergamum. In these images from Pergamum, some of which depict the gigantomachy, one sees the giant Klyteios with huge serpents in place of legs.[2]

Boreas (Aquilon to the Romans) was the Greek god of the cold north wind, described by Pausanias as a winged man with serpents for legs.[3]

The European dragon dates back to ancient depictions on various archaeological artifacts. An early instance in literature was the dragon that guarded the Golden Fleece in the Voyage of the Argonauts. In the Middle Ages, tales of dragons seem to have become even more common. The dragon in Europe, as a rule, was not conceived as having a humanoid form, and would not qualify as an instance of a reptilian humanoid unless explicitly described as humanoid.


India
In Indian scriptures and legends the Naga (Devnagri: नाग) are reptilian beings said to live underground and interact with human beings on the surface. In some versions, these beings were said to have once lived on a continent in the Indian Ocean that sank beneath the waves. Indian texts also refer to a reptilian race called the "Sarpa" (Devnagri: सर्प). The Syrictæ (Greek : Skiritai, Latin: Sciritae) of India were a tribe of men with snake-like nostrils in place of noses and bandy serpentine legs.


East Asia
The Chinese, Korean and Japanese speak throughout their history of Lóng (Yong in Korean, Ryu in Japanese) or dragons, conceived of in both physical and non-physical forms, but rarely depicted in humanoid form, though they may assume a non-reptilian human form.[4] The Japanese have tales of Kappa, a basically reptilian humanoid.

In China, Korea and Japan, underwater realms where the Dragon Kings and their descendants live are referred to, as well as the lineage of humans from a race of dragons. This lineage was often claimed by Asian Emperors, who were believed to be able to change from human to dragon form at will, much like the modern concept of shapeshifting reptilians. However, the dragon is seen as good rather than evil in Eastern tradition.[5]


Middle East
In the Middle East, reptilian beings ranging from certain Jinn to dragons and serpent-men have been spoken of since ancient times. In one of the apocryphal books purporting to be the lost Book of Jasher, a serpent race is described.





Africa
In Africa, some shamans according to David Icke claim to bear extensive esoteric knowledge of a race of reptilians called the Chitahuri, whom they say control the Earth. They also claim to have accounts of a reptilian race who created them and used them to work their gold mines (extremely similar to the accounts allegedly described in the Sumerian tablets).

The ancient Egyptian god Sobek was portrayed as a man with the head of a crocodile.


Modern claims
Even in modern times, some claim to have encountered reptilian humanoids. In many of these cases, a UFO is part of the encounter; alien abduction narratives sometimes allege contact with reptilian creatures.

crystal sage
http://www.holloworbs.com/Japanese_Cavern_Worlds.htm

Japanese legends of serpent/dragon and human marraiges, seductions, and liaisons abound.
Sometimes the offspring of such unions were said to be either more human-like or more
reptilian in nature or appearance. Such shapeshifting dragon-beings, appearing as beautiful men
and women, would walk into the life of prominent samurai, warlords, or other notables, obtain
the desired genetic influx, and then depart. Occasionally the offspring of such unions would be
left in the surface, or human,world; the dragon-person would return to his or her abode in
caverns beneath the mountains or under the sea.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
David Icke=Crazy. Yes he is.
crystal sage
http://www.globalheritagefund.org/news/GHF...an_feb_2005.asp

STONE TEMPLE SECRETS

In Peru 3,000 years ago, priests sent their followers into a bizarre undergound maze. John Rick reveals what happened down there.

By Tyler Bridges
Stanford Magazine
Publication Date: Jan/Feb

What Lies Beneath

The face staring back at the team of Stanford archaeologists was ghastly and wonderful. It bore fangs, a serpent tongue and an exaggerated smile with a hint of malevolence. A rectangle of granite carved some 2,500 years ago, it had been excavated after weeks of effort by the Stanford team, who now planned to remove it for study and safekeeping

They have discovered burial platforms and ceremonial plazas and expanded the excavation of an intriguing maze of underground galleries. Their analysis has helped solidify understanding of Chavín de Huántar’s role as a cultural and religious center of influence that predates the Incas by more than two millenia. This site is at least 2,500 years older than Peru’s most famous archaeological wonder, Machu Picchu, built by the Incas in the 1400s. Some archaeologists compare Chavín to Sumer in Mesopotamia because of its profound influence on later civilizations. Indeed, says Rick, the Chavín were instrumental in the development of complex societies in South America.

A short walk over a small hill brings you within sight of the ruins—though there isn’t a lot to see at first glance. In the distance is the grassy Square Plaza. Closer to the entrance are the seven massive mounds that have been found at Chavín, including old and newer temple arrangements built over a span of 500 to 1,000 years. Impressive, crumbling walls are visible, along with what’s left of a staircase that led up to what was originally a four-story-high structure. Beneath the temples lies a labyrinth of dim, narrow and exotically named passageways— Gallery of the Madman, Gallery of the Bats, Gallery of the Offerings.

When Rick began working at Chavín 10 years ago, much was unknown about the site. Mapping and dating Chavín’s various structures had proven challenging because later inhabitants had built on top of the original Chavín architecture, often using similar materials. Previous researchers had used tape measures and rulers to determine the size and shape of the buildings and underground galleries, but the results were incomplete and speculative. Silvia Kembel, one of Rick’s archaeology graduate students, had identified “construction seams” within individual galleries—points where newer stones had been placed next to older ones. But she and Rick had no way to relate the seams inside the galleries with evidence from the exterior, which was necessary to comprehend the site’s expansion over time. Were galleries parallel? Were some built above others? Were they built in a sequence that would explain what went on at Chavín?


The research has yielded important findings. Earlier archaeologists had pegged Chavín’s beginnings between 800 B.C. and 200 B.C. Thanks also to radiocarbon dating conducted at Chavín, Rick’s team determined that construction at the site actually ended shortly after 800 B.C. They now believe it was built over several hundred years in 15 stages, beginning in 1,200 B.C. or earlier.

The subterranean hallways hold the key to understanding what happened at Chavín, says Rick. “The galleries are a fascinating mystery—complex and costly construction with no obvious function,” he says. But they are beginning to give up their secrets. Excavations have yielded massive offerings in some of the chambers, and ceremonial objects like the Strombus trumpets in others. The Lanzon, a five-meter monolith of white granite depicting the Chavín god—a feline head with a human body—sits at the crossing of passages in one gallery system. “The Lanzon was certainly an object of worship, and perhaps even an oracle that spoke with the help of priests,” Rick says.

Just as revealing are the presence of shined coal “mirrors” commonly found in the excavations and the positioning of drainage canals that maximized the auditory impact of rushing water. Taken together, the evidence convinces Rick that Chavín de Huántar was designed for an evangelical purpose: to convert the uninitiated. During a mind-blowing ritual in which sights and sounds were manipulated to powerful effect, the priests at Chavín were giving religious ceremony—and themselves—a position of influence. The significance of this goes beyond worship. Rick says it suggests a new model of human organization.

IMAGINE A SOCIETY in which there was no governing force over a village or settlement—no hierarchical management, no division of labor, and no assumption of privilege or power. That was what existed among Andean people—and much of the rest of the world—before Chavín de Huántar was built, Rick says. “We just assume because of the way our world works that leadership and authority are built into society. [Most of] the archaeological record shows no haves or have-nots.

“Chavín is a monument to the idea that certain people have greater access to power than others,” he adds. “If you want to create the idea of authority you have to develop the belief that people who are similar in appearance and ability are actually different. This requires convincing. You’re altering the basic idea of human organization. You have to create a different world.”

To do that, the priest-elite at Chavín engineered an underground marvel. Using the maze of passageways as a disorienting venue, they constructed elaborate systems to manipulate light and sound, and introduced this to novitiates they hoped to impress. Would-be followers from the surrounding area would have come to Chavín on a pilgrimage, “paying” in materials or labor. The ritual would have begun, most likely, by ingesting a hallucinogenic powder or a liquid extracted from the San Pedro cactus. As the Chavín subjects walked through the dark, cramped halls, the sound of Strombus trumpets echoed around them from some unseen source. Water roared through canals beneath their feet (or, strangely, overhead), producing a heavy percussion amplified by the drugs. Mirrors placed in ventilation ducts to reflect the sun poured brilliant shafts of light into the subterranean hallways, only to be “turned off,” thrusting the occupant into blackness as dark as obsidian. By the time the subjects emerged from the chambers, staggering and stunned, their perspective had been altered forever. The unmistakable impression: somebody powerful was in charge.

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Pinowawa1
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Nov 11 2006, 06:52 PM) [snapback]1423597[/snapback]

David Icke=Crazy. Yes he is.



ericraven2003= idiot, yes you are.

When are you going to stop posting the same c*** ? It has come to the point where your violating forum rules.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(Pinowawa1 @ Nov 12 2006, 05:09 AM) [snapback]1424365[/snapback]

ericraven2003= idiot, yes you are.

When are you going to stop posting the same c*** ? It has come to the point where your violating forum rules.

I love you to, wabbit.
I am talking about a public figure. Who just happens to be crazy. Did you know that David"I am crazy"Icke claimed to be Jesus once.

I can talk about any public figure. My opinion, and you have one too, I suppose.
Pinowawa1
dejavue anyone?

I think youve stated the same opinion enough already, we all know you think this phenomena is too crazy to believe. We all know that you think David Icke is dellusional.

The only thing you contribute are your insults to this and other related threads.

AND, you are ridiculous enough to PM me, telling me off for insulting you!?!? wake up, YOUR INSULTING THIS THREAD AND EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES AND TAKES THIS TOPIC SERIOUSLY :
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If you want to start personally insulting me in posts, then I will start to. Get over yourself true believer. mad.gif


These are the type of posts im addressing: "David Icke=Crazy. Yes he is" "Okay then. I will say it. THESE THINGS DON'T EXIST", "...

Your contributions to thsi forum are worthless.

When you do some background research and shed some knowledge to support your opinion on this topic, then I will respect your side on this.
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Nov 12 2006, 01:19 PM) [snapback]1424578[/snapback]

I love you to, wabbit.
I am talking about a public figure. Who just happens to be crazy. Did you know that David"I am crazy"Icke claimed to be Jesus once.


Eric, he didn't claim to be 'Jesus', he claimed to be the son of god - which in most western religions, technically, is correct.

He is not as 'out there' as most would like to believe. He is a bit eccentric, yes, but not crazy.



brave_new_world
I agree about the reptilians controlling/being the government and monarchy. I also believe that the only way to escape them isn't through rising up and uniting and fighting them via violence. I believe by taking the path of mysticism or of the perennial philosophy will we ever be able to be free from all dimensional slavery.
Take for example, do you really think that anyone could have ever threatened ramana maharshi through violence or fear?? No because(paradoxical as this seems) Ramana Maharshi knew he wasn;t the body(from direct experience, not just theoretically).
Until we all become gurus the best we can achieve is a illusory society of peace which at best can help us learn the means so we can all become like gurus or god conscious, which is the spiritual end for all.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(Pinowawa1 @ Nov 12 2006, 01:06 PM) [snapback]1424610[/snapback]

dejavue anyone?

I think youve stated the same opinion enough already, we all know you think this phenomena is too crazy to believe. We all know that you think David Icke is dellusional.

The only thing you contribute are your insults to this and other related threads.

AND, you are ridiculous enough to PM me, telling me off for insulting you!?!? wake up, YOUR INSULTING THIS THREAD AND EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES AND TAKES THIS TOPIC SERIOUSLY :

These are the type of posts im addressing: "David Icke=Crazy. Yes he is" "Okay then. I will say it. THESE THINGS DON'T EXIST", "...

Your contributions to thsi forum are worthless.

When you do some background research and shed some knowledge to support your opinion on this topic, then I will respect your side on this.


There is no research to be done. Reptoids controlling the government don't exist.
Tell you what. I will put you on ignore. Please do the same for me.
brave_new_world
David icke is a decent thorough researcher.


"HEY man that's a crazy theory but it isn't crazy enough to be the truth."
REBEL
I have to say lighten up a little people, 'er03' has every right to post his opinion as the next bloke, regardless of what he has to say or what his opinion is.
Healthy skeptisism is what sometimes keeps our reality in check.
Even Icke himself claimed in two of his books that on some of his own hands on research and following up on leads provided by inside sources was and had been faulsified to throw researchers/investigators of track.
Thats not to say that i believe that Icke is el wako, there are/have been far worse around than him.
In my own personal opinion regarding the reptillian claims, shapeshifters or whatever, anything is possible on a Spiritual or if you like Paranormal level. I'm guessing that's why most of us are here(UM), to find out more and or satisfy our curiosity.
Remembering there are mega millions around the world that BELIEVE and WORSHIP in a god or gods if you like, that we can't see or hear(but that must be true because people say it is and the good book told us so)...so what, do we condem them all to the Casa del Wacko or do we just let them go on doing what they do and or believe.

Just my ps thoughts. grin2.gif
crystal sage
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Nov 14 2006, 07:09 AM) [snapback]1425847[/snapback]

David icke is a decent thorough researcher.
"HEY man that's a crazy theory but it isn't crazy enough to be the truth."


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Here's something weird...


http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/release...egacy/croc.html

http://www.animalmummies.com/learningfiles/sacredcrocs.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...;type=printable
The missing 'crocodiles'...or reptillians???? laugh.gif

http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/projects/a...ress_may05.html
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