Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Dinosaurs are back Alive!
Unexplained Mysteries Discussion Forums > Science > Palaeontology & Archaeology
Pages: 1, 2
CASEY yyyy
thumbsup.gif THE creators of walking with dinosaurs have created 15 life size dinosaurs thay look so real that i dont even call tham fake thumbsup.gif ' thay do everythink you would expect a dinosaur to do'from t rex to even brachisaurus{the biggest animal to walk the planet} ' and also stegosaurus'anklosaurus'raptor''and the biggest animal to take to the wing {had a 12 meter wing span}this was probley the only way to bring dinosaurs back'its unlikely thay could use dna to clone tham like in jurassic park no.gif but this way is just as good cool.gif i think!!!'thay look just like the dinosaurs in walking with dinosaurs!!!fully life size!!!'its called' walking with dinosaurs the live experance'first there going to be turing in australia in janurey 2007 than going on a GLOBAL tour a all arond the world'thanks !!!! cool.gif .
frogfish
After the painstaking experience of reading that, I can see you're happy.

Oh, and Brachiosaurus was nowhere the largest animals to ever live. It's either Argentinasaurus or Seismosaurus.
CASEY yyyy
QUOTE(frogfish @ Nov 12 2006, 10:48 AM) [snapback]1423859[/snapback]

After the painstaking experience of reading that, I can see you're happy.

Oh, and Brachiosaurus was nowhere the largest animals to ever live. It's either Argentinasaurus or Seismosaurus.

yep i know'the biggest one is ULTRASAURUS.not many have herd of tham' iv seen the videos of these dinosaurs and the dinosaurs look extrodnary...
Annointer
Are the Ultrasaurus and Brachiosaurus really different species? They look exactly the same but different size. There's even a Supersaurus that's inbetween. I just think some grew bigger than others or Brachio is just younger than Ultra.
frogfish
QUOTE
Are the Ultrasaurus and Brachiosaurus really different species? They look exactly the same but different size. There's even a Supersaurus that's inbetween. I just think some grew bigger than others or Brachio is just younger than Ultra.

Yep. Ultrasauros and Brachiosaurus are different species.

There is some debate whether Supersaurus and Ultrsauros are the same dinosaurs. They share bones.

QUOTE
yep i know'the biggest one is ULTRASAURUS

tongue.gif I think you didn't read my post. The largest animals ever to live are Argentinosaurus and Seismosaurus. These two behemoths reached over 150 feet long and 100 tons. Compared to them, the 98 foot Ultrasauros looked puny.
CASEY yyyy
brachisaurus and ultrasaurus do look just the same' its said that brachisaurus comes in third to the biggest animals that have ever lived second is supersaurus than the biggest' ultrasaurus' comes first'wo knows mabey more dinosaur species will be discoverd and thay might be even taller than ultrasaurus but why dont siantists ever talk aboult supersauras or ultrasaurus?...thay always say brachiosaurus was the biggest...
CASEY yyyy
''''ok ''''
Annointer
QUOTE(frogfish @ Nov 11 2006, 07:11 PM) [snapback]1423930[/snapback]

tongue.gif I think you didn't read my post. The largest animals ever to live are Argentinosaurus and Seismosaurus. These two behemoths reached over 150 feet long and 100 tons. Compared to them, the 98 foot Ultrasauros looked puny.

Length doesn't equal bigger. Brachiosaurus has a very short tail and their body type is more upright like a giraffe.
frogfish
QUOTE
Length doesn't equal bigger.

But mass does, and Seismosaurus and Argentinosaurus were MUCH, MUCH more massive thumbsup.gif Almost 50 tons more.
Annointer
QUOTE(frogfish @ Nov 11 2006, 07:55 PM) [snapback]1423984[/snapback]

But mass does, and Seismosaurus and Argentinosaurus were MUCH, MUCH more massive thumbsup.gif Almost 50 tons more.

An Ultrasaurus is estimated at over 100 tons. That's not smaller than what you've been saying.
Don't make me whip out comparison pictures.
Cryptoman
QUOTE(Annointer @ Nov 11 2006, 06:04 PM) [snapback]1423999[/snapback]

An Ultrasaurus is estimated at over 100 tons. That's not smaller than what you've been saying.
Don't make me whip out comparison pictures.

Go on and whip them out if ya dare!
frogfish
100 tons? The most I heard is 70 thumbsup.gif

Well, there is no doubt in the paleontology community that seismosaurus and argetinosaurus are the largest.
Annointer
QUOTE(frogfish @ Nov 11 2006, 08:25 PM) [snapback]1424030[/snapback]

100 tons? The most I heard is 70 thumbsup.gif

Well, there is no doubt in the paleontology community that seismosaurus and argetinosaurus are the largest.

Typically i read the Seismosaurus was 30-70 tons. But yeah even the Brachiosaurus is at around 80 tons.

I found this little diddy. It has an Ultrasaurus in the middle with a couple other of the largest sauropods.

IPB Image\
Cryptoman
QUOTE(Annointer @ Nov 11 2006, 07:17 PM) [snapback]1424072[/snapback]

I found this little diddy. It has an Ultrasaurus in the middle with a couple other of the largest sauropods.

IPB Image\

that's cool, I heard the shoulder blade of an ultrasaurus alone was 7 feet tall
Thunderbolt
isn't it amazing that these creatures walked this earth original.gif
its almost epic grin2.gif
frogfish
QUOTE
I found this little diddy. It has an Ultrasaurus in the middle with a couple other of the largest sauropods.

It would be nice to know what the other sauropods were...Seismosaurus and Argentinosaurus are relatively new compared to Ultrasauros.

QUOTE
Typically i read the Seismosaurus was 30-70 tons. But yeah even the Brachiosaurus is at around 80 tons.

Unless Phil Currie is wrong, which he isn't, Seismosaurus and Argentinosaurus are the largest dinosaurs. Ultrasauros did once hold the title, but that was toppled with the discovery of Brukthyosaurus and Sauroposeidon. And in time, they were toppled by the titanosaur gargantuans Seismosaurus and Argentinosaurus
Annointer
QUOTE(frogfish @ Nov 12 2006, 03:33 PM) [snapback]1424720[/snapback]

It would be nice to know what the other sauropods were...Seismosaurus and Argentinosaurus are relatively new compared to Ultrasauros.

Seismosaurus and Supersaurus are supposedly the other 2.

QUOTE
Unless Phil Currie is wrong, which he isn't, Seismosaurus and Argentinosaurus are the largest dinosaurs. Ultrasauros did once hold the title, but that was toppled with the discovery of Brukthyosaurus and Sauroposeidon. And in time, they were toppled by the titanosaur gargantuans Seismosaurus and Argentinosaurus

He's wrong. I can't find anywhere else that supports that. Seismosaurus definitely ain't the largest. Argentinosaurus is about equal with Ultrasaurus as far as i can find. Sauroposeidon is barely larger than a Brachiosaurus it mainly has a much longer neck. Brukthyosaurus seems to be the largest i can find with it weighing 140+ tons.
CASEY yyyy
if you have a interest in dinosaurs you should go to the show to see it'im going to ' tickets cost around {could be cheaper}$100.00-$120.00 ea thats to see the jurrassic dinosaurs you can also see the triassic dinosaurs i think its the same price $100.00-$120.00ea' im going to see both the jurrassic dinosaurs and triassic dinosaurs witch will cost me between $200.00-$300.00+ thats for 2 people'iv seen these dinosaurs in action on the computer' thay are extrodnary'{i think}iv only seen 2 of the 15 life size dinosaur electronics'the raptor and torosaurus'the biggest dinosaurs there made is 'brachisaurus' i gess thay couldent make utrasaurus or seismosaurus course there simply to big to make'thay have also made tyrannosaurus rex'allosaurus'stegosaurus'ankylosaurus'plateosaurus'''liliensaurus'torosaurus'brachiosaurus{2}'utahraptor 'and ' ornithocheirus'i got that info of the website'thay said that thay made 15 dinosaurs so thay may have made 2 of almost ea kind {unless there lieing}'thay will be going on a global tour next year' not sure if tickets are on sale yet for the global tour'i dont think thay are thay will be next year'hat ever country your in it will going there to the magior citys.....seeyaa
frogfish
QUOTE
He's wrong. I can't find anywhere else that supports that. Seismosaurus definitely ain't the largest. Argentinosaurus is about equal with Ultrasaurus as far as i can find. Sauroposeidon is barely larger than a Brachiosaurus it mainly has a much longer neck. Brukthyosaurus seems to be the largest i can find with it weighing 140+ tons.

Many sources contradict, and some are outdated. Some sites say Ultrasauros, some say Seismosaurus. Who knows, there is so much speculation involved. I'll tell you that I agree with Currie, as he is one if the world's foremost experts.

We jut may have to wait until a complete skeleton is found...Especially since Ultrasauros and Supersaurus share bones, and Seismosaurus and Argentinosaurus have incomplete skeletons.

Annointer
QUOTE(frogfish @ Nov 12 2006, 07:35 PM) [snapback]1424972[/snapback]

Many sources contradict, and some are outdated. Some sites say Ultrasauros, some say Seismosaurus. Who knows, there is so much speculation involved. I'll tell you that I agree with Currie, as he is one if the world's foremost experts.

We jut may have to wait until a complete skeleton is found...Especially since Ultrasauros and Supersaurus share bones, and Seismosaurus and Argentinosaurus have incomplete skeletons.

I just went by the general consensus of tonnage and Brukthyosaurus seems to be the undisputed heaviest.
draconic chronicler
QUOTE(Annointer @ Nov 12 2006, 11:30 PM) [snapback]1425200[/snapback]

I just went by the general consensus of tonnage and Brukthyosaurus seems to be the undisputed heaviest.


It is really a matter of defining what is meant by "largest" as well. There is a similar debate among living reptiles. The "longest" recorded snake is the reticulated python, but the heaviest snake is the anaconda. So which one can you say is technically the "largest", length or body mass? It is all the more difficult with dinosaurs because they are almost never very complete.
eckogangsta
So this is real or electronic?
frogfish
electronic thumbsup.gif
Harte
QUOTE(frogfish @ Nov 11 2006, 05:48 PM) [snapback]1423859[/snapback]

After the painstaking experience of reading that, I can see you're happy.

Oh, and Brachiosaurus was nowhere the largest animals to ever live. It's either Argentinasaurus or Seismosaurus.

I think not.

<********"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Whale" target="_blank">The Blue Whale is the largest animal that ever lived on this planet, last time I checked, and as far as we know.

Harte
Eu_citzen
QUOTE(Harte @ Nov 30 2006, 12:59 AM) [snapback]1443980[/snapback]

I think not.

<********"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Whale" target="_blank">The Blue Whale is the largest animal that ever lived on this planet, last time I checked, and as far as we know.</a>

Harte

No, it's the largest mammal, now a days. But not the largest creature to have walked the earth.

Harte
QUOTE(Eu_citzen @ Nov 30 2006, 05:25 AM) [snapback]1444519[/snapback]

No, it's the largest mammal, now a days. But not the largest creature to have walked the earth.


Note that frogfish said:"Oh, and Brachiosaurus was nowhere the largest animals to ever live. It's either Argentinasaurus or Seismosaurus." (My emphasis) Frogfish did not say "the largest creature to have walked the earth."

So, according to the link I gave you:
QUOTE

The Blue Whale (Balaenoptera musculus) is a marine mammal belonging to the suborder of baleen whales. At up to 30 metres (98 feet) in length and 177 metric tonnes (196 short tons) or more in weight, it is believed to be the largest animal to have ever lived on Earth.[2]
My emphasis.

The footnote ([2]) from this quote is as follows:
QUOTE


Here's what those sites have to say.
National Zoo:
QUOTE

Largest Animal
Blue whales are the largest animals of all time. Females grow to a length of 79 to 89 feet, weighing well over 100 tons. The heaviest blue whale ever weighed was more than 190 tons, and the longest ever measured was more than 108 feet long.


how stuff works:
QUOTE

By considerable measure, the largest known animal on Earth is the blue whale. Mature blue whales can measure anywhere from 75 feet (23 m) to 100 feet (30.5 m) from head to tail, and can weigh as much as 150 tons (136 metric tons). That's as long as an 8- to 10-story building and as heavy as about 112 adult male giraffes! These days, most adult blue whales are only 75 to 80 feet long; whalers hunted down most of the super giants. Female blue whales generally weigh more than the males. The largest blue whale to date is a female that weighed 389,760 pounds (176,792 kg).

...A blue whale's head is so wide that an entire professional football team -- about 50 people -- could stand on its tongue. Its heart is as big as a small car, and its arteries are wide enough that you could climb through them. Even baby blue whales dwarf most animals. At birth, a blue whale calf is about 25 feet (7.6 m) long and weighs more than an elephant. And they do grow up fast: During the first 7 months of its life, a blue whale drinks approximately 100 gallons (379 liters) of its mother's milk per day, putting on as much as 200 pounds (91 kg) every 24 hours. An adult blue whale can eat more than 4 tons (3.6 metric tons) of krill, a tiny shrimp-like creature, every day.

This puts blue whales well above any known land mammal in terms of size. Most people believe that the largest animals to ever exist on Earth were the dinosaurs. However, one of the largest land dinosaurs, the sauropod Argentinosaurus, weighed only about 180,000 pounds (81,647 kg). That's little more than half the size of an adult blue whale. It makes a lot of sense that the world's largest animal would be a sea creature. Land animals have to support their own weight, whereas sea creatures get some help from the water.
Again, my emphasis.

So, let's go kill all of them to make corsets and perfume!

Harte





frogfish
QUOTE
Not much of Argentinosaurus has been recovered: just some back vertebrae, tibia, fragmentary ribs, and sacrum. One vertebra had a length of 1.3 metres and the tibia was about 155 centimetres (58 inches) However, the spectacular proportions of these bones and the familiarity of the species' sauropod relatives allows paleontologists to estimate that full-grown specimens reached some 35 metres (115 feet)in length. Weight was perhaps 80 to 100 tonnes. It is the largest dinosaur that we have good evidence for. However, it would be smaller than Bruhathkayosaurus, which may have reached 44 metres (145 feet) long and weighed 180 tons and the poorly known Amphicoelias fragilimus which may have been up to 60 meters (200 feet) long. However, these estimates cannot be validated due to lack of evidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentinosaurus

QUOTE
Seismosaurus, meaning "Earth-shaking lizard," was one of the giant herbivorous dinosaurs of the late Jurassic period. It lived from the Kimmeridgian to the Tithonian age, approximately 154 to 144 million years ago. Its size is highly disputed, with estimates ranging from 37-45m(123.3-150feet) long. Based in Gillete's calculations, it may have been 39 to 52 metres (128 to 170 ft) long. Although some weight estimates range as high as 113 tonnes (125 US short tons), it may have weighed about 22 to 27 tonnes (25 to 30 US short tons).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismosaurus

The only reason the blue has the title is because we cannot accurately predict the weight of titanosaurs.
Harte
QUOTE(frogfish @ Nov 30 2006, 05:32 PM) [snapback]1445229[/snapback]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentinosaurus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismosaurus

The only reason the blue has the title is because we cannot accurately predict the weight of titanosaurs.

Yet even the upper estimates at the sources you provided are eclipsed by the known weight of the largest Blue.

It goes without saying though that the Blue Whale is the largest animal ever to have lived on Earth that we know of. Once we know of some other, larger, animal then that animal will take the prioze.

The quote about fifty people standing on the Blue's tongue is quite descriptive. Also, the Blue's tongue weighs as much as an adult African Elephant.

Harte
frogfish
From the Argentinosaurus link:

QUOTE
However, it would be smaller than Bruhathkayosaurus, which may have reached 44 metres (145 feet) long and weighed 180 tons and the poorly known Amphicoelias fragilimus which may have been up to 60 meters (200 feet) long.


draconic chronicler
QUOTE(Harte @ Nov 30 2006, 02:15 PM) [snapback]1445001[/snapback]
Note that frogfish said:"Oh, and Brachiosaurus was nowhere the largest animals to ever live. It's either Argentinasaurus or Seismosaurus." (My emphasis) Frogfish did not say "the largest creature to have walked the earth."

So, according to the link I gave you:
My emphasis.

The footnote ([2]) from this quote is as follows:
Here's what those sites have to say.
National Zoo:
how stuff works:
Again, my emphasis.

So, let's go kill all of them to make corsets and perfume!

Harte


There is a newly discovered type of Icthyosaur that may rival the blue whale. Only one has been found and it was over 70 feet, but with a far chunkier, thicker body than the blue whale. It may well outweigh the blue, so is it bigger?
Cryptoman
Everybody, look what I found at the website for this play, I challenge any of you to create a better dinosaur! More info at www.dinosaurlive.com

DESIGN YOUR OWN DINOSAUR COMPETITION

Get working as a class, or as an individual and design your own dinosaur! There are 2 Sections to enter

Under 6 year olds. 2) 6 to 11 year olds. 3) 12 years and over.
First prize for Schools the latest sony Handycam Multi-platform (RRP $849)
First prize for Individuals tickets to the show (2 x adult tickets and 2 x child tickets, Value $258)

Criteria & Judging:

Design your own dinosaur – it can be a drawing, a model, a Powerpoint presentation, photos or video, but it must include the thought process and research that has gone into designing the dinosaur being presented to us!
Only up to A4 size envelopes or files can be accepted through the mail or email the entry.

Entries are to be sent to:

WW T-Rex, 476 docklands Drive,
New Quay, Docklands,
Vic 3008

OR – emailed to dinodesign@dinosaurlive.com

Winning entries will be displayed at each show around Australia
Conditions apply. Entries close 22/12/2006 for NSW, Qld & WA or 16/02/2007 for SA & Vic.

Cryptoman
I SHALL CONQUER ALL HUMANS WHO DARE TRY TO DEFEAT MY AWESOME DINOSAUR!!!!
robbieb
QUOTE(frogfish @ Nov 11 2006, 11:48 PM) [snapback]1423859[/snapback]
After the painstaking experience of reading that, I can see you're happy.

Oh, and Brachiosaurus was nowhere the largest animals to ever live. It's either Argentinasaurus or Seismosaurus.



blue whale is still bigger lol with a tounge the size of a elephant and 50+ people fitting in its mouth an artery u can safly fit a baby threw and reachin 100+ feet and aobut 80 tonnes larger then ur Argentinasaurus or Seismosaurus. but again were comparing land animal verus sea soo
Clobhair-cean
QUOTE(frogfish @ Nov 12 2006, 12:48 AM) [snapback]1423859[/snapback]
Oh, and Brachiosaurus was nowhere the largest animals to ever live. It's either Argentinasaurus or Seismosaurus.


Ehm... The largest animal ever to live is the Blue Whale. There is no real proof (yet) of the existence of a bigger dinosaur...
SonnyChiba
QUOTE(frogfish @ Nov 11 2006, 06:48 PM) [snapback]1423859[/snapback]
After the painstaking experience of reading that, I can see you're happy.

Oh, and Brachiosaurus was nowhere the largest animals to ever live. It's either Argentinasaurus or Seismosaurus.

Brutally Honest, I'd agree Frogfish.
Ciraxis
I just read the first post, did anyone understand that?
Clobhair-cean
QUOTE(Ciraxis @ Jan 5 2007, 04:02 PM) [snapback]1487979[/snapback]
I just read the first post, did anyone understand that?


I think I did... He talks about the creators of the BBC(?) series Walking with Dinosaurs, who made 15 life-sized models and are going on tour with them...
frogfish
QUOTE
blue whale is still bigger lol with a tounge the size of a elephant and 50+ people fitting in its mouth an artery u can safly fit a baby threw and reachin 100+ feet and aobut 80 tonnes larger then ur Argentinasaurus or Seismosaurus. but again were comparing land animal verus sea soo

Head size doesn't matter...I'm talking about total size.
Seismosaurus reached lengths of 150 feet...and that specimen is a supposed adolescent!

Brukthyosaurus is estimated to weigh over 70 tonnes.

Argentinosaurus was an estimated 100+ feet long. Even Sauroposeidon dwarfed the bluewhale.
Tucuxi
I often wonder why the blue whale is hailed as the largest creature ever to live on the Earth. I never was really personally able to accept that. There seems to be a lot of evidence to the contrary, so why are people still claiming blue whales are the biggest animal ever? Is it because they don't have full skeletons of the dinosaurs that were allegedly bigger?
Mattshark
QUOTE(Tucuxi @ Jan 5 2007, 07:21 PM) [snapback]1488267[/snapback]
I often wonder why the blue whale is hailed as the largest creature ever to live on the Earth. I never was really personally able to accept that. There seems to be a lot of evidence to the contrary, so why are people still claiming blue whales are the biggest animal ever? Is it because they don't have full skeletons of the dinosaurs that were allegedly bigger?

They at the moment have no proof of anything bigger than a blue whale although the lions mane jellyfish can be longer, but it has very little mass.
Clobhair-cean
QUOTE(Tucuxi @ Jan 5 2007, 07:21 PM) [snapback]1488267[/snapback]
I often wonder why the blue whale is hailed as the largest creature ever to live on the Earth. I never was really personally able to accept that. There seems to be a lot of evidence to the contrary, so why are people still claiming blue whales are the biggest animal ever? Is it because they don't have full skeletons of the dinosaurs that were allegedly bigger?


If you don't have full skeletons, you can't be sure of the full size of the animal. Its just guessing, it could be a smaller animal with big, chunky vertebrae or strangely long legs, just think of the Deinocheirus's two huge arms... Also, it is hard to compete with something that weighs around 180 tons. It is possible that there have been longer dinosaurs, but when it comes to sheer body mass, the Blue Whale always wins.
frogfish
QUOTE
just think of the Deinocheirus's two huge arms...

But it's not like the Deinocheirus is 150 feet long...it's more around 30. This isn't pure guesswork. there is a reason paleontologists claim that titanosaurs can reach lengths of over 125 feet.
Clobhair-cean
QUOTE(frogfish @ Jan 6 2007, 01:09 AM) [snapback]1488869[/snapback]
But it's not like the Deinocheirus is 150 feet long...it's more around 30. This isn't pure guesswork. there is a reason paleontologists claim that titanosaurs can reach lengths of over 125 feet.


What I meant was that at first, the scientist thought that the Deinocheirus was much bigger because of the size of the arms, but now, they think(! not know!) that they were just oversized for some reason... Or, think of the Bruhathkayosaurus, which was first thought to be a theropod. Now, they are saying it was a humongous sauropod. If you only have a couple of bones, you never can be sure. With the Blue Whale, you have a living, breathing 180 ton animal which you can go and see in its full size, so for me it is the larges animal ever to have lived until proven otherwise by the discovery of a more or less full skeleton.
darkninja
QUOTE(frogfish @ Nov 11 2006, 06:48 PM) [snapback]1423859[/snapback]
After the painstaking experience of reading that, I can see you're happy.


I agree. I think "thay" should buy some spelling books!

This might help you out, CASEY CLICKY!
frogfish
QUOTE
What I meant was that at first, the scientist thought that the Deinocheirus was much bigger because of the size of the arms, but now, they think(! not know!) that they were just oversized for some reason... Or, think of the Bruhathkayosaurus, which was first thought to be a theropod. Now, they are saying it was a humongous sauropod. If you only have a couple of bones, you never can be sure. With the Blue Whale, you have a living, breathing 180 ton animal which you can go and see in its full size, so for me it is the larges animal ever to have lived until proven otherwise by the discovery of a more or less full skeleton.

There's always the chance of finding more remains...or even a complete specimen.
Clobhair-cean
QUOTE(frogfish @ Jan 6 2007, 07:18 PM) [snapback]1489777[/snapback]
There's always the chance of finding more remains...or even a complete specimen.


I agree. But until then, it i toos early to say that they were bigger then the blue whale.
Tucuxi
Oh, ok. That's what I thought. No complete skeleton. Mr. Blue will remain the biggest until further confirmation.
frogfish
That's IF estimations are FALSE.
Tucuxi
Like I said, I don't personally believe the blue whale is the biggist thing to live. It's just a technicality right now. Bone length estimations are pretty reliable. I just can't wait for them to find that whole/majority skeleton! bounce.gif
Jack_of_Blades
QUOTE(Tucuxi @ Jan 7 2007, 12:34 PM) [snapback]1491225[/snapback]
Like I said, I don't personally believe the blue whale is the biggist thing to live.


Yeah, i had a hard time swallowing that as a fact when i was younger, and
often broke out in debates against my biology teacher
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2008 Invision Power Services, Inc.