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OtterLord
First off, it's not a giant ground sloth or a megatherium, it's a ground sloth. Big, but not giant. It's supposed to be living in the Amazon Rainforests of Brazil and Bolivia. It's supposed to be somewhere around six feet. I want info on it. If you get any post it here and we can discuss it. I'm not sure if the Mapinguari has been discussed here before.
Raptor
Any idea how much it's meant to weigh? Mass is a better way of determining the size of something than height.
OtterLord
sad.gif No. Sorry. So far the only info I have is this stub of an atticle on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mapinguari But I'd estimate somewhere around 600, 700, 800 pounds.
RachelM
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The deep Amazon jungle of Brazil provides the backdrop for tales of the Mapinguari, a large nocturnal animal with a frightful screaming cry. Locals describe the Mapinguari as about two meters in height when standing on its hind legs. It is covered in red hair and emits a foul odor. Its feet are turned backwards and its claws are capable of ripping apart the palm trees upon which it feeds.

Ornithologist David Oren believes the Mapinguari is real. He has searched for it for twenty years. Oren suggests the Mapinguari is a surviving ground sloth, similar to the (presumably extinct) Mylodon . While the smaller tree sloths still exist, ground sloths are generally assumed to have died out around ten thousand years ago. So far no tangible evidence of the Mapinguari has survived close scrutiny.

Oren is not the first to suggest that giant ground sloths still exist. In the 1890s Ramon Lista, an Argentinian explorer, encountered a large unknown animal while hunting in Patagonia. Lista tried to shoot the animal but bullets apparently had no effect. Paleontologist Florentino Ameghino heard Lista's story. He was already familiar with descriptions of such a creature reported by Native Americans in Patagonia. They reported that arrows penetrated the creature's skin only with difficulty. Ameghino posited the creature might be a surviving ground sloth. Preserved skin samples from prehistoric ground sloths showed hard dermal ossicles that would have protected against prehistoric predators and, possibly, arrows and bullets as well. Ameghino named the purported modern ground sloth Meomylodon listai in Lista's honor.

Possibly the Mapinguari, if it exists, is not a giant ground sloth but an unknown large species of anteater. Anteaters and sloths are related animals. The well-known giant anteater Myrmecophaga tridactyla can reach a length of two meters and weigh nearly 40 kilograms. An anteater twice this size might be a candidate for Mapinguari.

Should the Mapinguari turn out to be a giant ground sloth it would not be the first such presumably extinct ice-age mammal to be found still alive in South America. In the early 1970s Ralph M. Wetzel and co-workers from the University of Connecticut discovered living specimens of the Chacoan Peccary, which he named Catagonus wagneri. Peccaries are close relatives of pigs and boars. Prior to Wetzel's find this type of peccary was known only from fossils and had been thought to have died out ten thousand years ago. Wetzel found the living specimens in Patagonia after hearing native stories. The natives called it the tagua. The Chacoan Peccary is the largest of the three known living species of peccary. There are significant differences in the chromosome numbers of the Chacoan peccary and the other two species, indicating they are not closely related. Very little is yet known of the Chacoan peccary's life cycle. It is considered to be an endangered species.

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If I found one, I would name him Sid. grin2.gif
OtterLord
QUOTE(OtterLord @ Nov 15 2006, 02:21 PM) [snapback]1428294[/snapback]

sad.gif No. Sorry. So far the only info I have is this stub of an atticle on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mapinguari But I'd estimate somewhere around 600, 700, 800 pounds.



Scratch that. It's a ground sloth right? So, however much ground sloths weigh, is how much RachelM's "Sid" weighs. Thanks for the links, RachelM. I'll go through them more in depth later and make a list of some things about it and post it here. thumbsup.gif
OtterLord
Mapinguari
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Six feet (two meters)

Weighs as much as a ground sloth

In Amazon

Impervious to bullets, arrows affect it if used in succession

Nocturnal by nature

Feet are turned backwards

Smells so bad, that if you have a close encounter with it, you'll be in bed for two months

Attracts ornithologists, especially the subspecies of David Oren. It is not known if this is natural

Red fur

Big claws

First recorded encounter in 1890, this probably shows that there's more than one

Omnivorous

Travels with white lipped peccaries. This could mean that it either eats them or eats what white-lipped peccaries eat.

Possibly we have discovered it's fecal matter (poo-poo for the scientifically impaired)

Foot prints too, however these could be easily forged.

Is rarer than an onça (Jaguar)

Leaves scratch marks on trees.

May be able to kill a human.

I'm sure I missed some. You can add more if you find more.

Edit1: Horible human-like scream
Can twist heads off humans
~Onyx~
I found this in one of the links that RachelM provided(thanks Rachel..good finds), where it describes this "creature" as..and I quote.."horrifying creatures he(a gentleman named David Oren..a scientist) knows are out there--huge sloths with giant claws and a reputation for twisting-off the heads of humans(TWISTING-OFF FOR GOD'S SAKE!!)--he could save he worlds largest rain forest"

Now.....forgive me if I err....but wouldn't the very WORD sloth and the idea of TWISTING-OFF HEADS be just a BIT of a contradiction in terms?
OtterLord
Not for ground sloths. They have the strength, unfortunately. Very strong creatures. But yes, this killing machine could be the key to saving the rainforest. Fight death with death/and/or fear.


Edit: I revised the list a lil'
~Onyx~
QUOTE(OtterLord @ Nov 16 2006, 12:07 PM) [snapback]1429087[/snapback]
this killing machine could be the key to saving the rainforest. Fight death with death/and/or fear.


Sounds alot like religion if you ask me...but my beef wasn't really with the idea that finding a creature like this would help to preserve the rainforrests...my beef was with the idea that something called a "sloth" would be a "horrifying killing machine that has been known( huh.gif , I thought the creature was highly rare) to TWIST-OFF THE HEADS OF HUMANS???!!!".........Good freakin grief.

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sloth, slothfulness

a disinclination to work or exert yourself


I just find the irony amusing.... laugh.gif
OtterLord
It is ironic. Did you see that one story where it came runnung at the man? That basically proves that it is barely like those sloths we know about in the modern world.
RachelM
I'm sorry but does this really look like a killing machine?

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OtterLord
Sorry to tell you this, RachelM, but, ground sloths didn't look anything like that. google it. And if you were talking about the rhinos, yes, they look like killing machines. yes.gif

Here, this is a more accurate representation.

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RachelM
The picture is of Sid. The sloth from the movie Ice Age.
Raptorial
QUOTE(Onyxdk @ Nov 16 2006, 11:17 AM) [snapback]1429099[/snapback]

Sounds alot like religion if you ask me...but my beef wasn't really with the idea that finding a creature like this would help to preserve the rainforrests...my beef was with the idea that something called a "sloth" would be a "horrifying killing machine that has been known( huh.gif , I thought the creature was highly rare) to TWIST-OFF THE HEADS OF HUMANS???!!!".........Good freakin grief.

Trust me, never underestimate an angry herbivore. The makers of Walking With Prehistoric Beasts had the right idea when they showed a giant ground sloth beating the crap out of a smilodon. Below is an artist's creation, a painting of the mapinguari.
The mapinguari and the would-be hunter.
OtterLord
Oh, I LOVE that picture.
Raptorial
I like it very much as well. The book it came from also has a picture of the sucuriju gigante.
Tremor
QUOTE(RachelM @ Nov 16 2006, 09:31 AM) [snapback]1429119[/snapback]

I'm sorry but does this really look like a killing machine?

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excuse me... i just laughed my ass of clear into china
Gatofeo
QUOTE(Onyxdk @ Nov 16 2006, 10:00 AM) [snapback]1429075[/snapback]

I found this in one of the links that RachelM provided(thanks Rachel..good finds), where it describes this "creature" as..and I quote.."horrifying creatures he(a gentleman named David Oren..a scientist) knows are out there--huge sloths with giant claws and a reputation for twisting-off the heads of humans(TWISTING-OFF FOR GOD'S SAKE!!)--he could save he worlds largest rain forest"

Now.....forgive me if I err....but wouldn't the very WORD sloth and the idea of TWISTING-OFF HEADS be just a BIT of a contradiction in terms?


I was in the Air Force, stationed to Panama, in 1977 and 1978.
It was not uncommon as a Security Policeman at Howard Air Force Base to be called out because a sloth was crossing the main road, impeding traffic.
I'd get out of my patrol pickup with a 36-inch riot baton and offer the baton to the sloth. He'd grab it like a limb. Then I'd half-drag, half-carry the lil' stinker off the main road and into the ditch, where it could continue on until it found a tree.
HOWEVER, you never wanted to get TOO close to a tree sloth. Contrary to what you'd think, they can lash out very quickly with those hook-like claws of theirs. Very fast. We were warned that if it hit you, you were probably cut. And if you were cut, you were almost certainly infected with all kinds of nasty microbes that brought on nasty infections.
You had to be careful around sloths; they are very filthy animals.
They hang upside down and poop upward. Their feces runs partly down their haunches. They frequently had parasites on them and --- during the rainy season --- a layer of mold.
Interesting creatures but absolutely filthy.
Traffic stopped for them and, to my knowledge, no Security Policeman ever harmed one.

Yep, sloths can lash out very quickly. I don't see why a giant one couldn't pop the head off a human.
OtterLord
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