An e-mail received by a young woman from a man in Cuba:
FROM: http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/dinoscoexist.html

"This year I bought a computer, got on the web and am enjoying the fruits of this "Information Age". Naturally, I've investigated sites which are of especial interest to myself...such as Pterosaurs. Why pterosaurs? Because in the summer of 1971 while stationed at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, I saw 2 of them flying leisurely overhead at no more than 200 ft distance. I haven't had much success telling people about it - they're all believers of the lies of evolution,etc. Now with the internet I've seen some corroboration. When I wrote to National Geo. years ago they informed me that Pterosaurs have been extinct for millions of years. Shows what they know. The arrogance of people amazes me. They're in New York, I was in Cuba; but they feel confident telling me what I saw. I wish someone would shoot one or capture it alive and cram it down NatGeo's throat.

Thanks for the site,

http://www.greatdreams.com/dinosaur-man.htm

Too bad Pterosaurs ARE extinct...

I felt this would be more appreciated as a seperate topic in the Cryptozoology forum rather than as an off topic, single post in thread in the Palaeontology & Archaeology forum - Waspie_Dwarf

I believe they still exist!

Yes, those poorly-faked photos DEFINITELY prove their existance!

People have been reporting they have seen pterosaurs ever since the fossils of these creatures were first found and named, thus "proving" they were real creatures. But before people knew what a pterosaur was, they were seeing the same thing -- large winged reptiles, only earlier they called them "dragons". So which is it?

Since you claim "evolution is a lie" you are most likely a fundamentalist Christian. It is amusing you are quite willing to use the science of paleontology to promote your religion by claiming the "fantasy" dragons of the bible are really "scientific" pterosaurs, but this only proves how ignornant you are of the Bible, and the religion you supposedly believe in.

The dragons of the bible are not pterosaurs. The Bible plainly states they are heavenly servant creatures also called Cherubim, Seraphim and destroyers. Later Christians have turned these winged reptiles into fluffy, swan-winged, humanoid "cartoon" angels, but this is not what the Bible says about them at all. If you actually knew something about the real bible, you would know that Seraphim in Hebrew means "fiery flying serpents". And you would also know that the only "creatures" that sing praises to God are the Seraphim in Isaiah and the dragons in Psalms, becasue they are exactly the same thing. When the hebrew scriptures were translated into greek, the Hebrew word Seraphim was translated to the Greek work Drakon, by the ancient Hebrew rabbis themselves, and ancient Christians fully believed this was the correct translation, for their churches are decorated with scenes of Heaven with dragons guarding the throne of God and swallowing up sinners. Many ancient scriptures they believed said exactly the same thing, though most are no longer used by the church today.

What hypocrites are these Christians who curse the science of paleontology in one breath, becasue they are too conceited to believe man ascended from lesser primates, but then are happy to embrace the same science to prove that the heavenly servant-dragons of the bible which they are uncomfortable with are nothing more than dinosaurs/pterosaurs that survived "Noah's flood" -- again, because they are too conceited to believe that the highest creatures in the heavenly hierarchy are intelligent, fiery flying serpents, despite being completely accepted by the ancient Christian church, and are essentially the same "dragons" believed in by virtually every ancient culture.

No one can say what these winged reptilian creature are, seen and reported since the dawn of history until the present day. But if they were flesh and blood pterosaurs, we would have found some bones of them in geologic strata after the Cretaceous, and we do not. Billions of pterosuars would have had to live and die and leave evidence to be the "dragons" still reported by eyewitnesses from the stoneage to the 18th century, and then called "pterosaurs" in the 19th century until today. Physical remains have never been found that can be dated less than 65 million years ago.

So what are people seeing for 5,000 years of recorded history, first called "dragons" and now called "pterosaurs"? Whatever they are they do not seem to "die" or we would have found one by now. It is very amusing how some Christians will cling to scientifically impossible events in the Bible like a worldwide flood, yet when every culture in the world believes in the same supernatural creature of the Bible called a "dragon", these same Christians will embrace the science they despise and say these creatures are merely pterosaurs.......... all because in their pride and conceit, they "want" the highest heavenly creatures to look like man, and not the winged, serpent-dragons that the real Bible plainly states.

I think that this sentence would be more logical if the word "die" was replaced by the word "exist".

No, becasue they do indeed seem to "exist". That is why they fill our myths and legends. That is why people have claimed to have seen them for as long as there have been a means to record that fact. Only now people call them pterosaurs instead of dragons becasue it sounds more "scientific".

draconic chronicler,
It is interesting that you should use the word "myth" as one of it's definitions in the Oxford English Dictionary is:



The word "legend" is defined as:



Just because people believe something does not make it true. There is no evidence to support the existence of dragons so no, they do not appear to exist. The do not die because they have never lived outside of stories.

Much like UFO's, thousands of people have reported seeing them yet we have not physical proof of one. Many would object to UFO's (meaning extraterrestrial spacecraft), being myth or legend, but so far they are no more real, or fake than dragons. But unlike UFOs, dragons are part of virtually all of the world's belief systems,theologies.

and so is an Omnipotent entity, but that doesn't mean they are real...

Is this coming from the same Frogfish that boasted what a staunch Catholic he was only a few months ago? The same one who threatened to report me to the moderators for questioning elements of his faith in these forums. (sigh).......How the "evil atheists" of UM have corrupted the young.

He didn't attack anyone in his previous post, he expressed an opinion; opinions change. How is that relevant at all?

And is this coming from the same egotistical guy that could not stand the fact that magical little dragons don't exist? You still haven't learned?

Pterosaurs...do not...*twitch*...still...exist. Nor do dinosaurs, megalodons, plesiosaurs, pliosaurs, sabre-toothed cats, terror birds, or any of those things. These...are ex-creatures. As I have now pointed out several times to the 'OMGEXTINCTTHINGSSTILLEXISTROFFLECOPTER!!111!1' people, the ecological niches that were once filled by these creatures are now occupied by modern creatures. Therefore, extinct organisms have no need to exist, and so do not. Got it?

Yup, Pterosaurs are long gone.

I don't believe I ever said dragons were either "little" or "magical". Get you facts straight frogfish. Usually you are so good at parroting information out of your "big golden book of dinosaurs", so one would think that you would read these posts more carefully before making erroneous statements.

Still can't admit that other people do have an education other than you?

Dinosaurs: real. Dragons: Not real.

Name calling and petty comments will only get this discussion closed.. Let us stay on Topic.

Remember your opinions only matter to you, everyone else are allowed theirs also.

I wasn't name calling, simply stating my views.

I think he was talking to frogfish.

Oh? Can you kindly point out where I was name-calling Ryo Ohki? Maybe you should actually read the topic before you post Then you might get an actual idea of what is going on.

He said name calling and petty comments. I did read it.

[quote name='draconic chronicler' date='Nov 16 2006, 10:54 PM' post='1428871']
People have been reporting they have seen pterosaurs ever since the fossils of these creatures were first found and named, thus "proving" they were real creatures. But before people knew what a pterosaur was, they were seeing the same thing -- large winged reptiles, only earlier they called them "dragons". So which is it? /quote]

Dragons sound good... It'll explain all the legends...the 'mythological tales'...the old paintings... .. and the reptillians....

[quote
Since you claim "evolution is a lie" you are most likely a fundamentalist Christian. It is amusing you are quite willing to use the science of paleontology to promote your religion by claiming the "fantasy" dragons of the bible are really "scientific" pterosaurs, but this only proves how ignornant you are of the Bible, and the religion you supposedly believe in.

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No I'm not into any religion... and I'm open to any new ideas...cause there are too many blanks in the history we've been fed



[quote The dragons of the bible are not pterosaurs. The Bible plainly states they are heavenly servant creatures also called Cherubim, Seraphim and destroyers. Later Christians have turned these winged reptiles into fluffy, swan-winged, humanoid "cartoon" angels, but this is not what the Bible says about them at all. If you actually knew something about the real bible, you would know that Seraphim in Hebrew means "fiery flying serpents". And you would also know that the only "creatures" that sing praises to God are the Seraphim in Isaiah and the dragons in Psalms, becasue they are exactly the same thing. When the hebrew scriptures were translated into greek, the Hebrew word Seraphim was translated to the Greek work Drakon, by the ancient Hebrew rabbis themselves, and ancient Christians fully believed this was the correct translation, for their churches are decorated with scenes of Heaven with dragons guarding the throne of God and swallowing up sinners. Many ancient scriptures they believed said exactly the same thing, though most are no longer used by the church today.

What hypocrites are these Christians who curse the science of paleontology in one breath, becasue they are too conceited to believe man ascended from lesser primates, but then are happy to embrace the same science to prove that the heavenly servant-dragons of the bible which they are uncomfortable with are nothing more than dinosaurs/pterosaurs that survived "Noah's flood" -- again, because they are too conceited to believe that the highest creatures in the heavenly hierarchy are intelligent, fiery flying serpents, despite being completely accepted by the ancient Christian church, and are essentially the same "dragons" believed in by virtually every ancient culture.

No one can say what these winged reptilian creature are, seen and reported since the dawn of history until the present day. But if they were flesh and blood pterosaurs, we would have found some bones of them in geologic strata after the Cretaceous, and we do not. Billions of pterosuars would have had to live and die and leave evidence to be the "dragons" still reported by eyewitnesses from the stoneage to the 18th century, and then called "pterosaurs" in the 19th century until today. Physical remains have never been found that can be dated less than 65 million years ago.

So what are people seeing for 5,000 years of recorded history, first called "dragons" and now called "pterosaurs"? Whatever they are they do not seem to "die" or we would have found one by now. It is very amusing how some Christians will cling to scientifically impossible events in the Bible like a worldwide flood, yet when every culture in the world believes in the same supernatural creature of the Bible called a "dragon", these same Christians will embrace the science they despise and say these creatures are merely pterosaurs.......... all because in their pride and conceit, they "want" the highest heavenly creatures to look like man, and not the winged, serpent-dragons that the real Bible plainly states.
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As with most evidence of anomolies...aliens. UFOs..etc... all evidence would be cleared up imediately....

They are said to live hundreds of years... live in caves and underground tunnels... breath fire..feast on humans .???


More proof of reptillians????

how do we operate these quote boxes????

Underneath the smiley in your post you missed the bracket on the quote tag.

I agree.

Pterosaurs no longer exist.
It may be possible that some descendents survived.

To claim this is not possible... is just plain ignorance.
Simple as that!!!

If so, then what would the decendents look like? And where are they located?

What would their descendants be? As far as I know, they HAVE NONE.