I try and watch/read as much as I can about hauntings/demons/paranormal activity, and I actually noticed a pattern. While the basis for this theory was mostly created from television and movies (which I know is a big downside), I think it's interesting, none the less.

If you read SilverRain Queen's thread about characteristics of a demonic presence, you know that what most people consider to be "true" demons start out small. They do little things, that can be passed off as electrical or a plumbing problem, and slowly escalate into the more physical and frightening stuff.

Well, I noticed a pattern in what some people would call "demonic" hauntings, that were supposedly brought about by Witchcraft. After reading eyewitness accounts on Shadowlands.net, watching multiple episodes of Discovery's dramatized "A Haunting", renting "An American Haunting", one thing stuck out. The first symptom noticed was growling. I thought the presence of this was most striking in "American Haunting" because it was the last thing I watched that sort of put the pieces together, mostly because I felt it was the most unintentional.

Growling, like that of an angry wolf or some terrible beast, and often hearing accompanying footsteps. They don't do little things, they start off big and just get worse. Has anybody else noticed this pattern? Maybe more of the subtle details that separate a demon from a witchcraft summoned entity?

Be more specific about what a 'witchcraft summoned entity' is.

Well, I was trying to figure out if there really is a difference between a "normal" demon haunting, and the supposed demons that seem to be linked to witchcraft. I thought maybe somebody might know more about the differences, or if what I noticed was just coincidence.

By witchcraft haunting I think he means a hex or curse.

well, "demon" is a broad term, there are many things that could be classified as a "demon" thought forms, powerful spirits, or if you believe in them actual demons from hell, i forget where i heard this, ill try to find a link, but i heard somewhere that the term demon actually cam from daemon or daimen or something like that and actually they were a good thing, like messangers for the gods, ill try to find it and tell you. but really what your asking depends on what a "normal" demon haunting is to you, in my opinion no demon is anything like another, so i dont think there is such thing as a normal one

In my experience, summoning of demons is so that they will do the specific 'will' of the summoner. These particular demons, are like 'hounds of hell' so to speak. Like dogs, they obey and will do your bidding so long as you are in 'total' command and know how to 'protect' yourself. There are different levels of demons, as in an Army, they all have different ranks.

If someone summons a demon for no purpose other than curiosity, they will not be able to get rid of these demons easily. Like dogs, they have come to your bidding and if they smell fear on you, like any animal....they will take initiative, and take over.

Now that makes some sense to me, this is kind of what I was looking for, and pretty much correlates with everything I've seen/read.

imo, a demonic haunting is a demonic haunting is a demonic haunting.. Some believe the dark arts used in witchcraft, is just that, 'dark.' There is no such thing as a "normal" demonic haunting. The pattern of it's significance/haunting reflect in the same way, despite it's origin such as witchcraft, or let's say, a cursed property. If it's tuned in as a demonic, then it suddenly seems to be apparent- blatant.
In the Bell witch (American Haunting) the first sign was actually *Mr. Bell seeing a strange animal (rabbit mixed with something else) in the corn field- He attempted to shoot it, to no avail. He witnessed this animal a couple of times before the 'thing' made its presense known. Scratching, shoving was also one of the first in this case. Considering this case was documented, the bizarre incidents that were reported doesn't even seem natural for even a haunting..
Scratching within the walls, moving * heavy furniture, pushing/shoving are ex; demonic tends to be much more aggressive, and wreaks much havoc on those involved.

Forgive me, I haven't read the actual account of the Bell Witch haunting in a long time. I've been meaning to get a book from the library that tells of what went on, to refresh my memory. I found that most of what happened in the Bell Witch haunting, correlated more with other demonic hauntings associated with witchcraft, other than demonic hauntings where no witchcraft was involved (at least to anyboyd's knowledge). Of course the Bell Witch seemed to be a much more powerful entitiy than anything I've ever read about, so I definitely agree that it wasn't natural, even when compared to other demonic hauntings.

First of all, there is no "dark arts" used in witchcraft (or wicca as it's actually called), you are talking about satanism which is a completely different thing all together. You don't "summon demons" in Wicca. During ceremonies, you invite god(s)/goddess(es) (entirely depends on what your personal beliefs are), into your circle and close the circle afterwards, thanking them for coming and basically sending them on their way.

Wiccans also do not do curses, if they are a true wiccan. To curse someone/something would be to bring very nasty consequences onto yourself, as the belief is that what you do unto others comes back 3 times onto you. So to curse someone would be pretty stupid, if that is your belief. lol

A big problem now days is kids growing up thinking Buffy and Charmed are real, and thinking they can have all these "cool" powers, when wicca (witchcraft) is nothing like that at all.

I hate Buffy and Charmed. They insult many Pagan religions. Many people in the Abrahamic faiths claim I conjure demons in the backyard. They don't understand the realm of magic or the spirit world. You fear what you don't understand. There are beings out there for whatever reasons don't have our best interests at heart or they don't care or they are just tricksters. When a Wiccan does a circle they create a sacred space banishing all negativity human or other wise. In Druidry you give them an offering ask them nicely to leave you alone. No "Demons" aloud.
The spirit realm is much like this one in that you have good, bad and in-between. Just be careful what you let in. Most are just vex spirits and with understanding you can make peace with them.



I wouldn’t say that, they are not like dogs. They are intelligent beings who have their own agenda. If you piss them off you may not like what happens.

Words are relative, so are Angels & Demons - is there a difference? Individualism defines what every entity is through personal experience & perception. What a Demon is to one may be a Witchcraft Entity to another - whose to say that either one is incorrect?

First off...I'd like to say this common knowledge about witches:

All Wiccans are Witches but not All Witches are Wiccan

Here are some of the different types of Witches as posted on this site:
Different Groups of Witches

I'm not Wiccan as Wicca to me is just another religious box people like to put themselves into.
To say that no dark arts are used in Witch Craft is very ignorant and you must research a little more before making a comment like that.
In actual fact, a true Witch, is an invoker of spirits, whether it's demons or past human entities.
Satanism is the 'worshipping of self' and actually quite a harmless religion.
Now Devil Worshipping(which involves live sacrifices) is totally different from Satanism altogether.

My opinion of Wicca is that it's a glorified version of the ancient pagan religion of tree hugging earth spirit worhsippers that call themselves witches all put together by one man a few years back. Research more please.

Teehee...

First of all I consider myself an eclectic pagan (and for quite a few years now thank you) so I don't appreciate being called ignorant. And that nice list of different does nothing to really show your point of view about "dark arts". Of course there are different types of "witches" (just as there are many different types of christian churches, from holy rollers to catholics, notice also that they don't list satanism or devil worship there), but how many people really know that or even care. So I used a blanket term, sue me.

"Witch: Anciently, a European practitioner of the remnants of pre-Christian folk magick, particularly that relating to herbs, healing, wells, rivers and stones. One who practiced Witchcraft. Later, this term's meaning was deliberately altered to denote demented, dangerous, supernatural beings who practiced destructive magick and who threatened Christianity. This change was a political, monetary and sexist move on the part of organized religion, not a change in the practices of Witches. This later, erroneous meaning is still accepted by many non-Witches. It is also used by some members of Wicca to describe themselves.

Witchcraft: The craft of the Witch-magick, especially magick utilizing personal power in conjunction with the energies within stones, herbs, colors and other natural objects. While this may have spiritual overtones, Witchcraft, using this definition, isn't a religion. However, some followers of Wicca use this word to denote their religion."

And where in that discription do you see the practice of "dark arts"?

I'm not claiming to know much about Wicca or witchcraft but from what I've read about Wicca is that one man (Gerald Garnder) just took what he got out of paganism and made up his own religion thus resulting in Wicca. Thats why I never became Wiccan, because it was just one persons view.
I wish I knew more about demons thiugh. I don't believe in the devil though (unless you want to count our current "president"), so would that mean I don't believe in demons?

Obviously not in that Wiccan slanted version ...no.

That link I gave you was just to inform you of the different varitey of witches, it's also a website created by....you got it a "Wiccan"


Check out the good 'ol Merriam-Websters Dictionary on it:
Main Entry: 1witch
Pronunciation: 'wich
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English wicche, from Old English wicca, masculine, wizard & wicce, feminine, witch; akin to Middle High German wicken to bewitch, Old English wigle divination, and perhaps to Old High German wIh holy -- more at VICTIM
1 : one that is credited with usually malignant supernatural powers; especially : a woman practicing usually black witchcraft often with the aid of a devil or familiar : SORCERESS -- compare WARLOCK
2 : an ugly old woman : HAG
3 : a charming or alluring girl or woman
4 : a practitioner of Wicca
5 : WITCH OF AGNESI
- witch·like /'wich-"lIk/ adjective
- witchy /'wi-chE/ adjective

For the last 60 years the Wiccans have being trying to change the concept of witches because they don't want to associate their religion with the old backward way of thinking so to speak...and they certainly don't want to associate themselves with Aleistery Crowley and his evil magic either. Let us not forget the Voodoo Witch and his/her practises that go on today.
There are many of us Witches that practise the 'black arts' and I know you are out there people.... :whistle:Come Out Come Out Where ever you are! Let's here from you! and give "Jewels1958" a 101 on it.

Weren't witches practically wise women who knew a lot about different herbs and healing, before the male dominated christian church kind of gave them a bad name? Probably due to the fact that they were often pretty powerful, and men of that time couldn't have that, naturally?

I don't know, but I think of witches from pre-christian times more as for example shamans.

Pre-Christian means pre Christ.
In the old testament, King Saul had the Witch of Endor call upon the spirit of the prophet Samuel to get guidance from him. Witches even then were known to be invokers of spirits.
King Solomon was one the first to delve into the demonic arts for the purpose of knowledge.
What you are talking about is the ancient pagan religion of the Worship of the Goddess. These people were nature people and herb healers. They never called themselves witches.
However as of recent past 60 years Gerald Gardner started to reintroduce "Wicca" ....first by taking the word Witch and finding it's saxon origin(Wicca) and then amalgimating it with the "Old Celtic Religion" and the teachings of Aleister Crowley on ritual magic.
The 'Old Religion" is NOT Wicca Today.....as in most religions...people assume and take for granted what people say and accept it blindly.

Don't assume anything....do your research.

The medieval conception of women shares much with the corresponding
medieval conception of Jews. In both cases, a perennial attribution of
secret, bountiful, malicious "power," is made. Women are anathematized and
cast as witches because of the enduring grotesque fears they generate in
respect of their putative abilities to control men and thereby coerce, for
their own ends, male-dominated Christian society. Whatever the social and
psychological determinants operative in this abiding obsession, there can be
no denying the consequential reality of such anxiety in medieval
Christendom. Linked to theological traditions of Eve and Lilith, women are
perceived as embodiments of inexhaustible negativity. Though not quite
quasi-literal incarnations of the Devil as were Jews, women are, rather,
their ontological "first cousins" who, like the Jews, emerge from the "left"
or sinister side of being. (Katz, The Holocaust in Historical Context, Vol.
I, p. 435.)
Manuscript of the Malleus maleficarum, "the most
influential and widely used handbook on witchcraft."
The classic evocation of this deranged misogyny is the Malleus maleficarum
(The Hammer of Witches), published by Catholic inquisition authorities in
1485-86. "All wickedness," write the authors, "is but little to the
wickedness of a woman. ... What else is woman but a foe to friendship, an
unescapable punishment, a necessary evil, a natural temptation, a desirable
calamity, domestic danger, a delectable detriment, an evil nature, painted
with fair colours. ... Women are by nature instruments of Satan -- they are
by nature carnal, a structural defect rooted in the original creation."
(Quoted in Katz, The Holocaust in Historical Context, Vol. I, pp. 438-39.)
"The importance of the Malleus cannot be overstated," argues Ben-Yehuda:

It was to become the most influential and widely used handbook on
witchcraft. ... Its enormous influence was practically guaranteed, owing not
only to its authoritative appearance but also to its extremely wide
distribution. It was one of the first books to be printed on the recently
invented printing press and appeared in no fewer than 20 editions. ... The
moral backing had been provided for a horrible, endless march of suffering,
torture, and human disgrace inflicted on thousands of women. (Ben-Yehuda,
"The European Witch Craze," p. 11.)
An elderly witch is depicted feeding her satanic "familiars" (woodcut,
1579).
Many scholars have argued that it was the women who seemed most independent
from patriarchal norms -- especially elderly ones living outside the
parameters of the patriarchal family -- who were most vulnerable to
accusations of witchcraft. "The limited data we have regarding the age of
witches ... shows a solid majority of witches were older than 50, which in
the early modern period was considered to be a much more advanced age than
today." (Brian P. Levack, The Witch-Hunt in Early Modern Europe, p. 129.)
"The reason for this strong correlation seems clear," writes Katz: "these
women, particularly older women who had never given birth and now were
beyond giving birth, comprised the female group most difficult to
assimilate, to comprehend, within the regulative late medieval social
matrix, organized, as it was, around the family unit." (The Holocaust in
Historical Context, Vol. I, pp. 468-69.) As more women than men tended to
survive into a dependent old age, they could also be seen disproportionately
as a burden by neighbors: "The woman who was labeled a witch wanted things
for herself or her household from her neighbors, but she had little to offer
in return to those who were not much better off than she. Increasingly
resented as an economic burden, she was also perceived by her neighbors to
be the locus of a dangerous envy and verbal violence." (Deborah Willis,
Malevolent Nurture: Witch-Hunting and Maternal Power in Early Modern
England, p. 65.)

http://www.un-instraw.org/revista/hypermai...rs/fr/0847.html

Good old Merriam-Websters took that definition from this school of thought, which seems to be the view of the religious extreme throughout history.

I think it is safe to say that primitive uneducated people believe in all sorts of things to "explain natural phenomenon" and attempt to manipulate their world. But with modern science we have come to "mostly" understand our world and why things happen and no longer see monsters under every rock. While I believe that there is energy in everything on this earth, I haven't believed in being able to "manipulate nature" since I had the neighbor kids convinced I could control the weather at age 12.

And here is another little tidbit for moderns times.

As with its European predecessor, witch-hunting in South Africa is closely tied not only to prevailing superstitions, but to socio-economic pressures, natural disasters, and personal jealousies. In the Northern Province, "among the poorly educated rural residents, traditional healers and clairvoyants claiming supernatural powers hold broad sway. And hunger, poverty, and unemployment can create jealousies that can quickly turn to anger and vengeance." (Lewthwaite, "South Africans go on witch hunts.") Likewise, Peter Alexander reports that "In a region of intense poverty and little education, villagers are quick to blame any adverse act of fate on black magic." These traditional tendencies have been exacerbated by a recent hysteria (extending to Kenya and Zimbabwe) over the very real phenomenon of "ritual killings related to witchcraft," which "include the removal of organs and limbs from the victims -- the genitals, hands or the head, all of which are believed to bring good luck." (Alexander, "'Witches' get protection from superstitious mobs," The Daily Telegraph, May 26, 1997.) Such ritual murders often bring "retribution" against innocents accused of witchcraft. http://www.gendercide.org/case_witchhunts.html

Still trying to find some historical evidence of these "real witches". If you have any good links I would be happy to read them.

Found this very interesting article of various "theories" of why the witch hunts occurred. I won't copy them all, but will include the link at the bottom if you want to read them all.

4. The Religious Rebellion Theories: These theories are of two kinds:
A. First, the Satanic Religious Rebellion Theory: devil worship actually existed, in particular as a subversive attack on the ruling Christian order. Early historians of witchcraft, such as Jules Michelet (1862) or Montague Summers, take the tortured confessions of witches at their word.
BUT no credible evidence supports the existence of any actual Satanic cults before the 19th century. See Myth #8.

B. Second, the Pagan Religious Rebellion Theory: Certain forms of worship from the ancient world continued through the Early Modern period and was misinterpreted by the Christian hunters as Satanic. This theory was formulated by the Folklorist Margaret Murray (The Witch-cult in Western Europe (1921), The European Witch Cult (1926), The God of the Witches (1960)), who said worship of the horned god Janus or "Dianus" was focus of pagan continuity into modern times. It could be called the Murrayite Theory, and it remains popular in Neo-pagan circles.
BUT no credible evidence reveals the survival of much paganism or any organized fertility cults, beyond common superstition and simple folk traditions. Professional scholars have largely discredited Murray’s work. See Myth #8 and Myth #10.

http://departments.kings.edu/womens_histor...ch/worigin.html

Aside from the thesis you just wrote, there is nothing in it that concludes that there aren't/weren't any witches practising the dark arts.

One man's research isn't enough to accredit the facts of witch history either.

Back to topic of the 'dark witches' .....Take for instance the Strega(Italian for 'Witch') They certainly didn't live by the code 'harm ye none'

As for satanic cults......In Africa these 'witch doctors' having no religious knowledge, delved with evil spirits, that the religious called demons and satan. So satanic cults were only branded as so by the religious sects....and again the 'cults' not to be associated with 'Sataism' though thrown into the same box by the uneducated.


Yes women through the ages were cast lowly simply because of Men's religious concepts towards Eve's downfall in the garden. It was all her fault according to them. Today we still see it displayed in the religious realms of Muslim faith and others like it.


Of course the religious today, having not educated themselves properly, will throw 'EVERYONE' calling themselves a 'witch' into the same hand basket to hell....and the mobs will hang a wiccan just as readily as they would a sacrificial devil worshipper.

lets start out with the head of the spiritism and as you say witchcraft just like there is a supposed God , there is a supposed devil, or Satan , is actualy the title given to him wich means slanderer, devil means resister , father of a lie. Satan is the main evil force in wich you speak of in all accounts of spiritism , witchcraft black or white , mediums , ghosts , the tools that are used and the intent to basicly use anyone it, they can to destroy you by appealing to them in a way that seems harmless. idol of worship are also objects as amulants , taro cards etc, that the disembodided demons are able to manipulate humankind.

this is the spirit world, satan is top noch due to his claim to god face he would take gods thone someday,...god ousted him out of heaven and to the earth with all of the angles that followed satan, that ol dragon , the serpent the one they call devil or satan, he has many names and is one entity but has fellow fallen angels that sided with him and fell with him , now considered to be named as demons for plural or devil even as the devil is satan devils are demons . some demons when casted out by jesus, and in some cases his apostles after the ressurection the demon spirit would transform into some othe host usual an unclean thing to be the easiest . onece demons are hurdeled to gether they can posses , haunt, temp, mislead and make a persons life be as such a haunting , if the demon has a name and claims the name legion that means that they are many demon togher and therfore more powerful . thus when casted out by holy spirit in bible accounts went into a group of swine after leaving a sick girl and then the swine ran and jumped off intpo the sea to drown. if persay the girl allowed the same things to take place with the knowledge of perhaps she may become victim to these demons again, and does a disreguarding of that consciencly, they will come back pssiblly but in more numbers thence more powerful to try and destroy the person.

very rarely does the devil or satan have to appear or posses someone , why? he has all these disembodied sprits do his bidding for him. he doeant have to . but active he is roaming about the earth like a lion waiting to devour someone.

from all that every other evil is manifested or put into different more appealing catagories such as physics , voodoo , spells , readings, i see dead peolpe and all that. actually its now a multi trillen dollar industry world wide, thats media enterainment and whats shocking,.. is people are buying into it.

What's no longer shocking is how Christianity has sold itself to the populous and it too is a multi-trillion dollar industry world wide that has put people under it's spell long enough to make it's foundation, the bible, null and void and expose itself for the fraudulent mascarade of hope to mankind that it is. Now that's Evil.....

They have a class for the practice of dark arts in Harry Potter.

This is true, good point Satan loves to confuse people , he does have knowledge of scripture. I think allot of people do not realize that he is a sneaky busy boy and SUPERnatural, mankind , we are of natural being, and most certainly I feel allot underestamate the power and/intention of both good and evil. God or Satan
Matt 24:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear roghtous unto men, buth within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity
Take note that perhaps that is why allot of people think the bible has been changed for suiting this kind of false perception. Exactly what Satan wanted. Matt 24:4 Let know man deceive you .
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets , and shall shew great signs and wonders: insomuch that , if it were possible, they deceive the very elect.


The mere fact that Satan has some knowledge of scripture convinces me and is a freaky thing, Just like in the biblical accounts where Satan tempts Jesus , Jesus would reply and say , For it is written thou shall worship the lord thy God and only Him should we serve. .Matt ch 4 several accounts of a preknowledge of written word to be known to Satan.

Personaly its all individual choice and at least I have cxome to know the orgin of death and evil and thankfully I am because I can choose what I want to be more knowledgeable in and the resource is here for me and everybody else on the planet . the bible is a great book that explains everything you ever wanted to know , but most make the mistake i feel that their interpertation is the way period. and its not , If one must develope a relationship with Jehovah God and then his son Jesus the bible is the bonding tool of information . Like in school we all learn in different methods paces wills and levels so as the knowledge of good and evil in the boible and each individual. So cant you see the bible is not bad at all but is available for each individual to decide and persons should respect their chioce and thoughts as if it were themselves .Not told by some charly this or that its a private matter .Satan on the other hand comes into lives uninvited at times because of ignorance of his ability to do so and what we can educate ourselves with he wants to turn it against us so we do not want to embrace true knowledge. It basically common sense.

Black or White , dead or alive Good or Bad , Satan or God . actually the bible is the only book that explains both realities and the purpose of mankinds involvement . questions of meaning of life. I enjoy the information it has brought me , but its a constant research in the book . there is a reward some piece of mind. but everyone is different .

EVERY MAN MUST FIND THEIR OWN TRUTH IN THIS WORLD AND LET THEM ALLOWED TO DO IT WITHOUT DISREGUARD. RESPECTING THE CHOICE WE ALL HAVE FREE WILL TO CHOOSE.

GETTING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL THREADS TOPIC IS BASICLY FOR ME "Its all in the same , a key starts a cars engine , its like a tool such as quigie board , taro cards is like starting the actual invitations of activity . All around if invited in , ignorance of this or not is inviting a disembodied spirit of a evil and it usually progresses into an elevation or different forms .ITS ALL THE SAME ORGIN

Exactly!.... and on that note please refrain from preaching your personal beliefs on the bible. "Go to the Spirituality vs Skepticism board" for that. In my FREE WILL opinion it's a history book written by MEN in their own opinions and accounts of what happened.


BACK TO TOPIC: If you can explain to "Trenner D" of your PERSONAL experiences of Demons(not what the bible says or any book for that matter) and have come to a conclusion on what the actual difference is in hauntings....then I think we would all be interested.

Thank you SilverRain Queen, you have been the most helpful by far, and I completely agree with the majority of your sentiments.

I wish people would realize I was simply noticing a pattern, and wondered if it was mere coincidence or if there was something more to it. I thought it was interesting, and I definitely was not out to spark a debate about wicca vs. satanism or anything of the sort.

I personally don't think of "wicca" along the lines of black magic, or satanic- occults- I would think the intent of the craft would seperate it from the genuine dark forces-...

I agree, there is the "red book" and the "black book" that go into great detail, with eyewitnesses accounts. etc,. it's actually very interesting if you have the time to read it... , I also agree that there occurances that seem to overall seperate the two, spook hauntings, and demonic ones... The bell witch, imo, would be a prime example of demonic. There are no experts, it's just our opinions, and own experiences. You know what I mean-- here is the "red book" you may find the black book here as well...
http://bellwitch02.tripod.com/the_red_book.htm

Yep, to clarify myself, I posted few minutes earlier, amf, regarding what I thought of the "wicca" and dark force difference. Maybe many don't agree- but, I can't see placing Wicca in with society's term for 'witchcraft' or satanic cults, or "voodoo" even..etc,. I *think* ( I say this hesitantly) it's in the intent of the craft, what's the basis of the craft-- but this is just me. I believe Wicca is more positive energy based, or something or another.

If you know anything about it (WICCA) up to (you) to educate folks about it when you get the chance. Not the TV.

There are many many people who mix the two: witches with broom sticks eating little children, and Wicca! Few know about Wicca...

I agree with you Sunny and I also don't place tarot as a dark art either

That's right!- In my opinion, it's something about the (intent) to do harm, or *negative* practice- In the tarot case, if "dark force," then all psychics/mediums are evil if tarots are ultimately evil/bad- therefore the gift is inately evil, not true!
Psychics are born. Are they simply "born evil?" or born "bad?" Nope, I don't think so-- so is the power of their gifts great-- so, then it comes greater responsibility with their gifts and how they use their gifts, that is how I see it! This goes for all gifts.

Hello all,

This is my first post on this website. I am excited about sharing with you all.

I have come out of the false religion of christianity and I'm searching for more knowledge. Knowledge which I was discouraged from obtaining from that religious faction.

My question is that the answer to the heading of this thread is not clear to me - what is the difference betweeb a demon and a witch entity?

Haha, I am trying to find out if there IS a difference!

When I said witchcraft, I was not referring to Wicca. Why is it so impossible that their is actual witchcraft that is separate from both Wicca and Satanism? In the stories I read and watched, no mention of Wicca or Satanism was made.

Welcome aboard!

Actually the question was: What is the difference between a Demon and a Witch Invoked entity?

If you go through and read all the posts in this topic, you may find your anwers.

I was thinking the topic said the difference b/t a spook haunting, and a demonic haunting....I didn't realize it said "witch invoked." :/

Witch Inoked or Witchcraft Invoked definitely fits better; I should have been more clear. I have a problem with finding the right words sometimes.

The truth is too often I don't pay attention to the title of the thread, I just jump into the first post, and go from there. Im not making excuses, i've just had a long few days... LOL!!

i read as much as i can about the paranormal as well, i wouldnt really worry if it was a demon or a witch craft entitiy as long as theres a way to stop them im happy

Isn't it that demons are slaves of witches who are guided by strong elementals ?
Whoever was stronger always win the battle.

There are a lot of labels being used here and many various definitions are being ascribed to them. Which is fine in a debate on witchcraft and wiccans et al, but that's not what this thread was about to begin with. Maybe we should start a separate one for that?

Getting back on topic: demons vs. witchcraft entities.

Many things in life are neither good nor bad, or appear to be one or the other depending upon your perspective. E.g. fire can be a great thing - keeps your house warm or cooks your food etc., but get burned and fire becomes a bad thing. So it seems with this idea of demons. An entity can be many different things depending upon our perspective of it.

I have encountered forces and entities in my time as a witch and previously during spiritualism/mediumship workshops. Some aided and some hindered. I wouldn't know if one was a 'demon' or an 'angel' and as such I would say that people should be careful in summoning them. Those witches and mediums I have worked with tend to agree and don't profess to know all there is to know about these entities. We can all sit here and debate the terminology but the truth is that we know very little about paranormal forces and entities, so how can we hope to control something we know very little about?

the demon figure is something is considered more symbolic I think to describe the elements of this "energy" maybe its just the way we percieve it, the human mind likes to customize these things to suite our needs ..........B

That's the words i wanted to hear. And witches or sorcerers never reveal secret things.