For a long time now I have wondered if we are in Iraq for other reasons. Does America have teams of researchers in Iraq looking for ancient secrets? Ancient Technology, origins of human development and civilization, links to our alien heritage, stargate technology, ect. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on the subject. I for one believe we are nearing monumental discoverys and events. Such that it will cause a majority of the human population to question everything they have ever been taught to think.

use the search engine,, there has been a good thread about this allready..

star-gate ?-LOL

but iraq is a very interesting place . there are some super ancient --long gone cities there like UR . i traveled around UR just after GW-1 .

one of the most desolate places on the planet -yet one of first cities once thrived there.

allot of ancient history artifacts--the oldest surviving in the world were lost during the looting of the great museum in bagdad . some have been recovered . but i fear many artifacts are lost forever.

Oil, and dont try and blame the goverment for trying to get oil. Do you have any idea how toufgh it would be for you to live your life if USA and canada didnt have oil. Think about it if ur gonna blame the goverment ur basicly a hypocrite.

what the F*** are you talking about area 51.

they are in Iraq; searching for the reason they've been in a religous war for 8000 years...I think they found it...

catseye2012:

There are several reasons why we are in Iraq, ancient secrets can definitely be one of them.

LOL, I thought the stargate was in Egypt...

Come and listen to a story about a man named Cheney
A poor westerneer, barely kept his family fed,
Then one day he was shootin at some food,
And up through the ground came a bubblin crude.

Oil that is, black gold, Iraqi tea.

Well the first thing you know ol Cheny's a multi-billionaire,
Kinfolk said "Cheney move away from there"
Said "Iraq is the place you ought to be"
So they loaded up the truck and moved to become Iraqi.

[quote name='TheOsirian' date='Nov 18 2006, 04:38 PM' post='1431566']
Come and listen to a story about a man named Cheney
A poor westerneer, barely kept his family fed,
Then one day he was shootin at some food,
And up through the ground came a bubblin crude.

Oil that is, black gold, Iraqi tea.

Well the first thing you know ol Cheny's a multi-billionaire,
Kinfolk said "Cheney move away from there"
Said "Iraq is the place you ought to be"
So they loaded up the truck and moved to become Iraqi.
[/quote
you are a true DEE D DEE

A nice post started. A post to think about other posibilities.
A post to use your imagination.

SO *****G LEAVE THE POLITICS OUT FOR ONCE PEOPLE.

Heh - in the face of everything that's transpired since it started, imagination is hardly required when it comes to figuring out why they're there. The Nazis - I could see them going in for reasons relating to archaeology and/or the occult. Hitler was a spiritualist freak. But Americans? Half of them can't even correctly spell archaeology.

There are likely thousands of ancient ruins and long hidden secrets under the desert of Iraq and Iran. Perhaps some of them pushing 10,000 years, but most of the artifacts and technologies have probably been looted long ago.
Wasn't that ancient battery found in the middle east somewhere?

American bashing . Such fun.

Totally agreed. Some people seem to think Americans are totally happy with the state of politics and are so uneducated they don't even take a look at what the polls say we really think. I won't even go into the last presidential elections... *sighs*

I'd also have to say it's about the oil. The US is way too dependant on everyone else's when we have a lot of it right here at home. I'm as concerned about the environment as anyone, but when national security is at stake, concessions need to be made. It's not worth a war.

yeah, its called the Bagdad battery, if you wanna google it.

You know a few years ago all I heard about was the "rude americans", boy has that seemed to turn around. Now days some of the rudest people on message boards are NOT american. I think it's a prime example of adolescents of ALL countries doing a poor job of representing their country to the world. If it is listed take a look at the average age of the rude posters, it will be a big wakeup call.

Don't divert the subject and try to paint yourself as a victim. Someone is asking if the reason why the Americans are in Iraq is because of ancient secrets. Here's an ancient secret: Whatever Nation is the most dominant one during any time period (right now it's the Americans and China) will use any means possible to coerce, steal, lie, kill, denigrate their way into anyone else's country to take resources out. Ancient secrets my [censored].

Like I said, Hitler was a spiritualist freak. I could see the Nazis going in for ancient secrets, but not the Americans. Different leadership - different aspirations. All the "looting" going on was for mere showing off and selling on EBAY - nothing more.

And I'm 38.

Thanks louie, that battery does go a long way to prove the advanced technology of the ancient middle east.

They are the victims when you slam every American without cause. If you don't want to divert the subject, don't stereotype and slam Americans. If you don't want people to think you're an adolescent, don't show adolescent behaviors like unreasonable bias and prejudices. That's all I have to say, please don't expect me to come back and have one of those silly thread arguments with you, there is no argument to be had.

I won't restate my opinion on the topic just to pretend I'm staying on topic. Just call me a patriot.

Sounds good to me.

Plato once said " Let them hate us, as long as they fear us " that pretty much sums up all Anti-American emotion

Hi Catseye :-)

Yeah, I thought that too. Although I haven't done extensive research on the subject, I have heard interviews with seemingly credible people who've stated that the real Stargate program doesn't have remote viewing as it's main focus; rather, there appear to be real stargates in Iraq, and that is part of the reason we are there. They go on further to state that although remote viewing hasn't been the real focus of that governmental project, remote viewing has been used to locate these Stargates.

I've also heard that these Stargates are going to be opening soon. Again, I have no absolute proof of what I have posted. I only want to say this is what I've heard.

http://ashiana.conforums.com/index.cgi

~ Isis

Iraq is also nearly dead center in the middle of the Middle East - with Afghanistan and more importantly, China just a few hours away. China is emerging as a superpower, and I predict that it will soon come out with a highly efficient low cost vehicle that will really usurp the North American and European markets. They've already released one prototype and you can be sure they're going to develop a reliable vehicle that will cost consumers under ten thousand dollars to purchase, which will certainly nearly destroy American carmakers unless they close domestic ops and relocate overseas (heh - like Asia) where labour is cheaper. Translation: someone had better get their hands on that oil so that it can control who controls the money. I wonder who that someone is?

I come from Alberta, and I can tell you first hand that refining tar sands into useable oil is a bit like eating sunflower seeds: lots of effort - little gain. Many parts of canada'a far north look like the moon, and as a Native person from that area, I get pissed off when reading/hearing about information diversions such as this thread leading away from the issues or true reasons for such catastrophes.

Stargate, ancient batteries and the like - these may be sideshows, but for dang sure the real attraction is the oil.

If people really wanted to liberate the Iraqis, then why didn't anyone interfere when the Hutus and Tutsis were decapitating each other with machetes? What highly valuable resource do African countries have? Nothing except for sparse and relatively low producing diamond mines and some offshore rigs.

Columbia: cocaine. Iraq: oil. Simple enough?

But hey, stargates might exist too. I'm just saying...let's not put our heads in the sand here regarding the main purpose.

Ok. Talk about ancient secrets all you want. I'm out of this thread for good. Sorry for the thread kidnap. Ciao.

Possibly been said, but I only have a short time, so apologies if it has been.

but a biblical reason could be that Iraq is one of the oldest civilisations on the planet and also supposedly the site of the Garden of Eden.

http://www.metahistory.org/GnosticOrigins.php

A scribal note written on the margin of Alciabides I, a work attributed to Plato, attests to the legend that Zoroaster lived in the 7th millenium BCE. Several other classical sources, including Aristotle, Pliny, and Plutarch, also tell us that “the Magian,” lived 6,000 years before the death of Plato. In her extraordinary and little-known book, Plato Prehistorian, Mary Settegast situates the rise of the Magian Order, the original priesthood of ancient Iranian religion, in the Age of the Twins, around 5500 BCE, a date supported by the Greek sources. Settegast refers here to Zodiacal timing based on the precession of the equinoxes.

The Age of the Twins, or Geminian Age, lasted from 6200 to 4300 BCE. The motif of duality associated with the constellation of the Twins is consistent with the central theme of Iranian religion, absolute cosmic duality, Good versus Evil. But this type of duality is not what we find in Gnostic teachings. In Not in His Image, I distinguish single-source duality from two-source duality (the two-source hologram of Philip K. Dick). The latter is typical of Gnostic writings. In the Sophia mythos, there is no internal split in the Godhead (the Pleroma), but there is an anomalous projection from it, setting up a two-world scenario.

http://www.steinerbooks.org/detail.html?se...p;id=0961733314

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/07/...acts/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Customs agents, working with military and museum experts at the National Museum in Baghdad, have recovered nearly 40,000 manuscripts and about 700 artifacts, government officials announced in Washington Wednesday, leaving perhaps only a few dozen key pieces missing.


Anyone believe that?

"The real scandal now is not theft from institutions, which are under 24-hour guard, but the plundering of Iraq’s most ancient archaeological sites. Freelance excavators are hunting not for grand artefacts, but instead seals, inscriptions and earthenware — Iraqi treasures which still lie, undiscovered, in the earth.

The country’s oldest cities — Isin, Uruk and Nineveh — are being robbed. Unlike the Baghdad museum, there are no inventories to say what untold treasures have been lost.

“The problem with Iraq is if you dig pretty much anywhere, you’ll find something ancient and interesting,” an officer in Interpol’s Stolen Works of Art Department says. He estimates that looted antiquities worth millions of pounds are being spirited out of Iraq for private collections. "

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,592-1309942,00.html

http://www.illuminati-news.com/downing-street-memos.htm

The answer is that there is several reasons.

And yes, Oil is one. Ancient artifacts and the occult is a second. A third one is the fact that the elite who are pushing for a one world order do not control the middle east at the moment, and thats what they are trying to achieve: Complete control. And yes this is an ancient war they are fighting its got nothing to do with politics, its a religious war, an occult war. Saddam Hussein claims to be the reincarnation of an ancient Emperor - and Bush speaks with God (his God anyway) and these are not coincidences, this is because this is their reality. They only mask the wars as other things - that includes the ritual sacrifices they perform in the disguise of terrorism and war, and even accidents (such as the space shuttle). The dates they make these different events happen are also of spesific importance to them, as they base their belief system on numerology among other things. They used to practise their magick, rituals and sacrifices openly some thousand years ago (just some hundreds years back too for that matter) - now they just do it secretly and in ways that are constructed to look like something else. If you dont believe this is true, then ask yourself what these elites of the world are being members in all these secret occult societies and orders for. Its not just to have some tea parties now and then

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There's lots of puzzling stuff out there......

http://www.4rie.com/

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=3718

http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/files/bush/rituals.htm

I would say that first, second, and third, it's oil. This is clear from US and UK planning documents going back about 60 years. But it's not so much that the US wants to use the oil. It is more about controlling the price of oil. It is not that the US would not have enough oil without Iraq. It is that an autonomous source of oil would sabotage any one bloc's ability to set prices. US actions make sense in this light, and speculations about ancient secrets, while fun and interesting, don't have much if any power to explain what Washington and London are up to.

cree-py

...yeah, I buy that weird stuff has something to do with it... I have nothing but paranoia to back that up...

9 Interesting Notes On the History of Iraq
- sent to me by K.D. -
(Posted here by Wes Penre for Illuminati News, October 3, 2004)

1. The garden of Eden was in Iraq.



2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization.

3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.

4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq.

5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq.

6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq.

7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.

8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.

9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel.

10. Amos cried out in Iraq!

11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem.

12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq!

13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the fiery furnace.)

14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq.

15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.

16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.

17. The wise men were from Iraq.

18. Peter preached in Iraq.

19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon,which was a city in Iraq.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/iraqi-war.htm
http://www.illuminati-news.com/19-iraq-notes.htm

http://www.tamilnation.org/intframe/index.htm



"Readers of Aspects will no doubt be surprised at the fact that we have chosen to bring out a special issue apparently not on any aspect of India’s political economy, but on the impending US assault on Iraq. However, we believe the two - India’s political economy and the most important current world development - are connected, and as the current offensive drive unleashed by the US worldwide proceeds, the implications for our region will become clearer. Even as the US prepares to launch a massive assault on Iraq, it has declared India to be its most important military ally in the Asian region (not including west Asia)—this despite the fact that it has three bases in Pakistan at the moment... Not only is the US increasingly dependent on West Asian oil for its own consumption; its capture of West Asian oil is also intended to secure its supremacy among imperialist powers. The global crisis of overproduction is showing up the underlying weakness of the US real economy, as a result of which US trade and budget deficits are galloping. The euro now poses a credible alternative to the status of the dollar as the global reserve currency, threatening the US’s crucial ability to fund its deficits by soaking up the world’s savings. The US anticipates that the capture of Iraq, and whatever else it has in store for the region, will directly benefit its corporations (oil, arms, engineering, financial) even as it shuts out the corporations from other imperialist countries. Further, it intends to prevent the bulk of petroleum trade being conducted in euros, and thus maintain the dollar’s supremacy...."

Oil of course, but now there is an american army in marching distance to Megiddo in Israel where according to the Book of REvelation, the forces of light (US and Israel) will fight the forces of the antichrist (Islam).

Now, an educated person will say that Revelation is a nonsense because much of it is stolen from earliar Zoroastrian scriptures, but what if God thought that since the majority of Christians believed this nonsense that he might as well make it happento give them a "sign"?

I've read this list of crap before somewhere...an email I think! Where in the hell does it say the wise men were from Iraq...it refers to them only as Kings of the East!

It is not because of ancient secrets, not even because of oil that we are in Iraq- it's because:

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!

Yeah but Bush is camped at the spawn point.

I know its popular to critisize the United States, rightfully so, but let us all remember the good and charity that also comes from the USA.

It never makes headline news, but the United States gives more aid, education, money, and food than ANY OTHER by a VERY large margin. Thought I'd just offer this reminder because I forget sometimes.

Very true. I find it both comforting and disturbing to contemplate that America may indeed be the new Atlantis. Both great and terrible stuff went down there too apparently. America, you are a great and beautiful nation marred by the dominant wills of a handful of people. if you manage to turn it around, you may have just pulled off what every other nation wished it could to its own throughout history.

But compared to its GDP this output is very small indeed.

Its all in the good book

refferences to the bible ????? thats big important due to the fact that they are bibleacal accounts they speak of , its only fair to have the source. Its just their word against gods word , refferences prove the source do you have any ? did this articlae provide where the info came from?

Could you explain this a bit more. Besides what is happening now with the terrorism what makes you think that US and Israel are the forces of light and Islam is the force of the antichrist? Especialy when we consider that just like the Christians, Islam is preaching about Jesus return and Judaism never accepted Jesus as the Messiah and denounces his return?

I do not have the slightest doubt that there could be more then the fight against terrorism and the fight for Oil in Iraq. Unfortunately there is to much room for speculation.

But, then again, it is suspicios that since the begining of the biblical time everything a kind of is happening in and around Iraq. There could be more to it then we think.

The Jews did not accept Jesus as the Messiah because He did not fullfill his role as Messiah by destroying the enemies of the Jews. God could hardlly blame them for that. God sent the mighty Seraph dragon Satan to assist Jesus in destroying the Gentile enemies of Israel, but He spurned Satan's help because it would have meant a massive bloodbath to pagans who never received His message. So Jesus chose to by saviour of pagan souls rather than the King of a Jewish empire on Earth. But God would not penalize the Jews for their faith in the scripture, and Jesus did not fulfill the scripture. This doesn't makle him false, it just means he chose to attempt saving the whole world and not just the Jews.

Mohammed was recognized as the Antichrist by Christian leaders shortly after he began his bloody reign of conquest of former Christian lands. It is no matter that Islam recognizes the prophets of the Bible, for Islam does deny Jesus is the Son of God, and therefore, the ANTI-Christ. Does this mean every Moslem is damned. Probably not, that would not be the nature of Jesus. It is probable each person is judged on his own merits, but accepting Christianity only makes it easier.

Hm.

But what about Jesus Christianity and todays christianity? There is a huge difference.
Jesus was agains idolatry yet he was made an Idol.
Mohamed was not recognized by Christian leaders as the Antichrist. In fact he had a huge support by christians on his fights against pagans.

Anyways, I took another direction from the topic, I appologize for that.

And compared to its national debt it is far, far too extravagant.

We went into Iraq to remove an evil mass murderer (whom we'd been forced through necessity to support in the past) from power. And then to replace him with a pro-western govt that would act as a safer and more cooperative buffer between the rest of the Middle East and Tehran.

We achieved the first goal. We're nowhere near achieving the second.

And that's it.

The national debt is extravagant, thank you China, the foreign aid is piecemeal by comparison. What about the foreign Gain? What headlines does that ever make in the superior interior of all westie nashuns?

People seem to forget that a lot now. :3

I don't know much about Iraq. If they find anything, I'll be interested in learning about the country.

That's nonsense. Mohammed was conquering Christian lands. All of North Africa was once Christian, as was most of Western Asia. He was indeed declared the anti-christ by Christian theologians of the period.

I agree that Jesus would never approve the character of most Christian denominations. Maybe this is why he did not return "soon", as viertually all of the NT scriptures predicted. But on the other hand, may there was a conscious effort on his part to let pagan dogma creep into his teaching in order to attain more adherents to the faith.