My friend told me that about 2 months ago, he and his girlfriend went to this church who believes in talking in tongues. If anyone doesn't know what that means, it is when God literally talks through the person. Then someone must stand up and translate the message. Anyway, he said that this guy started talking, interrupting the minister, and began talking in tongue. Well this went on for 10 minutes. Finally, at the end of the speech, the minister translated it and it went something like this. "My children, the evil one is here. I am on my way to rescue my children, my believers. YOU must be spiritually ready for my return. The wicked one is alive on Earth and is here." I dunno what that means but it freaked me out.

How convenient that there is an interpreter to translate the message......

Unless the speaker is speaking in a recognizable language (current or ancient) then, it is merely a hysterical expression of a persons desire to receive a message from god.

Or, at worst, a blatant attempt by the minister and an accomplice to dupe the unwise.

I would be even more leery of these 'translations' than I am of this whole talking in tongues business.

I look at it this way. If a church believes in talking in tounges, than guess what. Jesus will reach out to them because they actually believe in it and won't dismiss it. Btw, You didn't hear the minister say "Donate 100 dollars to the church" did you? The minister has nothing to gain from this. BTW, I believe that people who minister at these churches must take alot of foreign language classes. And to dupe the unwise, wouldn't the minister say "God says go to Satan" o_O He didn't. I believe any of your explainations don't really cover it.

Talking in tongues has nothing to do with knowing foreign languages. And yes, the minister does have something to gain: the fear of his congregation, to make them stick around. People have been doing this for thousands of years. Saying that 'soon' Jesus will return is what has kept the Christian faith from dying out completely.

He doesn't have anything to gain monetary wise. Yes, that could be a possibility to keep them around, but why? and you weren't there. My friend said that he got goosebumps and the man's eyes rolled in the back of his head. Isn't that freaky? Don't say acting, I know it is coming. I don't believe a minister would want to just "keep them around for anything", I believe end times are near because of all the signs of end times are really happening. I mean yes, occasionally 3-5 signs would be on Earth at same time, but literally ALL are happening now and you wouldn't go against the world of God would you?

Talking in Tongues is a crock. Voodoo religion at its best.

Of course not. The minister has no need to ask for money- the faithful will gladly fork over cash for 'the cause'...........

Do you really think that god has need of such theatrics to spread the message?

And of course, the "message" is not one of hope, or wise teachings, or inspirational, but a dire warning about the devil and the evil bogey man.

But, if it gives you a wrm fuzzy feeling to believe in such rigamorole, then who am I to try to stop you.

Enjoy your apocolyptical yearnings.

You are going to make that argument? You weren't there either. People tend to exaggerate, especially when they believe said things themselves. Did you expect him/her to tell you that they felt nothing during this 'incredible' event?

That is pure ignorance. Because you don't believe in something you must dismiss it. O YES YOUR ALWAYS RIGHT I'M SORRY I AM ALWAYS WRONG. If you don't believe in it, then don't insult. That is what is wrong with humans. If you don't believe in something or you haven't ever see something, means that you don't believe in it. Your ignorant if you want to suppress me or anyone else with your beliefs.That is what you are doing. Wanting me and anyone else that believes in 'Talking in Tongues' to dismiss the theory completely. BTW, it clearly states that at end time, the church would be raptured up. So, if true believers heard this message, they won't donate money to the church because IT WON'T BE THERE IN A FEW YEARS!!.

I'm guessing that 'it' refers to the Bible? And if so, did you expect it to read that all of the faithful would die horribly, as well? Who would buy it then?

ummmm, where does it 'clearly' state this?

And you believe this wholeheartedly, with no otherproff than "your friends told you"

Soooooo another of the faithful has his beliefs 'proven' by a little bit of theatrics.


I think I'm in the wrong business..........

I have read it somewhere on the Bible either in the book of Daniel or Revelation that The Church would be raptured up into heaven.

Here we go, you are trying to impose your beliefs on me. I will not be sarcastic or insult you because you don't believe in the same thing I do. That is your opinion, you are wrong, but that is your opinion. You are wrong because you go against the Word of God and God is divine.

True languages are consistent.
An alien language from man's is still consistent.
This how we detect languages among animals.

I speak in tongues. I got babtized in the Holy Spirit this last summer. It is actually God message, being spoken through you by the Holy Spirit. So yes it's God's messaged but the Holy Spirit relaying it.

Acts 2
1When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.

I believe the message above was that the person the antichrist spirit will possess is already alive. He is saying to be ready for the world to get crazy as the end time gets closer and for prophecies to start being rapidly fulfilled as is already happening.

kid, if you only knew........

I am not trying to impose my views on you. You asked "Speaking in Tongues. Anyone Beleive?"

Obviously I don't. If you choose to believe such, I wouldn't dream of trying to change your mind.

Oh, and BTW, if you are so sure that the "end" is coming in a few years, then there is no need for you to learn anything, or do anything, or fall in love with anyone, or anything else, is there?
Just sit quietly waiting for your god to sweep you all up.

Of course.......

Perhaps you AREN'T one of the chosen. Just something for you to think about.

There is a lot to do. The bible does not say that if you are saved you will necessarily be raptured.

Luke 21: 34-35
34"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. 35For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."

We have to be counted worthy of escaping the tribulation, but regardless of being raptured or not, if a person is saved, then they are saved, period. God has told us to do our best to get every person on earth saved. That is a LOT to do. I know that every person will not be saved because it is prophecied, and that saddens me greatly. God has given me strength and I will us every ounce of it to fight for Him to the end.

Yup that must have been quite the performance.

I have been in situations that I knew where the real thing. It is nothing like that. It is trancing, I do it as part of my Druidry. It is your higher self speaking to your higher power, whatever it may be. The Christians I talked to generally don't remember what was said, same with me. It is like you know there is a conversation going on, but you don't know what is being said. I always feel much better after a trance my out look if brighter, and I have more strength. It doesn't happen every time I do a ritual, only when I am in need of it and I don't have much control over when that is, either.

Dont listen to druids there all new age tree huggers. Jk being stupid.

From all the info ive read and my experience. I say it was just his subconcious, and the druid is right it is trancing, but I disagree with him on the higher power part.
If he was Hindu he would be talking about there prophecys. And if he was athiest I guess it would be Aliens or something.

Reminds me of Dee and Kelly. And if what you say is true, then what they said is true also.

Hey! I resemble that remark.

jk is not stupid he has a different point of view from the rest of us "normal people"

One religion calls it one thing and another calls it something else. Its really the same thing whatever you call it.

It's pure Poppycock. Anyone can do it...try it. Just start talking jibberish. It is easier if you have some Blood of Jesus first.

I went to some really strange churches (not by choice) as a kid.

I saw people throwing themselves on the floor and screaming and other people supposedly speaking in tongues. And it was always after going up to be "blessed" by the pastor.

Do you have any clue of what this does to a young child's mind when you go up for your blessing to find that you do not "feel the spirit" the way these other people do? We'd go up for the "blessing" and nothing would happen. And they would all sit/stand and wait. And... nothing.....

The people of that church thought I as well as a few other children (my sister included) were possessed by evil and made us walk in a circle holding hands while they chanted some weird stuff to supposedly take the demons from us. They threw vegetable oil on us to "bless" us with as well..

And all this while being raised in a Catholic school as well.

Let's just say that I've developed my own beliefs about God and religion and I DO NOT believe that people can speak in tongues. I think it's more of an individual releasing their selves thru this means. We all have some wild animalistic senses to us that we keep under control since we are civilized people.

I believe in God and NOT religion. There is a difference.

NiCkC818, all I can advise you is to be careful of any religion. They all are run by politics and greed and use guilt and fear of the masses to keep the people paying their bills. Remember that it is also said that there will be many deceiving those who are vulnerable. Listen to your heart. We are all instilled with the knowledge of what is right and true. And I doubt that a true, loving God would use fear as a means to keep people around. Love is the key.

Fascinating subject.

I had a relative who went to an english american church where they speak in tongues once. This particular relative of mine also knew and spoke german.

To his surprise when a man fell to floor and started 'speaking in tongues' the man actually was speaking german. Of course no one else in the audience understood, and thought he was take over by the holy spirit.

But the words uncontrollably coming out of this man's mouth were a bunch of german swear words!!! Of course everyone in the audience didn't know that except my relative. This led him to believe the phenomenon of speaking in tongues was actually demon possesion!!

Acts 19:6 - And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied

The tongue speaking experience is found 3 times in the book of Acts, but may have occured other times. But seems to have occured mostly at Pentecost (Acts 2). Tongues served as a sign to the Jews that the Gentiles were equal in the Church of God. And in Ephesus, the gift of tongues was for the benefit of the speakers.

1 Corinthians 12:10 - To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Here the gift of tongues speaking seems to have been limited to speaking in [foreign] languages (cf. Acts 2:4; 10:46; 19:6)

1 Corinthians 14:22 - Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Tongues are for a sign: That is to be understood as a general reference of divine power evidenced in the exercise of the gift. Its purpose was to demonstrate divine power to the unbeliever. However, if an unbeliever should visit a church where gifts are being exvercised without regard for order or understanding, the results will be just the opposite.

1 Corinthians 13:1 - Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Tongues of angels seems to imply speaking in a language unknown to us. Probably given by the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit. I'm sure there are other passages on tongue speaking but I can't think of them right now. People still speak in tongues today, but some Christians deny this probably because they can't speak in tongues. Hope this helps. Isn't the tongue an amazing instrument.

Love,
Madeline

This is the very kind of church I was raised in. I felt was fake and insulting to God and the Holy Spirit.It was even professed to be fake by some who practised it, they felt they needed to help the Holy Spirit along. I don't really feel like it was done to dupe anyone, just a sick sense of peer pressure,to have God speak through them. Also In the church I attended as a young person, it was almost expected of you, you couldn't minister, sing in the church, cast a vote, or be a sunday school teacher or nursery sitter without having been filled with some outward sign of the Holy Spirit.

Or maybe he had just shut his wiener in the hymnal.

Yes demons definitely speak audibly as well. If one has the Holy Spirit in him though, he can sense when the Holy Spirit is speaking through another person, or if it's a demon. People connecting with the spiritual realm and speaking in demonic tongues is quite common.

1 John 4
Test the Spirits
1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

theres two forums of speaking in tongues. 1 god speaking to the church must have an interperator after its been spoken three times without an interperator it must stop..then you have the individual speaking in tongues which when one has first received the baptism of the holy ghost they speak with cloven tongues..then you have the gifts of the holy ghost and speaking in tongues..foreign lanuages...some get freaked out about it some dont without revelation to one one can not understand..gods word says without the holyghost you are none of his. we must be born again of the water (in the name of jesus) and of the spirit or we can not enter into the kindom of heaven..

No I don't believe in this 'speaking in tongues'. I've seen it in action and it's a load of crap.

But if you haven't experienced it yourself how do you know for sure? Experience is everything, until it happens to you; you never know whether it is real or not. Like I said I have been where I knew the people and knew they wouldn't fake it, besides there are physical manifestations that occur. The body heats up like one has a fever. Later when it happen to me as a Pagan I understood what was happening in the context of my religion.

Here's a link about a recently conducted study on speaking in tongues.

Link

Interesting Link there RachelM

and yes luminousphoenix you dont have to tell me. I know much of religion is based on corruption and money and greed, but you have to ask yourself, if YOU really believe in end times and that end times is near, would YOU donate money to the church? I wouldn't. And for that, that is the reason why I believe that the Minister didn't have a vested interest.

Money is not the only motivation. Social influence can be just as intoxicating and often gathers much more quietly that financial power.

Great link, there is the evidence of the effect on the brain, this is a real phenomena. Now as for the cause????

IMO two things are going on. First, some of it is simply a bunch of crock, peer pressure as previous people have posted. However secondly, some of it is truely channeling, or mediumship. Channeling is simply communication with entities in the spiritual realm and a medium is someone that can accomplish this communication. Look at the lable Holy Spirit. Does that remind anyone else of the spiritual realm, or is it just me? This leads to the questions of who or what entities are in the spiritual realm and what are they in contact with during their trances. Trances during channeling involves losing control, so the science paper in the link above supports this. I would be wary of the information derived through channeling of anyone that does not have experience in channeling. I have learned that there are spirits of lower and higher frequencies, and I feel that the lower frequencies are not to be trusted.

Some ideas of what various religions say are in the spiritual realm are departed souls, angels, spirit guides and teachers, gods or God, acsended masters, demons and the devil.

I also believe that going into trance can play havoc with one's brain if they are not experinced, so take what they say with a grain of salt.

So I obviously see a link between religion and channeling and this can be a scary thought when one considers people following whatever is channeled blindly without knowing the source of the information. I believe that the best way to tell if you are contacting a lower or higher frequency is in the content of the message. Would someone follow an ouija board blindly. I hope not, so be careful what you believe when dealing with 'speaking in tongues' or mediumship. To those Christians who think ugh when they hear mediumship but praise speaking in tongues, I think your very confused and are being blinded by your religion.

good point, if this speaking in tongues stuff is some type of communication from non human sources, there really is no way of telling who's actually doing the talking.

i guess the best advice when dealing with such claims is "keep your saltshaker handy."

I would also be wary of any 'translations' of someone speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues in the Bible was actually reference to when people were 'moved by the holy spirit and speaking, and yet everyone understood what they were saying, even if they were from a foriegn country. So the idea was not that the possessed people were speaking in a foriegn tongue, but rather that people of a foriegn tongue could understand them. PA pointed this out to me in another link I started on speaking in tongues. I posted a video of a kid who was lying on the floor convulsing, and yet this was supposed to be speaking in tongues. It looked rather sick to me.

You know, honestly it reminds me of back when I was a kid and I had friends that made up their own language.

It doesn't seem like such a mystifying thing to me. lol

And NickC818, I wouldn't give money to any church, regardless. I hate when they try to throw the guilt/fear factor up in the mix and make it seem like we are all obligated to give our money, like "God says so in the Bible" I actually walked out of the last church because they started twisting the words of the Bible to their financial advantage. (I hadn't been to a church in nearly a decade and after 3 times going, that really made me mad. Not to mention they started mailing me letters all freaked out that I hadn't "checked in" in a few weeks. LOL)

All of the principles of all the languages which are spoken in the world exist within the genes of our sexual hormones; i.e. at puberty the male body begins producing a lot of the hormone testosterone, which causes changes in several parts of the body, especially the voice. The larynx also known as the voice box, grows bigger. So, when reach puberty these atomic sexual substances of our sexual hormones raise to our brain and larynx and this is why the tone of our voice changes.

"In the beginning was the WORD."

The power of tongues is the capacity to speak and understand all of the languages of the world. The Holy Spirit is the life giver and abides within our sexual secretions; this is why it is stated:

1 Corinthians, chapter 6: 18, 19: "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man does is without the body; but he that commits fornication sins against his own body.
What? Do not you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which you have of God, and ye are not your own?"

Fornication is rooted in Greek word “Pronea” which means whoredom. “Pronea” is also the root of the popular modern word “Porn.”

Therefore, the one who fornicates commits a crime against him or her own body; they sin against their own Holy Ghost (sexual creative energy), since this is the only energy that can gives the true Power of Tongues.

Within our sexual hormones live the atoms of the cosmic grammar; which is the divine language that was spoken in Eden and that is the source of all languages.
Modern “Christians” do not have the powers of tongues, but the epileptic insanity of the Confusion of Tongues, nonetheless, they blindly believe that their insanity is the power of tongues.

The thread is silly in the first place. If you didn't want people criticizing you then you shouldn't post it. I am a Christian and I think getting mad at others for their opinions is not what Christianity is all about. Christ doesn't need anyone taking up for him, he can do that himself.

If someone doesn't believe thats quite alright, its their path they are leading, and whatever they experience on the way is their experience and should be respected no matter what it may be.

As far as speaking in tongues. I can't prove or disprove it, so I just don't go there. If I experience a divine experience like this, then I take it and keep it for myself as a blessing. Your gonna get hit with all kinds of things with this type of thread, and you should be ready to take it on without feeling insulted.

Every possible way to ivent things that are so blantanly obviously BS that by there very absurdity is a huge clue,,oy vey, sweetie there ain't no santa and there ain't no tongues..LOL

No Santa?

Here in a nutshell is how you can interpret all Christian religion with all of its varying denominational differences:

You will need a few tools:
1. A vice-grip...preferably table mounted.
2. A large pair of channel-lock pliers.
3. A Bible.

Instructions: Place one end of the Bible in the Vice-Grip and tighten securely.
With the Large Pliers, grasp the other end of the Bible firmly. Now twist.
Continue twisting until it conforms to the 'look' you prefer.

LOL
Joc, i loves ya but I'm sorry to tell you Santa ain't real love...hands Joc a vice grip....lol

Re: Speaking in tongues, generally. The way I see it, if one can accept all that is implied by faith, they've already compromised the logical centers of their brain. So, much like what is seen in masses of people being caught up in emotion elsewhere, like the herd instinct model, speaking in tongues (gibberish) feeds the need to feel caught up in the flow of religious zeal. Just like faith, it's only translated to mean something if you believe.

wasnt the origin of speaking in tongues when one of the apostles was "possessed" by the holy spirit and learned to speak everyones language so he could spread the word of Christ? How did it go from that, to speaking alnguages no one can understand?

Maybe it goes back to that tower of Babel myth. Before, all people spoke the same language and as they grew more egoistic they sought to ascend to be equals with the gods, so they sought to build a tower so as to reach the heavens, the abode of the gods. And in seeing this the gods confounded the language of the peoples, so they would be confused and afraid and disperse from their goal.
Consequently, speaking in gibberish to some is a communique to certain ones, for their express understanding.

"blah blah blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda blah blah"

Can one of you translate what is written above??

No, but clearly you were inspired by an unseen power. All hail and pass the offering plate, baby needs a new pair of shoes.