I was just wondering if a few of you smart folks out there and others would like to express their opinion on why they think the world governments are so fascinated by space and especially Mars?
Since they claim that they would like to know if life ever existed on Mars, Yet..they insist on covering up extra-terestrial life from us as a form of protection from ourselves..whatever that means.... ..
They are very open with the public in regars to serching for life on Mars but shed no light what-so-ever on many ommon UFO Alien questions we have asked in the past...the famous "No Comment" comes to mind...

Take care and Thank you

Simple. The space exploration by NASA, ESA and others is science fact. The "government alien cover-up" is science fiction.

So the Other spoke first..I see.

Something to consider, there are reasons why sensitive information like this is classified...If it's true, it would indicate political powers realizing that the average human is not yet ready for otherworldly contact, convinced that the majority's primary purpose is still in the here & now. Mars is being considered for colonization, but realistically - can we really see that as reality in the next 100 years?

Also, the idea of humans keeping secrets...If there is a conspiracy, how can humans keep such an important discovery under raps for that long? Humans have an impulsiveness to question...Personally, I'm a bit skeptical about that - not because of the possibility of it being real, but more-so because of the unpredictability in human psychology.

BTW, this is the Space and Astronomy forum, not the Conspiracies forum.

So, let's see if I follow this corrrectly; if I think that interest in Mars is driven by scientific curiousity about our solar system and space, rather than some sort of 'Hoaglandesque' conspiracy (reference to Richard C. Hoagland The Monuments of Mars author) then I'm catagorized as being in the *other than smart folks* group?

I agree with Lilly. Judging by the original post this is thread is more appropriate for the Extraterrestrial Life & The UFO Phenomenon forum so I am moving it there.
Waspie_Dwarf

In my honest opinion, then it is because space is very fascinating and humans have always been a race devoted to exploration and the unknown. Mars is especially interesting as it has an atmosphere and there have been water. These factors might have been able to sustain some very primitive forms of life. Indeed, that could also be the case other places in the solar system, exemplified by the idea that below the ice surface of Jupiter's moon Europa is an ocean of liquid water that could sustain life as well. However, we do not have the means to mount a manned mission to Europe and even a manned mission to Mars is stretching it. So I guess the combination of practicality and many interesting features from a scientific point of view is what makes Mars so interesting for us.



Uhm, first of all you are making the assumption that the government is covering something up (ET). That is your opinion and you have every right to that. It is, however, not a fact and I am of the opinion that they are not covering ET up.



Well, does it really matter what the governments say? If they don't have ETs hidden somewhere and they said so, would you believe them? I get the feeling that the only right answer they could provide was the confirmation that ET exists and then parade him around. But if they really don't have ET, then what?



Very good point. Humans are amazingly inept at keeping secrets, which has been seen again and again. And somehow it always blows up into the governments face. So hiding and keeping secret a gigantic discovery as ET would be a fantastic feat. Especially thinking of Watergate (a simple burglary), the Iran-contra affair (US selling arms to iran and funding the Contras, an anti-communist guerrilla organization in Nicaragua). And the list goes on and on.

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Badeskov

Ancient humans once lived in Mars.

Would you mind indulging me and telling my why and how you know this? I, for one, certainly don't know that.

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Badeskov

Martian Pyramids

Space offers a safety valve if the Earth were ever to be made inimical to life (specifically human life).

Space offers access to a wealth of resources of virtually limitless quantity compared to what we have on Earth.

We have, as a species, an innate curiosity to learn and discover and this drives us to explore.

Mars is simply the next, most accessible place to advance our exploration of space. If Venus wasn't so hellish, we'd be looking to go there. If the moons of Jupiter were closer, we'd be looking to go there.

As stated above, Mars may have had surface water and a thicker atmosphere in the distant past. Thus there may be signs that life once started to develop there. This would be an incredible discovery and provide evidence for our suspicions about the ubiquity of life wherever the conditions are favourable.

I have considered Hoagland to be a fringe pseudoscientist, not really worth debunking. Sometimes these claims are so silly that they arent worth bothering.

He is claiming that, among other things, NASA is covering up evidence of alien life on Mars. He says the evidence is in the images returned from Mars by the probes, (!). If this was the case and NASA wanted to cover it up, WHY RELEASE THE PICTURES AT ALL!!?
The real color of Mars--The face--The glass worm--Cydonias pyramide the white bunny etc

This kind of pseudoscience is like a virus.

At low levels, its no big deal, but when it reaches a certain threshold it becomes sickening. I dont think Hoagland has reached the level of, say, the Moon Hoax or 9-11, but he might someday if ignored. I think Hoagland is slicker than David Icke and Nancy Leider (the Planet X lady) but his claims are equally nonsensical. Im sure hes able to make a nice living off of all this from the gullible and hes a bit of a celebrity as well, it does appear to be working well for him.

Ah, yes, the pyramid.... http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...st&id=19048

It has similarity with leonardo's avatar. The vitruvian man.

when they say they are looking and want to know if there is/was life on mars they don't expect to find an alien home or ruins...they mean small forms of life like bacteria and things that aren't visable to the eye and plantes and things of tht nature...because if they found intelegent life they wouldnt let us know...they probly have found intelegent life BUT havent told us...and they are intrested in mars because it's gonna be home to humans one day...if we change the atmosphere

Mars is the biggest waste of money. the human race has ever wasted...

i think you are right at the minute...only because we haven't got the technology to do anything with mars...if we had the means to send man and bigger item of equipment then yes...saying that we havent even done anything with the moon yet...so let's get tht sorted before we do anything else

I know, why not just have one of your 200 trillion federation starships give us a ride to the red planet, heck of a lot cheaper.

You asked and I answerd. I think you will find that not everyone on this forum will agree with you and your pseudo science/conspiracy/cover-up theories, and if you are going to be rude to all of them, then dont bother posting again.

Actually, I asked about this *other* stuff back on page #1.

Thats how I translated it aswell, and I dont just think its rude its also a bit ignorant.

Indeed.

...and I agree with Hazzard and Lilly...that was very rude...

Though I have no proof or facts to back me up I have a wacky theory that humans originated from mars and made it here... just. Losing all technology and starting from scratch. Though it makes as a better science fiction tale

I have to agree!

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Badeskov

Oh well. Maybe if you would substantiate why you think so and not just refer to the "discoveries" of pseudo-scientists, and in this case I presume that your "credible" source is Mr. Hoagland, you might actually come across as possessing intelligence and not just being naive and gullible.

On this topic, why do I have a feeling that pseudo-scientists might actually get offended by being put in the same "bin" as Mr. Hoagland?

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Badeskov

Did you see his latest....The most perfectly preserved artificial lunar ruins discovered so far on the Moon!

Fair enough. You are very honest about it and state up front that you have no proof for your theory and you even call it wacky. But that is your opinion and I respect that, even though I believe that you are totally wrong

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Badeskov

OOPS, forgot to post the link.

Anyway...here you go. Unmistakable Lunar Ruins on the Moon http://www.enterprisemission.com/INA-Outgassing.htm

Mother of God!!! I normally do my best to avoid Mr. Hoagland's ramblings, but he has apparently overdone himself again. Artificial lunar ruins?!?! Whatever substance he is on should be immediately prohibited as it apparently has serious, undocumented side effects!

From the enterprise site link you provided:



Independent Enterprise analysis; uhm, well, yeah...no explanation required, I guess

But looking at the pictures, how can they see anything even resembling something artificial? And what is it with this 19.5 number?!?!



I see. Some of the brightest brains on the surface of the Earth misses that one, wow. Was it the janitor doing the analysis at NASA or what?

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Badeskov

Well, Mr. Hoagland is right about one thing, somebody does need glasses...only it isn't NASA!

Good point I wish he would take himself up on his own advice!

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Badeskov

<blood boils>

And in the next breath he claims that NASA is covering up evidence of ET. I wish they would make up their mind.

wouldn't our genetic similarities with the other animals on Earth rule this out? or do you think ALL life on Earth came from Mars? just wondering

Indeed so. They could be excused once or twice for being inconsistent, however, when the inconsistency becomes the means to explain away the obvious contradictions in their theories, it becomes deceptive. And unfortunately these sites thrive on deceptions and omissions, and it is sad to see some can actually make money out of it. Reminds of me of the snake oil sellers a hundred years back or so, except that we should be more informed than that.

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Badeskov

I can only speak from the obvious, my personal experience in the matter, and information I have gotten from insiders - but to me it is clear they do hide their knowledge about alien life, and the fact that they been involved with aliens and alien space crafts, and that there has been life on mars and likely still is. Anyone denying this simply doesnt know enough and havnt experienced enough yet. And there is enough public evidence available in any case that should be enough to understand that there is something goin on here they are not telling us - you dont need personal experience in the field or inside information from friends and family that have been involved with it to figure out that. One good example is the hundreds of governmental officials that have come forth and testified on this matter - this is serious matter when we speak of such numbers, they risk both their jobs and reputations doing such. We have confirmed members of NSA, the Army and Military, FBI, CIA and so on confirming the reality of UFOs and Aliens. NASA staff confirming they are tampering with the images from Mars etc.

That is a lot to be certain of. And I admittedly beg to totally disagree with you. There might be indications, but there is no proof whatsoever of anything.



This is by all means of respect a statement to be very careful with. There are a lot of very experienced and clever people out there that do deny what you believe is the truth. And unfortunately the clever and experienced people that don't believe the evidence support your conclusions yet by far outnumbers the people that do - go figure!



No, again I beg to disagree, there is not bulletproof evidence available. There are a lot of indications that there is something interesting to investigate, and that is about it. The indications we have so far says nothing about what we are looking at. And certainly no evidence that the governments are hiding something. That is your belief, nothing more and nothing less!



Hundreds? I have only seen very few that had any credibility and that you could ascribe anything to. And all they had to say that they believed what they were saying, not that is was a fact.

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Badeskov

That what I was wanting to hear...Thanks Bad'

"Ignorance is Bliss" Enough said...

I suppose you think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone aswell..I don't mean to be rude but you obviously put too much faith in your governments which have never thought of the people first just themselves and you buy into it like a welfare case at Walmart.....
I wish you all luck in the transition...

When your ready to beleive that our Government Is mainly freemason's and so Is NASA, then will you understand why It's so important to explore Mars.....

These Idiots think it's home as well as atlantis, and There GOD's are from MARS. and yeah Aliens are thrown in the mix as well...afterall thats the GOD's, Its pretty deep...you should look in to it.

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geuo...-msgr&x=wrt

I think it's time they went home...Iwon't miss'em

I do feel that nasa and the governments are hiding something. What it is they are hiding is where we have different explanations. A pure example of this is some of the astronaut sightings, where nasa switch radio frequencies, as soon as a astronaut see's something he cant explain. I know alot of the things these astronauts see in space has a perfectly good explanation, but some of the other stuff is not so easily dismissed, and to this day, still unexplained. But what it is, thats why this forum is here:)

Like my good friend Monkey Magic says

It's Tragic that wont happen untill after they run EARTH in to the **EDIT**

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I agree. I read an interesting book by Richard Dolan called "UFO's and the National Security State." I think that even Badeskov would be impressed with the lack of conclusions or opinion's in the book. Richard Dolan has done his best to create a seemingly unbiased documentary account of where the UFO phenomenon began, starting from 1941 to 1973. He focuses strongly on the governments reactions to all of the sightings and the policy's that are enacted within the intelligence agencies in regards to the subject. A lot of the information he has listed are unclassified documents recovered by the FOIA. One of the more interesting bits of information obtained through the FOIA was details of a meeting in the early 60's where the members, (mostly scientists), were told to begin a disinformation campaign using the media and other resources to keep the public from becoming too involved in the subject. The meeting did not make any claims of aliens, just the strategy for keeping the public out of the picture. If anyone wants me to back this up with the factual data, I will dig around and find the name of the committee and the title of the information that was released. I would just look in my book, but I lent it to my father.

As you clearly stated, you are only fishing for what you "want to hear." Know it or not, you just proved my whole point. Ignorance is the "bliss" condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed. Mixt with the bad manners you are displaying I say we have a winner. Congratulations

Oh well done. A crackpot website quoting the King of Idiots, Richard Hoagland.

Come up with a credible source yeah?

(BTW, there is NO evidence ANYWHERE that suggests that that is what Freemasons believe.)

Badeskov: According to the Disclosure Project: "We have over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret."

As far I know all the names of these people are public so you can do a background check. So many people wouldnt be testifying and witnessing on the truth of these matters and their personal involvement with it unless they really felt it was important that people get to know about it - and then it most likely is true as it would be little reason they would lie

umm that link is to the yahoo search engine that has a whole lot of links to choose from, its not to a paticular link guy, and as far as having evidence anywhere in what freemason's believe, that kind of means you dont know either then dont it, Unless you know the secrets to the secret societys and can kindly unvale the mysterys that are being talked about all over the world. Cant wait to hear it!! All this reading on Freemasons and all i had to do was talk to you and I would have the truth!

I believe the "Ignorance is bliss" was your banner at one point..untill you changed it...and about being rude, I think you are a little insecure, being offended by someone that does not know you....

And I respect your opinion, just that I don't agree on the comments on something you clearly haven't researched properly....

The internet is more than a pornholder...try exploring..