I already said that I am to come foward when I have it almost packed down to where I can have it as second nature!! Who knows what they will try to ask and do to me when they find out !!!!

DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.

Pretty lame "power" then. I'll tell you one thing: Skepticism won't "block the process" of a punch in the nose. So if I want an awesome power, I'll take boxing lessons.



That's a neat trick, considering he's been dead for 55 years.

Some key words for our searching friends. tantra,"circulation of light, also called the lesser heavenly cycle" Breath energy, KUNDALINI. alchemy, think "inner" alchemy, elixer of life type ah deal. look up yogic gurus. a book, "the secret of the golden flower. their are two translations now .
the secret of the fire and kundalini by samel aun weor etc etc

Far as im concerned you go for all or nothin. I read a quote once, enlightenment should be the focuse of one, for all other things will snag your progress. In essence all these things come during the process of becoming enlightened.

I tried developing these sort of mental abilitys once, it was crap.

Threw my many studys, and many different areas practised, the best i would say IS energy development. For in this everything els comes.

That below is a short description of the process, now this will give you Much more energy enough to break out in waves of vibrations that bring bliss. also a semi super consiouse state of mind. I say semi becouse i only used the righ nerve the first time. A super intuitional state can be attained threw uniting the left and right spinal nerves in the head, when done right a high pitch bird chirping noise will be generated. I always imagined 2 thin wires rubbing together really fast, like a grasshopper type ah deal. My dad oddly has this naturally, haha hes not spiritually inclined though, So he drinks. Hes also 40, age has nothing to do with nothin.

I remained in this higher state for about 2 months, but becouse it was all done with a one pointed type of intuition, i didnt know exactly how i was doing it, in thus i reversed my flow, and dicharged all my energy, ive taked the last 4 months to learn it, ive got the breathe energy down, and have just learned exactly how the fire was being made, all thats left is to re establish the circulation my friends (=.


I will mention a little. We loos Massive amounts of energy threw discharging sexual fluids. sorry, i dont know the full operations of a women yet as im ah guy. As i was saying, origanally befor we ever dicharge any fluid, semon is clear, as we do it more and more it becomes white, not to mention everytime we do it, the fluid is dicharged with enough energy to creat life. We loos life/energy threw the door of sex, and in this it is threw the door of sex we can gain energy and life.
The backwards flowing method it the first process, making the flow of energy that creates sexual energy reverse. This is done threw the circulation of light,also called the lesser heavenly cycle. This method can be done threw learning to breathe up the back, and down the front.
when using this techniqe, the yogic full breath can be incorporated, as it seems to be another way of unconciously creating the circulation. I had an extremly strong downwards flow, all my energy turned into sexual energy, in this everything was wasted, i did the circulation "constantly" turned it into my normal breathing for 2 or 3 months. in that time, i had reversed the flow of energy, i had no desier for sex for their was no enegy their, and i had a hard time getting horny the circulation was so strong.
Now, when the circulation is that strong, one can concentrate, and make your self horny, in a more techniqual mannor this is creating subtle energy, witch instead of staying in the sexual organs, goes up the back, as does the heat that is generated. This heat is a major key, it is the fire used to subliminate the fluid.
NOW the second part of the process is turning the fluids clear agian. Now i believe the circulation MAY do this on its own, but i Always incorporated breathe energy with it. Breathe energy can be aquierd threw using yogic pranayama techniques. its liike creating a suction in the diaphram, on both inhailation and exhailation. The body will vibrate, when you sneez, the tingle, or chill,vibration, this is the same subtle energy generated threw breathing. NOw you do the breathing technique, generate sexual fluids, must relax while doing this, abd be prude, always do it in prudence for its NOT about sex. Close the anus, this draws the fluid back, and focuse up wards, you will feel the fuid dissapear. this must be done untill fluids are clear, your armpit smell will also start to change, it gets better n better. after fluids is purifyd, you do everything the same, except with the fire, for the fire puts it into the body, if that is done right, the body will turn red. Befor all this can be done, even if the flow is reversed, one must keep circulating untill the left and right spinal nerves rise on the spine, hopfully to the ears.
When the spinal nerves rise youll know, as it may have to break threw the throat, in this itl sorta hurt, but you must relax and let it go threw, for itl be better after. mmm the tone in the head gets louder too. Happy days everyone.

ah and would a psy person come on here? i mean if you had a super intuitional state like that, why would they be on here? if you wanted to know somthin, youd know by nature were to look for it, were to go. if the person wanted to reviel themselves, would this be the best place? or would they feel some other place was different? lol

The dog knows its not for everyone to understand. Higher level of consciousness doesn't follow human science and its logic. To prove that it exist, you have to meditate and discover matters not found in current human sciences.

To learn what other human know and their limits.
To let those interested learn the basics and where to start.
Not the best place but a good place for exchange with other minds.

Do you have a dog?

That's why it wouldn't work for I'm always ready to block the punch. Don't take boxing, give meditation a try.

Who knows my friend, this could be the Perfect place, seeing somthing as definite stops the creation process of the mind, or it might? who knows. point being, if you dont know nothin, then you know everything. For he knows the everything of the nothin, lol.

mm, i have a dog.

ok - and in the grand picture, any ETA as to when this might be?? Seriously --

Jj -

Actually they have done some scientific studies with MRI & EEG tests. Yes there are changes and such noted in the brain activity during theses Meditative States. Nothing that suggests "Super Powers" - but there are studies that are being noted.

Hospitials and doctors now accept that the 'power of prayer' - not any specific religion prayer - but just PRAYER - does have a profound and noticable effect on patients. They actually measured the before and after effects of medical patients after they have been prayed for. So this is a 'take note' to them. Do they understand the dynamics of it? No not at this time - but the do accept that "something happens" - it's been seen/measured in the before/after of the patient. Actual physical changes in their conditions.

Jj -

Because it was an incoherent random ramble....


Well i would imagine a lot of people would want to learn this supposed power.



But by that respect can you prove the flying spaghetti monster does'nt exist?



Well if you can prove otherwise go right ahead because everything from that computer you typed on to the Jet Li movies you watch is attributable to science. Science is what has made everything we enjoy.


I do not beleive there is such a phenomenon that exists. Such a phenomenon exists purely in the mind and not the physical world. Science at this point does not accept such abilities and there are many mysteries we have yet to figure out.



Not if someone is faster and stronger then you are... I highly doubt you could block a punch from someone Like Chuck Lidell or Tito Ortiz.



Just watch some more Dragonball Z....

How can you block the punch when you're busy meditating to increase your psionic X-men powers?



That's super advice for getting your ass kicked! Thanks, I'll try it!

Why are we bothering to explain or show proof in the future. It doesn't matter what we believers (with just as much knowledge about the world and quantum physics as everyone else) say because you skeptics will debunk it anyway.

Why? Just because you will always feel that if science cannot explain it then it doesn't exists and it is all in the mind (So boring and predictable psychology talk). These are the fabrications that come from the mind but thought also derives its origins from there and thoughts turn into action.

Second nature of anything such as walking or speaking is something that we are taught when our mind is pure, thoughtless, and hungry for knowledge. The first of anything that the mind picks up and constantly practices will be locked into the brain forever as a second nature!!

Science is wonderful but the unknown about human beings or even this planet that we live on is the true wonders not the technology, because that will destroy what we hold so dear of our humanity or soul.

Also I don't always use technology to have fun I can hang out or play basketball without science. Science can explain what I do and how the fundamentals are done but cannot let me have fun or explain my experience!!

DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.

Truth is no theory, no speculative system of philosophy, no intellectual insight. Truth is exact correspondence with reality.

DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.

Actually Randy with this I agree -

Problem is the TRUTH of the matter is - Psi Constructs/Manipulations now or the practice of it in the past 20+ years have resulted in ZERO evidence that this is even possible. There isn't even a valid 'hint' of it's reality - it's totally subjective.

Also note - The Psi Construction/Manipulation is based on Science Fiction Fantasy shows, like that of Dragonball Z, Star Wars, X-Men etc. This fantasy all surfaced because of FICTIONAL stories. Not anything that was/is based on any remote possiblity of reality.

So when it's very foundation is based on FICTION, and NOTHING has ever come from it in the past 20 years - how is it that it's suppose to be 'real' - it is only real in FICTION. Sad but true.

I agree with Mystic, but my understanding of it is different from Jj's opinion.
"Truth" corresponds to everything, in metaphysics as well, but the 'truth' is much more vast than some people paint it to be in here. It corresponds to all understandings and knowledge, to everyone and everything. Not to only one group of people. Subjective and objective, the variety of people hold various 'truths,' those that do Psi manipulation/constructs have 'truth', all types of knowledge has 'truths,' etc. Not many people have achieved it, or can actually 'see' it for themselves. People only just get bits and pieces and start assuming what is completely real and what is not, when they barely have even scratched the surface of it. Physicality is only so much, based on the created race's comprehension and understanding, as well as development.

Bottom line: Psi Constructs/Manipulations - it can be easily and factually said - There is nothing what so or who so ever that can come even remotely close to claiming this is actual or real.

There is simply no evidence - none what so ever. PROOF - go try and find any on the intire WWW. You will come up with "Hear say..." and "Subjective...." and ONLY when one is a lone ...

The topic of this thread is based on no facts at all - but based on PURE 100% fantasy. So in the focal point of this thread - again does anyone even have anything close to anything valid to submit as evidence or proof that these are real?

Then why is it, "practice, practice practice..." - when what is being practiced is based on total and extreme pure science fiction and imagination and nothing even close to being a fact??

But if we follow the TV/Movies as the source of this --- then.....

It might then be said -

"Become a Jedi! Use the Force - you can move X-Wings with your X-men, oops, Jedi powers." I mean it only took young Luke Skywalker a few months at best to begin to actually do anything worth while!

X-Men powers, these kids and people were born with them. So that kind of puts X-Men powers totally out of reach. If we are following that! If you are not born with them - X-Men an't gonna happen!

Jj -

My pink invisible monkey exists only to the believers too! Wow!

One day you will tremble before the power of



BOZOKINESIS

Now that I can 'believe' ROFLOL!!!

We aren't debunking anything we will leave that to you the 'beleivers'... No one is saying beleivers aren't smart persay just really naive.


Thoughts can turn into action but not unreasonable actions like x-powers.


Just because something exists in your brain doesn't make it a physical reality as you and others claim.


Technology and science is the reason you can type your BS and post it on this forum. We need it to survive our future. Technology enhances the way we live. While there are downsides like weapons for example there are many other things science has done to enhance our lives. The above quote sounds like it is out of fear that people will eventually turn away from spirituality and finally embrace our technological future.



Science is responsible for that basketballs creation. The black rings and and dimples on the ball allow for not only better grip but make it aerodynamic. The machines used to manufacture that ball were created by science. Scince does not explain a fun experience but it is a part of the way we live in modern and future societies to come.

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A lot of people assume our next evolution will be spiritual but nothing points to this. Our next evolution will be a technological one. Eventually we will no longer use machines but rather become one cybernetics, genetic engineering and nano technology will cure disease our ability to synthesize food will eliminate hunger and so on. Science has big goals and scientists are taking the first steps into a prosperous, peaceful world.


I agree with this however if you consider x-powers a reality then the above need not apply to you.

Well the subjective is that you cannot believe in everything that is in the brain right. What is what you see and what your brain is telling you could all be false reality!! The brain can trick us and sometimes doesn't even know from what it is seeing from what it is remembering!!

Also plus using technology as our next evolution is ridiculous because we are not made of metal. We have to evolve our humanity and our awareness for the better faster world of the new age!! Elderly people already cannot keep up with today’s technology so what is to be done is to evolve our consciousness and awareness!!!

DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.

So to you, psi constructs/manipulation is simply related to Star Wars and X-men? Wow, what an insult. -__- Just because there are some people who fantasize about having such powers and being a 'superhero' jedi x-man doesn't mean that those who are sincere and do practice energy manipulation are all like that. Talk about imagination there...I've met enough kids and people who think they are 'special' and some type of anime superhero. I've also met enough people who are creditable and sincere. I've also studied it for sometime now, so I know the difference.
People are created with abilities, it is apart of who they are, but to tap into them would take alot of hard work, effort, time, and determination.
People talk about actual metaphysics as some RP game or/and anime don't have much experience in the field of metaphysics, they've no idea how it really is.

That is great to hear because all the skeptics believe that this psi, chi, or energy manipulation renaissance came from X-Men or Star Wars . Nooo!! Stuff like this has been around for more than a thousand years before television was ever invented.

X-Men which base its characters as mutants all with different powers and such brought out some other kind of outbreak of children believing that they would want to be like them, so some tried so hard to find out how to do such feats for themselves.

Now like some who are not in it t show off for everyone and have known of such things before ever turning on a television or have already had a spontaneous outbursts of power these are the ones trying to figure out what it is and what is going on or how to control it.

I am not saying that all the abilities that are being created out of thin air or the ones made up b producers on television shows most likely cannot be done. It will take more than determination and 2 days a week of practice to actually make it relevant. Such things would then have to be second nature in order for you to control or even show signs of great success to where you can show anyone.

Anyone can learn to balance their minds, bring their consciousness to another level, control energy and everything else made of it, or further their awareness and concentration. These things are possible through meditation, yoga, etc. yes it is. Now psi is a whole different thing not just through meditation but also with great determination, push and a strong desire, and of learning what you are dealing before you do it!!

It should almost be as you learning a to walk, talk, or even speak and you have practice day in and day out. You should know how it will affect your everyday lives and just try everyday with everything that you do. Most likely treating it with such persistence that you mind would probably cope with the practice!!

This is for everyone even skeptics. You can love and adore your scientific theories like I do and still say that psi, chi, or the soul doesn't exist but it will always be there!! Everyone can do it, everyone can grow with it, and any and everyone can master it!!

DhA...OraCle
Randy W.

-- Well yes it is. But not just an insult but more a "reality check".

They come on the internet in these various groups with the 'fantastic claims' - "Look what I can do when I'm alone!"

Then to add to that, they expect to be taken seriously when they offer offer nothing serious at all in return, except - "hear say" and/or excuses.

THEY get offended and start calling the honest "skeptic" names. That so helps their cause! All because we simply do not accept or believe what they say. Why - because they offer nothing to accept or believe - but their "word".

As I have stated before - NO ONE in their right mind would invest their hard earned money into a stock/company with this track record, NO ONE.
No one would buy anything off of E-Bay with this record.
But yet some how we are suppose to, we are expected "buy" into this?? HUH????

Please explain how it is this is suppose to be taken seriously - when NOTHING serious is being offered in return??

The above question has pretty much been ignored from the beginning when asked/stated in various forms. Why are we to take this serious when NOTHING serious is being offered?



See - that is the problem - they are NOT practicing "energy manipulation" - there is simply no valid, serious, factual or other wise evidence that this is indeed going on, EXCEPT in their imagination. There is NO evidence, zip. It simply is not happening. There is nothing that can give any serious, real or other wise credibility to this going on. Except, "hear say".

It can easily be disproved - with an EMF detector or Thermal Camera.



I do not challenge or question some of these people's intent and/or sincerity on this. I believe they are trying to really see if this is real. I accept that... BUT the practice, the trying, the experimenting has never nor will ever come to fruition. No one has taken it out of the 'when I'm alone...' with any valid success at all, let alone any valid consistency. This is ALWAYS met with excuses. ALWAYS.

Here is a question -
When is it reasonable to say, "No more excuses, put up or drop it. Admit it, you have nothing serious to give." ??

This is totally true. I totally agree with this - that 'they've no idea how it really is." "constructs/manipulation" is not how it really is. That is why no one in this has or can offer anything serious towards it. This focal point is not real Psi.

Jj -

Our brains do trick us and for some do create false realities. Logic certainly tells me that those who beleive they can perform x-powers or eventually will with practice are creating a flase reality for them selves.



We don't have to be made of metal to eventually bond with our technology as opposed to using it. Cybernetics for example is the merging of bio-physiology and technology as to both serve a purpose and to work in harmony as one. The fact is human/technological evolution is an inevitability and a reality already. Recently Stevie Wonder had a temporary brain implant device linked to camera and he could see shapes and colours, An invalid teen was able to control a video game via implants that allowed him to control the game through his thought. Nano technologies are already being created and eventually will become able to heal fatal wounds or maybe even cure AIDS and other diseases.

Elderly people are not the future and this is also a flase assumption that they cannot keep up they can but are either to scarred to or simply don't want to. I know several old people who use the internet and enrich their lives with technology. As far as natural evolution is concerned a technological evolution for an intellegent sentient species such as humanity is natural and the logical next step to take. Our consciousness will evolve with our technology and our awareness of not only what goes on around us here on Earth but beyond will also increase. The internet allows our awareness to increase by allowing us to view the rest of the world you can learn anything or talk to people from all around the globe.
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Anywho back on topic...

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Your right but you fail to realize that the media popularized psi,chi and energy manipulation.


No kids or adults can do what the x-men do and if they think they can they need help...



I have yet to see anyone with such powers or outbursts of powers.



Yet no one displays such power especially not to those who count i.e. scientists and researchers.




You may beleive it's there but it doesn't make it so and if you did understand how science works especially the laws of energy transfer etc you would understand why such powers cannot exist.

Perhaps there's a 99.5% failure rate because only 0.5% of the population is stupid enough to believe they have succeeded.

Hmmm... interesting point!!

Jj -

Start meditation for 1 hour twice a day. Light a candle and focus on the gap of the fire and the candle. Do these for a month to a year and see if you can make any differences or get new information from your focusing. I can't tell you what to expect. You will know what it is after your long training. Do that and come back with the results. You cannot develop these abilities if you have a slight skepticism within you. A .5 success in not a success but a 100 percent failure. If you can't do anything unusual, you have missed something somewhere in your meditation. The spirit cannot trust giving these abilities to you. Discover it yourself. I can't do it for you.

20 Years.

Umm, what can you offer to us seriously from your own experiences doing this?? Yes I am asking for serious/real - what does this do for you??

Jj -

I can't tell. Each believers can develop his own ability.

Again I asked you specifically:


So in other words - do you have any serious evidence from YOUR LIFE in applying this to offer that it works.

I understand results may vary -

But what serious and valid results have you experienced doing this...??

Jj -

99.6

Hey Socrates, I think we found one of the people to fit your statistic theory -

We may actually have documented PROOF of one of the .5% of Scorates theory!!

Jj -

99.7

Yes, and they usually create in a fashion that is less than honest or/and knowledgeable. Though granted there are some good ideas, but for those who aren't mature enough to differentiate it can be harmful.



I won't say anthing about physically manifesting objects from thin air, because I'm skeptic as to whether that is possible for almost anyone quite yet.
Many people don't realize how it really is, but there are various ways of dealing with it, but through sheer fantasy would be ineffective. Since actual metaphysical experience and energy manipulation is something that relates to reality of this physical world, and by that I don't mean politics or media entertainment, creating false pretenses and expectations for people who are naive and uneducated in metaphysical practices. Everything about metaphysics is about holistic learning and maturity, while knowledge and the intuition are one of the most important among each individual's 'will' and choices that creates who they are and what kind of life they want. Metaphysical practices doesn't mean that a person can escape all reality, because that isn't the true purpose of it in the first place. It isn't for fame, or the glory that most people paint it, nor egotistical inflation/vanity, it is much deeper. If a person chooses to study and practice metaphysics, it becomes apart of their life, along with getting a suitable job that pays for the necessities in this world, or continue with their studies in required education in school. No matter how well a person does in psi/metaphysics, they also have to learn to live along side everyone else, even if their ideas and beliefs and the way they see reality is different. Hence, there isn't mention any encouragement in following the mass consciousness, but being able to understand that everyone has 'free will' to make their own life. It is called humility and understanding/tolerance. Everyone has their own abilities/talents, whether it be metaphysical or not, and even those who can do something out of the ordinary, they still have lessons to learn in this world because alot of situations/information can change. There will be people who are stronger, those who have achieve more because they are able to comprehend and take on the responsibilities of everything in their life, whether those people are working towards a hindering or progressive goal for themselves and others would be their choice. "Truth" has many varieties, depending on beliefs, perspectives, knowledge, comprehension/understanding, desires, goals, and their actions. That is what makes up the consciousness, who a person is, and what their life is going to be like that not only affects themselves, but those around them.

Wait! R U saying what I think you are saying?? You are skeptical about claims of "Psi Balls" and other Psi "Constructs/Manipulations"??

Is that why you didn't answer these questions that were very specifically stated???
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See I understand the discipline of "Metaphysics" - actually I really do. I also have a much better understanding of Psi then the "Psi Construct/Manipulators" would like to think I do.

See I don't think "Metaphysics" completely understand the dynamics at play either, they like many other religions, simply try to understand same things as the Indians, Chineese, Mayans, and so on. Each has tried to explain this in limited understanding. I personally just call them "dynamics that are not understood" - maybe some day, mabye - but not today.

I also know for certain that REAL PSI is not full of excuses and 'claims of this and that', that cannot be backed up. I do know for certain that Psi can be very much validate by science, again as I have stated, science may not understand the dynamics at play - but it can very much be measured by one means or another.

See I picked RV and appreciated the post that sigthed the twins telepathy test. Those two are very excellent examples of real PSI at work. It works, it can be measured and tested and it is thus proven. No excuses are given for the real thing. They too may not understand the dynamics - but it's not subjective - it is objective.

So why is "Psi Balls" aka "Constructs/Manipulations" exempt from this? Why is it that no one can step up to the plate?

Because it's not real - NO ONE dare to - because then their fantasy would be, well seen for what it is. SO NOT REAL!

I actually understand why they will not step up and I understand why they will not submit to the test of proof: No one wants to admit they bought into a 'scam', 'con' that they were 'fooled' - ya it's tough! But guess what - They were! A whole following is built on nothing less than sci-fi fantasy! Sad reality is - Fantasy is just that - thus why no one can move to say, "Here it is....", you cannot do that with fantasy. So to 'save face' - they continue to follow the fantasy and as is the case with everyone who followed this:

So then the question is: What do I do to get 'out' - the answer is simple: Stop - look at the real facts of this and just step out. Choose to not play the fantasy game any more. It's really that simple - this is a "bill of goods" that well is simply a "Fantasy Game". So END GAME.

Why should we show you what we can do? All it will do is ask more questions about how we aquired such an ability or how can you try to learn such an ability. Then it would be more debunking and sketicism on that matter for almost anything we say eve with evidence!!!

All it is, is that you are more addicted to knowing and doing such power yourselves. You are so pursued to find out than we are!!

DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.

I can turn invisible and bench press a school bus.

Randy - you do realize just how silly the above sounds do you not??

You just proved my exact point with the above:
Well done Randy -

Jj -

Randy - you do realize just how silly the above sounds do you not??

You just proved my exact point with the above:
Well done Randy -

Jj -

---------------------------------------------------If it is so silly why did you answer to it then??--------------------------------------------------

No don't think that it is sounds silly. Why? because it is very much true because of the fact that skeptics are always looking for hard evidence. It either that we are on your mind too much or psi is on your mind but you're hiding the simple fact that you want to learn psi and take paprt in it!!!

---------------------------------------------------But I also like this video to show for it!!!!!-----------------------------------------------------

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSTsHcqc31E&NR

DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.

As stated in the other thread - This is a 'bust' - the guy even states in his own words, Randy that this is an illussion... nothing more - again here is his quote:



So back to square one, Randy -

Jj -

First I'd like to apologize for some typos and a few missing words I just added today in the previous post. I have the Cold, and I wasn't feeling my best last night.



I'm skeptical of people and their claims, but I don't doubt the 'reality' of metaphysics and the reality of this world. I've met enough people with enough claims that they cannot back up, and I have met enough people who can and have. I've said this before.
I answered the questions that were asked.



Not always, some of them have some of it right, except their understanding and comprehension of it is different, and they may say some things in which people can misinterpret and the interpreted information can be twisted into something else because of whatever reason. Is it those who practice/study metaphysics wrongful misunderstanding? Not always so, since everyone has responsibility in what they understand and how they act upon what they interpret. As everyone has their own lessons to learn, and how they learn it would be up to them. No one can truly control everybody's understanding, nor protect them forever, as no one person will always listen nor understand what the other is teaching them. Sometimes the best way for people to learn is through trial and error.




Science can prove metaphysics in some things, but for others, there needs to be a little more thought put out towards it. I agree, science doesn't understand the dynamics at play, which is the reason as to why I mentioned that science needs more understanding of metaphysics than simply just jumping the wagon.
Alot of people have yet to learn that metaphysics is a holistic development and maturity, achieved through steps of progression, not a far leap into something they do not fully comprehend yet.
That is the reason that I always mention that people need knowledge, experience, comprehension/understanding, practice, study, responsibility, etc.. to really be able to achieve anything.

One reason why some of those who practice metaphysics don't do on video, and who feel its not worth it to do such to prove it online. Though there are other methods.

The question still is asked and needs seriously to be addressed and answered:


Everytime something is attempted - it fails,l everytime.

I would hate to see this used as another excuse. There are simply WAY TOO many excuses already. There are so many excuses that basically at this point - why even bother making the claim?? Everyone knows that they will fail 100% - thus the reasons for all the excuses.

RV'ing - they didn't make any excuses.
Empaths - true ones can validate their claims.
Twin Telepathy - has been validated.

to name just a few -- no excuses, they step up - they deliver, they sit down.
(It may well not be understood - but it's there in easy "Black & White".)

Psi constructors do not stand up - they do not deliever, except excuse after excuse. We no longer ask why, for we know why - they have nothing to show. They know they will fail so they - excuse their way out of it -> ALL THE TIME!!

You want to be taken serious in this - then offer something serious. It's just that simple....

Jj -

Araezel -
I actually enjoyed reading this post! You articulated very well - and for the most part, in what you shared here - I would agree with pretty much all of it. Nicely stated!!

Jj -

I'm open to demonstrations of all sorts of psychic phenomena. I think the evidence for mediumship, for example, is very good. Remote viewing, also. I just think the "chi blaster" and "psi ball" crowd are full of it. Same with the Dim Mak "death touch" and Yellow Bamboo people. You can go to Youtube or Google Video and watch such people get tackled and slapped around by ordinary joes. I have never seen one person, not even one, back up his claims of anime powers in the slightest. As far as I can tell, there is absolutely nothing to it.

But the videos are seriously funny.

Why can't you videotape proof?

Let's say there are 10,000 supposed psychics on this forum. Now, 4/5of them are playing their minds. 2,000 psychics. Of that, let's say only 2/5 of them have a webcam. 800 psychics. Now, of these, half of them have clairvoyancy. 400 psychics. Furthermore, most webcams have very sketchy pictures, so only those with high-grade internet and video-editing can refine the pic. Let's say of the 400, 2/3 of them didn't have the technology to make the quality refined and focused. 132 psychics. Now, furthermore, of those 132, some of their powers may be circumstantial, eg you can't do it by will. Maybe half, although that actually seems quite high. 66 psychics, or %0.66 of the starting psychics. You see, it's a lot harder to document proof then you'd think, so don't be too overzealous and say "oooooo you can't videotape it, so you don't have it!" Let's be mature people, thanks

Then it isn't a power.



Um... if you had a power, you could videotape it. You can't videotape it, so you don't have it. I don't see what's not "mature" about that.