This was on the History Channel last night and is called:


I finally was able to watch this episode.. I kept missing it when it was on. It is pretty interesting!

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Hey! I just finished editing and uploading this video and NOW I find this same episode is on YouTube - the only difference in this video and what I recorded is the narrator. This one on YouTube sounds to be from a British narrator :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVlCw90iAUg...ted&search=

Anyway.. you have your pick on how you would like to view this! LOL

Nice one Cinders! As always, much appreciated

Thanks for the links!

Thank you, Cinders!!

The public has no idea just how often such occurrences have taken place in our skies. Of the thousands of UFO aerial encounters that have been reported by pilots, (military and civilian) the overwhelming majority of those reports were never reported by the media.

And, the UFO reports that have been reported by pilots, represent only a very small faction of the thousands upon thousands of UFO enounters that have already taken place because the overwhelming majority of those UFO encounters involving aircraft are not reported by the pilots for fear of their careers, which means that public is totally unaware of the magnitude of what is truly going on above their heads and I can safely say that what pilots have been reporting has nothing to do with natural phenomena.

It's either theirs (ET) or ours, one or the other.

Cinders,

Thanks for sharing. I took the time to look it a couple of times and I must admit that it didn't really shed any light on UFOs in my opinion, rather it muddled the waters a bit.

To me it seemed like the program was made to sell and there were some comments made that I find directly misleading. One example was about the JAL, where it was stated that the FAA/NTSB decided on their own to investigate. To the best of my knowledge the FAA/NTSB is required to investigate any reported near miss, UFO or otherwise. Also, the documentary failed to mention that the flight crew tried to photograph the UFO with two different cameras, but never managed. Why not?

Another little thing that struck me was the story about the AmericaWest 564 flight, which saw something that was subsequently also tracked by NORAD. Apparently it was a flight attendant that first saw it and then alerted the flight crew. However, as this was passenger jet, what about all the passengers? Was it an empty flight? Were they all sleeping and nobody was looking out the window?

Admittedly, I just found too many omissions to find the program really credible. We still need to find that credible proof that UFO=ET and this program certainly didn't clear anything up. Just my two cents

Nonetheless, it was interesting to watch and I definitely think that there are many UFO encounters that are worth investigating.

Best,
Badeskov

If the government was not lying to us or hiding things about UFOs, I doubt this information would even possibly exist. Especially in the quantity that it does.

In my opinion, if the government was completely innocent, things would be ALOT different than the way they are now. We have so much information, and some is even still surfacing. Coverups, lies, hidden videos, etc...

Oh, in my opinion there is no doubt the various governments are hiding a lot information, however, in this particular case I believe that the governments are innocent. The only thing I could find them guilty of would be ignorance and bad PR.

Best,
Badeskov

If the government was hiding evidence of UFOs, then we'd see a lot more defense dollars being spent elsewhere than on killing people on this planet.

Exactly. Why spend so many tax dollars on finding other countries nukes and detecting their aircraft, if something much more interesting (and maybe sinister) was roaming our airspace. If the various governments really had known since Roswell, then I would expect the cold war would have been more of a hot collaboration. Or maybe it indeed was a collaboration disguised a cold war to hide the fact that UFOs insist...wow, I am getting confused here

Best,
Badeskov

You have no idea what is going on behind the closed doors of the government.

A full blown government UFO cover-up is currently in progress as we speak. It is no longer a secret that NASA, the CIA and the military have been covering up UFO reality for decades and you can take a look at 'The Robertson Report' and 'JANAP-146' as a hint that indeed, a UFO cover-up is in progress.

In fact, the CIA got caught 'red-handed lying about the U-2 and the A-12 Oxcart. It claimed a few years ago that the government allowed the U-2 to be explained away as UFOs when in fact, the government was explaining the U-2 as a high altitude weather aircraft as early as 1956!

Check it out! I guess the CIA has a very short memory.

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7 May 1956
- NACA Director Dr. Hugh L. Dryden issues a press release stating that U-2 aircraft are conducting weather research for NACA with Air Force support from Watertown, Nevada.


22 May 1956
- A second press release is issued with cover story for U-2 aircraft operating overseas.


1 May 1960
- Francis Gary Powers is shot down near Sverdlovsk.


6 May 1960
- U-2 with fictitious NASA serial number and NASA markings is shown to news media to bolster cover story of NASA weather research flights with U-2.


7 May 1960
- Soviet Premier Kruschev announces capture and confession of Powers.


1960
- Dr. Hugh L. Dryden tells senate committee that some 200 U-2 flights carrying NASA weather instrumentation have taken place since 1956.


2 April 1971
- NASA receives two U-2C aircraft for high-altitude research. These were the first U-2s to actually be operated by the NACA or NASA, as opposed to the CIA or U.S. Air Force.


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Goes to show how easy it is for the government to dupe those who allow themselves to be duped, especially on the issue of UFOs.

Ain't that the truth



But here I seriously beg to differ. A cover-up of such proportions would be impossible to hide. And in addition it would spark a radical change geopolitics and defense politics. Who would care if Iran or North Korea obtained nuclear capabilities. We would suddenly have something that freely could roam our airspace without challenge and they could have hostile intentions.

There would have been a massive buildup that has not occurred. It would most likely even dwarf the spendings during the cold war, and that is something that is not easily hidden. Secondly, as we have discussed before, where are the military assets looking beyond lunar orbit where ET would be found?

Sorry, but this whole Government cover-up story simply doesn't make sense to me from a logical point of view. A similar situation would be when the Soviet Union launched Sputnik into orbit in 1957. The Soviet Union suddenly had the capabilities to put something in orbit, and could they put something in orbit they could also put it somewhere in continental united States. And there was a huge effort to catch up with the Soviets. In the ET analogy, it would correspond to the US government sweeping information of the Soviet capabilities under the rug and keeping it quite, while they at the same time would engage in no military buildup at all in this particular area.



Yes, they did. And it wasn't the first time, nor the last in which they have been caught red handed. However, they have to the best of my knowledge never been caught red handed with anything where a UFO could be ET. So either they are particularly good in this field or there is simply nothing to hide, except maybe to the UFO guise to draw the attention away from secret government crafts.

It is just my opinion that there are so many inconsistencies and holes that there is no evidence for anything. Indeed, maybe they are covering up ET, however, there is no evidence to prove it whatsoever and in my honest opinion I find that highly unlikely!

Best,
Badeskov

Interesting, do you?

If you take a good look around - people that take an active role in high levels of government & military have a duty to protect the security & welfare of society as a whole. Money is being spent just for that purpose, developing the latest technologies to further that cause - there is no mystery there. But there is a level that civilians like you & I are not permitted & with good reason. I just have to ask - why are many people so adamant in seeking out something that the world is not ready for? For a civilization that still utilizes fossil fuel, what leads you to believe that the masses should have any access to these classified agendas?

Perhaps it's true, perhaps not - but why accuse a government that has given so much to elevate the social standard of society when many only know a fragment of the bigger picture? Perhaps someone can answer that.

Not really! After all, the Air Force had no problem convincing many people for 47 years that a weather balloon was responsible for the Roswell incident and then in 1994, the Air Force admitted that no weather balloon was involved in the Roswell incident. It's 1997 Roswell report was yet another attempt to cover-up the Roswell incident and that report was so bad, I have to put in on the same level as the old Sci-Fi movie; "Plan Nine From Outer Space" and that movie was so bad it became a classic for that very reason.



If ET had hostile intentions, we would have known about it by now, but as the facts have it, it has also been mankind who has been firing the first shots, if the 'Battle of Los Angeles' and numerous other aerial encounters are to be taken into consideration in addtion to the headlined news back during the 1950's that the Air Force ordered its pilots to shoot down 'flying saucers.' Seems that it was the Air Force that wanted to play "shoot 'em up at high noon in Dodge City." but ET didn't want to play.

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1952 Flying Saucer "Shoot Down" Stories

On July 29, 1952, International News Service (INS) announced that the Air Force had ordered its jets to shoot down any flying saucers.

More on that story

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/ShootDown_INS_72952.html




Actually, they don't need to look very hard, NORAD tracks hundreds of UFOs each year.



It does to me because I was once part of a government cover-up but it didn't involve UFOs. I saw how easily the government was able to cover-up certain events surrounding the Korean Airliines 007 incident. It was a 'piece of cake' because all the government had to say was that it happen that way and the public would take its word regardless. Only those who were directly involved would know that it was a cover story for the real events.



Actually, the government summed it up with these few simiply words: UFOs do not pose a threat to the United States. The following are the Air Force's own words.

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"UFO's do not pose a threat to the security of the United States, and therefore warrant neither credence nor further concern."

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Want to see ET? Just ask the folks at Wright-Patterson AFB for a look beneath the base but I don't know how far you will get because Senator Barry Goldwater tried and failed.

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Senator Barry Goldwater's Letter
March 28, 1975

Mr.Shlomo Arnon U.C.L.A. Experimental College 308 Westwood Plaza Los Angeles, California 90024

Dear Mr.Arnon:

"The subject of UFOs is one that has interested me for some time. About ten or twelve years ago I made an effort to find out what was in the building at Wright Patterson Air Force Base where the information is stored that has been collected by the Air Force, and I was understandably denied this request."

"It is still classified above Top Secret. I have, however, heard that there is a plan under way to release some, if not all, of this material in the near future. I'm just as anxious to see this material as you are, and I hope we will not have to wait too much longer."

Sincerely.

Barry Goldwater

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Has anyone watched " Canada's Roswell " From the History Channel ? (one of my favorite episodes). That one was definately was a cover up case by the US & Canada governments.

badeskov, I know there are some things left out in this Black Box UFO Secrets episode. The show only runs for an hour - after I edit out the commercials it ends up only 44 minutes.
Overall it was a pretty good show, but I wished they had covered more into certain topics they brought up, or interviews with the witnesses that saw a UFO etc. I mean, like what they did with Alien Technology. They did a Part One, then a part Two. - Two separate hour long shows each.

OT: Llast night, after they played Black Box UFO Secrets they also played: Hanger 18: The UFO Warehouse which is pretty interesting and I hope to share that one tomorrow for you guys. I did not find it on YouTube.

@ Skyeagle, Thank you so much for that information!

Of course they have problems covering various incidents up and the Roswell weather balloon is just one example. The whole problem is that we have no evidence whatsoever for what they are covering up. The CIA/military issues conflicting statements and it smells foul. But whether it was a craft of ET origin, a secret military plane or something completely different entirely we cannot say.



Well, I would say that we don't know anything about ET. That statement presumes the presence of ET and that has not been conclusively proven yet.



Of course the Air Force ordered them shot down. They had no idea of what UFOs were and to them the unknown was a threat. The Government was also hunting communists rigorously, as they were also a threat. Both scared people, but only the latter yielded arrests.



Yes, they most certainly do. No contest there, whatsoever. My only concern is that NORAD only detects them when well within lunar orbit, and most only when in the atmosphere of the Earth. If ET was really visiting us this often, I would seriously expect the military to significantly increase their detection capabilities beyond lunar orbit, which has not happended!!! A simple analogy would be the US military not to develop detection capabilities beyond US borders for incoming Soviet nuclear strategic bombers and intercontinental ballistic missiles. That was a task pursued rigorously. Yet, we simply don't see that buildup happening with ET, and it is a clear contradiction of applied doctrine and previous behavior - if there was any proof that ET was visiting.



So what was the cover-up about KAL007? That was a hodgepodge of errors and miscommunications.



I really like this statement! There would only be two reasons for this announcement:

1) UFOs has been identified as ET and we now know they are friendly
2) UFOs has not been proven to be of ET origin, must therefore be naturally occurring phenomena and thus no threat.

Given that we have no proof for 1), I have to go with 2). Given all the circumstances surrounding the UFO phenomena, to me that is also the most logical. There are simply so many contradictions that UFOs are of ET origin is a stretch of hitherto unseen proportions.



I am sure he tried and failed. And I am sure he would also have been denied to see the F117 before that was unveiled. As with any black program. Again, just because the Air Force has something to hide doesn't mean that it was ET they had stashed away.

Best,
Badeskov

I have watched Black Box UFO Secrets and thought it was very interesting. Alot of the stuff i have seen before, but the show was still good. I have always thought that pilot sightings, including radar and witnesses were always some of the strongest ufo evidence out there. And some of the cases on the show were very interesting.
I am getting more and more into astronauts seeing ufo's. Clearly there is some sort of cover-up. I don't know if its because its aliens or human, but i feel that nasa is covering up, and its so obvious that astronauts are seeing something out there which nasa does not want us to hear.
People say that if there was a cover-up, it would be impossible to keep it that way. I believe this is not the case. You just have to look into the past to see what the governments have covered up( not related to ufos) which we now know as fact, hey, look how they covered up the JFK assassination. I think everyone with half a brain can look into that case and come to the conclusion that evidence is being withheld.
Again, i feel that if the governments are covering up evidence about ufo's then there could be a number of reasons why they are doing this.

I know people say that there should be government leaks, if there is a cover-up, but thats whats happening now. People are coming forward, not just because of the alien ufos, but because of the free energy that we now have. If this is true, i will be disgusted and ashamed to call myself a human being!
Again, why would they do this?control, money, arragonce, primitive way of thinking?
You have to remember how much money is made with oil, gas, coal, etc.
And thats what it comes down too, money!!

Yes indeed, the government UFO cover-up is alive and well but over the years, many government officials have been coming forward and stating that UFO reality is a fact. Even congressman Steven Schiff, (R, New Mexico), mentioned a government cover-up in regards to the Roswell incident. AFter all, the Air Force impeded his investigative efforts into the Roswell incident by giving him the "run-around" and that got him angry enough that he called in the GAO to investigate. That, after other investigators complained that the government was impeding their efforts into the Roswell icident.

Some of the incidents noted in the videos, were denied by the government even though those case files were already documented along with audio and data tapes.

The evidence is definitely not in my garage, but that doesn't mean the evidence not is the garage of someone else. Even skeptics acknowledge that something did crash there but it has already been proven that what crashed, wasn't what the skeptics had claimed. The owner of the garage where the Roswell debris is stored has stated interviews that the overall consenses was that the Roswell debris was from an ET flying saucer.



Since the Air Force had already stated prior to 1953 on two occasions that UFOs were "interplanetary spaceships" they knew what they were dealing with.



NORAD's space surveillance capability is sufficient enough since it already has had its hands full with UFO trackings over the years.



Basically, we knew that the Soviets read the news and we didn't want them to know what we knew so false information was fed to the media and that was in regards to the hunt for the airliner's Black Boxes. The Intel folks were giving us the true facts during the search while false stories were handed out to the press. We were flying recovery gear from Cubi Point, Philippines to Yokota airbase, Japan, where another crew flew the gear to its final destination.



Apparently, the govenment made that determination back during the 1950s but still, there were attempts to shoot down 'flying saucers.'




Radar operators, ATC personnel, pilots, (commercial and miltiary) have stated that natural phenomena played no role in their encountners and meteorologist along with the Air Force's 1969 report, have concurred that natural phenomena was NOT responsible for any of those UFO case files..



Apparenlty, the experts don't see it that way as noted above and the data evdence that proves the reality of intelligently controlled UFOs backs up their statements. After all, natural phenomena cannot account for metallic flying saucers with portholes, rotating strobe lights and other features that define artificial details in the designs.

I've been following and really enjoying the debate between you and B-sky. I surely hope and doubt this is not the end of it. Both you present strong views on the subject without disrespect which is refreshing.

Thanks for the great debate guys.

You're welcome! I haven't seen "Canada's Roswell" yet.

Thank you!

I like debating him but I hope I don't get him into trouble with his boss.

And I like debating you! And I am sitting in a lab fairly far away from my boss, so I should be safe from trouble

Best,
Badeskov

Thanks! I like debates that are conducted in a respectful manner and even more so if others find them interesting as well.

Best,
Badeskov

Cinders, you did a great job of editing! And I agree with you. There is so much information to disseminate that the 44 minutes left after the commercials (thanks for editing those out ) is simply not enough. It leaves too many loose and questions unanswered. But it was interesting nonetheless!

Best,
Badeskov

In case you don't have this episode (or anyone else) ...

See Preview of Canada's Roswell here:
http://www.zippyvideos.com/978160207631367...oswell_preview/

I uploaded this some time ago for someone, and surprised to see the links still work:

Name: Canada's_Roswell_part1.wmv
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Description: Canada's Roswell part 1

The download link is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ipnku6

Name: Canada's_Roswell_part2.wmv
Size: 59MB
Description: Canada's Roswell part 2

The download link is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/mtclga

I meant to say NOT end the debate, but I see I typed the opposite.

Always find the mistakes after I post....

I figured that to missed a NOT in there somewhere. And I always have to edit my posts a couple of times for typos as well

Best,
Badeskov

LOL!!!

I know what you mean because I'm GETTING in trouble with my boss following you two's debate. Been following sence the how did they find us thread. Much respect to both of you gentlemen.

oh boy, I am sure both of us would hate to get innocent bystanders like you into trouble

Best,
Badeskov

Very interesting but what adds to the interest is the civil manner of you and sky's debate. It makes it enjoyable to follow. Again thanks and hope this could go on for little longer.

Thanks again. And I am sure we will continue our debates, which unfortunately tends to span several topics ;-) But Sky's posts are very detailed so I need to take the time to actually read everything and understand all the details before I can reply in a coherent manner

Best,
Badeskov

Thanks, Cinders! Once again, I appreciate the videos you've been presenting.

I, for one, don't have evidence to the contrary in my garage either! Yes, something definitely crashed at Rosswell, but to me the most probably explanation is still some some secret government plane that didn't fly as well as they had predicted. The weather balloon was the perfect cover up until they had cleaned their mess up and gathered their secret belongings.



I was not aware that the Air Force had gone on record stating that UFOs were interplanetry ships. I would very much appreciate a link to the that. I am aware that few Air Force personnel have stated their personal opinion on the matter.



Sure it has detected many UFOs, but still not beyond lunar orbit where you would want to detect them. That, again, is similar not to being able to detect Soviet nuclear strategic bombers before they enter US airspace. I simply don't see that happening and that is one of the most important indicators to me that the US Air Force does not think that UFOs are of ET origin.



Well, there we a very rigorous hunt for KAL007's black boxes and the Soviets wanted to get their hands on them as well. But that doesn't make it a cover up of any sorts. The Soviets thought it was a spy plane and the US knew it wasn't, and each wanted to prove the other wrong. But lets not go into that here, wrong topic



Well, we are back to no known weather phenomena.



Well, I can only agree with you that weather phenomena do not manifest themselves as flying saucers that have windows and other clear artifacts. However, I still remain to be convinced that these eye witness reports can be trusted.

But I will say that weather phenomena could account for radar only observations and where the observations are very brightly lit and difficult to look at when at close range due to the intensity.

Best,
Badeskov

It couldn't have been a secret aircraft of the military because the military was totally unaware of any crash until notified by a civilian. Besides, aircraft flight test were carried out at Muroc (now Edwards AFB, CA. which incidently, had its own UFO ecounter right after the Roswell incident.
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MUROC AFB INCIDENT, CALIFORNIA
July 8, 1947

Series of sightings over MUROC AFB and Rogers Dry Lake, secret test base, California:
Morning: Two spherical or disc-like UFOs joined by a third object. (XII)
Crew of technicians saw white-aluminum UFO with distinct oval outline descending,
moving against wind, (II).

Afternoon: Thin "metallic" UFO climbed, dove, oscillated over field, also seen by test pilot in vicinity.
(XII)

F-51 pilot watched a flat object "of light-reflecting nature" pass above his plane. No
known aircraft were in the area. (XII)
Section II: Technicians at Secret Test Base Observe Mechanical UFO

http://www.nuforc.org/Muroc.html
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Actually, the weather balloon story was 47 years old until the Air Force changed its story in 1994 and once again, it couldn't have been a secret project of the military since the military was totally unaware of any crash during that time frame until notified by a civilian.

A report of a flying saucer overflying the area was made just before the military released its first report to the media that it recovered a flying disk.



More on that story:

August 5, 1948, Top Secret EOTS
The Top Secret "Estimate of the Situation," concluding UFOs were interplanetary space ships, sent to Air Force Chief of Staff. (Brad Sparks: .....specifically Aug 5, 1948, the date Keyhoe gave after actually seeing a copy in 1952.)

“Ruppelt dates the start of work on the AMC EOTS, which concluded that UFOs represented interplantery craft, from about the end of July, with completion and dispatch about the end of September. His description of the physical appearance of the document and the contents of the EOTS are similar to the "Analysis." When the "Analysis" was found, some felt this document was the one to which Ruppelt referred and he had "hyped" its contents. Former Major Dewey Fournet confirmed the EOTS as described by Ruppelt did exist, and a copy survived in the USAF Intelligence files."

" From the _Memorandum for Record_ by Fournet it would seem that as late as June, 1952, he was not aware of the existence of the EOTS. Several other knowledgeable persons have referenced the EOTS or alluded to it. Fournet has said that the EOTS could probably be found in the Current Intelligence Files or the Air Technical Intelligence Center (ATIC) files at the HQ, USAF."

http://www.nicap.org/waves/1948fullrep.htm


And, the Air Force also stated the same in its 1952 Intelligence report on UFO maneuvers (Analysis).



It was a cover-up as noted by the Intel folks in the Philippines. We also had a spy plane in the general area durng the time of the incident but it was the Soviets who shot down the B-747.

Thank you for posting.

is this by the same people that made ufo warehouse?