This is a video, I found on the net. This is about how an object supposedly belonging to the Roswell incident was found to be of Extra-terrestrial in origin and how a press conference which was to reveal the information of the test conducted on the object was abruptly canceled without a valid reason.



What makes me suspicious is, If indeed there was a conspiracy to prevent results of the tests

1. How in the hell was this video possible?

2. How is the object still in the possession of Roger Lier (The person who supposedly owned the object even before the tests)?

Wow, that was really something! I'm not sure what to think about all this. One thing is for sure...I wouldn't want to have anything to do with that object (just to be on the safe side).

Well, this man is saying that the press conference was cancelled for no reason and hints a possible conspiracy, But he still has the object. Wouldn't the Govt.be trying to cease the object
as well?

You'd think that if this was a real bit of UFO debris, and there was an attempted cover up, they would have gone after the artefact.

I agree, if this was real and the evil government wanted to cover it up for some reason this guy would be dead and the "evidence" long gone.

There is no doubt about it. I don't think any of us doubts how far any government would actually go if they really had to cover something up effectively, however sinister that might sound!

Best,
Badeskov

This ufo case is the worst case i've ever layed eyes on. It's so annoying.

That reminds me of what happened on the CBS, Circle Star Theater on January 22, 1958. The following is a short accout of what happened on that program. Air Force Captain Ed Ruppelt, who acknowledge the two Air Force documents confirming that some UFOs were in fact, "interplanetary spaceships" suddenly was unable to appear on the program. Kenneth Arnold was to appear as well but refused to do so at the last moment because of issues. In a telephone interview later, he stated that it was in his judgement, and using the "process of elimination," that UFOs were not of this planet.

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What Happen On the CBS Program, The Armstrong Circle Star Theater, On January 22, 1958?


"1958 Major Donald Keyhoe, Director of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon (NICAP), appeared as a guest on the "Armstrong Circle Theater Show." He had planned to make an announcement about what the United States government knew about UFOs. He began by stating, "And now I'm going to reveal something that has never been disclosed before...for the last six months we have been working with a congressional committee investigating official secrecy about UFOs..." At that moment the producer of the show (CBS) cut the audio and the public was not able to hear the remainder of Major Keyhoe's statement. Later it was determined to have been done because of pressure from Air Force "spokesmen" in the interest of national security."

"The allegation that the Air Force is concealing the truth about UFOs and knows more than it is telling the public is a frequent one. In the forefront of the censorship debate is Donald Kehoe (Major, USMC, Ret.), Director, NICAP. His books, "The Flying Saucer Conspiracy" and "Flying Saucers, Top Secret" deal with what is claimed to be Air Force censorship of UFO information. One example from the latter book will illustrate the problem."

"Kehoe had been invited to appear on a radio program, Armstrong Circle Theater, to participate in a panel discussion of the UFO problem. He had planned to bring up Capt. Ruppelt's claim that UFOs were real, were interplanetary and that the Air Force knew this, to the extent of publishing a report to this effect in an official Air Technical Intelligence Center (ATIC) report in 1948." (Wright-Patterson AFB)

"The individual charge of reviewing the program prior to its airing told Kehoe that he could not use that material because of time limitations Kehoe suspected Air Force pressure on the radio station and asked if this was the case. The answer he received was that CBS did not want to get into difficulty with the Air Force. Kehoe cut the referenced discussion from his script, but in the heat of the discussion during the actual broadcast he declared that he would make an announcement never before made to the public, at which time his microphone was cut off. There was a public clamor about this in the press and in letters from individuals to the radio station. In answer to an inquiry by a NICAP member, Herbert A. Carlborg, CBS editor of Editing, made this statement:

"This program has been carefully cleared for security reasons. therefore, it was the responsibility of this network to insure performance that was in accordance with predetermined security standards. Any indication that there would be a deviation from the script might lead to a statement that neither this network nor the individuals on the program were authorized to release."

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Skyeagle...do you ever get tired of "doing the dance"???

Every case is not necessarily an "alien", yet you are so bound and determined to make them all so...to "have an answer" even if "an answer" isn't necessary.

...and that (more often than not) makes you look silly...

Nope!!



Let's just say that knowledge has a lot to do with it. If you want to get into a direct debate with me on the issue of UFO reality, let's do it, and I can get very technical with the data evidence to prove my point as well. As Kenneth Arnold stated in a telephone interview, "it is just a matter of using the process of elimination to find that UFOs are not of this Earth."

Are you willing to accept the challenge?

Problem with your idea is that we have 2 different standards of what compromises evidence.

You accept what UFO sites have to say without even the basics of critical skepticsm...I do not.

I will not lower my standards simply to debate you...

Of course, that's not going to stop me from "pokeing holes" in your ideas when I see the need arise...

Sorry if that's not what you had in mind...

That is because I am very familar with the data evidence and what it depicts.



I am as skeptical as you are in regards to UFO reports. I base my facts on the evidence that I am familiar with and understand.



Try poking holes and I will challenge you to a technical debate on the data evidence. In other words, you had better have something that back's your claims.

Sky, please, if you are going to waive numbers in our faces again you better explain what we are looking at. Anyone can do that, and claim they are proof of aliens on Earth, if the opposition dont have a clue what they mean. They could be taken from your bathroom wall for all I know.

Hazzard,

I revised this post for you in order to make it easier to understand what I am trying to portray as far as the radar information is concerned, so grab some popcorn but not any beer since one beer leads to another and because of the length of this post, I am afraid that you might pass out drunk before you get ot the end.

Using the table below, the numbers in the first column represent time in seconds, the second column, the UFO's heading, the third, the UFO's airspeed and the last column the UFO's altitude. Each time the UFO was locked on, it reacted in an intelligently controlled manner and broke each of the radar locks on both F-16s and did so on multiple occasions. To sum that up, it clearly indicates intelligence as far as the maneuvers were concerned. In fact, the F-16s received a jamming signal from that UFO and that too, indicates intelligence as well.

Note that between 4 and 5 secords after lock-on, the UFO accelerates from 150 knots to 560 knots at an altitude of 6000 feet with a 70 degree shape turn from a southwest heading to the west at 22 Gs. Such a maneuver would have destroyed an F-16's airframe outright. Between 12 seconds and 14 seconds after lock-on, the UFO accelerates from 560 knots at FL 110 (11000 feet) to 770 knots at 7000 feet. Between 17 and 20 seconds after lock-on the UFO accelerates from 790 knots at 5000 feet to 1010 knots and down to 990 knots at 3000 feet.

NOTE: The airspeed of 990 knots, which is listed with the data numbers is also displayed on the F-16's radar screen below,

An air intercept radar in STT mode is like grabbing a wild cat with you hand. You know what the cat is doing by feel and sight and radar in STT mode is quite the same. Once locked in STT mode, it will obtain all kinds of data on the object that is locked, as if it had grabbed onto that UFO with an invisible hand. Air intercept radar can even detect a pilot's helment in another aircraft from tens of miles away and can even identify a jet engine by the charactericis of the compressor blades rotating inside the engine nacelle and do so from many, many miles away as well. People seem to think that radar just sends out a signal and receives a simple blip on the screen and that's it.

Today's radars are very sophisticated and can obtain much more about an object than many people are aware of, much of it classified and cannot be found anywhere on the internet nor in any library, but what it can do would have been considered the stuff of science fiction during the 1950s and 1960s.

F-16's Radar Data As Provided By The Belgian Air Force

03 200 150 7000
04 sharp 200 acceleration 150 6000
05 turn 270 = 22 g 560 6000
06 270 560 6000
07 270 570 6000
08 270 560 7000
09 270 550 7000
10 210 560 9000
11 210 570 10000
12 210 560 11000
13 210 570 10000
14 270 770 7000
15 270 770 6000
16 270 780 6000
17 270 790 5000
18 290 1010 4000
19 290 1000 3000
20 290 990 2000

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Who presented the numbers?!



Where did the numbers come from?!



This low altitude world record breaker, the F-104RB, can't even come close to the perfomance figures noted above, which underlines the major differences between the perfomance levels of real UFOs and conventional aircraft.

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/Stars/wRB.htm

Hazzard. Is it so hard to be respectful and nice to people. Please try to be nice and respectful.

thanks

by the way sky. What are those numbers I don't understand them???????

Using the table below, the numbers in the first column represent time in seconds, the second column, the UFO's heading, the third, the UFO's airspeed and the last column the UFO's altitude. Each time the UFO was locked on, it reacted in an intelligently controlled manner and broke each of the radar locks on both F-16s and did so on multiple occasions. To sum that up, it clearly indicates intelligence as far as the maneuvers were concerned. In fact, the F-16s received a jamming signal from that UFO and that too, indicates intelligence as well.

Note that between 4 and 5 secords after lock-on, the UFO accelerates from 150 knots to 560 knots at an altitude of 6000 feet with a 70 degree shape turn from a southwest heading to the west at 22 Gs. Such a maneuver would have destroyed an F-16's airframe outright. Between 12 seconds and 14 seconds after lock-on, the UFO accelerates from 560 knots at FL 110 (11000 feet) to 770 knots at 7000 feet. Between 17 and 20 seconds after lock-on the UFO accelerates from 790 knots at 5000 feet to 1010 knots and down to 990 knots at 3000 feet. The airspeed of 990 knots is displayed on the F-16's radar, which is displayed on the radar image provided in my earlier post.

An air intercept radar in STT mode is like grabbing a wild cat with you hand. You know what the cat is doing by feel and sight and radar in STT mode is quite the same. Once locked in STT mode, it will obtain all kinds of data on the object that is locked, as if it had grabbed onto that UFO with an invisible hand. Air intercept radar can even detect a pilot's helment in another aircraft from tens of miles away and can even identify a jet engine by the charactericis of the compressor blades rotating inside the engine nacelle and do so from many, many miles away as well. People seem to think that radar just sends out a signal and receives a simple blip on the screen and that's it.

Today's radar are very sophisticated and can obtain much more about an object than many people are aware of, much of it classified and cannot be found anywhere on the internet nor in any library, but what it can do would have been considered the stuff of science fiction during the 1950s and 1960s.


03 200 150 7000
04 sharp 200 acceleration 150 6000
05 turn 270 = 22 g 560 6000
06 270 560 6000
07 270 570 6000
08 270 560 7000
09 270 550 7000
10 210 560 9000
11 210 570 10000
12 210 560 11000
13 210 570 10000
14 270 770 7000
15 270 770 6000
16 270 780 6000
17 270 790 5000
18 290 1010 4000
19 290 1000 3000
20 290 990 2000

This low altitude world record breaker, the F-104RB, can't even come close to the perfomance figures noted above, which underlines the major differences between the perfomance levels real UFOs and conventional aircraft.

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/Stars/wRB.htm

I totally understand where you are coming from skyeagle. If you are going to go into a case, then you do have to gather information, and if people dont understand, then they should too.

Skeptics say alot on here that some people might not understand, that does not mean i have to turn around and say, sorry, i dont understand that. What it means is i have to find out more on what they are saying so i can agree or disagree with them.
There is nothing wrong with skyeagle going into the numbers, because thats what most professional people do, and if it give it more insight, then thats a good thing.

You can only believe or de-bunk a case when you know everything about it. So skyeagle, bring on the numbers. I think i understand now:)

Just watched it. If it is proven that these metal samples are not from this world, and artificial, then thats all the proof needed. But it goes to show what the governments would do to cover something up like this.
I would like to know whats happend to the samples?
Why doesn't he just go all out public with it, thats what i would do.
It seems to me that the tests that have been done prove that its not from earth and artificial, so this should be world news.

I revised my post to hazzard in order to make it easier for him to understand where I am coming from as far as the numbers in question are concerned.

Exactly. There is no evidence, anywhere. A fuzzy video on youtube of some old duffer does not count as evidence.

I have seen a few of your posts now, and you dont seem to say anything else apart from fuzzy videos and photos.
Do you look into the cases? i dont think so. Its easy to come on here and say its all crap. Some de-bunkers on here are really good because they back up what they say. And its not just de-bunkers, its the believers too. If you are going to believe something, then back it up too.

What are you talking about!?




Thats what I asked Sky to clarify, and if that made me disrespectful and not-nice in your book, well.....

I think its safe to say that NO ONE here knew what those numbers meant. Thats why I asked him in the first place. Asking a question or two is good and shouldnt make you feel embarrassed.

It also shows that one is interested and willing to learn. It think its only fare that if someone is trying to make a case for aliens on Earth they better be prepared to answer a few questions about their "evidence" and post a link or two to back their claims. Sky is always very thorough and organized in doing this. I may not agree with him and I might even question the credibility of some of the links to "UFO believer sites" he keeps referring to as proof, but we all have our own view of what constitutes hard scientific evidence and reality, right.

PS: Thanks for the lesson sky, Ill get into it after I get home.

ITS GOOD TO BE FRIENDS LOL;)

I am not impressed with your familiarity. You've done absolutely nothing that would convince me that you are anything other than a credulous believer



Yet you make use of believer sites to make your arguments...that's hardly skeptical...



Back what claims?? That there are no alien spaceships?? Why would I attempt to prove a negative??

This obvious attempt at shifting the burden of proof only re-enforces the point I made on the other thread...you are using tactics that credulous believers use. You are obviously not skeptical, yet you claim to be...

The more you post the more you demonstrate just how biased you are when examinating this subject.

That's your fault, not mine...

Im sorry, but skyeagle is one of the only few who can really back up his claims, and you just need to look into it( if you can be botherd) to see this.



Again you are wrong. I have heard him de-bunk stuff on here and you will find that the cases he talks about are the more credible ones, ones you most prob know very little about.





I am someone who is a believer, but also someone who does not believe in everything. If you know a bit about the subject, then you will know that skyeagle talks alot of sense, esp on the important cases.
You being a de-bunker, you need to look at what he is saying and counter it with your own views, just like B

That doesn't change anything since I am not here to impress anyone.



I am a believer, but I am also a skeptic when it comes to UFO reports until I have had to time to examine the evidence in detail, otherwise, I would be claiming that all of Billy Meier's UFO photos were authentic.



What does that have to do with it if the facts can be ascertained by other sources?

Okay, you know that I have often posted the UFO events over Washington D.C. in 1952 and used certain sites on the internet as references. Well, if you don't want to use my internet references on the Washington UFO events, then go to your local library and pull out the microfilms of the media during the months of July, August and September 1952 and tell me what you find as far those UFO events over our national capital are concerned.

You will find that what I have presented from those internet sources were reported exactly back in 1952. Let me help you along with this reference.

LIFE Magazine, August 4, 1952, pages 39-40



I would like to add these articles but there are many more such articles dating back to 1952 as well. Note the references had nothing to do with UFO believer web sites in 1952.

NOTE: In some of articles in the next link, read how the Air Force sought to cover-up this incident by attributing the UFOs as "reflections." Commercial and military pilots, ATC personnel and radar controllers who were involved in the incidents had rejected the Air Force's false claim that temperature inversion was responsible for those UFOs.

In 1969, the Air Force's own scientific study and meteorologist also rejected mirages as well, for such incidents,

["Quantitative Aspects of Mirages," USAF Environmental Technical Applications Center, 1969, Menkello, F.V.,]

* July 19/20, 1952, Washington, D.C.
Various newspaper articles describing the unknown objects over Washington, D.C.

http://www.nicap.org/docs/wns/wns520719_pr.htm


* New York World - Telegram and Sun, Tuesday, July 29, 1952
Article:
Washington Radar Observer Relates Watching Stunts By Flying Saucers
Harry G. Barnes eye-witness acount of events of July 19/20, 1952.

http://www.nicap.org/docs/wns/wns520719_barnes_pr.htm


* SPOT INTELLIGENCE REPORT
SUBJECT: Unidentified Objects Sighted at Andrews AFB, 20 July 1952

http://www.nicap.org/docs/wns/wns520720_andrews.htm


* July 20, 1952, Washington, D.C.
AFXOI FLYOBRPT 5-52

http://www.nicap.org/docs/wns/wns520719_pierman.htm


* LIFE Magazine
There is a case for interplanetary saucers

http://www.project1947.com/fig/life752.jpg


* Saucer Outran Jet, Pilot Reveals

http://www.ufocasebook.com/washington1952newspaper.jpg

Too late for that now. If the government knocks him off now, that will only set off the alarm bells and people will be hollering government cover-up even louder than they are now.

Very true. I have a strange feeling that something big, a breakthrough is just around the corner:)

Perhaps, the breakthough will come when we come around full circle back to the starting line.

maybe:) somethings needs to happen like this before we destroy ourselves

That reminds me of former President Ronald Reagan's ET speech at the United Nations.

"President Reagan saw UFO, often spoke of a world united because of alien invasion"

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1738.htm

Oh yes:) we all remember that. But im more worried about us destroying ourselves. Its very worrying when you look on the news. All i see is violence, its getting worse i feel, and im sure that another world war is looming. I will be so pissed of if governments are hiding advanced tech which could make the world a better place, but then again, it would not surprise me.