What if Christian leaders are wrong about homosexuality? I suppose, much as a newspaper maintains its credibility by setting the record straight, church leaders would need to do the same:

Correction: Despite what you might have read, heard or been taught throughout your churchgoing life, homosexuality is, in fact, determined at birth and is not to be condemned by God's followers.

Based on a few recent headlines, we won't be seeing that admission anytime soon. Last week, U.S. Roman Catholic bishops took the position that homosexual attractions are "disordered" and that gays should live closeted lives of chastity. At the same time, North Carolina's Baptist State Convention was preparing to investigate churches that are too gay-friendly. Even the more liberal Presbyterian Church (USA) had been planning to put a minister on trial for conducting a marriage ceremony for two women before the charges were dismissed on a technicality. All this brings me back to the question: What if we're wrong?

Religion's only real commodity, after all, is its moral authority. Lose that, and we lose our credibility. Lose credibility, and we might as well close up shop.

It's happened to Christianity before, most famously when we dug in our heels over Galileo's challenge to the biblical view that the Earth, rather than the sun, was at the center of our solar system. You know the story. Galileo was persecuted for what turned out to be incontrovertibly true. For many, especially in the scientific community, Christianity never recovered.

This time, Christianity is in danger of squandering its moral authority by continuing its pattern of discrimination against gays and lesbians in the face of mounting scientific evidence that sexual orientation has little or nothing to do with choice. To the contrary, whether sexual orientation arises as a result of the mother's hormones or the child's brain structure or DNA, it is almost certainly an accident of birth. The point is this: Without choice, there can be no moral culpability.

Answer in Scriptures

So, why are so many church leaders (not to mention Orthodox Jewish and Muslim leaders) persisting in their view that homosexuality is wrong despite a growing stream of scientific evidence that is likely to become a torrent in the coming years? The answer is found in Leviticus 18. "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination."

As a former "the Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it" kind of guy, I am sympathetic with any Christian who accepts the Bible at face value. But here's the catch. Leviticus is filled with laws imposing the death penalty for everything from eating catfish to sassing your parents. If you accept one as the absolute, unequivocal word of God, you must accept them all.

For many of gay America's loudest critics, the results are unthinkable. First, no more football. At least not without gloves. Handling a pig skin is an abomination. Second, no more Saturday games even if you can get a new ball. Violating the Sabbath is a capital offense according to Leviticus. For the over-40 crowd, approaching the altar of God with a defect in your sight is taboo, but you'll have plenty of company because those menstruating or with disabilities are also barred.

The truth is that mainstream religion has moved beyond animal sacrifice, slavery and the host of primitive rituals described in Leviticus centuries ago. Selectively hanging onto these ancient proscriptions for gays and lesbians exclusively is unfair according to anybody's standard of ethics. We lawyers call it "selective enforcement," and in civil affairs it's illegal.

A better reading of Scripture starts with the book of Genesis and the grand pronouncement about the world God created and all those who dwelled in it. "And, the Lord saw that it was good." If God created us and if everything he created is good, how can a gay person be guilty of being anything more than what God created him or her to be?

Turning to the New Testament, the writings of the Apostle Paul at first lend credence to the notion that homosexuality is a sin, until you consider that Paul most likely is referring to the Roman practice of pederasty, a form of pedophilia common in the ancient world. Successful older men often took boys into their homes as concubines, lovers or sexual slaves. Today, such sexual exploitation of minors is no longer tolerated. The point is that the sort of long-term, committed, same-sex relationships that are being debated today are not addressed in the New Testament. It distorts the biblical witness to apply verses written in one historical context (i.e. sexual exploitation of children) to contemporary situations between two monogamous partners of the same sex. Sexual promiscuity is condemned by the Bible whether it's between gays or straights. Sexual fidelity is not.

What would Jesus do?

For those who have lingering doubts, dust off your Bibles and take a few hours to reacquaint yourself with the teachings of Jesus. You won't find a single reference to homosexuality. There are teachings on money, lust, revenge, divorce, fasting and a thousand other subjects, but there is nothing on homosexuality. Strange, don't you think, if being gay were such a moral threat?

On the other hand, Jesus spent a lot of time talking about how we should treat others. First, he made clear it is not our role to judge. It is God's. ("Judge not lest you be judged." Matthew 7:1) And, second, he commanded us to love other people as we love ourselves.

So, I ask you. Would you want to be discriminated against? Would you want to lose your job, housing or benefits because of something over which you had no control? Better yet, would you like it if society told you that you couldn't visit your lifelong partner in the hospital or file a claim on his behalf if he were murdered?

The suffering that gay and lesbian people have endured at the hands of religion is incalculable, but they can look expectantly to the future for vindication. Scientific facts, after all, are a stubborn thing. Even our religious beliefs must finally yield to them as the church in its battle with Galileo ultimately realized. But for religion, the future might be ominous. Watching the growing conflict between medical science and religion over homosexuality is like watching a train wreck from a distance. You can see it coming for miles and sense the inevitable conclusion, but you're powerless to stop it. The more church leaders dig in their heels, the worse it's likely to be.

Oliver "Buzz" Thomas is a Baptist minister and author of an upcoming book, 10 Things Your Minister Wants to Tell You (But Can't Because He Needs the Job).

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I got this in a PM earlier, it's a great read.

ugh *erases everything she was writing*

Ya know.. screw it.. I don't have the energies to get into another thread about homosexuality and how natural it is.

I can predict what it'll boil down to.

The church will never admitt that homosexuality is natural... people will say it's unnatural and give that tired old "If we put gay men on an island...!" backwards reasoning... Dismiss all the heaps of evidance and scientific studies that show that homosexuality is very much a natural occurance... from tired old sources that have been cited and cited over and over.... And let's not forget all those damned slippery slope arguments against homosexuality...

Why... ok why? Why can't we ever just let people live the way they want to live? If a guy loves another guy.. or a gal loves another gal.. so what.. let them. If they want to be married.. let them. If they want to raise children.. let them. The gods know that there are so many children in foster care that need a loving home.. and it has been proven over and over that a gay couple can provide a loveing home for a child.

>.> Ok so I did rant... *wanders off*

religeon....made by man. there is only one truth. it doesnt take a real scientist to figure out u cant plug 2 male ends of extension cords together ...hello?..

There's more to love then sex... and there's more to sex then just intercourse. As well as the fact that to men can have intercourse.. however these are not the forums to get into it. Use your imagination.. or has science completely taken it away?

Science has supported homosexuality... One of the keys to it is nature's way of population control.

And let's not start with that one truth bull.

The point being made by the article though, is if you hold on to ONE law then you really have to accept the others.

BTW, when is the last time any of you "made sacrifice to the Lord"?


The old arguement against homosexuality, grows weaker each year, although its adversaries do grow more frantic in their protests.

Oh, and what of Gender Identity Disorders? Those individuals who are "the wrong gender in the wrong body"? Transexuals, or Transgendered, take your pick.

What is the Christian stance on them?

I think this just plainly states the contridictions people can and do live.

For instance it would be just like a church or a religion or a believer in anything to say "It is ok to love" then when a touchy subject like homosexuality is brung up they completely change there stance to "how imoral etcetc". So it just goes to show that we are allowed to do anything, only as much as it confroms to what ever twisted perspecive that one holds about anything.


Where's the equality of thoughts?





I heard a lady once say "I love children"
"Wow" I thought "thats liking saying I like people......For a little while."

how can being gay be "natural" totally the opposite how many gay animals do u see daily? cant say iv seen em since its not natural for them to be so. most plant life takes a male and female to reproduce or survive. gay ppl cant produce children so how could they raise them? how can there be more than 1 truth? if i call an apple a pear an you call it an apple its still an apple. love has nothing to do with homo's its okay for a man to love a man a man but if it gets sexual that is distortion.

Aye.. this is true.. X) I used to have an icon in my sigpic about all that. Let me see if I can find it...

oh! here it is!

hey sbradj?

Is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable?

its a tomato

I CALLED IT! Pay me up the 20 bucks!

Someone is useing that old and tired... "BUT THEY CAN'T REPRODUCE!!!"

See that's why it's concidered nature's way of population control! So everyone *ISN'T* reproducing!

And again I say... there's more to love then sex. And there's more to sex then intercourse.

As for gay animals... there is a whole huge list of animals who have homosexuals within them. There's even a few species that are nothing but females.. and they actually do reproduce.

One of the most famous pair of homosexual animals to date is the penguin pain in the NYC zoo. They were even given an abandoned egg to hatch and to raise the chick. There's even a children's book writen about them. And Tango Makes Three

oh hey.. want that list? Alot of animals do have homosexualism. So how is that not natural? And please.. spare me that tired old "Animals do ...., so should we as well?" That's a bull retort and can be shot down with as humans are animals as well... every animals have their own quarks in nature.

>.>

a tomato is a fruit..

Religions that advocate the righteouness of goodness lose their credibility when its disciples accuse, tortue &/or kill for the name of the deity they worship.

SC, don't get your fur in a knot over this.

They know what they know, and thats all that they want to know.

One would almost think they were afraid that they will be forced to be homosexual.

Or, they are just chuffed because they can't get a date with either sex...........

Here. Educate yourself a little.

Mom and Dad and Dad

"Almost a quarter of black swan families are parented by homosexual couples. Male couples sometimes mate with a female just to have a baby. Once she lays the egg, they chase her away, hatch the egg, and raise a family on their own."

Read the rest of the article here.

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats too much.. think the point was lost bout the pear apple thing wasnt a fruit or veg . was in the same feild not another ...try to keep up ...so these animals in these zoos are homo's..having sex....huh? an by the way we're married all straight here...

first off sparky, I find your use of the word "homo" to be some what offensive. Please refrain from using it.

Secondly, we have members here from all walks of life, married and single, straight and homosexual, religious and non, black and white. So what is the point of bringing up the "an by the way we're married all straight here... angle? Afraid some big tough homosexual might fancy you? Or are you worried that they wouldn't find you pretty enough?

And, did you even take the time to check the links provided? Probably not, since the evidence provided might disrupt your narrow worldview.

Lastly, what difference is it to you whether Tom & Mary, or Lisa & Sue, or Dave and Bill are partners? It isn't like they are affecting you.

They're hypocrites. If a religion is so dead set against allowing gays and lesbians any acknolwedgement of their existence, and frankly how does it affect anyone other than the person who is gay, then why oh why do they protect all of the priests who fondle little boys in the back confession booth? They should be punishing their own if it's that bad, but the reason they don't is because too many of them are GAY! The entire church would end up coming out of the biggest closet ever built.

Frankly everyone is entitled to their own opinion and preference. I myself think there are far more important things in my life than to worry about someone elses sexual preference. What am I going to do, Hate my cousin because he came out of the closet? Then I would be committing another sin by hating.

homosexual more typing but okay ..no i didnt look at the links and no it wouldnt change my narrow view on the subject..its okay for your comments to be offensive right? not worried bout some homosexual tough person...dont exist.. and as for the last comment yes it does have an effect on me. how can u teach children its acceptable ..since its not theres still ppl in this world who live by strong standards what standards is there to homesexualty? as long as time lasts there will always be a battle against it . said the married statement cause u said something bout needing a date and im not really interested in your constant proposals...

then why not look at the links if it won't change your mind?

There is more evidence presented each year that our sexuality, even our gender identity is 'hard wired' in our brains. Even, perhaps, in our genetic make up.

Although, from your opinions, you see homosexuals as immoral creatures, and picture them as sterotypical "limp wristed fairies", I can surmise that you won't change your mind.

As for teaching your children....

Do you teach your children about other religions? Or just tell them that other faiths are false?

Do you teach them about honesty? But still cheat on your taxes?

Do you teach them that all men are created with the potential for greatness? Or that >insert minority here< are "lower beings"?

Why not teach them that people are people, and it is our differences that we should be celebrating, instead of condemning.

And now for the $64 dollar question: What would you do if your child announced that he or she were gay?

And please don't respond with "They won't". Just try to imagine if they "would" and try to answer

And you tell me not to be upset over this little man's views? *snickers*

However, the point is made. He refuses to learn... He refuses to accept... and he refuses to show some wisdom. Having a conversation with him is like talking to a brick all... a sad thing really.

I mean if he can't even answer a question about what a tomato is correctly, then later call it an apple or pear, since the meaning of the question went completely over his head...

Oh my gosh SC and joey, we had this discussion at work tonight but, and joey you will appreciate this the debate was two taurus's against someone....she didn't have a chance, she actually went away saying you know i hadn't thought of homosexuality like that.....Too bad Um wasn't more open and at least willing to look at another pov beside What they think they know"" LOL....My taurus freind was sharing with me her niece has just come out of the closet and my friends sister is freaking out and my taurus friend was telling me she was so embarrased by her sister she was actually younger and couldn't understand her mentality her daughters sexuality should be celebrated not anything to be ashamed of.....


Now i ask who would ever worship a deity that shunned anyone man that is a huge pet peeve of mine, i am working on understanding that.... ....Rachel interesting article

The ONLY time religion loses it's credibility with me;


When religious sects of all denominations start to talk of YOU giving up the almighty dollar so as to be $aved! $avED! $AVED!

''Give all that you have and thy shall be saved my son''

This is an issue that needs to be mentioned more. I'm really tired of Christians saying that homosexuality is a choice. I myself am not homosexual, but I know that if I were, hearing those kinds of things where people try to tell me what my life is like when they have no idea, would really upset me.

There are many people who try to force themselves to be straight, they date women, they tell people they are straight, but in the end they realize they just can't change it.

For any Christian with a smug little grin on their face that sits there and tells people it's not natural to be gay, how about you try to find a man attractive. Try to REALLY make yourself attracted to another man (or woman, but we don't hear too often about persecution of lesbians). No matter how hard you tried, you couldn't do it. It's the same thing
for homosexuals, they simply cannot choose. Many devout Christians treat it like gay people just want to be sinful, etc.. But while you sit there and hand out insults of blasphemy in your comfortable little Christian world, there are homosexual people contemplating suicide because they try and try but just can't force themselves to be straight.

dont believe in fairyes so...as for taxes why cheat on them.? and the "hardwired" in thing..how is it any different to be hardwired against it? and the children...they would be unaccepted..u dont make exceptions for something you are against to to make things easier or acceptable...and other faiths they get educated..and for the blasphemy? its not what that means..blasphemy is against god ..not man.. reason ppl cant come out of homosexualtiy might be cause they have changed the nature of things..kinda the only thing ive heard of that ppl cant come back out of...take a muderer some not all..have had remorse for the crimes and truly turned from it...take a thief...some again not all have had remorse and truned from it and etc...and the tomato thing? lol u wouldnt ask if it was an onion would u? no no matter what its still what it is a tomato thats the truth.. kinda hard to change the fact of that...

Firstly, concerning Galileo - in the strictest sense of the term it wasn't an entirely "Christian" issue, but rather only to do with a particular denomination (Catholicism). It might be interesting to note that outside of Rome, in Protestant countries, where Protestant faiths were dominant, Galileo's theories were embraced. But that's neither here nor there.

On the topic, people keep speaking of the mounting evidence for the genetic coding of a homosexual, I have never seen any conclusive proof. The best any study has been able to say has been something along the lines of "research indicates a possible link.....". A link that has yet to be reproduced in controlled experiments.

From studies I've read, I think at best one could consider homosexuality to occur as a result of a mix between genetics and environment. Just as one who has natural athletic ability need not necessarily become an athlete (they may become a mathematician, for example), though they may use their natural ability to forge into the sporting arena.

As an aside, I read a book a while back, a series of true stories (as told by the people themselves) of homosexual Christian's. In one story, the guy was always fond of males over females. He was never interested in the female body. As a 16 year old, he got into the Sydney gay scene and for the next 15 years was heavily involved in that culture. Then he went back to Christianity and despite his homosexual tendencies, because of his belief he denied them. THen (the author writes) he was shocked and surprised to find himself attracted to a female member of his church.

Though truth be told, I don't like arguing homosexuality as a special point on its own as if homosexuality is this ultra special biblical concept. THe fact is, the Bible never singles it out as a special topic for discussion, so why do we? Any time it's mentioned (and I agree that Leviticus 18 is a pointless passage to quote - as SC's image shows, quote one quote them all) it's in a list. And not even at the top of the list (like the worst of the lot). Never. Biblically speaking, it's just another way people can disobey God (just as a heterosexual committing adultery is also going agaisnt God). So in this sense, whether homosexuality is completely genetic or not is quite irrelevant.

I hope this post doesn't sound like I'm saying anything against homosexuals, because I'm not. As far as I'm concerned, a homosexual is no different than a heterosexual - ie, we have all turned from God at some point.

Ok, I'm rambling now. It happens at 1:30am I'll finish off there.....

Regards, PA

Sexual morality of any kind should not be taught in public schools.
Public schools should present secular law and secular standards and should not be teaching aspects of spirituality.

Homosexuality, adultery, pedophilia, celibacy, polygamy, sadomasochism, and sexual fetishes are not subjects for public school except to reflect what is legal or illegal under secular law at the appropriate age.

It should be the same for other matters of morality as well, such as eating animals or devoting personal time and resources towards charity.

Adultery is legal under secular law but it is not taught as morally acceptable in public schools and other matters of personal morality should be treated in a like manner.

i think its a wonderful idea to keep religous teachings out of public school, why do you use the word sexual morals, religon is so fond of defining limits assigning meaning and being in complete utter error on most things then denying they are 'shrugs'.The public school system is a way for kids to get away from the teachings of their parents, see many POV for many this is a great eye opener...i will say they have done more good as far as raising sexual awarenss than many homes, teen pregnancy is at a all time low since the 60's that is remarkable and its due to sex education, in schools and the new modern parent who is no longer rearing a child to be ashamed of there sexuality ....I'll tell you kids are each unique in ther expression and a child that is raised to embrace and celebrate the most natural thing about him willl never be harming others...We have a repressed culture sexually that is the problem ......repression leads to dysfunctonal expression as we are seeing we have to change the attitude around sex..not mandate more morals lol

In another thread I used the analogy of muddy boots as sin. Mankind in his own self importance is more concerned with whose boots are dirtiest, and my mud is not as bad as your mud. While this argument goes on at the doorstep to eternity God is probably shaking His head saying hey guys you all have muddy boots period.

Irish

I do not deny that my boots are a little dirty... But I do look over and watch the foot prints of Christians on my carpet that drag in a heap of mud on the soles and on top of the toes covering and staining my floor (aka mankind).

So... We shouldn't point out the awful staining of the carpet and the amount of cleaning it will take to clean the floor?

Why don't Christians want to clean their boots? It would make the carpet a much cleaner place to walk on.

1)When religion is forced upon people

2)When priests talk to people and tell them that there god or gods are actual FACT instead of talking to people and explaining that they BELIEVE that there god or god's exist.

That is when religion loses credibility.

this would only have meaning if you beleived in the construct of sin to begin with, and a judging diety....i would not chose to see myself as sinful, or choose to see myself as horrible for having muddy boots simply because it would not empower me thus not empowering all others that cross my path...

We all walk a path that helps us grow the best at a level of understanding that works best for each of us, irish who can say your path isn't perfect for you , works for you is suited to you, except for you... and i for one am happy you feel you have a path that helps you be a better guy...
...I feel jesus taught of unity and oneness and what was beneficial to one was benefical to all...I have made no secret that i feel his message is confused in relgion, as Hyper has said many times its based on eastern philosophy in a langauge to help those that couldn't read or write at the time he presented it.....As we can see by this post my understanding influence my beleifs this applys to all of us......am i right are you right??/Who cares what matters is does it help you with who you are trying to be?????? Ones personal truth should be celebrated not judged, or moralized .....

But does it really matter whose shoes are the muddiest when we all have muddy boots, even Christians.

Sheri, we have established the fact here many times that we agree not on religious issues and that is fine. But you keep using the term “construct” that seems to infer that it was made up. As I said the other day according to quantum mechanics time and space are merely constructs themselves, the big question is whose or what’s construct are we talking about, Gods or mans. Perhaps when you use the term construct you could elaborate more.

Irish

not a problem irish, i am implying that all things are a construct including god, man defines god according to his understanding or how he wants him to be, I do not see g0d as anything more than "made up" IMO this is not to say that my opinion should matter except to me, I am attempting to create a friendship with you and part of that is this is sharing a pOv, and i love that you have a path that works for you and i am genuinely interested in it. even though its religious its unique to you i see a common vibe between us we are clear on our path and that it works and seem to enjoy sharing ourselves with our friends here...... ....would you agree????

Yeah... I know what you meant... I'm curious as of why Christians won't clean their boots. I mean, that's what it's all about is love and kindness then show it and denouce the culture of hatred.

Just because your neighbors yard is uncut, doesn't mean you can't cut your own lawn.

Fair enough Sheri I see the barrier clearly now as I communicate almost daily with both you and God I find it hard to understand that one of you is just my own construct. So we shall continue sharing in friendship and knowledge.
Irish

Kratos, I agree that Christians are the most arrogant when it comes down to their own mud. They should remember that they are far from perfect or they would not need Jesus in the first place.
Irish

If homosexuality is a birth trait, where are all the gay retarded people. People who are mentally retarded but prefer same sex partners.

If what the topic says its true doesn't there have to be gay retarded people.

Is there a place for those hopeless sinners who have hurt all mankind to save their own beliefs

- Bob Marley

My gods... How many times does this have to be said to answer a question of proof.

THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE A DAMNED THING!

You can't prove that homosexuality is a choice.
You can't prove that it's genetics.
You can't prove that you are right.
You can't prove that you are wrong.
You can't prove there is a god.
You can't prove there is not a god.
You can't prove evolution.
You can't prove there is no evolution.


There is no such thing as proof for scientific anything. You can only find evidence that creates theories. Yeah sure some guy turned to christianity then discovered women... but sometimes bisexualism kicks in. And because faith is so damned powerfull..

I know guys who are gay and heavily christian... and no matter how hard they tried.. they couldn't even bring themselves to like women. (holy crap one even downright hated girls.. hanging out with him was a trip.. >.<)

So yeah... I do believe what scientific research says when it comes to homosexuality being a genetics thing.

No they can't *prove* it because there will always be researchers out there trying to show evidence that it's not. So it comes down to which research *WE* choose to believe.

Irish the way you see me works for you and in that it works for me, i do enjoy your posts and wisdom irish and will continue to grow and learn from you......

And to that I ask you where are all the heterosexual retarded people?

Mentally retarded people generally do not end up in relationships.

Although, there are homosexual animals.

I think that's very true, religion is all about repressed sexuality. It tries to have people turn off natural feelings that is simply part of being a human. Some treat even attraction as a sin. These things are simply a part of what humans are, and trying to hide them away is simply denial. I have always grown up in a house where sexuality was never even approached or mentioned. I never got "the talk", etc. If a commercial that talked about sexuality came on TV while a parent was in the room, the TV went off. These kinds of things are rediculous because you can't change how you feel as a person. And there's no reason to do so when it comes to sexuality. Religion has created the "sexuality is shameful" type of view that many people have today, I'm not saying that sex should be a casual thing but it doesn't need to be what religion attempts to turn it into.

Just in case anyone is interested, I stumbled across this article a while back. Figured I'd share.
Buddhist Sexual Ethics

(((TeeHee)))

That's precisely why i don't care for the likes of people such as Benny Hinn and others similar to him.

Do gay people pose a threat to anybody? No.

It's discrimination in its most basic form. If the church said that "God intended for black people to be slaves" and it was in the bible...would we enslave them? If the bible said "Women can't vote" would we remove their basic rights?

Maybe there will be a day when we stop bowing to God and start standing above him.

Maybe there will be a day when we stop bowing to God and start standing above him.

Well, that's what the majority of the world does today anyway. And we only need look around to see just how messed up that's made things

Yes... A culture of hatred, repression and ignorance is going to really make the world a better place.

Hmm... let's see.. an entire war being fought because a bunch of fanatics.. on all sides.. is doing the work "of god". Oh yes.. I remember when our oh so beloved president told the world that God told him to do this war.

People are protesting brave soldiers' funerals with their hate... "God hates fags" sound familiar? Those people believe they are doing gods work...

And I seem to remember when christianity was allowed in with the government... there's a reason alot of us pagans fear that... I'd rather not be hung or burned at the stake for being what I am. And let's not forget the messed up world of the inquisition.


Then back to modern times... Don't even get me started on how messed up the middle east is again... God in the government.. what does that get? Women whipped for being raped. Womentreated like property.. and this whole mentality of being right in the eye of god so the world should change to fit them... if not, then they throw tantrums like little kids, only more deadlier.

Sooo.. yeah. The world is not screwed up because of people turning away from god. The world is screwed up because to many people take religion so seriously that they actually are killing for it. Because if someone goes against whatever fanatical view of this god... heads literaly start to roll.

I don't care if someone is gay, I just want to stop hearing about it. Enough already with the parades, what goes on in a person's bedroom is their business, I don't broadcast my actions and am not interested in others actions. If people who are homosexual are normal then they should start acting like its normal. Keep it to yourself.
People who are religious often make the same mistake. They proceed like their religious text gives them mandate to tell others how to live their lives. The good book says judge not lest ye be judged yourself, if you have faith in god this should be your mission statement. Other people's lifestyle should not be your concern, live your life and they will live theirs.
I live in a town of 15,000 people and there are three handicapped couples who live with the help of the assisted living committee. They are all heterosexual.

And while we're on the subject think about this. Some of you have a flawed understanding of the words here. The word "natural" implies that the event would take place without any outside influence, an automatic event if you will. So if it was natural to be homosexual then we would all be homosexual. I think saying it is natural is the wrong word. Just say "its okay" to be homosexual. If we were all homosexual there would be no "we", because there would be no procreation. People who are homosexual do not need to try and legitimize their life choice by using words incorrectly so people will feel differently about them. You are who you are any attempt to make it okay with others is a waste of effort.
And some of the people who are pro homosexuality need to stop being so judgemental themselves. Being a victim of judgemental people doesn't give you the reason to be judgemental yourself. Nothing will ever quite down that way.