This post is targeting skeptics and those that do not know what to beleive.

What would be the minnimum requirments for you to believe that ET's are visiting our planet?

Here are a few examples:

1. Full governmnet disclosure from any one individual nation in the world.
2. A clear sighting of a flying saucer with plenty of time to study it.
3. A visit from a being not of this world.
4. The discovery of reported missing documents that reveal government involvment with ET that could be verified as authentic without a doubt.

Feel free to make up your own requirements. I am just curious to know the extent of evidence neccessary to present the case for ET's visiting.

skeptics want the hardcore evidence, but we all do at the end of the day. Until that time we just have different opinions on what we do have(witneses,photos,videos, documents, radar evidence) but we will never know for sure until something does happen

It would take the same amount of evidence for any other piece of news.

I am not going to believe any random internet source.

I am going to believe a trusted one (BBC etc). If I see it on the news (not an end-of-program novelty story about someone seeing a UFO - I mean a proper "this is happening now and its real" headline), if SETI or the government make a big, official, newsflash-style announcement, I'll believe it.

Until then, not a chance.

Well i want that evidence too, but until then i will look at the good cases(and there are many) and make my own mind up, like i hope everyone does on here.

You know I do.

do i ?? lol we will have to see about that.

I would love to see a UFO land up close and personal and see the alien 'walk/beam' (or whatever they do) out of the thing! I don't think anyone can then say they do not exist...

Well obviously.

In order to be convinced fully, here's what needs to happen:

• All projects, retrievals, technology relative to extraterrestial origins must be declassified & fully available for scientific study by all civilian scientists.
• As a citizen of the US, I'll say this - if its true that our government has successfully kept this secret all this time, I can understand the reasoning behind it; however, I want to hear a full admittance from the military heads since they are the ones most involved.
• Direct contact with an intergalactic civilization would convince me beyond all doubt.

Complete disclosure, nothing less.

All of the above. And other things that people think about on this thread. But what's the use of saying what I think about an issue like this when I know that it's not gonna make any difference and it's never gonna happen.

I'd want hard evidence... let's see the bodies and ship.

The day when they broadcast the "aliens on Earth", as a scientific fact, on every new channel on the planet. When this First contact date is thought in schools all over the world, thats the day when there will be no more doubts, for me.

UFO reality is a scientific fact, after all, scientific investigations into the UFO enigma is what turned heads of former UFO skeptics.

Meeting an alien face to face.

How are UFO's scientific fact when both enthusiasts & skeptics still label them as UFO's? If it were scientific fact, there would be exact intel about the object(s) in question.

• Exact Identification - Vehicle, Transport, Carrier?
• Exact Origin - Where?
• Exact Structural Composition - Mechanical, Organic?
• Exact Chemical Analysis - Molecular Composition?
• Exact Energy Analysis - Power Source?
• Exact Size, Dimensions & Weight
• Exact Propulsion Analysis

With more to follow - if these can be defined, then -Unidentified- would not be the best word to use to describe these objects...If UFO is used to identify the object(s), then it's far from being scientific.

Other than my own UFO experience and those of my compatriots, scientific data evidence collected over the decades strongly points toward the extraterrestrial hypothesis (ETH).

There are lots of data evidence that corroborates eyewitnesses testimony which proves--not just show--but proves beyond any doubt that the UFOs in question reacted intelligently to radar contacts and the typical eyewitness descriptions whose accounts were verified by such radar contacts, are of metallic, saucer-shaped, flying objects with rotating multi-colored strobe lights, which clearly, are descriptions of artificial intelligently controlled flying vehicles exhibiting flight characteristics not found in today's aircraft and advanced technology that mankind is just now beginning to get involved with, technology that has been described for years by many witnesses.

Other shapes have been described as well but the saucer-shaped description is quite common and has been for centuries.

Some evidence is very strong that something with intelligents is flying in our air space. And yes, i consider some of the cases as evidence, Radar, along with witneses to a case is evidence. I have no doubt that something is going on. I f they are aliens or something else, we really dont know 100% but there is just as much chance that they are aliens. People say it would take to long to get here, but i dont buy that. Like i said before. They dont have to break the laws of phisics, but they could bend them, then who knows what they could do.

Ok, the point of this article was just for a humorous chance to point out to each other that nothing we can say to each other will convince the others one way or the other that ET's are or are not here. With the expectations firmly set, the believers can cease all argument and begin projects that will bring about the evidence neccessary to satisfy the non-believers demands. Any further debate can only be viewed as entertainment achieved by debate and argument, (which I certainly enjoy), but it is a parked car as far as taking anyone somewhere.

As Hazzard and Badeskov have pointed out several times, the ball is in our court. If we want them to believe, we just have to find a way to make their list happen.

Further posted topics to follow for farming ideas on how to make this happen, since it is clearly something we will have to do ourselves. We all know the reality of voluntary disclosure or formal contact if we leave it in the hands of the government.

well, we are not going to do that realistically, but there are many cases that are unexplained, which believers and de-bunkers have to debate on.

plus! its fun:)

Just maybe...

The odds against someone finding a way to blow the cover have got to be better than the odds that most people give for other intelligent life in the universe. Since we believe in ET, these odds cannot seem too steep..right???

Maybe those in positions to help are just waiting for the right people and opportunities to leak info to. You know that they can't all be happy hiding a big diry lie this big.

There have been many witnesses come forward who hold high positions in the government, military,nasa etc, it just comes down to believing them. I can understand people not believing them because we all want the hardcore proof. But then sometimes i think would i come forward if i new that the government new about ufos. There must be nothing worse than you knowing this is true 100% but no one believing you, that would piss me off, but at the end of the day thats how it is. Now are these people going to risk there families by saying something that most people would put down to you being an attention seeker, hoaxer, money grabber? i wouldn't!!

That wasn't quite the information that I was hoping to gain from them. More along the lines of names in the higher levels of command in these operations, locations of bases that remain unknown, a better understanding of the technology that we are up against. I think identifying the opponent is the first step. After we know who "they" are, specifically, we can begin pushing an agenda that targets the individuals that are maintaining this coverup. I am not above a few unethical approaches to putting any one of them in very embarresing positions publicly. I have to deal with corporate execs that think they own the world all of the time, but in the end, they are just people like you and me. They react to fear, doubt, and threats just as perdictably as the little man. It is their resources and technology that have so far set them apart in their ability to maintain control. Understanding of their reach would be a great advantage to those trying to end the lie. A sum up of America's declaration of independance stated that when those in power are abusing their station, those who have the ability to do something about it, have the responsibility to do something about it. I'm not talking about some kind of armed revolution or something, just a very firm assertion that we will find a non-violent, semi-legal way to force disclosure.

I hope you liked that "semi-legal"

Yes, this does play on my mind too. Its not just the alien theory that comes into it. Other things, technology wise that might make our lives better in alot of ways. I hate the thought of this technology being hidden from us, just so the governments can use it for primitive means. Hidden bases we know where most of these are(above ground) and there is talk of a moon base, but thats just another theory.

The disclosure project interested me because some of the witnesses were talking about free energy, that would and could sort out major problems on our planet ,was being hidden from the public. This could be because alot of money is made around the world using different energy, so a free energy, would be a no go. Again, this is just a theory and we dont know for sure.

What can we do but try and find the truth out, but its not easy. Alot of genuine people have been ridiculed in some of the cover-up cases. At the end of the day evidence is needed if you want to prove 100% that what you believe is real. I am a believer, but i dont have 100% proof, so i just go with what i know.