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frogfish
If you look at the lecture posted by dark breed, it merely points out common misconceptions and doesn't include many important pieces of factual information.

yes, the earth is NOT a ball of liquid magma. However, it is composed of a semi-liquid mantle, a solid outer core, and a solid inner core thumbsup.gif

The lecturer only chooses graphs that follow his idea, and omits evidence to the contrary.

The Earth is solid thumbsup.gif 9.81 m/s/s
Jeffryw
QUOTE(frogfish @ Nov 26 2006, 06:11 AM) [snapback]1439263[/snapback]

Actually, yes we do. Seismic waves move and different speeds and are refracted when they pass through different layers. Which seismic stations throughout the world, we can effectively and accurately map out the inside of the earth.
Actually yes we do. We would have to delve into the physics of weak forces though.



You are incorrect. As of yet we do NOT know exactly how gravity propogates itself through space. If you think we do then you deserve the nobel prize.

As far as the the iron molten core idea...seismic waves are only INDIRECT evidence of the composition of the earths inner crust. So far as indirect observations are concerned we can not give yes and no answers like you are giving. ANy scientisy knows that.
frogfish
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As of yet we do NOT know exactly how gravity propogates itself through space

But we do know a damn good amount through the idea of weak forces. using that, we can mass the earth.

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As far as the the iron molten core idea...seismic waves are only INDIRECT evidence of the composition of the earths inner crust. So far as indirect observations are concerned we can not give yes and no answers like you are giving. ANy scientisy knows that

No one will ever get direct evidence. So as indirect evidence is the best we have, that's what we should follow. And it all points to an iron core.
fantazum
QUOTE(Jeffryw @ Nov 28 2006, 12:35 AM) [snapback]1441169[/snapback]

You are incorrect. As of yet we do NOT know exactly how gravity propogates itself through space. If you think we do then you deserve the nobel prize.

As far as the the iron molten core idea...seismic waves are only INDIRECT evidence of the composition of the earths inner crust. So far as indirect observations are concerned we can not give yes and no answers like you are giving. ANy scientisy knows that.


Correct. Nobody knows what the core is composed of or whether it is liquid or solid and absolutely nobody can explain how gravity is created.
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE(Cadetak47 @ Nov 28 2006, 12:05 AM) [snapback]1441120[/snapback]

Hollow Earth is just as a much a riduculous concept as Vampires, Aliens, Ghosts, Astral Projection, and God.

One unexplained mystery or paranormal event is just as good as another...there all crack pot theories! Where all crazy!

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At last a voice of sanity
REBEL
WHERE! WHERE!
Jewels1958
QUOTE(McKenna @ Nov 27 2006, 02:47 PM) [snapback]1441009[/snapback]

Oh come on I can't believe you actually believe this crap. rolleyes.gif Where's the alien people if there are civilizations living underground. rolleyes.gif


Obviously by your remarks you never looked at those links. You really should look at things before making statements that have no relevance. It saves you from looking foolish. Those links were of the many vast subway systems, which are civilizations existing underground in a way. wink2.gif
Miracle Alien Girl
QUOTE(Jewels1958 @ Nov 28 2006, 12:09 AM) [snapback]1441656[/snapback]

Obviously by your remarks you never looked at those links. You really should look at things before making statements that have no relevance. It saves you from looking foolish. Those links were of the many vast subway systems, which are civilizations existing underground in a way. wink2.gif


what kind of civilizations are we talking about anyway.
Raptor
QUOTE(McKenna @ Nov 27 2006, 10:47 PM) [snapback]1441009[/snapback]

Oh come on I can't believe you actually believe this crap. rolleyes.gif Where's the alien people if there are civilizations living underground. rolleyes.gif

what kind of civilizations are we talking about anyway.


If you clicked any one of the links in the post you originally replied to, you'd know. You should make sure you at least have a vague idea of what you're replying to if you're going to be condescending.

QUOTE(Jeffryw @ Nov 28 2006, 12:35 AM) [snapback]1441169[/snapback]

You are incorrect. As of yet we do NOT know exactly how gravity propogates itself through space. If you think we do then you deserve the nobel prize.

As far as the the iron molten core idea...seismic waves are only INDIRECT evidence of the composition of the earths inner crust. So far as indirect observations are concerned we can not give yes and no answers like you are giving. ANy scientisy knows that.


Even if it is only indirect evidence it's all we have to go by. Anyway, I don't see any evidence supporting the hollow Earth model at all, indirect or otherwise.
crystal sage
QUOTE(McKenna @ Nov 29 2006, 01:52 AM) [snapback]1441896[/snapback]

what kind of civilizations are we talking about anyway.


http://www.opalmine.com/opal-mines-2.php

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Green_Home_...ound_In_Tunisia


ROMAN CLEVERNESS

The remains of Bulla Regia, which was a rich Roman town during the early years of the Christian era, can be found in the green Tell (coastal) region ... close to the Algerian border. Back in the days of Rome's "bread and circuses", this African province supplied much of the wheat used to make the storied Latin loaves. In fact, Roman colonists (usually they were military veterans) who settled in the fertile Medjerda River basin often grew rich in the grain trade, and the exquisite underground villas that their wealth allowed them to construct are now unique tourist attractions.

The transplanted Romans, who loved beauty and comfort — but not African summers — faced a dilemma: The same sun that ripened their grain caused them great discomfort. They remembered, however, that country houses in the hotter sections of Italy had long incorporated earth-covered "summer bedrooms", and the colonists simply carried the homeland idea a step further . . . by designing entire warm-weather houses underneath their aboveground winter dwellings.

By placing their summer quarters below the earth's surface, the ancient innovators were able to take advantage of the insulation provided by the surrounding soil .. . and, by directing air through vents in the cooling earth, they made the homes more comfortable still. (The combination resulted in a natural air conditioning system with no mechanical parts to break down and no power bills!)

But mere shelter from the heat wasn't enough to satisfy members of such a highly civilized culture, so the Romans added aesthetic touches: columns, pools, fountains, arches, wall paintings, and mosaics. In short, the softly lighted underground homes became showplaces in which provincial wheat farmers spent the hot seasons in comfort, surrounded by beauty.

Furthermore, it's still possible to judge just how comfortable the ancient homeowners were, although almost 2,000 years have passed. Not long ago — on an afternoon when only an occasional palm raised a browned and feathery frond above the parched countryside, and heifers tried to find sleep in the shade of ancient walls — a native guide led my tour group down the stairs to such an underground villa. Maybe the Latins would have sighed, " Ah, refrigeratio! " upon entering . . . but we exclaimed, "What a relief!" The temperature was at least 20 degrees cooler than that of the outside air!
THREE BASIC FLOOR PLANS

Interestingly enough, most of Caesar's subjects who settled in Bulla Regia used one of three basic floor plans: [1] a vestibule running along three contiguous main rooms whose rear windows opened — in common — onto a large, deep air shaft, [2] a central courtyard, or peristyle, surrounded by rooms that had aboveground windows and openings in their ceilings, and [3] a hallway with shallow rooms on either side that incorporated windows set high in the upper walls. (The basement dwellings, though often smaller than those on the surface, frequently duplicated portions of the structures' ground-level floor plans.)
PLAN NUMBER ONE

The "House of Amphitrite" is a large version of the first design. (In addition to the three main rooms, it has two tiny chambers situated across the vestibule.) This residence, the floor of which is almost 17 feet below ground level, still retains some stucco wall panels and mosaics.

The inlaid lobby floor — picturing a female face framed by a leafy border — is in a state of excellent preservation, and visitors can still see where a marble fountain was once embedded in a nearby wall. The large central dining room has two columns facing the entryway, a vaulted ceiling, and a pastel floor mosaic portraying the "Triumph of the Marine Venus". (Years ago, an erroneous identification of the pictured goddess as Amphitrite, wife of Neptune, gave the house its name.)
PLAN NUMBER TWO

A dwelling known as the "Hunting Palace" is typical of Plan Two. Below the spacious courtyard (almost 27 by 32 feet) on the main floor, eight 16-foot-high Corinthian columns support the ground-level ceiling ... which is pierced with hexagonal openings to serve as air and light sources for the underground peristyle.

The rooms open to the north and west. Three bays, which are separated by two large columns, give access to a large dining room, whose decorated floor covers a circular storage cistern more than four feet in diameter. Baked earthen pipes in the ridged molding of the arched ceiling empty into the reservoir.

Simple mosaics and raised platforms indicate the one-time placement of beds in three sleeping chambers, which are copies of those upstairs. (Most of the rooms are rectangular, with two ceiling holes apiece to admit light and air.)
PLAN NUMBER THREE

One good example of the third floor plan is the "House of the Peacock". Fourteen steps descend about ten feet . . . to a passageway with rooms on both sides. The first chamber to the left is a sleeping room: It was identified as such on the basis of the bed platform against the back wall. The large room to the right opens — on the south side — to a smaller chamber which has an apse with an almost effaced peacock mosaic.

(Across the road from "the Peacock" is another interesting Plan-Three house. Its ingenious owner simply transformed two pre-existing deep cisterns into rooms when the family decided to "move down".)
ESCAPE IN THE DESERT

But northwest Tunisia isn't the only place in the nation that's known for underground living. In the hills of the great desert that lies to the south, some 12,000 Berbers live in the earth .. . 3,000 in the town of Matmata alone. This barren terrain looks like Star Wars country, and — in fact — the "props" left here and there are reminders that movie cameras once recorded space fantasies in this desert.

Evidence of day-to-day life is usually first seen in the form of smoke escaping from the holes that pock the "lunar" land scape. The Berbers' dwellings are located around bowl-shaped depressions, perhaps 33 feet in diameter by 20 to 25 feet in depth. Families escape the elements in rooms carved into the rims of the craters: small cocoons in the rock — reached by descending stairs or ramps — which are cool in hot weather and warm in chilly times.

The tattooed Berber women are proud of their homes. Whitewashed walls and earthen floors, kept tidy by repeated scrubbings and sweepings, take the place of the ancient Romans' mosaics and marble . . . and the result is clean, cool, and inexpensive housing.
UNDERGROUND HOTELS

Tourists can even sample subsoil living themselves . . . in Matmata's two "crater" hotels. I recommend the Sidi Driss, which has 27 rooms — some with baths — connected by tunnels. Guests can sip tea in an enclosure ringed with white and ocher walls, and retire to pleasant chambers that are cooled by air flowing from the courtyard and corridors.

Underground housing may be part of a dreamed-about future for many of us, but in North African Tunisia it's a part of the past . . . and the present!


http://www.swisseduc.ch/stromboli/perm/turkey/homes-en.html


http://www.sustainablebuild.co.uk/Construc...nderground.html

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Alternative..._to_Earth_Homes
http://www.nycsubway.org/articles/subwaysouvenir.html
crystal sage
Tunnels


611 Walker
The Bob Lanier Public Works Building at 611 Walker provides one entrance into the downtown Tunnel System

In a city of two million people, you would think our downtown streets would be filled with pedestrians during the lunch hour.

Well, that's true, but most of them are walking underground, in the downtown Tunnel System.

The downtown Tunnel System is an interconnected series of restaurants, shops, etc. servicing all those who wish to avoid the characteristic Houston weather, while walking around in air conditioned comfort over the course of several miles.

Access to the Tunnel System is normally on weekdays, from 6:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.

http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide-2744...walks_houston-i






http://www.nusantaratunnel.co.id/versi01/m...hp?inc=abstract



In this report, an underground tunnel constructed at least 40 meters down under the seabed is proposed to link Java and Sumatra island. This tunnel is designed to move electrical car train that board passengers, cars, busses, trucks, trailers, and combination trucks. The less capital investment and better system safety both for passengers and cargo as well as virtually no need of ventilation system compared to the one of highway tunnel are among the bases for underground tunnel selection. In addition to move electric car train, the Sunda strait tunnel will be used to accommodate oil and gas, coal slurry, extra high power transmission, and telecommunication lines as to make the tunnel multi purpose. Regional development in the Province of Lampung and Banten will also be carried out. University campus, recreational facilities, rest and resort areas, golf and entertainment, housing complex, terminal and mall will be constructed. Other important infrastructure facilities such as depots for oil and gas, telecommunication, rolling stock, coal slurry pumping station, and switchyard will also be built. The regional development will consider the existing setting of land use and operational facilities. In that way the Sunda strait tunnel system will synergies the regional development and will generate the economy in the java and Sumatra island to a level never imagine previously. In the long run Sunda strait tunnel system is hoped to be an integrated part of an uninterrupted railway from Thailand in the north to Bali island in the south.

The Sunda strait tunnel as proposed in this report constitutes of twin tunnel 31.1 km long that will be constructed in the two phases. Each tunnel has 7.00 meter average diameter and contains two way one lane electric car train with maximum traffic capacity of 15,000 passengers car per day. The first phase of the tunnel will cost approximately US$ 1.5 billion for the capital investment and US$ 56.5 billion for maintenance,






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and.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_city
crystal sage
Welcome to Wiltshire’s Secret Underground City… the 35 acre subterranean Cold War City that lies 100 feet beneath Corsham.

Built in the late 50s this massive city complex was designed to safely house up to 4,000 central Government personnel in the event of a nuclear strike.

In a former Bath stone quarry the city, code named Burlington, was to be the site of the main Emergency Government War Headquarters - the hub of the Country’s alternative seat of power outside London.

Over 60 miles of Roads
Burlington Nuclear Bunker at Corsham - Site 3
The Telephone Exchange

Over a kilometre in length, and boasting over 60 miles of roads, the underground site was designed not only to accommodate the than Conservative Prime Minister, Harold MacMillan, but the entire Cabinet Office, civil servants and an army of domestic support staff.

The site was so top secret that many of the civil servants, who had been allocated a desk at Burlington, had no knowledge of it.

Blast proof and completely self-sufficient the secret underground site could accommodate up to 4,000 people, in complete isolation from the outside world, for up to three months.

Although never actually used, the New York grid-style city of roads and avenues was equipped with all the facilities needed to survive. From underground hospitals, canteens, kitchens and laundries to storerooms of supplies, accommodation areas and offices.

An Underground Lake

An underground lake and treatment plant could provide all the drinking water needed whilst 12 huge tanks could store the fuel required to keep the four massive generators, in the underground power station, running for up to three months. And unlike most urban cities, above ground, the air within the complex could also be kept at a constant humidity and heated to around 20 degrees.
Burlington Nuclear Bunker at Corsham - Site 3
A ward in the hospital

The city was also equipped with the second largest telephone exchange in Britain, a BBC studio from which the PM could address the nation and an internal Lamson Tube system that could relay messages, using compressed air, throughout the complex.

For 30 years Burlington was in operation but at the end of the Cold War, in 1991, the still un-used city complex was finally taken over by the MOD and kept on standby in case of future nuclear threats to the UK.

But last December, with the underground reservoir drained, emptied of fuel and supplies and with a skeleton staff of just four, the site was finally decommissioned…
crystal sage
Formed by the junction of two rivers, the heavily forested Iron Triangle area contained a vast tunnel complex containing 50 square miles of barracks, supply dumps, hospitals, armories, weapons factories, kitchens, air-raid shelters, classrooms, conference centers, graveyards, printing presses, factories and even holding pens for water buffalo.

Children were born there, educated there and died there, fighting the Americans and the South Vietnamese army.

The tunnels twisted and turned through the dense clay to confuse intruders and minimize the effects of explosives or gas. Entered by hidden trap doors, they extended down four levels, and tiny air shafts constructed of long bamboo pipes extending to the surface ventilated the complex.

VC guerrillas spent their days safely underground, emerging at night to attack U.S. and South Vietnamese troops, often camped right on top of them.

''Our fighters could hear the Americans having their meals and talking,'' So said. ''Our fighters could fire a shot and be gone before the Americans knew anything.''

Many of the tunnels finally were destroyed by B-52s dropping huge bombs that burrowed deep before their time delay fuses set them off. But several sections have been renovated and are a popular tourist stop.

The response of a lightly armed peasant army to the firepower of first the French and then the Americans, the tunnels were begun in 1945 and used mostly for communication and to avoid French troops.


http://www.cincypost.com/news/2000/viet042600.html
crystal sage
n elaborate network of secret tunnels and passages beneath Hertford, the ancient county town of Hertfordshire. These revelations are restoring Hertfordshire to its rightful place in Templar legend, and literally put Hertford on the map in the Quest for the Holy Grail, and there is more to come.


Local historians were aware of only one part of the network which was mapped in a document on public record dated 1898. The newspaper details numerous tunnels, many of which were blocked during the last century, and shows photographs of two other entrances. The existence, extent and purpose of the tunnels were leaked to a journalist by members of a mysterious secret society in the area said to be related to the Knights Templar and the Illuminati.
Knights Templar sword - Knights Templar dagger - Knights Templar history

Members of the Knights Templar, a secret society which still has members in the town, have spoken for the first time about the underground lair used by their forebears almost 1,000 years ago. Emanating from the dungeons of Hertford Castle and from Fore Street, the passages run like a warren under the ancient county town and stretch from Bluecoats to County Hall, according to the group. Today, many of the entrances to the subterranean

passages’ have been bricked up but, according to the modern-day knights, some are still in use &emdash; and may even be booby-trapped.
AT a secret location in the town, Tim Acheson declared: “We are now prepared to reveal a secret we feel the people of Hertford should be made aware of. There is an extensive labyrinth right under their feet.
“We are talking here about a largely unknown, indeed mostly secret, ancient underground network that stretches beneath the town’s main street and extends to Fore Street, Market Square, Parliament



[url=http://castlepictures.com/knights-manor.shtml]http://castlepictures.com/knights-manor
.shtml[/url]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Underground

http://www.seattletravel.com/seattleundergroundtour.html




frogfish
Oh, we have catacombs and tunnels, subways and caves. That doesn't mean the earth is hollow thumbsup.gif

The basement of my home goes below the earth. Is that proof the earth is hollow? No.
darkbreed
Interesting stuff Crystal Sage. I am personally these days in Brazil to do some research on various matters, one of the things I will look into is a place where its rumored there are huge underground tunnel systems leading all the way to macchu piccu , peru. I will also be leading a quest to find a lost city of the Amazon, where its also rumored there are deep underground cavern systems around in the area.
crystal sage
QUOTE(frogfish @ Nov 29 2006, 10:00 AM) [snapback]1442557[/snapback]

Oh, we have catacombs and tunnels, subways and caves. That doesn't mean the earth is hollow thumbsup.gif

The basement of my home goes below the earth. Is that proof the earth is hollow? No.




I don't quite know if the earth is hollow...but there's enough evidence about it to make me think that there is a possibility... I do believe that there are many thousands of people? etc...living underground......that there are many levels of occupation...some quite unaware of the others...going to depths of many miles....
Trippin
QUOTE(darkbreed @ Nov 28 2006, 11:22 PM) [snapback]1442589[/snapback]

Interesting stuff Crystal Sage. I am personally these days in Brazil to do some research on various matters, one of the things I will look into is a place where its rumored there are huge underground tunnel systems leading all the way to macchu piccu , peru. I will also be leading a quest to find a lost city of the Amazon, where its also rumored there are deep underground cavern systems around in the area.


I have done extensive studies on the supposed Amazonian tunnel systems and find them fascinating. What lost city were you referring to, since there are many.
crystal sage
QUOTE(Trippin @ Nov 29 2006, 02:22 PM) [snapback]1442864[/snapback]

I have done extensive studies on the supposed Amazonian tunnel systems and find them fascinating. What lost city were you referring to, since there are many.



Have you explored them physically????


Found this interesting article.....

"Order of The Labyrinth" by Rami Sajdi "The Order of the Labyrinth" is a specific secret society which has existed in various forms for the last 25,000 years. In its latter period, this Order built the many labyrinths and catacombs that roam beneath the cathedrals, monetaries, druidic mounds, and other ancient ruins interconnecting a network of passages and chambers. Such gridworks are beneath the sacred structures of every land mass of our world. The other function of the chambers were ritualistic in nature but based upon scientific laws and knowledge of the forces of the universe. The 'Khazneh Acoustical Design' - are the inner chambers for a resonating field of consciousness that was brought closer to the surface of our world for the purpose of inviting our participation, however subtle, in the act of receiving from the living Earth.


http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/text/dnew22x.htm
crystal sage
ust beneath the southern tip of Italy, in the extreme western part of the Mediterranean sea, lies the island of Malta. In the past Malta has been the possession of many nationalities, and has been considered to be one of the most strategic areas on earth, being a port and an intersecting point between Europe, Asia, the Middle East, and Africa, etc. This 9-mile-long island was an ancient center of civilization at the time when the Phoenicians from Carthage invaded and began to rule it.



When a group of ancient priests who worshipped the "god" Moloch (another name for Baal, Osiris, or Nimrod - considered by the ancients to be the "sun god") visited the island in Old Testament times, the islanders readily accepted their teachings, including that of offering up human sacrifices to appease their "god" Moloch, for the ancient Maltese themselves practiced human blood sacrifice to the "gods" of the underworld which were believed to exist beneath the island and elsewhere, so-called deities which were often identified with "serpents". When the Apostle Paul visited the island as recorded in the book of ACTS chapter 28, he learned of their superstitious beliefs concerning serpents after he had been bitten by one of the beasts on the island (at the time called Melita) and survived by the power of the risen Jesus - a god which the Maltese knew nothing about until Paul’s fateful visit.


Since the time of the Carthagians, Malta has had many rulers--Romans, Arabs, Normans, Argonese, Castillians, the Hospitalers or the Order of St. John of Jerusalem, later known as the Knights of Rhodes, and still later as the Knights of Malta, who remain there to this day, having duel headquarters in Rome. A few miles south of the town of Valletta, Malta, is the small village of Casal Paula. In the year 1902, workmen who were digging a well literally fell into the earth. What they discovered (or rather re-discovered) was a series of ancient caves, mostly excavated out of solid rock, which descended into the earth and into three lower levels below. These multi-leveled catacombs became known as the "Hypogeum of Hal Saflienti", named after the street beneath which they were discovered. A hypogeum is the Latin name for an underground structure.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_malta02.htm
crystal sage
This, according to certain sources, was the subterranean passage and chamber which was referred to years ago in an article which appeared in the August, 1940 issue of the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC Magazine. The article stated the following concerning several people who disappeared in these catacombs without a trace:

"Many subterranean passageways, including ancient catacombs, now are a part of the island’s fortifications and defense system. Supplies are kept in many tunnels; others are bomb shelters. Beneath Valletta some of the underground areas served as homes for the poor. Prehistoric men built temples and chambers in these vaults. In a pit beside one sacrificial altar lie thousands of human skeletons. Years ago one could walk underground from one end of Malta to the other. The Government closed the entrances to these tunnels after school children and their teachers became lost in the labyrinth while on a study tour and never returned."

The story goes much "deeper" however, than the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC article indicates. Other sources say that ABOUT 30 CHILDREN vanished in these catacombs on the study tour, and that when the "Hypogeum" was first discovered nearly 30,000 human skeletons of men, women and children (victims of ancient sacrifice to the "underworld gods", performed by an old neolithic race) were discovered as well.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_malta02.htm
crystal sage
As for the Catacombs beneath Malta itself, there are some ancient accounts which say that deep caverns beneath the island continue underground BEYOND the shores, and according to one source [i.e. the ever elusive "Commander-X"], part of this labyrinth stretches hundreds of miles northwards and intersects with catacombs beneath Rome (the hill Vaticanus?) or at least did so in ancient times...
Hollywood Hughes
This theory does fascinate me alot. I'm on the fence as to whether it's true or not. I'd say no if I was forced to choose, but hey, does wonders for the imagination original.gif
Trippin
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Nov 29 2006, 10:50 AM) [snapback]1443160[/snapback]

Have you explored them physically????




No I have not, but I have compiled an array of archival and historical evidence to support them.
crystal sage
QUOTE(Trippin @ Nov 30 2006, 08:35 AM) [snapback]1443847[/snapback]

No I have not, but I have compiled an array of archival and historical evidence to support them.


cool.gif Ahhh! just imagine having the funds ...and all the necessary qualifications..and connections...that gets you entry to all these places.. wonders..puzzles of the earth...

It's only a matter of time...we have the technology now to find most of these underground passsage ways..plus access to more old documents than ever before to get more clues on to where to search.... exciting times!!!

I gather the public and governments are more lenient in general about disclosures..and sharing knowledge... and with what's been hinted at...etc... no one will be all that shocked by anything that gets uncovered these days... except some of the older scholars...and the fact that they'd have to update all the school books...and teachers have to keep track with all the revisions of knowledge....
Ariél Vigée-Lebrun
Hollow Earth?, Is there a world beneath our feet?

I think, there is..

Ever heard about a geological group who drilled a hole about 14.4 kilometers deep in the crust of the earth? Well, they found something.. and it's really shocking!!

>>http://www.amightywind.com/hell/aboutsounds.htm << you can listen to whatever they've found here..
cerberusxp
A long time ago von danikan wrote that under some pyrimids in mexico and south america were tunnels large enough for two semi trucks to pass each other. He said some of the tunnels go as far as san francisco before being caved in and one that goes into ocean near san diego. Also He said these tunnels where cut with laser like precesion.
darkbreed
Sure is a lot of facinating stuff about our Earth. Hollow or not, there is still enough cavern systems etc to check out that can house a lot of interesting things.
crystal sage
QUOTE(cerberusxp @ Nov 30 2006, 04:00 PM) [snapback]1444354[/snapback]

A long time ago von danikan wrote that under some pyrimids in mexico and south america were tunnels large enough for two semi trucks to pass each other. He said some of the tunnels go as far as san francisco before being caved in and one that goes into ocean near san diego. Also He said these tunnels where cut with laser like precesion.



I'd probably say that whatever technology they had in those building the of pyramids days...would have been sufficient technology to build those huge underground tunnels...

http://towers-online.co.uk/pages/shafted2.htm


Then just looking at those tunnels we are willing to acknowledge... those huge Qanats ( water irrigation systems )of the ancient days... http://www.boloji.com/environment/33.htm


some dating back 6 thousand years or more....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat
crystal sage
In the Sahara, they're called foggara, and considered a romantic mystery. They were made by men--but which men, and when, has been forgotten by the Berber Arabs of north Africa; this is a piece of their history which they have lost. Their origin is unknown. And yet the foggara still exist, they still do the work they were made to do. All lie underground. They all run downhill. Some lie several hundred feet beneath the sand dunes, and some run several hundred miles from source to outlet. Others are only a few feet down, and some have undoubtedly fallen into ruin, and been swallowed up by the desert. They are all very old, certainly.

They are rivers, but artificial ones.

They are buried watercourses crossing the desert.

In Berber Arabic, the word for them is foggara; in Turkish, qanat; in Persian, qarez. In the Sahara, they're a mystery. But they can be found elsewhere, spread across a vast portion of inner Asia: in Iran, in Iraq, in Turkey, in Afghanistan and the USSR, and in Sinkiang province of China. They're a piece of ancient technology still being used today. They probably came before aqueducts, and have certainly outlasted them, but their purpose is exactly the same: to carry water.


avs76
Hollow Earth Theory really excites me. What doesn't excite me is how nasty and spiteful the naysayers are to this topic. If you don't want to discuss this topic civilly, then don't participate in it.

I don't believe that our planet is totally hollow, but there are many tales to support the idea that there are extensive caves and caverns underground. Extensive enough to house a civilisation of humans or other intelligent beings? Who knows.

There are many myths and legends of strange creatures who dwell beneath the Earth's surface. These often refer to some kind of lizard people. I have read that there are main entrances to the underground system at the poles. whiling researching this topic through Wikipedia, I came across this:

The New Swabia Expedition to Antarctica in 1938-1939 reported the discovery by air of hot springs with vegetation in some areas of the so-called Schirmacher Oasis which now hosts Maitri station. The place was named after captain Schirmacher, who conducted the flight during which the freshwater lakes were discovered shortly before the Schwabenland's return to Germany.

I don't know what to make of that. There is so much we don't yet know. There are tales of temperate climates supporting suitable flora and fauna north of the arctic circle. There is even a planned expedition the travel to the far north and explore the region.

I may be really naive and gullibe, but at least I am open to possibilities.

recon_soldier
QUOTE(Gmac1000 @ Nov 25 2006, 05:31 PM) [snapback]1438433[/snapback]

It has been explored and never released.....Hitler had a huge fascination with middle earth and sent around 2000 scientists an other selected members which never returned or had their bodies recovered.....



These people were hunted down by US Soldiers at the locale they were sent too.
SupermanPJ4444
There are massive caverns, underground lakes, etc...

But the idea that the whole earth is hollow is a lil out there
recon_soldier
QUOTE(SupermanPJ4444 @ Dec 4 2006, 09:39 AM) [snapback]1448777[/snapback]

There are massive caverns, underground lakes, etc...

But the idea that the whole earth is hollow is a lil out there


I pretty much agree with you, the way that those images depict a Hollow earth is...well..highly irregular, that would mean that there is a centre of gravity inbetween the two 'sides' ...to be plausible

i may be wrong.
i have no problem with being wrong tongue.gif
crystal sage
QUOTE(recon_soldier @ Dec 4 2006, 02:00 PM) [snapback]1448884[/snapback]

I pretty much agree with you, the way that those images depict a Hollow earth is...well..highly irregular, that would mean that there is a centre of gravity inbetween the two 'sides' ...to be plausible

i may be wrong.
i have no problem with being wrong tongue.gif




http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/trop/trop.htm

Observations by north polar explorers indicate that there is indeed a land in the far north with a subtropical climate heated by a sister sun inside Our Hollow Earth. For example, Explorer's reports of abundant animal and bird life in the summer time in the far north indicates a homeland in the north from which they extend in the summer further south and to which they are seen to migrate in the fall.

Explorer Hays observed abundant insect life in the far north. When he was in latitude 78 degrees, 17 minutes in early July he said, "I secured a yellow-winged butterfly, and--who would believe it--a mosquito...ten moths, three spiders, two bees and two flies." (The Open Polar Sea, p. 413)

Notice the element of surprise that many explorers expressed resulting from the discovery of conditions which they weren't expecting.

Explorer Greely, in his book, THREE YEARS OF ARCTIC SERVICE, in Grinnell Land in June of 1881, reports birds of an unknown species, butterflies, bumblebees, so many flies they couldn't sleep at night, and temperatures of 47 and 50 degrees at latitude 81 degrees 49 minutes north. He also found plenty willow to make fire, and much driftwood, (Chapter 26, Vol. I)

A swedish expedition under Otto Torell, found near Trurenberg Bay in the Arctic Sea, trees floating with green buds on them and among them was found the seed of the tropical Entada Bean which measured 2.25 inches across. (Gardner, p. 253)

Explorer Sverdrup at 81 degrees north found so many hares that they named one inlet, Hare Fiord. Also nearly all expedition parties found enough game to keep their exploring parties well fed with meat. These included herds of musk-oxen and reindeer. (Gardner p. 254)

Captain Beechey saw so many birds on the west coast of Spitzbergen that sometimes a single shot killed thirty of them. (Gardner p. 254)

All explorers observed that not all animals migrate south to escape the cold Arctic winds in winter, but many instead go north. Where do they go? Greely, surprised at the tremendous amount of wildlife in a supposed frozen north wrote, "Surely this presence of birds and flowers and beasts was a greeting on nature's part to our new home."

Explorer Kane reported seeing several groups of Brent Geese, which is an American migratory bird, flying NORTHEAST in their wedge-shaped line of flight at 80 degrees 50' north at Cape Jackson, near Grinnelland in late June 1854.

Explorer Greely makes this statement of the northward migration of bears, "Lieutenant Lockwood, in May, 1882, noticed bear tracks (going NORTHEAST) on the north coast of Greenland, near Cape Benet in 83 degrees 3' N.," and commented, "...I cannot understand why the bear ever leaves the rich hunting-field of the 'North Water' for the desolate shores of the northward." (THREE YEARS, p. 366)

Greely also wrote about the Ross Gull, "...the observations of Murdoch at Point Barrow show that this bird, in thousands, passes over that point to the NORTHEAST in October, none of which were seen to return." (THREE YEARS, p. 383)

Explorer Adolf Erick Nordenskiold, leader of a Swedish expedition, recorded in THE ARCTIC VOYAGE OF 1858-1878, that on May 23, they saw north of Amsterdam Island (by Spitzbergen), "great numbers of barnacle geese...flying towards the NORTHWEST, perhaps to some land more northerly than Spitzbergen. (There is no such land on our present-day maps) The existence of such a land," wrote Nordenskiold, "is considered quite certain by the walrus-hunters, who state that at the most northerly point hitherto reached, such flocks of birds are seen steering their course in rapid flight yet farther toward the north." (Gardner, p. 160)

Daines Barrington, in his book, ON THE POSSIBILITY OF APPROACHING THE NORTH POLE, wrote that observers in Spitzbergen have always noticed in spring, just before the hatching season, the wild ducks, geese, and other birds, fly in a northerly direction. There is also a heavy fall migration to the north.

In HEARNES JOURNAL, is told of observations around Hudson's Bay by Hearne of ten species of geese, particularly the snow goose, blue goose, brent goose, horned wavy goose, lay their eggs and raise their young in some country which to Hearne was unknown. Explorers, Indians and Eskimos could never tell where these fowl bred and it was well known that they never migrated to the south.

Epes Sargent in his WONDERS OF THE ARCTIC WORLD tells that Franklin's second expedition saw large numbers of laughing geese migrating to the unknown north--sure indication of land to the north. And this was observed on the north coast of Canada latitude 69 degrees 29" N., longitude 130 degrees 19 minutes W., on July 13. (Sargent, p. 163).

Newton in his ARCTIC MANUAL, wrote as follows concerning the migrations of the Knot, "The knot...in the spring seeks our island (England) in immense flocks, and after remaining on the coast for about a fortnight, can be traced proceeding gradually northwards, until finally, it takes leave of us. It has been noticed in Iceland and Greenland, but not to stay; the summer there would be too rigorous for its liking, and it goes further and further north. Whither? Where does it build its nest and hatch its young? We loose all trace of it for some weeks. What becomes of it?"

"Toward the end of summer back it comes to us in larger flocks than before, and both old birds and young birds remain upon our coasts until November, or, in mild seasons even later. Then it wings its flight to the south, and luxuriates in blue skies and balmy airs until the following spring, then it resumes the order of its migration." (Gardner pp. 259-260) Surely these migrations indicate a land further north than Greenland and Spitzbergen with an ideal climate for the breeding grounds of these migratory birds and animals.

Many explorers noticed a rise in temperature the farther north they went. For example, Nansen reported that a northwind in the winter is warmer than a south wind. On Jan. 18, 1894 at 79 degrees N., Nansen wrote, "It is curious that there is almost always a rise of thermometer with these stronger winds...A south wind of less velocity generally lowers the temperature, and a moderate north wind RAISES it." (FARTHEST NORTH, Vol. I, p. 197) Two months later on March 4th, Nansen also wrote, "It is curious that now the northerly winds bring cold and the southerly warmth. Earlier in the winter IT WAS JUST THE OPPOSITE." This obviously indicates the existence of a warmer land toward the north from which the warm wind blows in the winter.

In Roald Amundsen's FIRST CROSSING OF THE POLAR SEA, by dirigible, May 12, 1926, this rise in temperature toward the pole was also recorded. Upon leaving Spitzbergen the temperature was minus 8 degrees centigrade. Then the temperature at the altitude of flight sank steadily from 5 degrees below freezing over King's Bay to 12 degrees below zero on 88 degrees north on the European side of the pole. FROM THIS PLACE IT BEGAN TO RISE SLOWLY. The temperature at the pole was 2 degrees below zero. That is an increase of 10 degrees! (FIRST CROSSING, p. 230)

In the soviet flight of Mikhail Gromov, of the Soviet Air Force, in an article titled, "Across the North Pole to America," he recorded a similar increase of temperature at the pole. Flying above Franz Josef Land at 13,000 feet, the temperature was minus 16 degrees Centigrade. But at the pole at 8,850 feet the temperature was recorded at minus 8 degrees C--an 8 degree increase in temperature. Both Amundsen and Gromov changed direction after calculating with the sextant that they were at the pole.

It must be understood that when explorers say they have reached the pole, that this means that they have reached a point on the curvature of the earth in the Arctic or Antarctic where the angle of the sun over the horizon on their sextant readings indicates that they are farthest north for the north pole or farthest south for the south pole. Since it is difficult for explorers to measure distances in the Arctic or Antarctic directly, distances were measured by determining the latitude with the sextant. Explorers would travel a certain distance north, for example, take a reading with the sextant and based on that reading and the distance to the pole as shown on a map, they then calculated how many miles they had traveled.

Today, however, with the advent of navigational satellites, geographic determination of location is determined with the GPS, the Global Positioning System. With hand-held devices, anyone can receive the satellite signals from the GPS to determine their latitude and longitude. With overflights of the poles and submarines criss-crossing the Arctic, one would rightly wonder why the polar openings haven't been openly discovered and published to the world. Certainly such a discovery must world-shaking, mind shattering, and revolutionary to our sciences. Our physics books would have to be re-written. Certainly the poles have been attained. Which strongly suggests that any polar openings would have to be located to one side or other of the poles. Such discovery, however, is still World Top Secret.

Still, however strangely it might seem, there are indications that the polar openings do exist! Another evidence of the polar openings is found in the surprised comments of explorers upon finding the fog conditions at the poles. The May 1926, Amundsen dirigible expedition noted that from Spitzbergen, "For more than eleven hours we flew in brilliant sunshine. On 87 degrees latitude we met with fog, which, however, soon disappeared. Between 88 degrees and 89 degrees latitude we came into a new belt of fog. The fog lay, however, so low that we could fly over it by rising to 7,000 meters altitude."

From our theory, we obtain a ready answer concerning the origin of these belts of fog--they come as result of the warm moist air currents issuing from the polar opening, which as they meet the lower cold air next to the ice, condense into fog.

Continuing, Malmgren wrote, "At the Pole itself the fog thinned. The weather, as if for the occasion, at this longed-for spot on the earth's surface, can be described in a few words. The sky for the most part was covered with stratocumulus and altocumulus clouds. There was a complete cessation of wind. The temperature at about 300 meters altitude was 2 degrees below zero. From the pole we set our course towards Point Barrow. The journey from the Pole was, at the beginning, favored with good visibility, but between 86 and 85 degrees latitude we met with continuous fog." And notice was made of "...the temperature in the layer of air nearest the ice was from 3-4 degrees lower than that higher up..."

Commenting on this phenomenon, Malmgren, Amundsen's meteorologist on the expedition wrote, "One of the problems that the expedition has brought to life refers to the polar fog. Why is it that over the monotonous plain which is formed by the polar sea there occur regions, close to one another, with and without fog, often without any changes in atmospheric temperature being observable? Are the lowermost air-layers so conservative that they can still, in the polar sea, retain memories from their more southerly existence? Or is the phenomenon due--which, however, appears incredible--to the variations in the heat development between the air and the underlying ice?" (FIRST CROSSING OF THE POLAR SEA, pp. 272, 280, 281) Notice how Malmgren is puzzled by the temperature difference of the different layers of air suggesting currents from a more southerly or warmer climate.



http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowland...3/under012.html


thumbsup.gif Note there are also similar fogs and icecaps on Mars!!!!


http://learn.arc.nasa.gov/planets/index.html


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http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0003/ET25-5743.html


http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0002/ET04-5405.html
Lion of Judah
Hitler and the 3rd reich believed in a hollow Earth a place where people live
pinkgrapefruit
QUOTE(Lion of Judah @ Dec 4 2006, 03:50 PM) [snapback]1449497[/snapback]

Hitler and the 3rd reich believed in a hollow Earth a place where people live

Your point..?
avs76
QUOTE(crystal sage @ Dec 4 2006, 08:29 PM) [snapback]1449224[/snapback]

http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/trop/trop.htm

Observations by north polar explorers indicate that there is indeed a land in the far north with a subtropical climate heated by a sister sun inside Our Hollow Earth. For example, Explorer's reports of abundant animal and bird life in the summer time in the far north indicates a homeland in the north from which they extend in the summer further south and to which they are seen to migrate in the fall.


Crystal Sage, sorry I truncated your original post. Reading through what you wrote, I was reminded of the legends of Hyperborea. I looked it up in Wikipedia:

In Greek mythology, according to tradition, the Hyperboreans were a mythical people who lived far to the north of Thrace. Their land, called Hyperborea, or Hyperboria ("beyond the Boreas (north wind)"), was perfect, with the Sun shining twenty-four hours a day.[1] The Greeks thought that Boreas, the North Wind, lived in Thrace, and that therefore Hyperborea was an unspecified nation in the northern lands beyond Scythia.

There is more info there and links, so I encourage everyone to take a look. It wasn't just the ancient Greeks who had stories of this region; also Turks, Hindu peoples and Tibetan Buddhists had similar legends. You know, the city of Troy was considered a myth until it was uncovered in the 1870s.

AKUMA166
Very Interesting theory

also check The Dulce Base Theory out it seems to be connected with the hollow earth theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulce_Base
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/dulce.html
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowland...3/bases004.html
Sadonis
OMG, the Earth is hollow and everything as we know it is no accepted. OMG, those people that DRILL INTO THE EARTH, need to stop before it pops like a balloon.


OMFG, there are Aliens living under us! AHHHHHH





Sorry, but the hollow earth idea is just completely silly. It has MORE FLAWS than the current one. Just because it can explain the tiny flaws in the current model, doesn't mean it's true..it just means the current model needs a little revamping, but no full blown.

Then again, get trillions of dollars, spend it on a giant drill, and drill into the Earth for a few years.

Plus, Dr. Evil's plan wouldn't have worked if the Earth were hollow..jeesh original.gif
darkbreed
I read something about the US government not allowing satellite photos of north pole to be released because they have some secret base or something there. Can't remember the details but I will try find the article
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Post a link. Otherwise it is conjecture.
pbarosso
the answer to the question of hollow earth is: NO

\what a bunch of crack pots. hint: education is to be found at colleges and universities, not on internet sites.
avs76
QUOTE(darkbreed @ Dec 6 2006, 04:40 AM) [snapback]1450916[/snapback]

I read something about the US government not allowing satellite photos of north pole to be released because they have some secret base or something there. Can't remember the details but I will try find the article

Yeh, I have read about that too. Here is a site with some photos, but they are not totally conclusive:
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hollowearth.html

Scroll down for pics. Also there is some interesting historical(?) info there.
darkbreed
Ok here is the article i was thinking about:
QUOTE

Anomaly discovered beneath Antarctic Ice
Source: Atlantis Mapping Project
Added: Nov. 10, 2006


WASHINGTON (AMP) - A spy satellite image of Antarctica reveals an "anomaly" two miles beneath the ice that could be a man-made structure, according to Congressional investigators who are demanding release of the image from the Pentagon.

The explosive revelation about the anomaly, located at the epicenter of recent seismic activity in East Antarctica, prompted an immediate denial from the Defense Department and feverish speculation among members of the international intelligence and archeological communities.

"If it’s something the U.S. military has constructed down there, then they’re violating the international Antarctic Treaty," said an aide to Nicole Fontaine, the European Parliament’s French president who in the past has accused the U.S. of spying on European citizens. "If not, then it’s something that’s at least 12,000 years old, which is how long ice has covered Antarctica. That would make it the oldest man-made structure on the planet. The Pentagon should heed the calls of Congress and release whatever it’s hiding."

The existence of the classified satellite image was reported this week by an unidentified federal agent who infiltrated the Pentagon last year during a General Accounting Office audit of lax security at 19 government installations. The sting operation, in which federal investigators carrying fake law enforcement credentials penetrated the FBI, CIA and State Department, was similar to one several years ago that embarrassed the Clinton Administration and prompted the hearings on Capitol Hill.

The image may have been captured by one of three missing U.S. spy satellites that space observers suspect have been moved into secret orbits over Antarctica to avoid detection.

But if history is any indicator, Congress will have to wait some time to catch a glimpse of any images captured by the satellites. It was only in 1999 that former President Bill Clinton decided to finally release Cold War spy satellite images of Antarctica to help scientists gauge the effects of the depleted ozone layer and global warming on the polar cap.

Visiting Christchurch, New Zealand, the main staging post for Antarctic expeditions, Clinton announced that the U.S. National Imagery and Mapping Agency was releasing seven previously classified Cold War images of Antarctica. The digital images, taken in the mid-1970s and early 1980s, provide detailed snapshots of the Dry Valleys region, a vast terrain of about 7,500 square miles shrouded in darkness for much of the year.

At the time, Clinton ignored questions about a secret American military installation in Antarctica, making a plea for the world to grapple with global warming and the fragility of the South Pole. "Unless we change course, most scientists believe the seas will rise so high they will swallow whole islands and coastal areas," he told several hundred people at New Zealand’s International Antarctic Centre.

The Bush Administration, meanwhile, has refused to comment on the latest revelations and said it would not release any recent satellite overheads of Antarctica, citing "national security" concerns.

frogfish
The fact that the source was genesisspark makes it obsolete.

I can say pigs fly, that doesn't make it true.
All the evidence on the earth points towards the earth is hollow.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(frogfish @ Dec 5 2006, 07:21 PM) [snapback]1451387[/snapback]

The fact that the source was genesisspark makes it obsolete.

I can say pigs fly, that doesn't make it true.
All the evidence on the earth points towards the earth is hollow.

We ask for a source and they give us the equal of Weekly World News.
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE(cerberusxp @ Nov 30 2006, 05:00 AM) [snapback]1444354[/snapback]

A long time ago von danikan wrote that under some pyrimids in mexico and south america were tunnels large enough for two semi trucks to pass each other. He said some of the tunnels go as far as san francisco before being caved in and one that goes into ocean near san diego. Also He said these tunnels where cut with laser like precesion.


But then again Von Daniken was always full of s**t
arkland
QUOTE(darkbreed @ Dec 5 2006, 10:40 AM) [snapback]1450916[/snapback]

I read something about the US government not allowing satellite photos of north pole to be released because they have some secret base or something there. Can't remember the details but I will try find the article


Tell me whats wrong with that sentance.
Pax Unum
QUOTE(area 51 @ Dec 6 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]1452590[/snapback]

Tell me whats wrong with that sentance.

besides Russia, England, France, and China having satellites, and not finding any 'secret' American base (or an entry way into the Earth)... I don't know grin2.gif
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