It was the testimony of those involved in Steven Greer's "Disclosure Project" that rekindled my interest in ET's. I have just seen Greer, on video, stating that he spoke with the earth and was told that the suffering of man will not continue much longer because "she will not allow it."

This man is an agent of evil and no good will come from his group or his efforts.

- Booklover

please explain!?

Greer's references to the earth as a living being and claims of speaking to "her" are an indication of an occult, pagan mindset. The earth is a ball of rock and dirt that exists for man's sake. It is not a goddess or a mother and cannot will anything.

- Booklover

that has nothing to do with the disclosure project. I dont care about him beliefs, to be honest. What i care about are the witneses who are coming forward with some interesting information. These are people who held very important jobs, and they need to be heard. We dont know for sure if they are all telling the truth or lying, but i find it hard to believe that they are all lying.

Agreed. But Greer has a long history of occult happenings in his life and there is one mastermind (the devil) in charge of such things. Greer was influenced to found the Disclosure Project by occult messages. So it is likely that the the real aim of the project (unbeknownst to the witnesses perhaps) is evil. The devil does not care if our knowledge of the universe is extended or our energy problems solved, he wants to mislead and lie and nudge people away from God. So if he wants the Disclosure Project, it cannot be a good thing.

- Booklover

Well if you put it that way, i shall put it this way. Religion is evil, and it causes more death and destruction than anything else. I would not be suprised if the end of the world comes about because of a holy war. I know people might say im wrong to say that, but thats what i believe. This world would be a better place without religion.

Not sure of the truth of this or not - but it does raise an interesting question. It would be interesting to see if those other 'witness' share his beliefs? If that is true - there there could easily be stated it is a 'religious plot' so to speak. Then it would put into question a lot of his testimonies as being 'relgiously' motivated.

IE: Suppose Tom Cruise and Scientology started to pro-claim the same thing all in the name of "Scientology"?? Would you believe the witnesses?

No and it is "supposed/if" these guys are doing the samething - but just have the wisdom to not put their 'religious' beliefs 'right out there...??

I think if nothing else - it calls for some real investigation and research now. Y? N?

Jj -

Yes you may say that, but you would be wrong, provably so. History shows that atheist (usually socialist) rulers have caused many times more deaths than religion. But that is the logical outcome of their worldview. After all, if there is no God, then nothing is good or evil. Some religions teach killing also. But Christians who war with unbelievers (except in self defence) are disobeying Christ. Christ taught that unbelievers would be cast into Hell in the end, but he did not instruct us to cross land and sea to send them there.

Booklover

Dude, you got some serious issues. And not with The Disclosure Project either.

Trust me. I have researched and followed the UFO phenomena for 0ver 40 years. The Disclosure Project is genuine and I personally feel at least 99% are 100% truthful.

Earth has been refered to as Mother Earth or Mother Nature. Just because the term is used or refered to in some way does not mean you should take it literally.

Well i have not heard about this. And if it is true then that would make me look more into it, but i dont think this is the case. I feel maybe this is is own views and thats it.



What! you will find that alot of wars have a religoius backround. Look at the trouble in the middle east at the moment. What is causing all that violence? religion! as simple as that. I think we should say no more on this because if you are religious, then i have nothing against you, its just my views, like you have your views

While I tend to agree with you that religion is causing a lot of grief around the world, it is unfortunately the non-religious wars that have claimed the most lives. And I think the most staggering casualty numbers were seen during WWI and II, with I guess the Soviet Union taking the prize for the highest losses in WWII. And Stalin even continued after WWII with his purges, although I am not sure that could be called war.

No religious based skirmish has come even close to matching those numbers.

Best,
Badeskov

Nothing against you either. Yes, there are a lot of wars and violence in the name of religion, including Christianity. There is no excuse for that. But the fact is that more have been murdered, by far, in the name of atheist philosophies (communist, fascist etc.) that have ever been in the name of religion. But religion is, in a sense, more guilty because most religions teach peace. So when they kill without good cause, they violate their own principles.

- Booklover

They are just trying to ruin his reputation...lots of people refer to things as "she"...ie, like cars or plants etc...does not mean they are into a cult and as a witch I would respect him more if he did see the world as a living entity with a femine side to it....

I find no cause to doubt Greer's witnesses. They appear to be honest men of widely differing backgrounds. But the beings that they saw, and took to be aliens from space, may have been something more sinister. We do not yet know. I am fairly well convinced that we have visitors, but I am not convinced that they are from space.

- Booklover

Um...wrong...


More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason.

All you have to do is look at the middle east, the Inquisition's, the crusades, northern ireland and the world trade centers to see how seriously the religious community takes thou shalt not kill, the more devout they are the more they see murder as being negotiable, it depends on who's doing the killing and who's getting killed.

I counted the number of people that were killed by God in the Bible. I came up with 2,270,365, which, of course, greatly underestimates God's total death toll, since it only includes those killings for which specific numbers are given. No attempt was made to include the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc., with which the good book is filled. Still, 2 million is a respectable number even for world class killers.

I will not continue this, because you are willfully stubborn. Pointing out cases of religious violence (which we all admit exist in abundance) does not prove that most killing is the fault of religion. The two totals are not even close. The vast majority of killing has been the fault of atheist philosophies. The matter is not up for debate. It may make a nice slogan at atheist conventions to say that "religion is the cause of most murder" but it is a false statement. There are many things about which thinking men may disagree, because the available data do not weight significantly in any one direction, but this issue is not one of those.

- Booklover

Nothing about that Disclosure conference proved anything at all. No evidence was provided, only peoples testimony.

These people all largely had secret or top secret clearances at one time, which is not a big deal (even Bill Kaysing, "father" of the ludicrous moon hoax notion, claimed a top secret clearance when he worked at Rockcetdyne in the late 50s and early 60s...and of course, Mr. Kaysing knows nothing at all of that which he speaks).

And they revealed nothing at all top secret in their testimonies.

One got the impression that they were, but they didnt.

Anyone can say, "We examined, and classified 57 different alien species," but without anything to back that up, theres simply someone saying something. It's valueless.

I find the DP inconsequential based upon actually listening to what these people have said, and realizing all too well the sensationalistic claims of providing proof of extraterrestrial life have never materialized.

Their is an excellent forum for religious vs. skepticism that should work perfectly for this argument.

I find it very hard to believe that all these people are lying, or hoaxers, i dont believe that at all. I am not saying that they are all telling the truth and i am not saying that they are all lying, but over 500 people coming forward, and alot of them having had important jobs, i just find it hard to believe that they are all lying.

I tell you one thing. Whats the point of coming forward. I dont think i would because its not worth the hassle. Putting maybe you and your family in danger just for people not to believe you, calling you a lier or a hoaxer, or attention seeker. I know we all need that hardcore evidence, and i believe we have it already, we just dont know it yet.

But just imagine that these people are telling the truth. How must they feel that they are trying to share this information with the world, and no one wants to listen, and at the same time the same people who dont want to listen call us paranoid for believing in a cover-up( which so obviously there is ) I know witnesses are not hardcore evidence, but when they come from high backrounds, and have good reputations, then its hard to just dismiss these people, well, i find it hard anyway.


The way i look at it is if i saw a fly saucer, with greys waving at me before it shot off into space and people did not believe me because i had no proof. That would really frustrate me a great deal, but at the same time what else could i do?
Thats why when i hear a witnesses and the case is a good case, then i will not 100% disbelieve them.

It is a tough one and there is no doubt that the majority of these people are credible. Admittedly, I have not paid to get access to all the interesting testimonies on the website, but they have some free excerpts. Please allow me to grab one:

http://www.disclosureproject.org/witnesssamples.htm



So the disclosure project cites a high ranking admiral, which certainly has some credibility and what he says is that there is a chance that we have visitation, but it is not certain! If I were part of that I would put a credible witness up actually saying that we knew that alien visitation was actually happening!

But I agree with him. There indeed is a chance, and while I wouldn't bet on it, I can't discount it either!

Best,
Badeskov

Of course they won't offer proof just yet due to them still organizing the app. 600 members to approach congress....
It isn't only about producing evidence but allowing everyone time to come forth and explain what they have seen.....due to allot of them being retired I assume they want to discuss what they know before it's their time..it would appear that they aren't scared of the government anymore and are urging others to do the same....
I wish them all luck and us all peace...

It is a tough one for me because i tend to look at cases that are very interesting and unexplained. But witneses like this always play on my mind. Either play i find it distressing. If they are telling the truth it must be so annoying for them, and i can understand how that must feel. But then if they are lying or hoaxers that annoys me just a s must. Its word of mouth, of course without the hardcore evidence it does not mean much. But just imagine that some of these people are telling the truth, and they have maybe risk themselves or there family to speak out about this. Is it really worth it when not many people believe you.

I wish i could get into there brains, just to see what they have seen!

So do I. I think that most of them are simply mistaking.

Booklover, you have me totally convinced, i mean let's face if most of the ancient peoples and esoteric cultures refered to the earth as''Mother Earth''a living breathing planet and that we are a part of it and it is a part of us,...then hell they must have all been loony and evil too i guess.

As i respect your view on this, i would'nt have been so critical of your statment, if you did'nt sound so sure of yourself that Greer is such an ''agent of evil.''
As i recall reading a little about the Disclosure Project'' and from what was stated, hardly anyone if any at all had made money from this project thats including the persons interviewed.
So if this is all such a complete evil sham....then why do they even bother.

Well, i find that hard too. There is more chance that they are hoaxing or lying than being mistaken. Not all of them mind you, then again, im not saying they are all telling the truth, but some of the witnesses had jobs that being mistaken, just does not make sense.

Take the woman who went into into a room in nasa and witnessed someone air-brushing out ufos from photos. What it comes down to , she is lying, or she is telling the truth.

At least as important are Greer's claims that they are working on a zero point energy device. I do think ZPE is real and is the energy of the future. But thus far, no one has presented a working prototype. It would, overnight, make oil, natural gas, coal, hydroelectricity, nuclear fission and even fusion obsolete as energy sources.

- Booklover

Rebel, you misunderstand me. I do not say that Greer or anyone at "Disclosure" is deliberately being evil. Greer was inspired was inspired by occult encounters and the devil is behind all such phenomina. That makes Greer's project Satanically originated. I was hasty before in saying that no good can come of it, because God often brings good from things that were meant for evil. But the devil is using this project to spread false doctrine. We must take care that, in gaining free energy and interstellar flight, that we do not lose something far more important. For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

- Booklover

Sure booklover, but taking the ''religious'' aspect out of all this.
When we start to talk or look toward free energy etc, it could only be towards the benefit of man there isn't anything profit making in that. It's only when in the hands of a ''phycotic sadistic few in power'' that it will our down fall.
The so called santanic elements, i call them major oil companies are the ones try'n to suppress all the knowledge of free energy from the rest of us.
Suppression of knowledge + blind obediance from us gives ''the few'' power and control.
Lets hope we all come out of this with our ''souls'' intact booklover.


Rebel.

ahhha! FREE ENERGY !-- just the thing to power my war machine of gigantic might and un-stoppable conquest ! BLITZKRIEG !!

Das ist mir scheiBegal!

Looked to me like some of them had paperwork, and even large stacks of paperwork in a couple cases which would be entered as evidence. Like in any case you would never release evidence like that onto the public before a hearing, its polution to the case. So... Why again would someone present something to the public which inherently needs to be opened in front of congress at the very least? Just wondering your mindset there because there's not a lawyer on this planet which would do this. These people along with this "disclosure project" ask to testify in front of congress to present their evidence, nothing less would suffice would it? Some of these cases are supported by several entities, faa, military, police etc... I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT. Why would anyone be skepticle to the point that they wouldnt even want to hear whats going on? I'm intrigued but not a firm believer but... SHOW ME THE PAPERS, support it and I'm there. So, where's congress saying OK TESTIFY? Its only mindboggling if its true, and its misrepresentation, impersonating military officers, conspiring to slander their own government if its all a hoax.
Thats just me though, SHOW ME!

I would just like to ad that I agree with hazzard about the clearances. When I was stationed in west germany in 1981 through 1983 in the 11th signal 32nd aadcom I had a top secret NATO clearance, my rank was spec4 or E-4. To be honest with you TOP SECRET doesnt mean a whole lot. I guess at the least it means you are a trusted military person with a clean record and are usually trusted with sensitive materials. In my case it was radio/signal or frequency related. Could be just about anything ....

Um......ok. Come on gov. waiting waiting waiting I'm waiting for the proof about aliens/ufos. SHOW ME THE PROOFY.

LOL, thats the spirit.. Now everybody in america all at once, "SHOW US THE PROOFY"

I'm still waiting.

ok this is getting annoying.

no proof yet.

This is pethetic.

LOL

Be very very very scared govey. Boo Ya

I would say that most of them are right on the money.

Let's take a few of the Disclosure Witnesses and the facts that surrounded their cases and grab some popcorn because these are very important people testifyng with backing data and documentation on well known UFO encounters.

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FAA Division Chief John Callahan: October 2000
For 6 years Mr. Callahan was the Division Chief of the Accidents and Investigations Branch of the FAA in Washington DC. In his testimony he tells about a 1986 Japanese Airlines 747 flight that was followed by a UFO for 31 minutes over the Alaskan skies. The UFO also trailed a United Airlines flight until the flight landed. There was visual confirmation as well as air-based and ground-based radar confirmation. This event was significant enough for the then FAA Administrator, Admiral Engen, to hold a briefing the next day where the FBI, CIA, President Reagan’s Scientific Study Team, as well as others attended. Videotape radar evidence, air traffic voice communications and paper reports were compiled and presented. At the conclusion of this meeting, the attending CIA members instructed everyone present that ‘"the meeting never took place" and that "this incident was never recorded." Not realizing that there was additional evidence, they confiscated just the evidence presented, but Mr. Callahan was able to secure videotape and audio evidence of the event.

The data evidence and documentation the CIA tried to confiscate after the press conference but failed.

http://www.topsecrettestimony.com/demo/

http://www.freedomofinfo.org/science/Callahansummary.pdf

You can get more details on the JAL/UFO encounter here from the "History Channel" thanks to Cinders.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...=82688&st=0

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Neil Daniels: Airline Pilot, November 2000
Mr. Daniels is a pilot with over 30,000 of flight time spanning 59 years. He entered the Air Force and became a B-17 pilot surviving 29 combat missions. After leaving the Air Force he worked for United Airlines for 35 years. He tells about the time in March of 1977 when he was flying a commercial flight from San Francisco to Boston. The plane was on autopilot when by itself it began to bank left. He looked out the window and noticed a brilliant bright light. The first and second officers both saw it also. They were perplexed because all three compasses reported different readings.

More on Captain Daniels's UFO encounter can be found here.


Interference with Aircraft Equipment (Sturrock Panel Report)

Summary: Richard Haines presented a summary of his extensive research into pilot-UFO-sighting reports. He now has a catalog of over 3,000 pilot reports, of which approximately 4% involve transient electromagnetic effects allegedly associated with the presence of strange objects. Another catalog of aircraft-UFO-encounter cases (referred to by Velasco in Section 5) is being compiled by Weinstein (1997) as a GEPAN/SEPRA project; this catalog currently contains several hundred aircraft-UFO-encounter cases

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc622.htm

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Professor Robert Jacobs: Lt. US Air Force, November 2000

Professor Jacobs is a respected professor at a major US university. In the 1960's he was in the Air Force. He was the officer in charge of optical instrumentation and his job was to film ballistic missile tests launched from Vandenberg Air Force base in California. In 1964, during a test of the first missile they filmed, they caught on film a UFO traveling right next to the missile. He says it looked like two saucers cupped together with a round ping-pong ball like surface on top. The film showed that from the ball a beam of light was directed at the missile. This happened four times, from four different angles, as the missile was about 60 miles up and traveling at 11,000 to 14,000 miles an hour. The missile tumbled out of space and the UFO left. The next day he was shown the film by his commanding officer and was told to never speak of this again. He said, if it ever comes up you are to say that it was laser strikes from the UFO. Professor Jacobs thought this unusual because in 1964 lasers were in their infancy in the labs but he never the less agreed and hasn't talked about it for 18 years. Years later, after an article came out about the film, professor Jacobs started receiving harassing phone calls at early hours in the morning. His mailbox was even blown up out in front of his house.

http://ufologie.net/htm/bigsur1.htm

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A former base of mine, Hill AFB, was involved in the investigation of the following incident because the Minuteman missile was one of our responsibilities, but only “Echo Flight” was involved in the investigation. During this incident there were other reports of UFOs in the sky and another report that one of the UFOs had actually landed but not close to the missile fields. Other civilians and Sheriff deputies also witnessed and reported the UFOs as well.


Captain Robert Salas: December 2000
Captain Salas graduated from the Air Force Academy and spent seven years in active duty from 1964 to 1971. He also held positions at Martin Marietta and Rockwell and spent 21 years at the FAA. In the Air Force, he was an air traffic controller and a missile launch officer as well as an engineer on the Titan 3 missiles. He testifies about a UFO incident on the morning of March 16, 1967 where 16 nuclear missiles simultaneously became non-operational at two different launch facilities immediately after guards saw UFOs hovering above. The guards could not identify these objects even though they were only about 30 feet away. The Air Force did an extensive investigation of the incidents and could not find a probable cause. At a debriefing about the incident, an officer from the Air Force Office of Special Investigations required him to sign a non-disclosure form and told him that he was not to talk about the event to anyone including his family or other military staff. At a time during the Cold War when minor technical anomalies were openly communicated amongst the staff, this incident was not and to this day Captain Salas thinks this to be very unusual.

http://www.cufon.org/cufon/malmstrom/malm1.htm

Yup.. I dont discount these people for one second, they should be heard! But what do you do. start a petition? Just wondering what it actually takes to get this stuff heard and why havent they been already? Am not too familiar with the congressional stuff, I imagine there's more hoops to jump through before getting that far, lower courts and such??...
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I would say that most of them are right on the money.

Let's take a few of the Disclosure Witnesses and the facts that surrounded their cases and grab some popcorn because these are very important people testifyng with backing data and documentation on well known UFO encounters.

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FAA Division Chief John Callahan: October 2000
For 6 years Mr. Callahan was the Division Chief of the Accidents and Investigations Branch of the FAA in Washington DC.

If there is really a powerful shadow government group hiding the alien secret, then any official body, such as congress, would be pressured to ignore the witnesses and would accomplish nothing. Note that I said "if."

Booklover

People may slag the disclosure project, but at the end of the day some of these are high ranking people in there field of work. I just find it hard to believe that they are all lying. I still have a bit of faith in people telling the truth:)

In addition to the Disclosure Project, the COMETA report is also on the same page as the Disclosure Project.

I just hope something really comes out of this at the end of the day

I expect we will learn more as time goes by as has been the case over the years.

COMETA UFO Report (France)

June 2000
USA: UFOS AND NATIONAL SECURITY

"The Navy Commander's concern is justified by the historical record. Declassified government documents show that unexplained objects with extraordinary technical capabilities pose challenges to military activity around the globe. U.S. fighter jets have been scrambled to pursue UFOs, according to North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD) logs and U.S. Air Force documents. Peruvian and Iranian Air Force planes attempted to shoot down unexplained objects during air encounters, and Belgium F-16's equipped with automatically guided missiles pursued UFO's in 1990."

WHAT SHOULD WE PREPARE FOR?" ASK AMERICAN FIRE FIGHTERS

"UFOs and Defense: What Should We Prepare For? recommends that the French government reflect on "the measures to take in the event of a spectacularþand indisputable manifestation of a UFO." Surprisingly, the United States has taken one small step in that direction. The second edition of the Fire Officer's Guide to Disaster Control is currently used for training by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) at its National Fire Academy and is taught nationally through the seven universities offering degrees in fire science. Chapter 13 of the guide is titled "Enemy Attack and UFO Potential." It warns fire fighters of known "UFO hazards" such as electrical fields that cause blackouts, air and ground travel disruptions by force fields, and physiological effects."

"Do not stand under a UFO that is hovering at low altitudes. Do not touch or attempt to touch a UFO that has landed," the book warns.

"Researched primarily by now deceased US Naval Reserve Captain Charles Bahme, a Los Angeles deputy fire chief who also worked for the Department of Defense and the U.S. State Department, the chapter describes the role that fire fighters should play "in the event of the unexpected arrival of UFOs in their communities." As an example, it outlines a scenario of a UFO crashing into the boiler room of a school, where the spilled oil ignites, endangering the lives of those inside the craft. The fire officials are instructed to let the military take over."

"Dr. William M. Kramer, professor of Fire Science at the University of Cincinnati and an Ohio Fire Chief, co- authored the chapter and will be updating it this year. Kramer says that "the vast majority of fire fighters believe very definitely that UFOs are genuinely unidentifiable craft and are not natural phenomena native to our known earth and our known existence." Like most people, they are reluctant to admit this publicly."

MORE:

http://www.ecologynews.com/cometa.html

Totally agree with you morrison. I recall one of the guys damn near choked into tears that he finally got to stand in front of press and state he was part of this coverup. I can believe these are the few that broke ranks, told family members and maybe a few friends that maybe only half believed it themselves. These people have kids, grand kids and other close friends and relatives who are watching all of this, would they slander themselves and leave this kind of legacy for their kids? I have a very hard time believing that these guys want to go down like that and thats why I'm pretty glued to this one

It's amazing how some UFO skeptics attack the Disclosure Witnesses without doing their homework on the cases they were involved in.

Very true:(

Mmm...i dont know how to interpret this...because of my language issue...wonder what do you think of this:


STEVEN GREER

Reportedly plagiarizes the UFO work of others and sells as his own, sells do-it-yourself ET contact kits - now you too can steer in extraterrestrial spacecraft with a flashlight and never record them just like Doc Greer does. Made claims of contacting extraterrestrials through meditation. Claimed that U.S. military forces attacked a Colorado ET base inside a mountain using nerve gas, no evidence to back claim. Had dinner with CIA Director and spun tale of having briefed CIA Director about ETs for hours. Hosted press conference with credible UFO witnesses on Capitol Hill - ruined it and his own credibility by selling the work of others with his name on it and using bogus witnesses. Allegeldy attempted to charge Washington State MUFON members $2500.00 each to demonstrate how he can vector in UFOs - Greer got to choose the location and the time...mmmmmm.


SEE: Doc Greer Sells The Truth,


http://www.ufowatchdog.com/hall3.html


Greer: UFOlogy's Own Worst Enemy,

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/greer.html


CSETI,

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/greer_seti.html


Greer's claim of military attacking ET underground base with nerve gas

http://www.gaiaguys.net/MtBlanca.htm


, and a refutation of Greer's claims of having briefed the CIA on UFOs.


http://www.ufowatchdog.com/greer_letter.html

I hear alot of stuff about greer, dont know whats true and what is not, but i wont say anything until i do.

I just found this...because of ufowatchdog info:


http://www.cseti.org/programs/Trainings2004.htm

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# $700 if this is your first week-long CSETI training, $650 if you have already attended one. This fee includes tuition and training materials. Note: First-timers with the training kit or Dr. Greer's ET Contact book get $25 to $50 discount. Read about the Working Group Training Kit (or order separately) here.