Perhaps if the various groups pooled their views on the subject, (not just repeat passages from scripture or quotes from science magazines,) we could understand each other better. For starters, what exactly in the practice of homosexuality is it that most religions find wrong? Let's be adults here, and state the logical reason behind the objection.

Because in The Bible it clearly states. It should be a man & a woman. That's all I know really. I don't read The Bible.

I will try to do this without scriptural quotes, but since my objection is based on spiritual values, this may be hard.

I know many religious people object to homosexuality because it is a "sin against nature" or something along those lines.

I believe all sins are committed against God. I do not have a special objection to homosexuality. I just believe it to be a sin, and therefore my objection to it is the same as to any other sin. My actual objection is that someone who is committing a sin is asking me to accept their sin and even legitimize it. I am as incapable of doing that as I would be of legitimizing an alcoholic's lifestyle or a drug addict's lifestyle.

Everyone has their own views, to each their own eh? The world doesn't see it as that. It'd really be horrible if we did what we preached and let others do as they wish.

Isn't there a line in the bible that says "those shouldn't judge unless they wish to be judged?"

I have no problem if a man wants to love another man or a woman wants to love another woman. It is none of my business to enter that mans/womans life so it is not wrong in my eyes. As I said above, to each their own.

Amen. Couldnt say it better.
I know u mentioned no scriptures and such but. Supposeidly all sins are equal in gods eye. Except one but its not about sexuality.

i see nothing wrong with homosexuality, i know many people as its sinful or its not what was meant for us to do, but freedom of sexuality is something i believe in. if a guy wants to get with another guy, its not effecting me, so why should i care? thats my additude

Exactly Iam!! I have gay friends and will support them all the way. But I also let them know that to my personal views is that it's a sin but they accept that because I am foward with them and they know I won't judge them. I will love a straight friend as well as a gay friend.
I believe people should be allowed to love who they want but I can't change everyone-including God's view on the matter.

Sometimes people have a problem with PDA.

Beyond that, what ever sick things people want to do in their own homes...well....have at it...but quietly please.

There is nothing wrong with it. Just because some musty old book says it is wrong doesn't make it so. To tell someone who they can or can't love is a sin against that person. For some it is their nature to love the same gender or love both genders equally to force them to do otherwise is going against nature.
There is a long history in the Abrahamic religions of killing gays, who is guilty of sin the gay man or woman or their murder.
Hate is not a family value.

But in all honesty, I see nothing wrong with homosexuality. The only thing you have to back it up is "God said so"(Paraphrasing).

As for a drug addict, they screw up their own lives. So some negetive DOES come from it. They hurt themselves and others. Same with alchoholics.


Being gay hurts no one. It brings no negetive at all in my opinion. The only difference between being gay and straight, is the sex you are attracted to. Therefore, if one is wrong, then both are in my opinion.

If we were to follow the Christian logic, we'd have to also believe anything God said was wrong. Such as "Eating icecream is a sin". Even though there's no real REASON for it being wrong other than "God said so", the believers would still hold this opinion and call Icecream eaters wrong.

I mean really.. sit down and actually think about that logic.

Any one here eat the meat of pigs?

Ever shook hands with, talked to, or interacted with a woman during her menstrual period?

Speaking of..... you christian women are preaching and teaching. Thats a no-no.

Ever worked on the Sabbath? Whatever day you celebrate it?

These are all sins as well. Take one part of your holy book, you must take and abide by it all.

Funny how those that loudly proclaim ONE passage, in the entire flipping book, as the reason for the discrimination, and subjugation of an entire segment of the population conveniently forget the other "laws" of the book.

"Oh but....." they say, "Those rules where for THAT time. No one would suggest women were less than men today....."

"But it is OK to eat pork......"

Again I state: Accept one part of the books, accept them all.

I hope to hear more of you relating how you stoned your disobediant sons soon

Love, desire & lust between the same sexes has been around throughout the ages, by those that support it & by those that openly detest it yet secretly desire it deep within the comfort of their own closets.

Then why are other animals such as deer for example gay as well. It goes beyond mere choice and thus not a sin. Wild animals can be gay as well which would certainly suggest that it is quite natural for a certain percentage of mammals to be homosexual.


The passage is found in leviticus on that note if people are going to follow this part of leviticus they should not pick and choose and follow all the things it says...

20:9 If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. (You can kill your kids for swearing at you)

20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (having sex with someone not your wife can kill you too.)

20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death. (This essentially says gays should be put to death)

25:44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from the nations that are round about you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession forever; you may make slaves of them, but over your brethren the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another, with harshness. (You can own slaves)

25:45-46 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, . . . and they shall be your possession . . . they shall be your bondmen forever.

I could quote more but this gets my point across and Leviticus is not the only chapter in the bible that promotes everything from slavery to killing children etc. If your going to follow one part of a flawed book then you should live by it all.

It is illogical and immoral to hate someone for who they are and place yourself above them. This goes beyond the christians as well but any religion that opresses others for who they are.

^There's more than just Leviticus. The New Testament also speaks out against it. Though if you want to look at Leviticus 20 alone, it also speaks out against having sexual relationships with a brother/sister or a mother/father, or someone who's already married, or even an animal. No one seems to think any of these are right and proper. They'll say "yep, all of these are wrong, but this one (homosexuality) is ok". In the broader context of Leviticus though there are also laws that we today see as not to be carried out (wearing poly-cotton shirts, eating pork, cutting your sideburns, for example) so I tend to use other parts of the Bible when referencing homosexuality.

And this leads on to my big beef with discussing homosexuality. WHy do we always single it out as something to be discussed? The Bible never singles it out, it's always in a list, and not even at the top of the list. The Bible never singles it out, yet we in modern society do? WHY? But to answer the question, homosexuality specifically is wrong because ultimately it does not do as God intended sex to do. That is to say, it does not fulfil God's edict to go forth and multiply. Let's for now ignore the obvious question of men or women who are unable to produce children and whether they should just stop having sex.......

This doesn't mean that the people practicing homosexuality are the most evil or vile creatures. No no no, that's not right at all. They are no different to any other person, that is to say, we all sin. In no way is homosexuality this big unpardonable sin. It is wrong in the exact same sense that a heterosexual having sexual relations outside of marriage is wrong. Heck, it's wrong in the exact same sense that someone stealing a packet of chewing gum is wrong, or not honouring their parents is wrong.

God hates fags? Hell no. God hates those who profess to hate.

Regards, PA

Actually, I base myself more on what Romans 1 says. It is just another of the things that man turned to when he turned away from God. When I brought up the "sin against nature" part as you see I put it in quotations to point out that was not how I saw it. From my point, no sin is a sin against nature, they are all sins against God. I do not condemn a gay person anymore than I do anyone else because we are all sinners. There is nothing that says sins are only things that hurt others. All sins, even those that do have victims, hurt the person committing the sin, and that is enough. I am not perfect, I do not look down on someone who's gay. I see them just like me; I am a sinner too. Although I am saved, there are still sins I deal with on a daily basis. I would never consider asking that people accept my sins as just a lifestyle and legitimize me. From my standpoint legitimizing a gay lifestyle would be a sin, so there is no way I can do that.

"To tell someone who they can or can't love is a sin against that person.'

I know I have answered this comprehensively in other posts and i am aware that IamSon has read most of these, but I would like to reply particularly to the idea expressed above, and I am aware i tread on dangerous ground in doing so. (Sorry jalorm I thought the OP was by Iamson.Dont know what gave me that idea, except i had just been reading some other posts by him.

I love my mother, I love my father, and my sisters and mostly even my brother I love a lot of other people. (I am really a very blessed person:) And yes I would object to people telling me I could not love them. But to have sex with any of these people would not be accepted or seen as natural, and this is what the practice of homosexuality is about. A sexual act. Why are all the above acts unacceptable. Strangely(?)god's law reflects biological principles which have only become scientifically proven in modern times. Either the writers of the bible were divinely inspired, or they applied a form of common sense, or they got lucky.Take your pick. Why shouldn't I have sex with my mother or my sister? It is partly a genetic issue, but also a social one, in that it complicates and undermines the structure that very early societies/civilisations were born on. Yes, Animals have Same -gender sex(you can't accurately call it homosexual) They also mate with parents, siblings etc. I don't know what, if any, genetic difference there is between animals and humans, but I suspect our intelligence is the critical thing which may be lost through random inbreeding. Also, Animals do not have the same societal formation we do and therefore have not needed to protect it, by rules about who we can have sex/breed with. Now I know that today, sex does not directly correlate with breeding/ reproduction as it once did, thanks to the pill etc, and i know sex for pleasure /recreation is a generally accepted practice in most societies. But this is not the purpose of sex in nature (it is only "made" enjoyable to encourage an act necessary for reproduction which, otherwise, quite a lot of the human race would likely choose to do without) It doesn't matter if you think we were created this way, or if it is a product of natural selecton. In either case Non -reproductive sex is not natural. Thus, the prohibition by both god and ancient law makers of homosexual sex does make common sense.
Having said all that, as I have stated elsewhere, the bible makes it clear that we should love homosexuals, not judge them; and accept them as equal contenders for a place in heaven. As we should do ALL people).
So I think that while "people " can't tell you who to love, it is generally accepted that they can tell you a lot of people you are not permitted to have sex with. Personally, I would choose not to have sex with my mother, father, sisters, brother etc, or any one of the same gender, no matter how much I loved them, but I will not judge others for their actions, just try to inform them.

They will not produce an offspring. No more evolution for human species. No more multiplication of human genome.

oh feck it.

I give up.

Somehow, a man who lived two thousand years ago and who traveled with twelve other men for several years makes a poor case of someone who might be against homosexual behaviour.

Personally, I'm straight and love the female curves, the voices, the...the...ah excuse me [returns twenty minutes later]...but seriously, I met this one guy one time and all the girls where I work would have given up their underwear on the spot for this guy. They were that nuts about the way he looked. Even I have to admit I had a weird feeling when in his presence. That kind of freaked me out and looking back, I'm curious as to how far that feeling might have went had I pursued it.

Wrong? No.

Natural? Yes.

yeah i totally agree

remember america was founded on SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!!!!!!!!

You say its a sin like any other sin. You say you are as incapable of doing that as you would be of legitimizing an alcoholics lifestyle or a drug addicts lifestyle. These two lifestyles are sick and not just "sins." Lets compared it to any other sin:

Lets just go with one that supposed to be on equal footing:


Lust (undesired love) (this would include homosexuality)

Gluttony (overindulgence)

Greed (avarice)

Laziness (idleness)

Wrath (anger)

Envy (jealousy)

Pride (vanity)

Being homosexual is as bad as losing your temper.

Now lets hit the top ten

"You shall have no other gods before Me.

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth... you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God....

“You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain....

“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy....

“Honor your father and your mother....

“You shall not murder.

“You shall not commit adultery.

“You shall not steal.

“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

“You shall not covet... .”


So you treat homosexuality the same way you treat those who don't honor the Sabbath by not working? Or those who don't speak to their parents for whatever reason? Or a teenager that steals a pack of gum?

Its not treated like any other sin. Its treated as an abomination in the eyes of God


Why?

Well Corinthians is used as an example

1 Cor 6:9-11

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


So the greedy won't get in either eh? So all those people who lined the streets for the PS3 can kiss it good bye.

And for that matter so can pretty much ever middle class American upward, for while they were loading up on SUV's and refinancing their mortgages, Africans were dying of starvation and so were a lot of other people. Lets not even mention the people who ordered the Grand Slam breakfast at IHOP every Sunday.

All those people gossiping about TomKat? Ixney on the eavenHey. Not a chance.

Oh wait though, it says we were washed of our sins. Hmmm. And homosexuality is included in that. Read it again.

Then there is this infamous quote

13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus right? Making sure we understand that God REALLY doesn't dig homosexuality.

Its plain and simple when you read it like that.

But lets keep reading shall we? Lets start at the beginning of that passage





According to this Miss Cleo is in BIIIIG trouble.

According to this God considers having sex with a man when you are a man is a big no no. HUGE.

But so is having sex with your wife (even if by accident) and she gets her period. Damn you need to be put out of your community.

And so is adultery. So homosexuality is no different than adultery according to the big cheese.

But don't even suggest that its treated that way. Its treated as an abomination in the eyes of god, as if it is one of the worst sins out there.

Well so is sassing back mommy.

I am so sick of hearing "the bible made me do it" as an explanation for people's disgusting prejudice.

After explaining the flawed reasoning about procreation and why homosexuality is wrong... yeah I gave up as well.

I can only show the evidence on how homosexuality is a population control trigger.. and how even with the amount of humans on this planet.. we are in no danger of dieing out from people being homosexual so many times before I feel like talking to a wall is more productive.

Though I am getting really tired of people useing that already disproven "homosexual isn't natural because then we'd never procreate!!" Well guess what! Homosexuality has been with humans, and other animals for thousands of millions of years!! And look at where humans are... In the billions. Nope.. a few hundred thousand or so homosexuals will not harm the human population.

Can we *PLEASE* move on... I swear another thread about homosexualism is going to make me snap.

Yeah man - this thread is ghey.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.


The rest of Romans1 by the way. Its easy to stop where you want. But God condemned those as deserving death who are also "heartless, ruthless, GOSSIPS?

Like I said earlier. Everyone who sits around talking about homosexual relationships is GOSSIPING and deserves death anyway.

That's if everyone became homosexual. Which will never happen.

There, did you get all that pent up anger out of your system true?

Yes, homosexuality is as bad as all those sins. You know what? Sassing Mommy is as bad as killing 6 million Jews! Yes, in God's eyes they are all the same. They are all each and everyone just as bad because any one of those causes separation from Him. The degrees of badness are there because we seek to find them, but any one of those sets you on a path to eternal separation from God.

But you know what is even more incredible? Since they are all the same to God, Jesus's sacrifice is sufficient to cover all or any of them.

Again, notice that I also said I do not hold a gay person in any less esteem than I do anyone else, because we are all sinners and if the sin makes no difference to God then it should make no difference to me and it doesn't. I have friends who are gay, I also have friends who are alcoholics (most of them are abstainers and one just celebrated 12 years), I also hav an uncle who is an embezzler, and I have quite a few unsavory events in my past (and some in the very near past). My gay friends know that I do not condone their "lifestyle" and they know that I would never ask them to condone my sins either.

Do you understand that for me this is not about having a prejudice, it's about wanting to make sure that I do not allow someone to continue on their way to eternal death by saying, "I know this is just who you are and that's OK." It is no more OK than any other sin is, it is no worse either, it is just sin and it will keep you on a path to eternal death just like adultery, lying, coveting, dishonoring Mom and Dad, stealing, etc. will.

Never say never!

It might happen...and maybe thats why the christians are so damn mad!

Despite everything else you've said, you are absolutely correct with this. Well, the Sabbath's an interesting subject to discuss, especially in light of Hebrews 4 (though there are some Christians that feel the Sabbath is still literally to be kept - but that's neither here nor there at this point).

Yes, a teenager who steals a pack of gum is in exactly the same boat as a homosexual. A person who does not honour their parents is in exactly the same boat as a homosexual. A heterosexual who thinks lustfully is in exactly the saem boat as a homosexual.

Yes, there are Christians who take the extreme idea that homosexuality is this great abomination in the eyes of god or nature or whatever. it's not. The Bible never makes it out as such.

All people have sinned, all are under the same judgement, according to Christianity.

Is homosexuality natural? I believe that most likely homosexuality is a result of environment and genetics mixing in a certain way. But if it is natural? Could one not also use that same argument to support paedophilia? The person acting upon their urges are only doing what they feel is natural. The 13-year old girl agreed, so there shouldn't be a problem, should there.

And please note that I'm not trying to say that homosexuality is the same as paedophilia, I'm just using the same reasoning to reach a similar conclusion.

Just a thought.

My sins are legendary so I'm a way worse sinner than you are.

You know its funny PA because I wrote my response without reading yours. We said basically the same thing. Weird.


You are mixing it in with paedophilia. Is it natural?

Well its a sin is it not? Is it natural to lie? Is it natural to sin? Yes it is according to Christianity. That's why they needed JC..

Only after saying its "just a sin" it gets popped over to a different argument. "Well you could use that argument to support paedophilia or beastiality"

No you couldn't. Because in those two situations there is a victim. In Homosexuality there are two consenting adults.

That's like comparing heterosexual sex to rape. Its a natural impulse for a man to wanna have sex right? So why is rape wrong?

Consent.

But a 13-year old girl can consent. It's society that suggests 13 is too young to make an informed opinion. Remember that 2000+ years ago, it was perfectly natural for people to marry when they were 13 or 14.

That's really sad, because I knew you would use that argument. Its the only one you have left.

Legally a 13 year old can not consent. Its still statuatory rape whether she goes along with it or not.

In a true healty homosexual relationship (Not the sick ones the Christians like to pretend are the norm) there are two CONSENTING ADULTS

Your argument, as I said is akin to comparing RAPE to heterosexual sex.

Seriously.

Just wondering: If I rape a young male goat, does that make me a homosexual pedophile bestiality sex maniac?

Gee, maybe I should read through this thread after all.

Truethat - I was considering editing in a comment in on my previous post about the views of society, because I also knew what your response was going to be. It is only a societal law that suggests a 13 year old is too young to decide on their own. As I said, 2000+ years ago, it was common place for people to be married and starting families at that age. It's easy to sit back and say statutory rape is wrong, but many moons ago, that though was not there.

The only thing that makes it statutory rape is that society has deemed it so. Interesting that a person one day before their sixteenth birthday isn't considered old enough to make their own decisions, but one day after they are considered old enough.

I understand your position, but your argument is firmly entrenched in the morals and society with which you live, just as my argument is entrenched in the Bible.

As for your statement "In a true healty homosexual relationship (Not the sick ones the Christians like to pretend are the norm)" what do you believe is the "normal" homosexual relationship then?

I think some early christian gnostics believed in something along those lines anyway..? I'm not sure but I thought I read the other day that they didnt all believe it was a good thing to have children.

But anyway, I dont think its wrong to be homosexual or Bisexual.. I kinda look at it all in the same way.. Its all 'sexual'.. which is always for anothers flesh, which I think is limiting to the 'spiritual' in some ways. So I look at sex as like a need for those that dont think they have everything already.. kinda.. like I think eventually people give it up... most the time because they get older which is the lesson to me. Like we lust when we first get here and not so much when we get older.. I cant word it very well but I hope that made alittle sense.

A normal homosexual relationship is between two consenting adults. Like Jodie Foster and her girlfriend for example.

Morals have nothing to do with my argument. According to the bible fornication is also a sin.

The sick part of your argument is equating homosexuality to something we consider immoral. So for example you jump to paedophiles and others to beastiality.

Thats a sign of your need to equate it with someone recognizably immoral.

As I said, its akin to equating heterosexual sex to RAPE.


Its the exact same thing. What's the difference in both cases? Consent.

I know quite a few young women that would be able to consent to having sex with a man. And young men for that matter.

When you say the same argument could be made for paedophilia, well funny because your God seems to make plenty of arguments explaining how paedophiles are fine with him.

Paedophiles are not regarded as sinners in the bible. They are regarded as "chosen ones" or in some cases Lot.

Lot had sex with his daughters which is supposed to be a sin as well?


As I said earlier I am sick of people using the bible as an excuse for their disgusting prejudice.

Whoa - she used to be my favorite actress. Now she's even hotter! I hope she's bi rather than pure lesbo though. Thanks!

Nothing wrong with homosexuality. It is very natural. If not then are these animals who have been proven to have been to have sexual relationships not natural? Has evolution or god gone wrong with these animals.

African Buffalo
African Elephant
Agile Wallaby
Amazon River Dolphin (Boto)
American Bison
Aperea
Asian Elephant
Asiatic Mouflon
Atlantic Spotted Dolphin
Australian Sea Lion
Barasingha
Barbary Sheep
Beluga
Bharal
Bighorn Sheep
Black Bear
Blackbuck
Black-footed Rock Wallaby
Black-tailed Deer
Bonnet Macaque
Bonobo
Bottlenose Dolphin
Bowhead Whale
Bridled Dolphin
Brown Bear
Brown Capuchin
Brown Long-eared Bat
Brown Rat
Caribou
Cat (domestic)
Cattle (domestic)
Cheetah
Collared Peccary
Commerson's Dolphin
Common Brushtail Possum
Common Chimpanzee
Common Dolphin
Common Marmoset
Common Pipistrelle
Common Raccoon
Common Tree Shrew
Cotton-top Tamarin
Crab-eating Macaque
Crested Black Macaque
Cui
Dall's Sheep
Daubenton's Bat
Dog (domestic)
Doria's Tree Kangaroo
Dugong
Dwarf Cavy
Dwarf Mongoose
Eastern Cottontail Rabbit
Eastern Gray Kangaroo
Elk
Euro (a subspecies of wallaroo)
European Bison
Fallow Deer
False Killer Whale
Fat-tailed Dunnart
Fin Whale
Fox
Gelada Baboon
Giraffe
Goat (Domestic)
Golden Monkey
Gorilla
Grant's Gazelle
Gray-headed Flying Fox
Gray Seal
Gray Squirrel
Gray Whale
Gray Wolf
Grizzly Bear
Guinea Pig (Domestic)
Hamadryas Baboon
Hamster (Domestic)
Hanuman Langur
Harbor Porpoise
Harbor Seal
Himalayan Tahr
Hoary Marmot
Horse (domestic)
Human
Indian Fruit Bat
Indian Muntjac
Indian Rhinoceros
Japanese Macaque
Javelina
Kangaroo Rat
Killer Whale
Koala
Kob
Larga Seal
Least Chipmunk
Lechwe
Lesser Bushbaby
Lion
Lion-tailed Macaque
Lion Tamarin
Little Brown Bat
Livingstone's Fruit Bat
Long-eared Hedgehog
Long-footed Tree Shrew
Markhor
Marten
Matschie's Tree Kangaroo
Mohol Galago
Moor Macaque
Moose
Mountain Goat
Mountain Tree Shrew
Mountain Zebra
Mouse (domestic)
Moustached Tamarin
Mule Deer
Musk-ox
Natterer's Bat
New Zealand Sea Lion
Nilgiri Langur
Noctule
North American Porcupine
Northern Elephant Seal
Northern Fur Seal
Northern Quoll
Olympic Marmot
Orangutan
Orca
Pacific Striped Dolphin
Patas Monkey
Pere David's Deer
Pig (Domestic)
Pig-tailed Macaque
Plains Zebra
Polar Bear
Pretty-faced Wallaby
Proboscis Monkey
Pronghorn
Przewalski's Horse
Puku
Quokka
Rabbit
Raccoon Dog
Red Deer
Red Fox
Red Kangaroo
Red-necked Wallaby
Red Squirrel
Reeves's Muntjac
Reindeer
Rhesus Macaque
Right Whale
Rock Cavy
Rodrigues Fruit Bat
Roe Deer
Rufous Bettong
Rufous-naped Tamarin
Rufous Rat Kangaroo
Saddle-back Tamarin
Savanna Baboon
Sea Otter
Serotine Bat
Sheep (Domestic)
Siamang
Sika Deer
Slender Tree Shrew
Sooty Mangabey
Sperm Whale
Spinifex Hopping Mouse
Spinner Dolphin
Spotted Hyena
Spotted Seal
Squirrel Monkey
Striped Dolphin
Stuart's Marsupial Mouse
Stumptail Macaque
Swamp Deer
Swamp Wallaby
Takhi
Talapoin
Tammar Wallaby
Tasmanian Devil
Tasmanian Rat Kangaroo
Thinhorn Sheep
Thomson's Gazelle
Tiger
Tonkean Macaque
Tucuxi
Urial
Vampire Bat
Verreaux's Sifaka
Vervet
Vicuna
Walrus
Wapiti
Warthog
Waterbuck
Water Buffalo
Weeper Capuchin
Western Gray Kangaroo
West Indian Manatee
Whiptail Wallaby
White-faced Capuchin
White-fronted Capuchin
White-handed Gibbon
White-lipped Peccary
White-tailed Deer
Wild Cavy
Wild Goat
Wisent
Yello-footed Rock Wallaby
Yellow-toothed Cavy

[edit] Birds
Acorn Woodpecker
Adelie Penguin
Anna's Hummingbird
Australian Shelduck
Aztec Parakeet
Bangalese Finch (Domestic)
Bank Swallow
Barn Owl
Bicolored Antbird
Black-billed Magpie
Black-crowned Night Heron
Black-headed Gull
Black-rumped Flameback
Black Stilt
Black Swan
Black-winged Stilt
Blue-backed Manakin
Blue-bellied Roller
Blue Tit
Blue-winged Teal
Brown-headed Cowbird
Budgerigar (Domestic)
Buff-breasted Sandpiper
Calfbird
California Gull
Canada Goose
Canary-winged Parakeet
Caspian Tern
Cattle Egret
Chaffinch
Chicken (Domestic)
Chiloe Wigeon
Cliff Swallow
Common Gull
Common Murre
Common Shelduck
Crane spp.
Dusky Moorhen
Eastern Bluebird
Egyptian Goose
Elegant Parrot
Emu
European Jay
European Shag
Flamingo
Galah
Gentoo Penguin
Golden Bishop Bird
Golden Plover
Gray-breasted Jay
Gray-capped Social Weaver
Gray Heron
Grayling
Great Cormorant
Greater Bird of Paradise
Greater Rhea
Green Sandpiper
Greenshank
Greylag Goose
Griffon Vulture
Guianan c***-of-the-Rock
Guillemot
Herring Gull
Hoary-headed Grebe
Hooded Warbler
House Sparrow
Humboldt Penguin
Ivory Gull
Jackdaw
Kestrel
King Penguin
Kittiwake
Laughing Gull
Laysan Albatross
Least Darter
Lesser Flamingo
Lesser Scaup Duck
Little Blue Heron
Little Egret
Long-tailed Hermit Hummingbird
Mallard
Masked Lovebird
Mealy Amazon Parrot
Mew Gull
Mexican Jay
Musk Duck
Mute Swan
Ocellated Antbird
Ocher-bellied Flycatcher
Orange Bishop Bird
Orange-footed Parakeet
Ornate Lorikeet
Ostrich
Oystercatcher
Peach-faced Lovebird
Pied Flycatcher
Pied Kingfisher
Pigeon (Domestic)
Powerful Owl
Purple Swamphen
Raggiana's Bird of Paradise
Raven
Razorbill
Red-backed Shrike
Red Bishop Bird
Red-faced Lovebird
Redshank
Red-shouldered Widowbird
Regent Bowerbird
Ring-billed Gull
Ring Dove
Rock Dove
Roseate Cockatoo
Roseate Tern
Rose-ringed Parakeet
Ruff
Ruffed Grouse
Sage Grouse
San Blas Jay
Sand Martin
Satin Bowerbird
Scarlet Ibis
Scottish Crossbill
Senegal Parrot
Sharp-tailed Sparrow
Silver Gull
Silvery Grebe
Snow Goose
Steller's Sea Eagle
Superb Lyrebird
Swallow-tailed Manakin
Tasmanian Native Hen
Tree Swallow
Trumpeter Swan
Turkey (Domestic)
Victoria's Riflebird
Wattled Starling
Western Gull
White-fronted Amazon Parrot
White Stork
Wood Duck
Yellow-backed (Chattering) Lorikeet
Yellow-rumped Cacique
Zebra Finch (Domestic)

[edit] Fish
Amazon molly
Blackstripe Topminnow
Bluegill Sunfish
Char
European Bitterling
Green swordtail
Guiana leaffish
Hammerhead
Houting Whitefish
Jewel Fish
Mouthbreeding Fish sp.
Salmon spp.
Southern platyfish
Ten-spined stickleback
Three-spined stickleback

[edit] Other vertebrates
Anole sp.
Appalachian Woodland Salamander
Black-spotted Frog
Broad-headed Skink
Checkered Whiptail Lizard
Chihuahuan Spotted Whiptail Lizard
Common Ameiva
Common Garter Snake
Cuban Green Anole
Desert Grassland Whiptail Lizard
Desert Tortoise
Fence Lizard
Five-lined Skink
Gopher (Pine) Snake
Green Anole
Inagua Curlytail Lizard
Jamaican Giant Anole
Laredo Striped Whiptail Lizard
Largehead Anole
Mountain Dusky Salamander
Mourning Gecko
Plateau Striped Whiptail Lizard
Red Diamond Rattlesnake
Red-tailed Skink
Side-blotched Lizard
Speckled Rattlesnake
Tengger Desert Toad
Water Moccasin
Western Rattlesnake
Western Banded Gecko
Whiptail Lizard spp.
Wood Turtle

[edit] Insects and other invertebrates
Acanthocephalan Worms
Alfalfa Weevil
Australian Parasitic Wasp sp.
Bean Weevil sp.
Bedbug and other Bug spp.
Blister Beetle spp.
Blowfly
Box Crab
Broadwinged Damselfly sp.
Cabbage (Small) White
Checkerspot Butterfly
Clubtail Dragonfly spp.
Cockroach spp.
Common Skimmer Dragonfly spp.
Creeping Water Bug sp.
Digger Bee
Dragonfly spp.
Eastern Giant Ichneumon
Eucalyptus Longhorned Borer
Field Cricket sp.
Fruit Fly spp.
Glasswing Butterfly
Grape Berry Moth
Grape Borer
Green Lacewing
Harvest Spider sp.
Hawaiian Orb-Weaver
Hen Flea
House Fly
Ichneumon Wasp sp.
Incirrate Octopus spp.
Japanese Scarab Beetle
Jumping Spider sp.
Larch Bud Moth
Large Milkweed Bug
Large White
Long-legged Fly spp.
Mazarine Blue
Mediterranean Fruit Fly
Mexican White
Midge sp.
Migratory Locust
Mite sp.
Monarch Butterfly
Narrow-winged Damselfly spp.
Parsnip Leaf Miner
Pomace Fly
Prea
Queen Butterfly
Red Ant sp.
Red Flour Beetle
Reindeer Warble Fly
Rosechafer
Rove Beetle spp.
Scarab Beetle, Melolonthine
Screwworm Fly
Silkworm Moth
Sociable Weaver
Southeastern Blueberry Bee
Southern Green Stink Bug
Southern Masked Chafer
Southern One-Year Canegrub
Spreadwinged Damselfly spp.
Spruce Budworm Moth
Stable Fly sp.
Stag Beetle spp.
Tsetse Fly
Water Boatman Bug
Water Strider spp.


Any thoughts???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anima...sexual_behavior

Anyone who thinks there is something wrong with homosexuality are anti-religious or anti spiritual. A prejudice against homosexuality is a prejudice agaisnt God.

For those of you who say that the Bible condemns homosexuality, have you looked closely at the relationship of David and Jonathan?

I Samuel 18: 1-4
1. And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
2. And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house.
3. Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.
4. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.

And, then I Samuel 20

17. And Jonathan caused David to swear again, because he loved him: for he loved him as he loved his own soul.
30. Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?

40. And Jonathan gave his artillery unto his lad, and said unto him, Go, carry them to the city.
41. And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.

II Samuel 1:26 David is mourning Jonathan's death.

26. I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.

If you read the entire story of David and Jonathan, you'll find: a covenant, nudity, kissing, love, a parent angry at his son's choice. Sounds like more than just really good friends to me.

Hhehehehe so God doesn't mind gays? Good! hahahahaha sucked in indoctrinated christian gay bashers!

I am sorry, but, with all due respect for yourself and your beliefs, if the above were true, your God would be warped and perverse beyond words. To put the suffering, torture, agony and murder of millions of people to a par with a child answering back it's parent beggers belief & is wrong on so many levels, I wouldn't know where to start.

queen, I'm sorry you feel this way. But God is a perfect being, to Him any imperfection is extremely noticeable and like I said, any sin results in the same thing: eternal death.

Regardless of what your God thinks, we can all see clearly that this is nothing but sick and twisted.

Your God could commit the most horrible act possible, and Christians would be right behind him rationalizing it. Most likely they'd just say "God's always right".

What would it take for you to actually stand back and say.. "Wow... that is kind of cruel"?

Iamson define "eternal death"?? Because if it is eternal then it would have no beginning, meaning that we would already be in that state(conscious or unconsious). Anything eternal that has a beginning isn't eternal. Please explain if you can?!

brave, if you can't figure this one out on your own too bad, because I'm not going to waste my time on this one.

That's ok, because I know you lack the intellectual faculties to explain it and don't want to embaress yourself. Like the 6 millions jews you talked about who were "imperfect" your intelligence to explain simple spiritual truths or paradoxes is also "imperfect". I wonder what God has installed for you???

had to change some imperfect grammar

So Iamson is God who is infinitely mericful and compassionate going to exterminate(either directly or indirectly) this list of of animals here who show natural homosexualitytowards one another???

African Buffalo
African Elephant
Agile Wallaby
Amazon River Dolphin (Boto)
American Bison
Aperea
Asian Elephant
Asiatic Mouflon
Atlantic Spotted Dolphin
Australian Sea Lion
Barasingha
Barbary Sheep
Beluga
Bharal
Bighorn Sheep
Black Bear
Blackbuck
Black-footed Rock Wallaby
Black-tailed Deer
Bonnet Macaque
Bonobo
Bottlenose Dolphin
Bowhead Whale
Bridled Dolphin
Brown Bear
Brown Capuchin
Brown Long-eared Bat
Brown Rat
Caribou
Cat (domestic)
Cattle (domestic)
Cheetah
Collared Peccary
Commerson's Dolphin
Common Brushtail Possum
Common Chimpanzee
Common Dolphin
Common Marmoset
Common Pipistrelle
Common Raccoon
Common Tree Shrew
Cotton-top Tamarin
Crab-eating Macaque
Crested Black Macaque
Cui
Dall's Sheep
Daubenton's Bat
Dog (domestic)
Doria's Tree Kangaroo
Dugong
Dwarf Cavy
Dwarf Mongoose
Eastern Cottontail Rabbit
Eastern Gray Kangaroo
Elk
Euro (a subspecies of wallaroo)
European Bison
Fallow Deer
False Killer Whale
Fat-tailed Dunnart
Fin Whale
Fox
Gelada Baboon
Giraffe
Goat (Domestic)
Golden Monkey
Gorilla
Grant's Gazelle
Gray-headed Flying Fox
Gray Seal
Gray Squirrel
Gray Whale
Gray Wolf
Grizzly Bear
Guinea Pig (Domestic)
Hamadryas Baboon
Hamster (Domestic)
Hanuman Langur
Harbor Porpoise
Harbor Seal
Himalayan Tahr
Hoary Marmot
Horse (domestic)
Human
Indian Fruit Bat
Indian Muntjac
Indian Rhinoceros
Japanese Macaque
Javelina
Kangaroo Rat
Killer Whale
Koala
Kob
Larga Seal
Least Chipmunk
Lechwe
Lesser Bushbaby
Lion
Lion-tailed Macaque
Lion Tamarin
Little Brown Bat
Livingstone's Fruit Bat
Long-eared Hedgehog
Long-footed Tree Shrew
Markhor
Marten
Matschie's Tree Kangaroo
Mohol Galago
Moor Macaque
Moose
Mountain Goat
Mountain Tree Shrew
Mountain Zebra
Mouse (domestic)
Moustached Tamarin
Mule Deer
Musk-ox
Natterer's Bat
New Zealand Sea Lion
Nilgiri Langur
Noctule
North American Porcupine
Northern Elephant Seal
Northern Fur Seal
Northern Quoll
Olympic Marmot
Orangutan
Orca
Pacific Striped Dolphin
Patas Monkey
Pere David's Deer
Pig (Domestic)
Pig-tailed Macaque
Plains Zebra
Polar Bear
Pretty-faced Wallaby
Proboscis Monkey
Pronghorn
Przewalski's Horse
Puku
Quokka
Rabbit
Raccoon Dog
Red Deer
Red Fox
Red Kangaroo
Red-necked Wallaby
Red Squirrel
Reeves's Muntjac
Reindeer
Rhesus Macaque
Right Whale
Rock Cavy
Rodrigues Fruit Bat
Roe Deer
Rufous Bettong
Rufous-naped Tamarin
Rufous Rat Kangaroo
Saddle-back Tamarin
Savanna Baboon
Sea Otter
Serotine Bat
Sheep (Domestic)
Siamang
Sika Deer
Slender Tree Shrew
Sooty Mangabey
Sperm Whale
Spinifex Hopping Mouse
Spinner Dolphin
Spotted Hyena
Spotted Seal
Squirrel Monkey
Striped Dolphin
Stuart's Marsupial Mouse
Stumptail Macaque
Swamp Deer
Swamp Wallaby
Takhi
Talapoin
Tammar Wallaby
Tasmanian Devil
Tasmanian Rat Kangaroo
Thinhorn Sheep
Thomson's Gazelle
Tiger
Tonkean Macaque
Tucuxi
Urial
Vampire Bat
Verreaux's Sifaka
Vervet
Vicuna
Walrus
Wapiti
Warthog
Waterbuck
Water Buffalo
Weeper Capuchin
Western Gray Kangaroo
West Indian Manatee
Whiptail Wallaby
White-faced Capuchin
White-fronted Capuchin
White-handed Gibbon
White-lipped Peccary
White-tailed Deer
Wild Cavy
Wild Goat
Wisent
Yello-footed Rock Wallaby
Yellow-toothed Cavy

[edit] Birds
Acorn Woodpecker
Adelie Penguin
Anna's Hummingbird
Australian Shelduck
Aztec Parakeet
Bangalese Finch (Domestic)
Bank Swallow
Barn Owl
Bicolored Antbird
Black-billed Magpie
Black-crowned Night Heron
Black-headed Gull
Black-rumped Flameback
Black Stilt
Black Swan
Black-winged Stilt
Blue-backed Manakin
Blue-bellied Roller
Blue Tit
Blue-winged Teal
Brown-headed Cowbird
Budgerigar (Domestic)
Buff-breasted Sandpiper
Calfbird
California Gull
Canada Goose
Canary-winged Parakeet
Caspian Tern
Cattle Egret
Chaffinch
Chicken (Domestic)
Chiloe Wigeon
Cliff Swallow
Common Gull
Common Murre
Common Shelduck
Crane spp.
Dusky Moorhen
Eastern Bluebird
Egyptian Goose
Elegant Parrot
Emu
European Jay
European Shag
Flamingo
Galah
Gentoo Penguin
Golden Bishop Bird
Golden Plover
Gray-breasted Jay
Gray-capped Social Weaver
Gray Heron
Grayling
Great Cormorant
Greater Bird of Paradise
Greater Rhea
Green Sandpiper
Greenshank
Greylag Goose
Griffon Vulture
Guianan c***-of-the-Rock
Guillemot
Herring Gull
Hoary-headed Grebe
Hooded Warbler
House Sparrow
Humboldt Penguin
Ivory Gull
Jackdaw
Kestrel
King Penguin
Kittiwake
Laughing Gull
Laysan Albatross
Least Darter
Lesser Flamingo
Lesser Scaup Duck
Little Blue Heron
Little Egret
Long-tailed Hermit Hummingbird
Mallard
Masked Lovebird
Mealy Amazon Parrot
Mew Gull
Mexican Jay
Musk Duck
Mute Swan
Ocellated Antbird
Ocher-bellied Flycatcher
Orange Bishop Bird
Orange-footed Parakeet
Ornate Lorikeet
Ostrich
Oystercatcher
Peach-faced Lovebird
Pied Flycatcher
Pied Kingfisher
Pigeon (Domestic)
Powerful Owl
Purple Swamphen
Raggiana's Bird of Paradise
Raven
Razorbill
Red-backed Shrike
Red Bishop Bird
Red-faced Lovebird
Redshank
Red-shouldered Widowbird
Regent Bowerbird
Ring-billed Gull
Ring Dove
Rock Dove
Roseate Cockatoo
Roseate Tern
Rose-ringed Parakeet
Ruff
Ruffed Grouse
Sage Grouse
San Blas Jay
Sand Martin
Satin Bowerbird
Scarlet Ibis
Scottish Crossbill
Senegal Parrot
Sharp-tailed Sparrow
Silver Gull
Silvery Grebe
Snow Goose
Steller's Sea Eagle
Superb Lyrebird
Swallow-tailed Manakin
Tasmanian Native Hen
Tree Swallow
Trumpeter Swan
Turkey (Domestic)
Victoria's Riflebird
Wattled Starling
Western Gull
White-fronted Amazon Parrot
White Stork
Wood Duck
Yellow-backed (Chattering) Lorikeet
Yellow-rumped Cacique
Zebra Finch (Domestic)

[edit] Fish
Amazon molly
Blackstripe Topminnow
Bluegill Sunfish
Char
European Bitterling
Green swordtail
Guiana leaffish
Hammerhead
Houting Whitefish
Jewel Fish
Mouthbreeding Fish sp.
Salmon spp.
Southern platyfish
Ten-spined stickleback
Three-spined stickleback

[edit] Other vertebrates
Anole sp.
Appalachian Woodland Salamander
Black-spotted Frog
Broad-headed Skink
Checkered Whiptail Lizard
Chihuahuan Spotted Whiptail Lizard
Common Ameiva
Common Garter Snake
Cuban Green Anole
Desert Grassland Whiptail Lizard
Desert Tortoise
Fence Lizard
Five-lined Skink
Gopher (Pine) Snake
Green Anole
Inagua Curlytail Lizard
Jamaican Giant Anole
Laredo Striped Whiptail Lizard
Largehead Anole
Mountain Dusky Salamander
Mourning Gecko
Plateau Striped Whiptail Lizard
Red Diamond Rattlesnake
Red-tailed Skink
Side-blotched Lizard
Speckled Rattlesnake
Tengger Desert Toad
Water Moccasin
Western Rattlesnake
Western Banded Gecko
Whiptail Lizard spp.
Wood Turtle

[edit] Insects and other invertebrates
Acanthocephalan Worms
Alfalfa Weevil
Australian Parasitic Wasp sp.
Bean Weevil sp.
Bedbug and other Bug spp.
Blister Beetle spp.
Blowfly
Box Crab
Broadwinged Damselfly sp.
Cabbage (Small) White
Checkerspot Butterfly
Clubtail Dragonfly spp.
Cockroach spp.
Common Skimmer Dragonfly spp.
Creeping Water Bug sp.
Digger Bee
Dragonfly spp.
Eastern Giant Ichneumon
Eucalyptus Longhorned Borer
Field Cricket sp.
Fruit Fly spp.
Glasswing Butterfly
Grape Berry Moth
Grape Borer
Green Lacewing
Harvest Spider sp.
Hawaiian Orb-Weaver
Hen Flea
House Fly
Ichneumon Wasp sp.
Incirrate Octopus spp.
Japanese Scarab Beetle
Jumping Spider sp.
Larch Bud Moth
Large Milkweed Bug
Large White
Long-legged Fly spp.
Mazarine Blue
Mediterranean Fruit Fly
Mexican White
Midge sp.
Migratory Locust
Mite sp.
Monarch Butterfly
Narrow-winged Damselfly spp.
Parsnip Leaf Miner
Pomace Fly
Prea
Queen Butterfly
Red Ant sp.
Red Flour Beetle
Reindeer Warble Fly
Rosechafer
Rove Beetle spp.
Scarab Beetle, Melolonthine
Screwworm Fly
Silkworm Moth
Sociable Weaver
Southeastern Blueberry Bee
Southern Green Stink Bug
Southern Masked Chafer
Southern One-Year Canegrub
Spreadwinged Damselfly spp.
Spruce Budworm Moth
Stable Fly sp.
Stag Beetle spp.
Tsetse Fly
Water Boatman Bug
Water Strider spp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anima...sexual_behavior


Even the indian rhino show homosexual qualities?? Did the rhino do this through free will or did god just take the piss??? Did God flaw with this list of animals? Are many of these animals social rejects amonsgt thier own kind because the straight flammingoes say to the gay ones 'God created adam and eve not adam and steve"???

If these animals god created were never meant to be gay, then I wonder how god could be so flawed in much of his natural creation, or maybe it is a biology science conspiracy!!!!

duhhh, *slobber* uhn! big words cant unnerstan *drool*

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." -
-- Mahatma Gandhi


I thought this was adequate to post