theres one question that has always buged me i would like to know is who created god since he was the one who created all of the universe mankind etc who created him where did he come from?

i have asked this b4 to someone i know and well they keep going on about faith but i just wanna know where did he come from?

The answer is a paradoxical one. God just is. he/she/it is eternal and infinite. came from nowhere because there is no-where is doesn't exist, no time it was not because it is eternal.

It came from within human imagination. I'm not going to say 'It doesn't exist, end of' until I get proof, but I don't believe in It.

If i ask who is your ancestor.. most of us can't answer it.. In that case how we able to know more about the first born.. we just beleived our mother and started to beleive that he is our father. In simple we are not good in maintaining records!

If there is a God, he is what Brave_New_World mentioned. Although then again, what do we define as God? Wouldn't an unconscious creator still be "God"?

I personally think it makes more sense to have an infinite reality than to have an infinite God that created the reality. The thing is, we know so little about what we can't see. There are scientists that suspect that in space we have up to 10 dimensions, not just 3. We simply can not understand the other ones. There are theories that space was created by grinding alternate realities. There are so many things we simply can not and will not know or understand. We don't have to know who or what God is, because right now our concerns should be to advance our civilization and make it a better place to live.

I don't think the limited human mind can really and truly grasp the concept of an infinite being with infinite intellect or powers. Therefore we have to impose our own limits of finality on it so we can strive to understand it better..
Personally I'm happy just letting the concept exist on it's own. There really doesn't need to be a creator or beginning to it all for me..
Hell, the confusing implications of just that concept pretty well mirrors the confusion of life, I think..

I agree that the human mind just cannot even imagine the fact of no time, or space. It's just a concept that we don't understand, I even have a hard time trying to think about if there was nothing, just God. It's just something that people cannot think about, its one of those questions that we'll never understand until after we die.

God the FatherWas Made from the love of His Father, and Mother , I call them Grand pa and Granma,and Heavenly Mother was Made from the same love, with some of Fathers spiritual Dna out of the firmament, wich is the collective good, of all the fathers before grand pa, some call granpa Elohime, He was also Enoch in the Bible, come to help Father;s world.



In Nothingness is where God lives.

How does one put greatness into mere words? How can the flavors and smells of our senses get reduced to black and white on paper? Artwork can convey emotions: anger, passion, love, so much more easily but require artistic ability which not all have. Music too, can orgestrate the rise and fall of feelings to its complete spectrum and can be replayed by a person and shared as a copy cat near facsimile, a plagiaristic attempt to communicate what is in one’s heart. But when it is an individual to individual, a custom fit shared personal touching of spirit-to-spirit, and I have only words.
My frustration turn to tears and go unanswered as a Pandora’s box. But what lies just behind them in only understood by me. The force to share goes unanswered. I want to show I am here! Does anyone see the real me? I care, I love, and I hurt when you hurt. I want you to know, I want you to feel the love I have for you. I want you to soar, I want you to fly I want you to feel free of earth bound stuff.
Become one with the universe, free from past hurts. Free from tomorrows worries. To do this without props, to be you. As God can see you. A connection without sight, a feeling without touch, Sweet words of truth with out sound.
In the quite of the mind, in the recesses of the soul where infinity is found. Where there are no walls or stumbling blocks. A soaring place with no time, no cold, just comfort, completeness, wholeness with endless space. Where all the energies of the universe come together in harmony.
To write the words of love or that which you really are. Pure goodness. That is where God is found in all his glory, with no shape or form. Where you have to know the conscious fight of releasing worldly forms and feeling the life force of you here with me connected by one love.
Love is found in the nothingness. No ego attached, no outside influences. When an intended is found there lays completeness. There lies the goal, the point, and the score, there is the connection, and there is where home really is.
Within you, the seed of love germinated one by the other and only in that can the dance of living begin. In the nothingness is found the greatest goal of life. Only in infinite heart can house it. Keep it and set it free.
To lay down ones life to find it. To offer up ones very soul for the chance to find it and give it away, that it is finding it by the giving it away of it, to let it go in order to posses it.

Love Omnaka

*shrug* That's your guess, but nobody really knows who or what God is, or if he even exists, and anyone who claims to know is lying.

Who created God????



A very good storyteller! or con man!



but i also need proof so i wont rule out that God could be real i just dont believe God is?

Or teling the truth.
My bro jesus and quit a few other bros have said they know God were they all lying in your opinion?
Love Omnaka

I know you werent asking me, but I feel compelled to answer. So to answer your question: YES.

And you're either lying or really need to share some of whatever you're smoking.

He's not lying...he's just just telling his perspective on a potential yet inproboble truth.

wow thats a lot of good responses the way i se it is okay there alot of things that are inexplainable but as time goes on there have been scientific discoveries that things exit like ghost etc i guess that why i am more inclined to believe the paranormal side due to the fact that theres more proof that they exist wheres god i truly don't believe he is there. do not believe there have been many a time that i have reach for him and nothing maybe you say my faith wasn't enough etc but the only way i have come to survive in this world is because i have control you know of my destiny so as far i as where dose god come from some one out there had a very good imagination and had alot of people hook into believing in hom that person is one great story teller.

I agree with Brave New World, this is a paradox of a question, if there is a god he has either been here forever, or created himself, and since we cannot know what it is like to not exist, really even if we knew how good was created we wouldnt be able to comprehend what he came from or how it was that what he learned had come to pass, really the only way you will even know the answer to this questin is when you die, if there is a god you can ask him/her/it/them.

The universe is infinite. What can we do in the face of this infinite to change it for worse or better?? INfact what can we do to change it from it's current infinity??? Infinity is always indestructable. It's always infinite and always will be.Ture infinity is even beyond labels such as infinite and finite.
This is what you would call God. At all times and at all places everything is as it should be regardless of our current perception of the universe. You cannot change anything except that which infinity wills to change. The idea is to find infinite within and without and go with the flow of it. Something I must say I havn;t consciously achieved. But again anything I do is the will of the infinite whether I like it or not.
This leaves room for many a person to behave in the most notorious of ways and then say it wasn;t him but the will of infinity. But those people because they lack charity(true definition) and humility will never be fully conscious of it like the gurus, mystics, saints and avatars etc. And so wont be consciously at peace of mind and will either consciously or unconsciously suffer the life of bondage to the illusion of separateness from infinite which is the indentification with the ego.

Any thoughts???

Very interesting philosophy. It reminds me of Hitch-hikers Guide to the Galaxy, when Douglas Adams is listing off some of the demographics for the universe. Mathmatically, the universe has a population average of 0, because any time that you divide a number by infinity, you get a 0.

I like your display name. Brave New World was the book that started me on a very long road of introspection regarding our society today.

HAHAHAHAH cool reply. I didn;t know that with the mathematics!! The philosophy I posted isn;t really mine. It has been preached and prescribed by mystics for thousands of years. If you truly liked Aldous Huxley's Brave new world then you will love his "The Perennial Philosophy." In my view it is the greatest anthology of the 20th century and the 21st century so far. Really was the best book he wrote. Also Island is a mint book which is the opposite to that of Brave new world in the fact that it describes a possible utopia or society(if you dislike the word utopia) in which we can have an economy and enlightenment, the best of both worlds spiritually and materially, eastern philosophy and western.

No one knows...people give theories..thats it just theories...but in reality...no sod knows where God came from....the best answer would be --> he was always just there!!

God has been created by man .... from our imaginations ....

Another thing that the human mind cannot grasp is 'something from nothing'.

The paradox is thus: Atomic structures didn't create themselves. Therefore where did they come from? If God created atomic structures where and how did God originate? These are questions that are unanswerable.

One should not waste an inordinate amount of time on unanswerable questions...it can only lead to mental frustration. There are some things that just cannot be known.

God just Is. Nothing created him because he has always been. Scientifically, it is impossible for something to come from nothing though. Everything has a starting point. So how did the universe begin? God created it. What created God? Here is the beauty of theism. God is outside of time - heck, he created time - as such, one could argue that God is not subject to our physical rules of existence that say something has to come from something.

That's just my opinion.

I said the same thing (more or less) I just believe he was always there...it saves me from picking my brains trying to come up with an answer!!!

To all of you that find yourself asking this question...WHY BOTHER?? what good will it do?? How many brownie points will you get if you come up with an answer?...Is it really worth thinking about?? & if you dont believe there is a God...umm again..WHY BOTHER??

Yes.

And he's not your bro. He's been dead for 2,000 years. Sorry.

Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge....

God is the Alpha and the Omega. He is the first and the last. He has no begining and no end. He always has been and always will be.

Try to picture this...before the vast blackness of space was created there was only white. There was no "when" to this white emptyness because there was no time. Time had not been created yet. You can't say the white was always there because that would imply a sense of time. God is this white.

Don't put too much time and effort into trying to understand it. Our brains cannot fully comprehend such things. Things like no begining. It's like trying to undeerstand 4d. We live in a 3d world. We cannot know what the next d is because it doesn't exist on this d.

When you die you assend from your physical body. In a sense, you become pure energy. When you dont have a solid body then your mind can expand to comprehend the enigma that is God.

Perplexity is just confused knowledge....understanding is the beginning of knowledge. Perplexity is actually the beginning of chaos.

I'm not saying one should refrain from thinking about such things...just the opposite...I am saying that it is futile to dwell on such questions.

QUOTE(joc @ Nov 28 2006, 09:45 PM) *

Another thing that the human mind cannot grasp is 'something from nothing'.

The paradox is thus: Atomic structures didn't create themselves. Therefore where did they come from? If God created atomic structures where and how did God originate? These are questions that are unanswerable.

One should not waste an inordinate amount of time on unanswerable questions...it can only lead to mental frustration. There are some things that just cannot be known.

In other words understand the basics and get down to the buisness of living is that what you mean joc????

Also Who is god would greatly depend on wo is asking it wouldn't you agree????

Something like that...yeah.

Facts we know:
1. We are born.
2. We die.

That is really all we know....the business of living....that is what happens in between. Think about anything ...thinking is good. Dwelling on 'unknowables' intereferes with ....the business of living.

In the end...what is life really all about? How successful we were in finances? How well we understood our religion? What matters ultimately is what we do while we are here to help those around us...family, friends, strangers. That in a nutshell is the basics...and if we don't get the basics...well, that is a sad thing.

Yes Sheri, understand the basics...and get down to the business of living!

Joc i see that as a very valid point...i too think living is the main point and life is over very fast so try and live and have fun...

God, where did he come from.

God is an ideal we accept for all that we see and can not explain to reason why it is so. We think ourselves special because we can think ourselves into being worthy of the insecurity faith we need saving, implies.

We're monkeys, afraid.