When people have an experiance, and there is no proof for it. That does not mean the person is lying, it actually happened.

When i explain scenario, i mean something that was contrived. We all know movie's are contrived by imagination, of either so called real events with proof, or from the imagination itself{the movie not being real itself}. When you make these movie's you often delete or add what you wish, to placate whatever mandates you are constrained by{so called reality} and that system is controlled from source's "outside the makers" of the movie.

The tough part is going to be intergrating the basis of the movie{control}, into the experiance's that form the illusion of the world around you. Before in my writing here, i expressed that scenario's are the illusion of your percieved reality{ an analog that may help you understand what i'm trying to say, is probability theory}

I don't agree with it all, there are some points i touched on that don't mesh with the entire picture. I found a site that touched closer to what i'm trying to convey, anyone who is interested by this should check out <robert@robsworld.org> his theory's are interesting to say the least, and there are copy's of all the discussion and debate that went on about his theory of "no time and motion".

If you should check it out, filter it through all the other theory's of belief's and faith's that are out there, past roberts opinions and expression of it, to the picture he never described past his theory. This is not about a belief or faith, this is about the scenario you actually live in. That movie analog i started with. His explaination of humans being able only to experiance what is percieved as time, in a linier fashion, i also disagree with, though his theory has a progression. It stops and muddles itself at different points in my own thinking, as my own thoughts diverge on those points, into the points of this post.

I'll begin by writing my own response to him, as it makes clearer what i'm trying to convey. Which was often translated into being illogical in it's expression, or the conveying of some sort of hate in my earlier posts at this site, as well as being random, it was neither, of which point i will try to express through this topic, in essence, what was behind it all.

My response to "time and motion". As i wrote it to him, which i never sent.

I was responding to his description and understanding of multidimensions on this one.

[Things from these other dimensions can see, as well as control, what you call people in this one].

The next question i responded to, was his explaination of mutidimensional overlaps.

[I call those overlaps bits and piece's of scenarioverse's that have been spliced together. And you are right, they are not infinite. Whats more, they grow fewer at a progressive rate.{shutting down} The results of which, is what you perceive to be your reality{a patchwork}

You call them, overlapping, simultaneously coexisting, multidimensional universe's. And you are right, time and motion do not exist{and in much the same fashion} only your interpitation i think, may be wrong. Mine are based on what i've managed to put together.]

I begin to explain that in this.

[Linier time does'nt exist either, only through the perception and deception of your experiance's, is the artificial{contrived scenario} experiance of what you call linier time is experianced. You can if fact, shift those experiance's to help reveal the artificial nature of what you call life. Universe. What you percieve to be you.

Very good, your probability tree explains the term that the perception of time moves in all directions. If your awareness becomes itself aware of that{and yes, humans can, or at least some of it} it does not change as you theorize, unless it is changed{edited} delibrately. Compare the rest of your paragraph to an anology of the human mind, and you may find more answers.{not easy one's}]

This next one express's my own experiance i was having{scenario splice's, or overlaps}, as i wrote this response, as each "frame of mind"{so called imagination} dictated.

[ I believe in nothing here, and can brush aside the tools used in this "world" that are used to strengthen the perception of what is believed to be reality{sense's, experiance's}{i.e. religion, and/or scientific "facts" that are all utterly meaningless} as what people percieve to be their world and envirement, does'nt exist. And it not because you think people who believe that have problems{as that is in the introduction of his expressed theory}

What you call dimensions are not the same, though they may be similiar, or not at all. They are the scenarioverse's i was speaking of. They flow in all directions simulaneously as your theory state's. But from your perspective, i see where your coming from.

You can jump from point a1 to point a11111{probability tree}{scenarioverse's} if you've already experianced them all. A poor but usefull desciption would be what was once called an infinity loop{the reason why you speculate that events in all probability's are the same}{they are, set unless "changed"} You can if you've already been through, and your awareness reconizes it. Becuase if it has, it already has the knowledge to do so.]

You do not choose, as all paths{probability's} have been set as you say. All happening at once. You can step outside them if you can, but even those are set{other levels of divergence, scenario's and their lines}{happened before}]

This next was in response to his theory, when he said that you had no control as to what you are in the other scenarioverse's{ dimensions}.

[ Yes there is your identity{you, self} and many do retain their physical form, as it is you. And it is not dependant on the theory's you are speaking about. Those that can't, are considered what you might call plastic.]

This next was because he believe's the node of divergance is what he believe's to be free choice{still trapped in the illusion}

[There not made without choice for some{it used to be the beginning of you becomeing aware, {another level of illusions} they are still plastic, emotional food for the things that control it, nothing but herds. Which is itself an illusion{the current divisions represented within our own illusion of reality, or experiance}{misrepresented as controllers, another snare in this illusion of many snare's, all represented from prior scenario's{spliced in}

Those scenario line's open for those who think they are "awakening". Free will is not defined by choice's, but by your refusal to make them. By your definition of free will, your being aware of these choice's does not constitute being free. It merely keeps you within the herds of plastic's{different experiance's, the illusion of life within the illusion} feeding what drives the various illusions of the different scenarioverse's. Which are themselves an illusion. To make you think it's real.]

This next deals with the illusion itself.

[ You are not self until you escape the illusion of your percieved "reality's" they may seem endless, but in fact are not, as you yourself stated. ]

This had to deal with what he said some people believe the experiance to be.

[Any belief in such entitie's makes you plastic/food for the one's who control the illusions, of which i can only keep repeating, that they are illusions themselve's{reality's}. As all the different choice's you define as free will, keep you in the scenario illusions. The biggest realization, is that none of it is real. That is the beginning of freedom.]

This next and last of my self response's to robert's theory, deals with other topics i was trying to discuss in an irrational manner at this site before, as the current scenario frame and the knowledge and understanding to go with it, was not there.{imagination is an illusion too, all what you perceive to be levels are}

[ The belief in out of body experiance's, or the various realms depicted in all the books on it, is a further and deepening snare for the unwary, the one's who still have'nt become aware, but have noticed the cage of illusion that what is percieved as reality here, is. And another set of probability's within the illusion this all is.]

I wonder if anyone will notice.

In short, all i have wrote here before, stems from my own personal experiance's, which i initially tried to express as they came to me{or as each frame and knowledge and experiance came to past}

I've expressed here before, that at any given moment i am flooded with info from what i call prior scenario's, what is percieved as the same moment in time. As well as having the memory's of those other probability paths. It's not easy, as each thing i see is filled with the emotion as it had happened, in the other scenario{probability}

Most of those experiance's deal with everything discussed at this forum, in whatever context presented, Whatever that context was at the time. What i once reffered to as waking memory flash's pertinaint to me, and the various roles i have played within this patchwork of scenario's, what is percieved as myself, as well as others. Thats why i used to trip, all those memory's. For all that he has touched shall know him, and thats not an expression of delusional grandeur, nor the perverted meaning of it in religion, one of the many tools in all facets of what is called existence here, used to keep you imprisoned. I wonder what book they actually stole that from. I probabley do. But the force that runs this illusion won't let me remember all. Unless it is pertainent to my other selve's, what was one, shall be whole, what was divided shall become one, what is now two shall become one.
I leave that to whoever can see the real meaning of what i'ver been trying to say.

To all who have felt insulted by my prior writings, it was not a personal thing, just what i did at one time or another in different frames of this last illusion, i am almost free. Thanks